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Hi all,

Don't forget to add your MirageOS Hackathon projects here:
http://canopy.mirage.io/Index

Hackathon is next Wednesday 13th July at Darwin College, Cambridge.

Get in touch with Gemma if you would like to attend and have not yet
registered.

Thanks!

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Hi all,

Don't forget to add your MirageOS Hackathon projects here:
http://canopy.mirage.io/Index

Hackathon is next Wednesday 13th July at Darwin College, Cambridge.

Get in touch with Gemma if you would like to attend and have not yet
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On 07/06/2016 01:58 PM, Gemma Gordon wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Don't forget to add your MirageOS Hackathon projects here: 
> http://canopy.mirage.io/Index
>
> Hackathon is next Wednesday 13th July at Darwin College, Cambridge.
>
> Get in touch with Gemma if you would like to attend and have not yet 
> registered.
>
Thanks for all the hard work you've done to organize the hackathon, 
Gemma! :)

-Mindy

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On 07/06/2016 01:58 PM, Gemma Gordon wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Don't forget to add your MirageOS Hackathon projects here: 
> http://canopy.mirage.io/Index
>
> Hackathon is next Wednesday 13th July at Darwin College, Cambridge.
>
> Get in touch with Gemma if you would like to attend and have not yet 
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>
Thanks for all the hard work you've done to organize the hackathon, 
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-Mindy

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            moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://canopy.mirage.io/Index"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://canopy.mirage.io/Index">http://canopy.mirage.io/Index</a></a></div>
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        <div class="gmail_default"
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          registered.</div>
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    Gemma! :)<br>
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Hi all!

Hope you are all ready to hack tomorrow!

*Time*: 9am - 11pm
*Place*: The Old Library, Darwin College. Enter the Porters Lodge, and it's
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Tea, coffee, biscuits and pastries served at 9am
Lunch via servery at 12:30pm
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Punts are available for use between 2pm-5pm :)

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*Time*: 9am - 11pm
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Tea, coffee, biscuits and pastries served at 9am
Lunch via servery at 12:30pm
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On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Thomas Leonard <talex5@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 19 July 2016 at 16:47, Martin Lucina <martin@lucina.net> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > the mirage-solo5 package (i.e. the Solo5 "platform bindings") currently
> > bundle C stubs for unrelated packages which get linked into a
> > libsolo5camlbindings.a.
> >
> > Based on some discussion on Slack and also ongoing in a PR Mindy pointed
> me
> > to (https://github.com/mirage/io-page/pull/34), is the general plan to
> move
> > as much C stubs as possible directly into the packages that actually use
> > them?
>
> Yes. Otherwise, we tend to fix bugs in only one copy, or change the
> signature in only one place (and the typechecker can't help you here,
> because they're C interfaces).
>
> We should certainly do this when we can share the same source C file
> across platforms. Currently the build tooling isn't very good. We have
> a hacky oasis script that gets the Xen cflags. Hopefully this is
> better with topkg, but I haven't tried that.
>
> It's less clear what to do if the code is both platform and package
> specific. In that case we should probably make a separate opam package
> for it and avoid using the linker hack.
>
> > If so, I have a bunch of work ahead of me and will need to postpone
> > releasing Mirage/Solo5 to opam.ocaml.org until this is complete, since
> if I
> > release what we have now then cleaning this up afterwards will be very
> > painful.
> >
> > The following is an inventory of C stubs we've "accumulated" in
> > mirage-solo5 so far:
> >
> > alloc_pages_stubs.c:
> >     caml_alloc_pages(), for io-page even though Solo5 devices do not
> >     *currently* require page-aligned buffers.
> >
> > barrier_stubs.c:
> >     caml_memory_barrier(): Not sure who is the downstream consumer of
> this?
>
> This is used internally by mirage-platform, so I'd expect this to live
> in mirage-platform-solo5.
> Hmm, but it's also used by shared-memory-ring. I think the platform
> should expose an OCaml interface to this.
>

In mirage-platform it looks like it's called by OCaml function
Xenctrl.xen_mb(), but I think this function might be dead. I suspect the
only user is the shared-memory-ring code and we forgot to remove this when
we moved shared-memory-ring out of the platform?


> >     caml_cstruct_unsafe_load_uint32(), caml_cstruct_unsafe_save_uint32():
> >     Presumably consumed by cstruct?
>
> Looks like it's actually shared-memory-ring using it. Odd.
>

IIRC the shared memory ring protocol requires the use of atomic 32-bit
loads and stores, or else bad stuff happens. Cstruct uses ocplib-endian
normally, but the ocplib-endian functions use (used to use?) a series of
byte-sized loads and stores to cope with different possible alignments.
This was not a fun bug to work on :-)


>
> > checksum_stubs.c:
> >     A copy of the checksum stubs from tcpip. Should be built out of that
> >     package.
>
> I think tcpip already builds this. We should remove it from
> mirage-platform now.
>
> > clock_stubs.c:
> >     unix_gettimeofday(), caml_get_monotonic_time(): These are used by (at
> >     least) mirage-clock-xen, which we re-used for Solo5 since it has the
> >     same interfaces.
>
> They're also used by the platform itself:
>
> https://github.com/mirage/mirage-platform/blob/9f1a5db1b3681f4e3b4b747931903d7085cce042/xen/lib/time.ml#L34
>
> > cstruct_stubs.c:
> >     caml_blit_bigstring_to_string(), caml_blit_string_to_bigstring(),
> >     caml_blit_bigstring_to_bigstring(), caml_compare_bigstring(),
> >     caml_fill_bigstring(), caml_check_alignment_bigstring().
> >
> >     Based on the name (came from the original Xen bindings), I presume
> >     these are for cstruct?
>
> Yes, should move to cstruct.
>
> > main.c:
> >     caml_poll(): Used by the Mirage/Solo5 scheduler, this actually
> belongs
> >     here though could go in a better-named file.
> >
> >     caml_get_cmdline(): Belongs in mirage-bootvar-solo5.
> >
> > mm.c:
> >     Unimplemented versions of stub_heap_get_pages_total(),
> >     stub_heap_get_pages_used(). These never get called, not sure who's
> >     supposed to be using them.
>
> OS.MM (in mirage-platform) uses these:
>
>
> https://github.com/mirage/mirage-platform/blob/9f1a5db1b3681f4e3b4b747931903d7085cce042/xen/lib/mM.ml
>
> > solo5_{block,console,net}_stubs.c:
> >     These landed here as a shortcut while we were doing the port, they
> >     belong in the respective mirage-{block,console,net}-solo5 packages.
> >
> > Thoughts? Also any comments / corrections to the above inventory much
> > appreciated.
>

I wonder if we could simplify things a little bit by standardising and
documenting the C-level interface a little more? For example in the Io_page
caml_alloc_pages we've got some #ifdefs to use `_xmalloc` on `__MINIOS__`,
`malloc` (should really be `aligned_malloc`) on `_WIN32` and
`posix_memalign` on the rest. Perhaps minios and solo5 should provide a
`posix_memalign` function?

