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Thank you all for the responses to the MirageOS IRC call questionnaire -
you can see the conclusions and some suggestions for future actions here:
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It would be great to discuss some practical solutions to the suggestions
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summaries. I've added it to the call agenda for today and started an issue
here: https://github.com/mirage/mirage-www/issues/512

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Thanks,

Gemma

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Thank you all for the responses to the MirageOS IRC call questionnaire -
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http://reynard.io/2017/01/18/MirageIRCFeedback.html

It would be great to discuss some practical solutions to the suggestions
given - I know that Mindy has already asked for volunteers to write call
summaries. I've added it to the call agenda for today and started an issue
here: https://github.com/mirage/mirage-www/issues/512

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Thanks,

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Hi,

I'm trying to increase the performance a program which uses the
mirage-tcpip stack (specifically vpnkit[1] running on Windows). I noticed
the total CPU overhead in `top` was higher than I expected so I attempted
to reduce the overhead per byte by enabling jumbo frames. I bumped the MTU
of the ethernet link however this was not enough -- mirage-tcpip was still
sending frames of size ~1500 bytes. I tracked the problem down to the
[max_mss](
https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7461805cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62)
-- when I manually bumped this and recompiled, I got larger frames and my
TCP throughput increased from 500Mbit/sec to 600Mbit/sec (there are other
overheads that also need addressing)

So my questions is: how should this be done properly? Should the TCP layer
query the maximum IP datagram size (derived from the underlying ethernet
MTU)? Or is something more complicated needed?

Related to this, if the ethernet link actually has a small MTU, presumably
TCP will emit large 1460 segments -- is this bad?

Cheers,
Dave

[1] vpnkit uses the mirage-tcpip stack to terminate TCP flows (acting as a
server) and proxies the data to/from regular Unix SOCK_STREAM/SOCK_DGRAM
sockets: https://github.com/docker/vpnkit

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m trying to increase the perf=
ormance a program which uses the mirage-tcpip stack (specifically vpnkit[1]=
 running on Windows). I noticed the total CPU overhead in `top` was higher =
than I expected so I attempted to reduce the overhead per byte by enabling =
jumbo frames. I bumped the MTU of the ethernet link however this was not en=
ough -- mirage-tcpip was still sending frames of size ~1500 bytes. I tracke=
d the problem down to the [max_mss](<a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/mi=
rage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7461805cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#=
L62">https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7461805cf=
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d recompiled, I got larger frames and my TCP throughput increased from 500M=
bit/sec to 600Mbit/sec (there are other overheads that also need addressing=
)</div><div><br></div><div>So my questions is: how should this be done prop=
erly? Should the TCP layer query the maximum IP datagram size (derived from=
 the underlying ethernet MTU)? Or is something more complicated needed?</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Related to this, if the ethernet link actually has a =
small MTU, presumably TCP will emit large 1460 segments -- is this bad?</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Dave</div><div><br></div><div>[1] v=
pnkit uses the mirage-tcpip stack to terminate TCP flows (acting as a serve=
r) and proxies the data to/from regular Unix SOCK_STREAM/SOCK_DGRAM sockets=
: <a href=3D"https://github.com/docker/vpnkit">https://github.com/docker/vp=
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Hi,

I'm trying to increase the performance a program which uses the
mirage-tcpip stack (specifically vpnkit[1] running on Windows). I noticed
the total CPU overhead in `top` was higher than I expected so I attempted
to reduce the overhead per byte by enabling jumbo frames. I bumped the MTU
of the ethernet link however this was not enough -- mirage-tcpip was still
sending frames of size ~1500 bytes. I tracked the problem down to the
[max_mss](
https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7461805cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62)
-- when I manually bumped this and recompiled, I got larger frames and my
TCP throughput increased from 500Mbit/sec to 600Mbit/sec (there are other
overheads that also need addressing)

So my questions is: how should this be done properly? Should the TCP layer
query the maximum IP datagram size (derived from the underlying ethernet
MTU)? Or is something more complicated needed?

Related to this, if the ethernet link actually has a small MTU, presumably
TCP will emit large 1460 segments -- is this bad?