Cheers,
Dave

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Thomas Leonard <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:talex5@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">talex5@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On 19 J=
uly 2016 at 16:47, Martin Lucina &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin@lucina.net">m=
artin@lucina.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi all,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; the mirage-solo5 package (i.e. the Solo5 &quot;platform bindings&quot;=
) currently<br>
&gt; bundle C stubs for unrelated packages which get linked into a<br>
&gt; libsolo5camlbindings.a.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Based on some discussion on Slack and also ongoing in a PR Mindy point=
ed me<br>
&gt; to (<a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/io-page/pull/34" rel=3D"noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/mirage/io-page/pull/34</a>), is=
 the general plan to move<br>
&gt; as much C stubs as possible directly into the packages that actually u=
se<br>
&gt; them?<br>
<br>
</span>Yes. Otherwise, we tend to fix bugs in only one copy, or change the<=
br>
signature in only one place (and the typechecker can&#39;t help you here,<b=
r>
because they&#39;re C interfaces).<br>
<br>
We should certainly do this when we can share the same source C file<br>
across platforms. Currently the build tooling isn&#39;t very good. We have<=
br>
a hacky oasis script that gets the Xen cflags. Hopefully this is<br>
better with topkg, but I haven&#39;t tried that.<br>
<br>
It&#39;s less clear what to do if the code is both platform and package<br>
specific. In that case we should probably make a separate opam package<br>
for it and avoid using the linker hack.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; If so, I have a bunch of work ahead of me and will need to postpone<br=
>
&gt; releasing Mirage/Solo5 to <a href=3D"http://opam.ocaml.org" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank">opam.ocaml.org</a> until this is complete, since=
 if I<br>
&gt; release what we have now then cleaning this up afterwards will be very=
<br>
&gt; painful.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The following is an inventory of C stubs we&#39;ve &quot;accumulated&q=
uot; in<br>
&gt; mirage-solo5 so far:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; alloc_pages_stubs.c:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0caml_alloc_pages(), for io-page even though Solo5 d=
evices do not<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*currently* require page-aligned buffers.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; barrier_stubs.c:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0caml_memory_barrier(): Not sure who is the downstre=
am consumer of this?<br>
<br>
</span>This is used internally by mirage-platform, so I&#39;d expect this t=
o live<br>
in mirage-platform-solo5.<br>
Hmm, but it&#39;s also used by shared-memory-ring. I think the platform<br>
should expose an OCaml interface to this.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><d=
iv>In mirage-platform it looks like it&#39;s called by OCaml function Xenct=
rl.xen_mb(), but I think this function might be dead. I suspect the only us=
er is the shared-memory-ring code and we forgot to remove this when we move=
d shared-memory-ring out of the platform?</div><div><br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D""><br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0caml_cstruct_unsafe_load_uint32(), caml_cstruct_uns=
afe_save_uint32():<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Presumably consumed by cstruct?<br>
<br>
</span>Looks like it&#39;s actually shared-memory-ring using it. Odd.<br></=
blockquote><div><br></div><div>IIRC the shared memory ring protocol require=
s the use of atomic 32-bit loads and stores, or else bad stuff happens. Cst=
ruct uses ocplib-endian normally, but the ocplib-endian functions use (used=
 to use?) a series of byte-sized loads and stores to cope with different po=
ssible alignments. This was not a fun bug to work on :-)</div><div>=C2=A0</=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; checksum_stubs.c:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0A copy of the checksum stubs from tcpip. Should be =
built out of that<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0package.<br>
<br>
</span>I think tcpip already builds this. We should remove it from mirage-p=
latform now.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; clock_stubs.c:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unix_gettimeofday(), caml_get_monotonic_time(): The=
se are used by (at<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0least) mirage-clock-xen, which we re-used for Solo5=
 since it has the<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0same interfaces.<br>
<br>
</span>They&#39;re also used by the platform itself:<br>
<a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/mirage-platform/blob/9f1a5db1b3681f4e3=
b4b747931903d7085cce042/xen/lib/time.ml#L34" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">https://github.com/mirage/mirage-platform/blob/9f1a5db1b3681f4e3b4b7=
47931903d7085cce042/xen/lib/time.ml#L34</a><br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; cstruct_stubs.c:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0caml_blit_bigstring_to_string(), caml_blit_string_t=
o_bigstring(),<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0caml_blit_bigstring_to_bigstring(), caml_compare_bi=
gstring(),<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0caml_fill_bigstring(), caml_check_alignment_bigstri=
ng().<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Based on the name (came from the original Xen bindi=
ngs), I presume<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0these are for cstruct?<br>
<br>
</span>Yes, should move to cstruct.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; main.c:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0caml_poll(): Used by the Mirage/Solo5 scheduler, th=
is actually belongs<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0here though could go in a better-named file.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0caml_get_cmdline(): Belongs in mirage-bootvar-solo5=
.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; mm.c:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unimplemented versions of stub_heap_get_pages_total=
(),<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0stub_heap_get_pages_used(). These never get called,=
 not sure who&#39;s<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0supposed to be using them.<br>
<br>
</span><a href=3D"http://OS.MM" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">OS.MM<=
/a> (in mirage-platform) uses these:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/mirage-platform/blob/9f1a5db1b3681f4e3=
b4b747931903d7085cce042/xen/lib/mM.ml" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>https://github.com/mirage/mirage-platform/blob/9f1a5db1b3681f4e3b4b7479319=
03d7085cce042/xen/lib/mM.ml</a><br>
<span class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
&gt; solo5_{block,console,net}_stubs.c:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0These landed here as a shortcut while we were doing=
 the port, they<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0belong in the respective mirage-{block,console,net}=
-solo5 packages.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thoughts? Also any comments / corrections to the above inventory much<=
br>
&gt; appreciated.<br></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I wonder if we=
 could simplify things a little bit by standardising and documenting the C-=
level interface a little more? For example in the Io_page caml_alloc_pages =
we&#39;ve got some #ifdefs to use `_xmalloc` on `__MINIOS__`, `malloc` (sho=
uld really be `aligned_malloc`) on `_WIN32` and `posix_memalign` on the res=
t. Perhaps minios and solo5 should provide a `posix_memalign` function?</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Dave</div><div><br></div></div>
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On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Thomas Leonard <talex5@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 19 July 2016 at 16:47, Martin Lucina <martin@lucina.net> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > the mirage-solo5 package (i.e. the Solo5 "platform bindings") currently
> > bundle C stubs for unrelated packages which get linked into a
> > libsolo5camlbindings.a.
> >
> > Based on some discussion on Slack and also ongoing in a PR Mindy pointed
> me
> > to (https://github.com/mirage/io-page/pull/34), is the general plan to
> move
> > as much C stubs as possible directly into the packages that actually use
> > them?
>
> Yes. Otherwise, we tend to fix bugs in only one copy, or change the
> signature in only one place (and the typechecker can't help you here,
> because they're C interfaces).
>
> We should certainly do this when we can share the same source C file
> across platforms. Currently the build tooling isn't very good. We have
> a hacky oasis script that gets the Xen cflags. Hopefully this is
> better with topkg, but I haven't tried that.
>
> It's less clear what to do if the code is both platform and package
> specific. In that case we should probably make a separate opam package
> for it and avoid using the linker hack.
>
> > If so, I have a bunch of work ahead of me and will need to postpone
> > releasing Mirage/Solo5 to opam.ocaml.org until this is complete, since
> if I
> > release what we have now then cleaning this up afterwards will be very
> > painful.
> >
> > The following is an inventory of C stubs we've "accumulated" in
> > mirage-solo5 so far:
> >
> > alloc_pages_stubs.c:
> >     caml_alloc_pages(), for io-page even though Solo5 devices do not
> >     *currently* require page-aligned buffers.
> >
> > barrier_stubs.c:
> >     caml_memory_barrier(): Not sure who is the downstream consumer of
> this?
>
> This is used internally by mirage-platform, so I'd expect this to live
> in mirage-platform-solo5.
> Hmm, but it's also used by shared-memory-ring. I think the platform
> should expose an OCaml interface to this.
>

In mirage-platform it looks like it's called by OCaml function
Xenctrl.xen_mb(), but I think this function might be dead. I suspect the
only user is the shared-memory-ring code and we forgot to remove this when
we moved shared-memory-ring out of the platform?


> >     caml_cstruct_unsafe_load_uint32(), caml_cstruct_unsafe_save_uint32():
> >     Presumably consumed by cstruct?
>
> Looks like it's actually shared-memory-ring using it. Odd.
>

IIRC the shared memory ring protocol requires the use of atomic 32-bit
loads and stores, or else bad stuff happens. Cstruct uses ocplib-endian
normally, but the ocplib-endian functions use (used to use?) a series of
byte-sized loads and stores to cope with different possible alignments.
This was not a fun bug to work on :-)


>
> > checksum_stubs.c:
> >     A copy of the checksum stubs from tcpip. Should be built out of that
> >     package.
>
> I think tcpip already builds this. We should remove it from
> mirage-platform now.
>
> > clock_stubs.c:
> >     unix_gettimeofday(), caml_get_monotonic_time(): These are used by (at
> >     least) mirage-clock-xen, which we re-used for Solo5 since it has the
> >     same interfaces.
>
> They're also used by the platform itself:
>
> https://github.com/mirage/mirage-platform/blob/9f1a5db1b3681f4e3b4b747931903d7085cce042/xen/lib/time.ml#L34
>
> > cstruct_stubs.c:
> >     caml_blit_bigstring_to_string(), caml_blit_string_to_bigstring(),
> >     caml_blit_bigstring_to_bigstring(), caml_compare_bigstring(),
> >     caml_fill_bigstring(), caml_check_alignment_bigstring().
> >
> >     Based on the name (came from the original Xen bindings), I presume
> >     these are for cstruct?
>
> Yes, should move to cstruct.
>
> > main.c:
> >     caml_poll(): Used by the Mirage/Solo5 scheduler, this actually
> belongs
> >     here though could go in a better-named file.
> >
> >     caml_get_cmdline(): Belongs in mirage-bootvar-solo5.
> >
> > mm.c:
> >     Unimplemented versions of stub_heap_get_pages_total(),
> >     stub_heap_get_pages_used(). These never get called, not sure who's
> >     supposed to be using them.
>
> OS.MM (in mirage-platform) uses these:
>
>
> https://github.com/mirage/mirage-platform/blob/9f1a5db1b3681f4e3b4b747931903d7085cce042/xen/lib/mM.ml
>
> > solo5_{block,console,net}_stubs.c:
> >     These landed here as a shortcut while we were doing the port, they
> >     belong in the respective mirage-{block,console,net}-solo5 packages.
> >
> > Thoughts? Also any comments / corrections to the above inventory much
> > appreciated.
>

I wonder if we could simplify things a little bit by standardising and
documenting the C-level interface a little more? For example in the Io_page
caml_alloc_pages we've got some #ifdefs to use `_xmalloc` on `__MINIOS__`,
`malloc` (should really be `aligned_malloc`) on `_WIN32` and
`posix_memalign` on the rest. Perhaps minios and solo5 should provide a
`posix_memalign` function?

Cheers,
Dave

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Thomas Leonard <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:talex5@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">talex5@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On 19 J=
uly 2016 at 16:47, Martin Lucina &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin@lucina.net">m=
artin@lucina.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi all,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; the mirage-solo5 package (i.e. the Solo5 &quot;platform bindings&quot;=
) currently<br>
&gt; bundle C stubs for unrelated packages which get linked into a<br>
&gt; libsolo5camlbindings.a.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Based on some discussion on Slack and also ongoing in a PR Mindy point=
ed me<br>
&gt; to (<a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/io-page/pull/34" rel=3D"noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/mirage/io-page/pull/34</a>), is=
 the general plan to move<br>
&gt; as much C stubs as possible directly into the packages that actually u=
se<br>
&gt; them?<br>
<br>
</span>Yes. Otherwise, we tend to fix bugs in only one copy, or change the<=
br>
signature in only one place (and the typechecker can&#39;t help you here,<b=
r>
because they&#39;re C interfaces).<br>
<br>
We should certainly do this when we can share the same source C file<br>
across platforms. Currently the build tooling isn&#39;t very good. We have<=
br>
a hacky oasis script that gets the Xen cflags. Hopefully this is<br>
better with topkg, but I haven&#39;t tried that.<br>
<br>
It&#39;s less clear what to do if the code is both platform and package<br>
specific. In that case we should probably make a separate opam package<br>
for it and avoid using the linker hack.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; If so, I have a bunch of work ahead of me and will need to postpone<br=
>
&gt; releasing Mirage/Solo5 to <a href=3D"http://opam.ocaml.org" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank">opam.ocaml.org</a> until this is complete, since=
 if I<br>
&gt; release what we have now then cleaning this up afterwards will be very=
<br>
&gt; painful.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The following is an inventory of C stubs we&#39;ve &quot;accumulated&q=
uot; in<br>
&gt; mirage-solo5 so far:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; alloc_pages_stubs.c:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0caml_alloc_pages(), for io-page even though Solo5 d=
evices do not<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*currently* require page-aligned buffers.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; barrier_stubs.c:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0caml_memory_barrier(): Not sure who is the downstre=
am consumer of this?<br>
<br>
</span>This is used internally by mirage-platform, so I&#39;d expect this t=
o live<br>
in mirage-platform-solo5.<br>
Hmm, but it&#39;s also used by shared-memory-ring. I think the platform<br>
should expose an OCaml interface to this.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><d=
iv>In mirage-platform it looks like it&#39;s called by OCaml function Xenct=
rl.xen_mb(), but I think this function might be dead. I suspect the only us=
er is the shared-memory-ring code and we forgot to remove this when we move=
d shared-memory-ring out of the platform?</div><div><br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D""><br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0caml_cstruct_unsafe_load_uint32(), caml_cstruct_uns=
afe_save_uint32():<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Presumably consumed by cstruct?<br>
<br>
</span>Looks like it&#39;s actually shared-memory-ring using it. Odd.<br></=
blockquote><div><br></div><div>IIRC the shared memory ring protocol require=
s the use of atomic 32-bit loads and stores, or else bad stuff happens. Cst=
ruct uses ocplib-endian normally, but the ocplib-endian functions use (used=
 to use?) a series of byte-sized loads and stores to cope with different po=
ssible alignments. This was not a fun bug to work on :-)</div><div>=C2=A0</=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; checksum_stubs.c:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0A copy of the checksum stubs from tcpip. Should be =
built out of that<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0package.<br>
<br>
</span>I think tcpip already builds this. We should remove it from mirage-p=
latform now.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; clock_stubs.c:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unix_gettimeofday(), caml_get_monotonic_time(): The=
se are used by (at<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0least) mirage-clock-xen, which we re-used for Solo5=
 since it has the<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0same interfaces.<br>
<br>
</span>They&#39;re also used by the platform itself:<br>
<a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/mirage-platform/blob/9f1a5db1b3681f4e3=
b4b747931903d7085cce042/xen/lib/time.ml#L34" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">https://github.com/mirage/mirage-platform/blob/9f1a5db1b3681f4e3b4b7=
47931903d7085cce042/xen/lib/time.ml#L34</a><br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; cstruct_stubs.c:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0caml_blit_bigstring_to_string(), caml_blit_string_t=
o_bigstring(),<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0caml_blit_bigstring_to_bigstring(), caml_compare_bi=
gstring(),<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0caml_fill_bigstring(), caml_check_alignment_bigstri=
ng().<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Based on the name (came from the original Xen bindi=
ngs), I presume<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0these are for cstruct?<br>
<br>
</span>Yes, should move to cstruct.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; main.c:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0caml_poll(): Used by the Mirage/Solo5 scheduler, th=
is actually belongs<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0here though could go in a better-named file.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0caml_get_cmdline(): Belongs in mirage-bootvar-solo5=
.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; mm.c:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unimplemented versions of stub_heap_get_pages_total=
(),<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0stub_heap_get_pages_used(). These never get called,=
 not sure who&#39;s<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0supposed to be using them.<br>
<br>
</span><a href=3D"http://OS.MM" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">OS.MM<=
/a> (in mirage-platform) uses these:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/mirage-platform/blob/9f1a5db1b3681f4e3=
b4b747931903d7085cce042/xen/lib/mM.ml" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>https://github.com/mirage/mirage-platform/blob/9f1a5db1b3681f4e3b4b7479319=
03d7085cce042/xen/lib/mM.ml</a><br>
<span class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
&gt; solo5_{block,console,net}_stubs.c:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0These landed here as a shortcut while we were doing=
 the port, they<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0belong in the respective mirage-{block,console,net}=
-solo5 packages.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thoughts? Also any comments / corrections to the above inventory much<=
br>
&gt; appreciated.<br></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I wonder if we=
 could simplify things a little bit by standardising and documenting the C-=
level interface a little more? For example in the Io_page caml_alloc_pages =
we&#39;ve got some #ifdefs to use `_xmalloc` on `__MINIOS__`, `malloc` (sho=
uld really be `aligned_malloc`) on `_WIN32` and `posix_memalign` on the res=
t. Perhaps minios and solo5 should provide a `posix_memalign` function?</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Dave</div><div><br></div></div>
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            add anything you'd like to talk about to the wiki.  See you
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We'll be using IRC again so please join #mirage on Freenode.
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and this session will also be logged at:
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The agenda for the meeting is at:
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Subject: Re: [MirageOS-devel] NTP client integration with MirageOS / Mini-OS
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On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Thomas Leonard <talex5@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 20 July 2016 at 18:10, Hannes Mehnert <hannes@mehnert.org> wrote:
> > Hi Kia,
> >
> > On 20/07/2016 18:54, Kia wrote:
> >> I have a working NTP client written in ocaml and that runs in mirageos.
> I still
> >> need to do cleanup work, write and verify code that properly handles
> leap
> >> second events, write .mli files, and write tests -- but the client code
> works.
> >> I have a unikernel which periodically queries an NTP server to generate
> data
> >> that lets other code in the unikernel convert the current value of
> RDTSC [0] to
> >> an absolute time:
> >>
> >>
> https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/unikernel/unikernel.ml#L58-L63
> >>
> >> The algorithms used to convert timestamped (with RDTSC when they are
> >> sent/received) NTP packets to offset/rate information that can be used
> to
> >> convert the current RDTSC value to a time (or a pair of counter values
> to a
> >> difference of time) are a reimplementation of RADclock's (source at
> >> https://github.com/synclab/radclock), papers at
> http://www.synclab.org/docs/).
> >> RADclock has been extensively tested with months of data (and shown to
> give
> >> accuracy an order of magnitude better than the reference NTP
> implementation in
> >> the same conditions) -- http://www.synclab.org/testbed/ has details
> and my post
> >> https://matildah.github.io/posts/2016-05-23-ntp-status.html concisely
> explains
> >> the advantages of RADclock's feed-forward clock synchronization and its
> >> suitability for a unikernel environment.
> >>
> >>
> >> The user-facing parts of the client code are:
> >> A type representing the current state of the NTP client, "state":
> >>
> https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/types.ml#L196-L202
> >> A function that generates a new NTP query, "new_query":
> >>
> https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L66-L69
> >> A function that updates the current state with the NTP server's reply,
> "add_sample":
> >>
> https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L118-L121
> >> A type that contains current rate/offset estimates, "output":
> >>
> https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/types.ml#L73-L80
> >> A function that takes the current NTP client's state and extracts the
> current rate/offset estimates, "output_of_state":
> >>
> https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L123-L136
> >>
> >> and you can see them called in the demonstration unikernel code at
> >>
> https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/unikernel/unikernel.ml#L51-L63
> >>
> >> The client code can take the value returned by output_of_state and the
> current value of RDTSC
> >> and use
> https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/clocklib/diffabs.ml#L3-L10
> >> to generate an absolute time. (I haven't written the difference time
> function yet).
> >
> > This is great!
> >
> >> I have a few questions about how to properly integrate my client code
> into a
> >> module that can be used like https://github.com/mirage/mirage-clock by
> any
> >> unikernel that needs the time (but doesn't depend on time information
> from
> >> dom0).
> >>
> >> 1. How can I make my NTP client module depend on the mirage RANDOM
> module and
> >> call int32 from it? (The new_query function needs to be able to get some
> >> randomness to put in the packet as a nonce)
> >
> > There are two options here
> >  - if it is code already depending on mirage-types, define a functor (as
> > done e.g. in UDP
> >
> https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/ed6dd67f7ed47acba49c8021546a4b9c38d3359c/lib/udp/udp.ml
> ).
> >  this will then use the MirageOS Random device.
> >  - if the code otherwise does not depend on mirage, depending on which
> > random you need (real or fake), use Nocrypto.Rng.generate 4 (and depend
> > in opam on nocrypto), or Random.int32
> >
> >> 2. Is there way to have a module that starts a background thread (in my
> case,
> >> that queries the NTP server, updates its estimates of time counter
> rate/offset,
> >> and then sleeps until the next poll interval) but also enable other
> threads in
> >> the unikernel to get the current value of a variable in its context?
>
> The CLOCK signature uses
>
>   val time: unit -> float
>
> rather than
>
>   val time: t -> float
>
> for some reason, which makes this difficult. I suggest changing the
> signature to work like the other devices.
>

I agree, it would make an NTP-corrected clock using Kia's work much easier,
and I think it will also simplify writing fake / test clocks.

I worked on this a little bit and added a PCLOCK.t and DEVICE signature to
PCLOCK

see
https://github.com/mattgray/mirage/commit/5b83035c1dcfc7e5aec8e7d9fc46f96f8e57ffc7
https://github.com/mattgray/mirage-clock/commit/b9b225e64b6ff7e9a714d13af65803ea6845a055

It compiles and does the right thing (ie. nothing in connect and
disconnect) but I'm pretty confused around V1_LWT and implementing the
DEVICE signature correctly, so some review / help there would be
appreciated.

Should MCLOCK also implement the DEVICE signature? I think so, for
consistency.


>
> You could use a global variable to hold the current time, but that's
> quite messy.
>
> Starting a background thread is easy enough, but stopping it is
> trickier. Perhaps there should be `listen` and `disconnect` functions
> on CLOCK too. For the current clocks these aren't needed, but for an
> NTP clock it would be useful.
>
> > There is atm no such way AFAIK.  In the mirage tool there is hardcoded
> > some code to start entropy harvesting, and there is the mirage-logs
> > which is started "magically" (but wasn't the mirage-logs integration
> > done in a more general way)?
>
> Logging had to be magical because:
>
> 1. We need to start it before everything else, except things it depends on.
> 2. Things use logging without explicitly depending on it.
> 3. We wanted logging to be enabled by default even in unikernels that
> don't explicitly request logging.
>
> I don't think these apply to time. Components that want time should
> ask for it explicitly.
>
> >> Failing that, what way can I have a background thread that continually
> runs and
> >> always makes available the latest calculated value of "output" to other
> threads
> >> (so they can compute the current time based on the current RDTSC value)?
> >>
> >> Morally, my NTP client thread needs to let other threads have access to
> its
> >> latest rate/offset information so they can calculate the current time
> (much how
> >> Xen makes available vcpu_time_info in a shared page), but I do not know
> how
> >> to set this up in mirage.
> >
> > At the moment, mirage-clock-unix/xen provide the CLOCK (soon PCLOCK)
> > interface.  The NTP client should implement the same interface, and as a
> > user I'd like to use this and pass it on to other CLOCK consumers.
> >
> > This reminds me of the hardcoded tcpip.arpv4 stuff inside the mirage
> > tool.  Maybe we should re-think the code stubs in there now that we have
> > multiple implementation of core interfaces?  Maybe stackv4 etc. should
> > receive optional parameters for arp/clock/... (a brief look into
> > lib/mirage.ml shows that they already do!?! (maybe I just have to try
> > this out))?
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On W=
ed, Jul 20, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Thomas Leonard <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:talex5@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">talex5@gmail.com</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(=
204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail-HOEnZb"><div class=3D"gm=
ail-h5">On 20 July 2016 at 18:10, Hannes Mehnert &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hann=
es@mehnert.org">hannes@mehnert.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi Kia,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 20/07/2016 18:54, Kia wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; I have a working NTP client written in ocaml and that runs in mira=
geos. I still<br>
&gt;&gt; need to do cleanup work, write and verify code that properly handl=
es leap<br>
&gt;&gt; second events, write .mli files, and write tests -- but the client=
 code works.<br>
&gt;&gt; I have a unikernel which periodically queries an NTP server to gen=
erate data<br>
&gt;&gt; that lets other code in the unikernel convert the current value of=
 RDTSC [0] to<br>
&gt;&gt; an absolute time:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc2=
0bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/unikernel/unikernel.ml#L58-L63" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d0=
5cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/unikernel/unikernel.ml#L58-L63</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; The algorithms used to convert timestamped (with RDTSC when they a=
re<br>
&gt;&gt; sent/received) NTP packets to offset/rate information that can be =
used to<br>
&gt;&gt; convert the current RDTSC value to a time (or a pair of counter va=
lues to a<br>
&gt;&gt; difference of time) are a reimplementation of RADclock&#39;s (sour=
ce at<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/synclab/radclock" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
 target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/synclab/radclock</a>), papers at <a h=
ref=3D"http://www.synclab.org/docs/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttp://www.synclab.org/docs/</a>).<br>
&gt;&gt; RADclock has been extensively tested with months of data (and show=
n to give<br>
&gt;&gt; accuracy an order of magnitude better than the reference NTP imple=
mentation in<br>
&gt;&gt; the same conditions) -- <a href=3D"http://www.synclab.org/testbed/=
" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.synclab.org/testbed/</a> =
has details and my post<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://matildah.github.io/posts/2016-05-23-ntp-status.=
html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://matildah.github.io/posts=
/2016-05-23-ntp-status.html</a> concisely explains<br>
&gt;&gt; the advantages of RADclock&#39;s feed-forward clock synchronizatio=
n and its<br>
&gt;&gt; suitability for a unikernel environment.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; The user-facing parts of the client code are:<br>
&gt;&gt; A type representing the current state of the NTP client, &quot;sta=
te&quot;:<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc2=
0bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/types.ml#L196-L202" rel=3D"norefer=
rer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05=
cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/types.ml#L196-L202</a><br>
&gt;&gt; A function that generates a new NTP query, &quot;new_query&quot;:<=
br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc2=
0bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L66-L69" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06=
d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L66-L69</a><br=
>
&gt;&gt; A function that updates the current state with the NTP server&#39;=
s reply, &quot;add_sample&quot;:<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc2=
0bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L118-L121" rel=3D"no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d=
06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L118-L121</a=
><br>
&gt;&gt; A type that contains current rate/offset estimates, &quot;output&q=
uot;:<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc2=
0bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/types.ml#L73-L80" rel=3D"noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc=
20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/types.ml#L73-L80</a><br>
&gt;&gt; A function that takes the current NTP client&#39;s state and extra=
cts the current rate/offset estimates, &quot;output_of_state&quot;:<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc2=
0bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L123-L136" rel=3D"no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d=
06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L123-L136</a=
><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; and you can see them called in the demonstration unikernel code at=
<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc2=
0bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/unikernel/unikernel.ml#L51-L63" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d0=
5cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/unikernel/unikernel.ml#L51-L63</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; The client code can take the value returned by output_of_state and=
 the current value of RDTSC<br>
&gt;&gt; and use <a href=3D"https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d=
06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/clocklib/diffabs.ml#L3-L10" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/bl=
ob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/clocklib/diffabs.ml#L3-L10<=
/a><br>
&gt;&gt; to generate an absolute time. (I haven&#39;t written the differenc=
e time function yet).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This is great!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I have a few questions about how to properly integrate my client c=
ode into a<br>
&gt;&gt; module that can be used like <a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/=
mirage-clock" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/mirag=
e/mirage-clock</a> by any<br>
&gt;&gt; unikernel that needs the time (but doesn&#39;t depend on time info=
rmation from<br>
&gt;&gt; dom0).<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; 1. How can I make my NTP client module depend on the mirage RANDOM=
 module and<br>
&gt;&gt; call int32 from it? (The new_query function needs to be able to ge=
t some<br>
&gt;&gt; randomness to put in the packet as a nonce)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; There are two options here<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 - if it is code already depending on mirage-types, define a func=
tor (as<br>
&gt; done e.g. in UDP<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/ed6dd67f7ed47ac=
ba49c8021546a4b9c38d3359c/lib/udp/udp.ml" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_bla=
nk">https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/ed6dd67f7ed47acba49c8021546=
a4b9c38d3359c/lib/udp/udp.ml</a>).<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 this will then use the MirageOS Random device.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 - if the code otherwise does not depend on mirage, depending on =
which<br>
&gt; random you need (real or fake), use Nocrypto.Rng.generate 4 (and depen=
d<br>
&gt; in opam on nocrypto), or Random.int32<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; 2. Is there way to have a module that starts a background thread (=
in my case,<br>
&gt;&gt; that queries the NTP server, updates its estimates of time counter=
 rate/offset,<br>
&gt;&gt; and then sleeps until the next poll interval) but also enable othe=
r threads in<br>
&gt;&gt; the unikernel to get the current value of a variable in its contex=
t?<br>
<br>
</div></div>The CLOCK signature uses<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 val time: unit -&gt; float<br>
<br>
rather than<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 val time: t -&gt; float<br>
<br>
for some reason, which makes this difficult. I suggest changing the<br>
signature to work like the other devices.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><d=
iv>I agree, it would make an NTP-corrected clock using Kia&#39;s work much =
easier, and I think it will also simplify writing fake / test clocks.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>I worked on this a little bit and added a PCLOCK.t and =
DEVICE signature to PCLOCK</div><div><br></div><div>see</div><div><a href=
=3D"https://github.com/mattgray/mirage/commit/5b83035c1dcfc7e5aec8e7d9fc46f=
96f8e57ffc7">https://github.com/mattgray/mirage/commit/5b83035c1dcfc7e5aec8=
e7d9fc46f96f8e57ffc7</a><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://github.com/mattgr=
ay/mirage-clock/commit/b9b225e64b6ff7e9a714d13af65803ea6845a055">https://gi=
thub.com/mattgray/mirage-clock/commit/b9b225e64b6ff7e9a714d13af65803ea6845a=
055</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>It compiles and does the right thing (=
ie. nothing in connect and disconnect) but I&#39;m pretty confused around V=
1_LWT and implementing the DEVICE signature correctly, so some review / hel=
p there would be appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div>Should MCLOCK also i=
mplement the DEVICE signature? I think so, for consistency.</div><div>=C2=
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
You could use a global variable to hold the current time, but that&#39;s<br=
>
quite messy.<br>
<br>
Starting a background thread is easy enough, but stopping it is<br>
trickier. Perhaps there should be `listen` and `disconnect` functions<br>
on CLOCK too. For the current clocks these aren&#39;t needed, but for an<br=
>
NTP clock it would be useful.<br>
<span class=3D"gmail-"><br>
&gt; There is atm no such way AFAIK.=C2=A0 In the mirage tool there is hard=
coded<br>
&gt; some code to start entropy harvesting, and there is the mirage-logs<br=
>
&gt; which is started &quot;magically&quot; (but wasn&#39;t the mirage-logs=
 integration<br>
&gt; done in a more general way)?<br>
<br>
</span>Logging had to be magical because:<br>
<br>
1. We need to start it before everything else, except things it depends on.=
<br>
2. Things use logging without explicitly depending on it.<br>
3. We wanted logging to be enabled by default even in unikernels that<br>
don&#39;t explicitly request logging.<br>
<br>
I don&#39;t think these apply to time. Components that want time should<br>
ask for it explicitly.<br>
<span class=3D"gmail-im gmail-HOEnZb"><br>
&gt;&gt; Failing that, what way can I have a background thread that continu=
ally runs and<br>
&gt;&gt; always makes available the latest calculated value of &quot;output=
&quot; to other threads<br>
&gt;&gt; (so they can compute the current time based on the current RDTSC v=
alue)?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Morally, my NTP client thread needs to let other threads have acce=
ss to its<br>
&gt;&gt; latest rate/offset information so they can calculate the current t=
ime (much how<br>
&gt;&gt; Xen makes available vcpu_time_info in a shared page), but I do not=
 know how<br>
&gt;&gt; to set this up in mirage.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; At the moment, mirage-clock-unix/xen provide the CLOCK (soon PCLOCK)<b=
r>
&gt; interface.=C2=A0 The NTP client should implement the same interface, a=
nd as a<br>
&gt; user I&#39;d like to use this and pass it on to other CLOCK consumers.=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This reminds me of the hardcoded tcpip.arpv4 stuff inside the mirage<b=
r>
&gt; tool.=C2=A0 Maybe we should re-think the code stubs in there now that =
we have<br>
&gt; multiple implementation of core interfaces?=C2=A0 Maybe stackv4 etc. s=
hould<br>
&gt; receive optional parameters for arp/clock/... (a brief look into<br>
&gt; lib/<a href=3D"http://mirage.ml" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">=
mirage.ml</a> shows that they already do!?! (maybe I just have to try<br>
&gt; this out))?<br>
<br>
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On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Thomas Leonard <talex5@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 20 July 2016 at 18:10, Hannes Mehnert <hannes@mehnert.org> wrote:
> > Hi Kia,
> >
> > On 20/07/2016 18:54, Kia wrote:
> >> I have a working NTP client written in ocaml and that runs in mirageos.
> I still
> >> need to do cleanup work, write and verify code that properly handles
> leap
> >> second events, write .mli files, and write tests -- but the client code
> works.
> >> I have a unikernel which periodically queries an NTP server to generate
> data
> >> that lets other code in the unikernel convert the current value of
> RDTSC [0] to
> >> an absolute time:
> >>
> >>
> https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/unikernel/unikernel.ml#L58-L63
> >>
> >> The algorithms used to convert timestamped (with RDTSC when they are
> >> sent/received) NTP packets to offset/rate information that can be used
> to
> >> convert the current RDTSC value to a time (or a pair of counter values
> to a
> >> difference of time) are a reimplementation of RADclock's (source at
> >> https://github.com/synclab/radclock), papers at
> http://www.synclab.org/docs/).
> >> RADclock has been extensively tested with months of data (and shown to
> give
> >> accuracy an order of magnitude better than the reference NTP
> implementation in
> >> the same conditions) -- http://www.synclab.org/testbed/ has details
> and my post
> >> https://matildah.github.io/posts/2016-05-23-ntp-status.html concisely
> explains
> >> the advantages of RADclock's feed-forward clock synchronization and its
> >> suitability for a unikernel environment.
> >>
> >>
> >> The user-facing parts of the client code are:
> >> A type representing the current state of the NTP client, "state":
> >>
> https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/types.ml#L196-L202
> >> A function that generates a new NTP query, "new_query":
> >>
> https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L66-L69
> >> A function that updates the current state with the NTP server's reply,
> "add_sample":
> >>
> https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L118-L121
> >> A type that contains current rate/offset estimates, "output":
> >>
> https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/types.ml#L73-L80
> >> A function that takes the current NTP client's state and extracts the
> current rate/offset estimates, "output_of_state":
> >>
> https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L123-L136
> >>
> >> and you can see them called in the demonstration unikernel code at
> >>
> https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/unikernel/unikernel.ml#L51-L63
> >>
> >> The client code can take the value returned by output_of_state and the
> current value of RDTSC
> >> and use
> https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/clocklib/diffabs.ml#L3-L10
> >> to generate an absolute time. (I haven't written the difference time
> function yet).
> >
> > This is great!
> >
> >> I have a few questions about how to properly integrate my client code
> into a
> >> module that can be used like https://github.com/mirage/mirage-clock by
> any
> >> unikernel that needs the time (but doesn't depend on time information
> from
> >> dom0).
> >>
> >> 1. How can I make my NTP client module depend on the mirage RANDOM
> module and
> >> call int32 from it? (The new_query function needs to be able to get some
> >> randomness to put in the packet as a nonce)
> >
> > There are two options here
> >  - if it is code already depending on mirage-types, define a functor (as
> > done e.g. in UDP
> >
> https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/ed6dd67f7ed47acba49c8021546a4b9c38d3359c/lib/udp/udp.ml
> ).
> >  this will then use the MirageOS Random device.
> >  - if the code otherwise does not depend on mirage, depending on which
> > random you need (real or fake), use Nocrypto.Rng.generate 4 (and depend
> > in opam on nocrypto), or Random.int32
> >
> >> 2. Is there way to have a module that starts a background thread (in my
> case,
> >> that queries the NTP server, updates its estimates of time counter
> rate/offset,
> >> and then sleeps until the next poll interval) but also enable other
> threads in
> >> the unikernel to get the current value of a variable in its context?
>
> The CLOCK signature uses
>
>   val time: unit -> float
>
> rather than
>
>   val time: t -> float
>
> for some reason, which makes this difficult. I suggest changing the
> signature to work like the other devices.
>

I agree, it would make an NTP-corrected clock using Kia's work much easier,
and I think it will also simplify writing fake / test clocks.

I worked on this a little bit and added a PCLOCK.t and DEVICE signature to
PCLOCK

see
https://github.com/mattgray/mirage/commit/5b83035c1dcfc7e5aec8e7d9fc46f96f8e57ffc7
https://github.com/mattgray/mirage-clock/commit/b9b225e64b6ff7e9a714d13af65803ea6845a055

It compiles and does the right thing (ie. nothing in connect and
disconnect) but I'm pretty confused around V1_LWT and implementing the
DEVICE signature correctly, so some review / help there would be
appreciated.

Should MCLOCK also implement the DEVICE signature? I think so, for
consistency.


>
> You could use a global variable to hold the current time, but that's
> quite messy.
>
> Starting a background thread is easy enough, but stopping it is
> trickier. Perhaps there should be `listen` and `disconnect` functions
> on CLOCK too. For the current clocks these aren't needed, but for an
> NTP clock it would be useful.
>
> > There is atm no such way AFAIK.  In the mirage tool there is hardcoded
> > some code to start entropy harvesting, and there is the mirage-logs
> > which is started "magically" (but wasn't the mirage-logs integration
> > done in a more general way)?
>
> Logging had to be magical because:
>
> 1. We need to start it before everything else, except things it depends on.
> 2. Things use logging without explicitly depending on it.
> 3. We wanted logging to be enabled by default even in unikernels that
> don't explicitly request logging.
>
> I don't think these apply to time. Components that want time should
> ask for it explicitly.
>
> >> Failing that, what way can I have a background thread that continually
> runs and
> >> always makes available the latest calculated value of "output" to other
> threads
> >> (so they can compute the current time based on the current RDTSC value)?
> >>
> >> Morally, my NTP client thread needs to let other threads have access to
> its
> >> latest rate/offset information so they can calculate the current time
> (much how
> >> Xen makes available vcpu_time_info in a shared page), but I do not know
> how
> >> to set this up in mirage.
> >
> > At the moment, mirage-clock-unix/xen provide the CLOCK (soon PCLOCK)
> > interface.  The NTP client should implement the same interface, and as a
> > user I'd like to use this and pass it on to other CLOCK consumers.
> >
> > This reminds me of the hardcoded tcpip.arpv4 stuff inside the mirage
> > tool.  Maybe we should re-think the code stubs in there now that we have
> > multiple implementation of core interfaces?  Maybe stackv4 etc. should
> > receive optional parameters for arp/clock/... (a brief look into
> > lib/mirage.ml shows that they already do!?! (maybe I just have to try
> > this out))?
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On W=
ed, Jul 20, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Thomas Leonard <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:talex5@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">talex5@gmail.com</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(=
204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail-HOEnZb"><div class=3D"gm=
ail-h5">On 20 July 2016 at 18:10, Hannes Mehnert &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hann=
es@mehnert.org">hannes@mehnert.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi Kia,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 20/07/2016 18:54, Kia wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; I have a working NTP client written in ocaml and that runs in mira=
geos. I still<br>
&gt;&gt; need to do cleanup work, write and verify code that properly handl=
es leap<br>
&gt;&gt; second events, write .mli files, and write tests -- but the client=
 code works.<br>
&gt;&gt; I have a unikernel which periodically queries an NTP server to gen=
erate data<br>
&gt;&gt; that lets other code in the unikernel convert the current value of=
 RDTSC [0] to<br>
&gt;&gt; an absolute time:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc2=
0bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/unikernel/unikernel.ml#L58-L63" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d0=
5cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/unikernel/unikernel.ml#L58-L63</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; The algorithms used to convert timestamped (with RDTSC when they a=
re<br>
&gt;&gt; sent/received) NTP packets to offset/rate information that can be =
used to<br>
&gt;&gt; convert the current RDTSC value to a time (or a pair of counter va=
lues to a<br>
&gt;&gt; difference of time) are a reimplementation of RADclock&#39;s (sour=
ce at<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/synclab/radclock" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
 target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/synclab/radclock</a>), papers at <a h=
ref=3D"http://www.synclab.org/docs/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttp://www.synclab.org/docs/</a>).<br>
&gt;&gt; RADclock has been extensively tested with months of data (and show=
n to give<br>
&gt;&gt; accuracy an order of magnitude better than the reference NTP imple=
mentation in<br>
&gt;&gt; the same conditions) -- <a href=3D"http://www.synclab.org/testbed/=
" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.synclab.org/testbed/</a> =
has details and my post<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://matildah.github.io/posts/2016-05-23-ntp-status.=
html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://matildah.github.io/posts=
/2016-05-23-ntp-status.html</a> concisely explains<br>
&gt;&gt; the advantages of RADclock&#39;s feed-forward clock synchronizatio=
n and its<br>
&gt;&gt; suitability for a unikernel environment.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; The user-facing parts of the client code are:<br>
&gt;&gt; A type representing the current state of the NTP client, &quot;sta=
te&quot;:<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc2=
0bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/types.ml#L196-L202" rel=3D"norefer=
rer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05=
cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/types.ml#L196-L202</a><br>
&gt;&gt; A function that generates a new NTP query, &quot;new_query&quot;:<=
br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc2=
0bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L66-L69" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06=
d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L66-L69</a><br=
>
&gt;&gt; A function that updates the current state with the NTP server&#39;=
s reply, &quot;add_sample&quot;:<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc2=
0bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L118-L121" rel=3D"no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d=
06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L118-L121</a=
><br>
&gt;&gt; A type that contains current rate/offset estimates, &quot;output&q=
uot;:<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc2=
0bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/types.ml#L73-L80" rel=3D"noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc=
20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/types.ml#L73-L80</a><br>
&gt;&gt; A function that takes the current NTP client&#39;s state and extra=
cts the current rate/offset estimates, &quot;output_of_state&quot;:<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc2=
0bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L123-L136" rel=3D"no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d=
06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/client/ntp_client.ml#L123-L136</a=
><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; and you can see them called in the demonstration unikernel code at=
<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d05cc2=
0bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/unikernel/unikernel.ml#L51-L63" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d06d0=
5cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/unikernel/unikernel.ml#L51-L63</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; The client code can take the value returned by output_of_state and=
 the current value of RDTSC<br>
&gt;&gt; and use <a href=3D"https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/blob/a5d=
06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/clocklib/diffabs.ml#L3-L10" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/matildah/mirage-ntp/bl=
ob/a5d06d05cc20bb9af680238437aeea5835fc54fa/lib/clocklib/diffabs.ml#L3-L10<=
/a><br>
&gt;&gt; to generate an absolute time. (I haven&#39;t written the differenc=
e time function yet).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This is great!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I have a few questions about how to properly integrate my client c=
ode into a<br>
&gt;&gt; module that can be used like <a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/=
mirage-clock" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/mirag=
e/mirage-clock</a> by any<br>
&gt;&gt; unikernel that needs the time (but doesn&#39;t depend on time info=
rmation from<br>
&gt;&gt; dom0).<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; 1. How can I make my NTP client module depend on the mirage RANDOM=
 module and<br>
&gt;&gt; call int32 from it? (The new_query function needs to be able to ge=
t some<br>
&gt;&gt; randomness to put in the packet as a nonce)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; There are two options here<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 - if it is code already depending on mirage-types, define a func=
tor (as<br>
&gt; done e.g. in UDP<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/ed6dd67f7ed47ac=
ba49c8021546a4b9c38d3359c/lib/udp/udp.ml" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_bla=
nk">https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/ed6dd67f7ed47acba49c8021546=
a4b9c38d3359c/lib/udp/udp.ml</a>).<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 this will then use the MirageOS Random device.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 - if the code otherwise does not depend on mirage, depending on =
which<br>
&gt; random you need (real or fake), use Nocrypto.Rng.generate 4 (and depen=
d<br>
&gt; in opam on nocrypto), or Random.int32<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; 2. Is there way to have a module that starts a background thread (=
in my case,<br>
&gt;&gt; that queries the NTP server, updates its estimates of time counter=
 rate/offset,<br>
&gt;&gt; and then sleeps until the next poll interval) but also enable othe=
r threads in<br>
&gt;&gt; the unikernel to get the current value of a variable in its contex=
t?<br>
<br>
</div></div>The CLOCK signature uses<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 val time: unit -&gt; float<br>
<br>
rather than<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 val time: t -&gt; float<br>
<br>
for some reason, which makes this difficult. I suggest changing the<br>
signature to work like the other devices.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><d=
iv>I agree, it would make an NTP-corrected clock using Kia&#39;s work much =
easier, and I think it will also simplify writing fake / test clocks.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>I worked on this a little bit and added a PCLOCK.t and =
DEVICE signature to PCLOCK</div><div><br></div><div>see</div><div><a href=
=3D"https://github.com/mattgray/mirage/commit/5b83035c1dcfc7e5aec8e7d9fc46f=
96f8e57ffc7">https://github.com/mattgray/mirage/commit/5b83035c1dcfc7e5aec8=
e7d9fc46f96f8e57ffc7</a><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://github.com/mattgr=
ay/mirage-clock/commit/b9b225e64b6ff7e9a714d13af65803ea6845a055">https://gi=
thub.com/mattgray/mirage-clock/commit/b9b225e64b6ff7e9a714d13af65803ea6845a=
055</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>It compiles and does the right thing (=
ie. nothing in connect and disconnect) but I&#39;m pretty confused around V=
1_LWT and implementing the DEVICE signature correctly, so some review / hel=
p there would be appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div>Should MCLOCK also i=
mplement the DEVICE signature? I think so, for consistency.</div><div>=C2=
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
You could use a global variable to hold the current time, but that&#39;s<br=
>
quite messy.<br>
<br>
Starting a background thread is easy enough, but stopping it is<br>
trickier. Perhaps there should be `listen` and `disconnect` functions<br>
on CLOCK too. For the current clocks these aren&#39;t needed, but for an<br=
>
NTP clock it would be useful.<br>
<span class=3D"gmail-"><br>
&gt; There is atm no such way AFAIK.=C2=A0 In the mirage tool there is hard=
coded<br>
&gt; some code to start entropy harvesting, and there is the mirage-logs<br=
>
&gt; which is started &quot;magically&quot; (but wasn&#39;t the mirage-logs=
 integration<br>
&gt; done in a more general way)?<br>
<br>
</span>Logging had to be magical because:<br>
<br>
1. We need to start it before everything else, except things it depends on.=
<br>
2. Things use logging without explicitly depending on it.<br>
3. We wanted logging to be enabled by default even in unikernels that<br>
don&#39;t explicitly request logging.<br>
<br>
I don&#39;t think these apply to time. Components that want time should<br>
ask for it explicitly.<br>
<span class=3D"gmail-im gmail-HOEnZb"><br>
&gt;&gt; Failing that, what way can I have a background thread that continu=
ally runs and<br>
&gt;&gt; always makes available the latest calculated value of &quot;output=
&quot; to other threads<br>
&gt;&gt; (so they can compute the current time based on the current RDTSC v=
alue)?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Morally, my NTP client thread needs to let other threads have acce=
ss to its<br>
&gt;&gt; latest rate/offset information so they can calculate the current t=
ime (much how<br>
&gt;&gt; Xen makes available vcpu_time_info in a shared page), but I do not=
 know how<br>
&gt;&gt; to set this up in mirage.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; At the moment, mirage-clock-unix/xen provide the CLOCK (soon PCLOCK)<b=
r>
&gt; interface.=C2=A0 The NTP client should implement the same interface, a=
nd as a<br>
&gt; user I&#39;d like to use this and pass it on to other CLOCK consumers.=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This reminds me of the hardcoded tcpip.arpv4 stuff inside the mirage<b=
r>
&gt; tool.=C2=A0 Maybe we should re-think the code stubs in there now that =
we have<br>
&gt; multiple implementation of core interfaces?=C2=A0 Maybe stackv4 etc. s=
hould<br>
&gt; receive optional parameters for arp/clock/... (a brief look into<br>
&gt; lib/<a href=3D"http://mirage.ml" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">=
mirage.ml</a> shows that they already do!?! (maybe I just have to try<br>
&gt; this out))?<br>
<br>
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Hi all,

We'll be using IRC again so please join #mirage on Freenode.
IRC logs from the last session are currently up at:
http://canopy.mirage.io/irclogs/20-04-2016

and this session will also be logged at:
http://canopy.mirage.io/irclogs

The agenda for the meeting is at:
https://github.com/mirage/mirage-www/wiki/Call-Agenda

Please read over the agenda and add anything you'd like to talk about to
the wiki.  See you later :)

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Hi all,

We'll be using IRC again so please join #mirage on Freenode.
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http://canopy.mirage.io/irclogs/20-04-2016

and this session will also be logged at:
http://canopy.mirage.io/irclogs

The agenda for the meeting is at:
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Please read over the agenda and add anything you'd like to talk about to
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On 07/27/2016 02:05 PM, Matthew Gray wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Thomas Leonard <talex5@gmail.com 
> <mailto:talex5@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     The CLOCK signature uses
>
>       val time: unit -> float
>
>     rather than
>
>       val time: t -> float
>
>     for some reason, which makes this difficult. I suggest changing the
>     signature to work like the other devices.
>
>
> I agree, it would make an NTP-corrected clock using Kia's work much 
> easier, and I think it will also simplify writing fake / test clocks.
>
> I worked on this a little bit and added a PCLOCK.t and DEVICE 
> signature to PCLOCK
>
> see
> https://github.com/mattgray/mirage/commit/5b83035c1dcfc7e5aec8e7d9fc46f96f8e57ffc7
> https://github.com/mattgray/mirage-clock/commit/b9b225e64b6ff7e9a714d13af65803ea6845a055
>
> It compiles and does the right thing (ie. nothing in connect and 
> disconnect) but I'm pretty confused around V1_LWT and implementing the 
> DEVICE signature correctly, so some review / help there would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Should MCLOCK also implement the DEVICE signature? I think so, for 
> consistency.

Making PCLOCK be a device looks completely reasonable to me, and I see 
no reason not to make MCLOCK be one as well.  Thoughts?

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    <p>On 07/27/2016 02:05 PM, Matthew Gray wrote:<br>
    </p>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAMcK7joEY7c96Cyn9RHRODzxqP5A_4Wuivq5bDDR764oaCNVtQ@mail.gmail.com"
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 6:31 PM,
            Thomas Leonard <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:talex5@gmail.com"
                target="_blank">talex5@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div class="gmail-HOEnZb">
                <div class="gmail-h5">
                  <br>
                </div>
              </div>
              The CLOCK signature uses<br>
              <br>
                val time: unit -&gt; float<br>
              <br>
              rather than<br>
              <br>
                val time: t -&gt; float<br>
              <br>
              for some reason, which makes this difficult. I suggest
              changing the<br>
              signature to work like the other devices.<br>
            </blockquote>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>I agree, it would make an NTP-corrected clock using
              Kia's work much easier, and I think it will also simplify
              writing fake / test clocks.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>I worked on this a little bit and added a PCLOCK.t and
              DEVICE signature to PCLOCK</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>see</div>
            <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/mattgray/mirage/commit/5b83035c1dcfc7e5aec8e7d9fc46f96f8e57ffc7">https://github.com/mattgray/mirage/commit/5b83035c1dcfc7e5aec8e7d9fc46f96f8e57ffc7</a><br>
            </div>
            <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/mattgray/mirage-clock/commit/b9b225e64b6ff7e9a714d13af65803ea6845a055">https://github.com/mattgray/mirage-clock/commit/b9b225e64b6ff7e9a714d13af65803ea6845a055</a><br>
            </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>It compiles and does the right thing (ie. nothing in
              connect and disconnect) but I'm pretty confused around
              V1_LWT and implementing the DEVICE signature correctly, so
              some review / help there would be appreciated.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Should MCLOCK also implement the DEVICE signature? I
              think so, for consistency.<br>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Making PCLOCK be a device looks completely reasonable to me, and I
    see no reason not to make MCLOCK be one as well.  Thoughts?<br>
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On 07/27/2016 02:05 PM, Matthew Gray wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Thomas Leonard <talex5@gmail.com 
> <mailto:talex5@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     The CLOCK signature uses
>
>       val time: unit -> float
>
>     rather than
>
>       val time: t -> float
>
>     for some reason, which makes this difficult. I suggest changing the
>     signature to work like the other devices.
>
>
> I agree, it would make an NTP-corrected clock using Kia's work much 
> easier, and I think it will also simplify writing fake / test clocks.
>
> I worked on this a little bit and added a PCLOCK.t and DEVICE 
> signature to PCLOCK
>
> see
> https://github.com/mattgray/mirage/commit/5b83035c1dcfc7e5aec8e7d9fc46f96f8e57ffc7
> https://github.com/mattgray/mirage-clock/commit/b9b225e64b6ff7e9a714d13af65803ea6845a055
>
> It compiles and does the right thing (ie. nothing in connect and 
> disconnect) but I'm pretty confused around V1_LWT and implementing the 
> DEVICE signature correctly, so some review / help there would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Should MCLOCK also implement the DEVICE signature? I think so, for 
> consistency.

Making PCLOCK be a device looks completely reasonable to me, and I see 
no reason not to make MCLOCK be one as well.  Thoughts?

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    <p>On 07/27/2016 02:05 PM, Matthew Gray wrote:<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 6:31 PM,
            Thomas Leonard <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:talex5@gmail.com"
                target="_blank">talex5@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div class="gmail-HOEnZb">
                <div class="gmail-h5">
                  <br>
                </div>
              </div>
              The CLOCK signature uses<br>
              <br>
                val time: unit -&gt; float<br>
              <br>
              rather than<br>
              <br>
                val time: t -&gt; float<br>
              <br>
              for some reason, which makes this difficult. I suggest
              changing the<br>
              signature to work like the other devices.<br>
            </blockquote>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>I agree, it would make an NTP-corrected clock using
              Kia's work much easier, and I think it will also simplify
              writing fake / test clocks.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>I worked on this a little bit and added a PCLOCK.t and
              DEVICE signature to PCLOCK</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>see</div>
            <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/mattgray/mirage/commit/5b83035c1dcfc7e5aec8e7d9fc46f96f8e57ffc7">https://github.com/mattgray/mirage/commit/5b83035c1dcfc7e5aec8e7d9fc46f96f8e57ffc7</a><br>
            </div>
            <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/mattgray/mirage-clock/commit/b9b225e64b6ff7e9a714d13af65803ea6845a055">https://github.com/mattgray/mirage-clock/commit/b9b225e64b6ff7e9a714d13af65803ea6845a055</a><br>
            </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>It compiles and does the right thing (ie. nothing in
              connect and disconnect) but I'm pretty confused around
              V1_LWT and implementing the DEVICE signature correctly, so
              some review / help there would be appreciated.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Should MCLOCK also implement the DEVICE signature? I
              think so, for consistency.<br>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Making PCLOCK be a device looks completely reasonable to me, and I
    see no reason not to make MCLOCK be one as well.  Thoughts?<br>
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