Cheers,
Dave

[1] vpnkit uses the mirage-tcpip stack to terminate TCP flows (acting as a
server) and proxies the data to/from regular Unix SOCK_STREAM/SOCK_DGRAM
sockets: https://github.com/docker/vpnkit

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m trying to increase the perf=
ormance a program which uses the mirage-tcpip stack (specifically vpnkit[1]=
 running on Windows). I noticed the total CPU overhead in `top` was higher =
than I expected so I attempted to reduce the overhead per byte by enabling =
jumbo frames. I bumped the MTU of the ethernet link however this was not en=
ough -- mirage-tcpip was still sending frames of size ~1500 bytes. I tracke=
d the problem down to the [max_mss](<a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/mi=
rage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7461805cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#=
L62">https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7461805cf=
233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62</a>) -- when I manually bumped this an=
d recompiled, I got larger frames and my TCP throughput increased from 500M=
bit/sec to 600Mbit/sec (there are other overheads that also need addressing=
)</div><div><br></div><div>So my questions is: how should this be done prop=
erly? Should the TCP layer query the maximum IP datagram size (derived from=
 the underlying ethernet MTU)? Or is something more complicated needed?</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Related to this, if the ethernet link actually has a =
small MTU, presumably TCP will emit large 1460 segments -- is this bad?</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Dave</div><div><br></div><div>[1] v=
pnkit uses the mirage-tcpip stack to terminate TCP flows (acting as a serve=
r) and proxies the data to/from regular Unix SOCK_STREAM/SOCK_DGRAM sockets=
: <a href=3D"https://github.com/docker/vpnkit">https://github.com/docker/vp=
nkit</a><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>
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Heya,

I think so, MSS should track the underlying MTU, at least that's what a BSD
network stack does. Ideally MSS is MTU - (all headers above tcp).

Sending a larger frame than the MTU from the tcp stack is bad, usually TCP
should never rely on IP fragmentation and always max out a single datagram.

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 at 11:00, David Scott <scott.dj@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to increase the performance a program which uses the
> mirage-tcpip stack (specifically vpnkit[1] running on Windows). I noticed
> the total CPU overhead in `top` was higher than I expected so I attempted
> to reduce the overhead per byte by enabling jumbo frames. I bumped the MTU
> of the ethernet link however this was not enough -- mirage-tcpip was still
> sending frames of size ~1500 bytes. I tracked the problem down to the
> [max_mss](
> https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7461805cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62)
> -- when I manually bumped this and recompiled, I got larger frames and my
> TCP throughput increased from 500Mbit/sec to 600Mbit/sec (there are other
> overheads that also need addressing)
>
> So my questions is: how should this be done properly? Should the TCP layer
> query the maximum IP datagram size (derived from the underlying ethernet
> MTU)? Or is something more complicated needed?
>
> Related to this, if the ethernet link actually has a small MTU, presumably
> TCP will emit large 1460 segments -- is this bad?
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
> [1] vpnkit uses the mirage-tcpip stack to terminate TCP flows (acting as a
> server) and proxies the data to/from regular Unix SOCK_STREAM/SOCK_DGRAM
> sockets: https://github.com/docker/vpnkit
>
>
>
>
>
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<div>Heya,</div><div><br></div><div>I think so, MSS should track the underl=
ying MTU, at least that&#39;s what a BSD network stack does. Ideally MSS is=
 MTU - (all headers above tcp).</div><div><br></div><div>Sending a larger f=
rame than the MTU from the tcp stack is bad, usually TCP should never rely =
on IP fragmentation and always max out a single datagram.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 at 11:00, David=
 Scott &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scott.dj@gmail.com">scott.dj@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_msg">Hi=
,<div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg"></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_msg">I&#39;m trying to increase the performance a program which uses the m=
irage-tcpip stack (specifically vpnkit[1] running on Windows). I noticed th=
e total CPU overhead in `top` was higher than I expected so I attempted to =
reduce the overhead per byte by enabling jumbo frames. I bumped the MTU of =
the ethernet link however this was not enough -- mirage-tcpip was still sen=
ding frames of size ~1500 bytes. I tracked the problem down to the [max_mss=
](<a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7=
461805cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62" class=3D"gmail_msg" target=3D=
"_blank">https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b74618=
05cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62</a>) -- when I manually bumped thi=
s and recompiled, I got larger frames and my TCP throughput increased from =
500Mbit/sec to 600Mbit/sec (there are other overheads that also need addres=
sing)</div><div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg"></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_msg">So my questions is: how should this be done properly? Shoul=
d the TCP layer query the maximum IP datagram size (derived from the underl=
ying ethernet MTU)? Or is something more complicated needed?</div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg"></div><div class=3D"gmail_msg">Rela=
ted to this, if the ethernet link actually has a small MTU, presumably TCP =
will emit large 1460 segments -- is this bad?</div><div class=3D"gmail_msg"=
><br class=3D"gmail_msg"></div><div class=3D"gmail_msg">Cheers,</div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_msg">Dave</div><div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_ms=
g"></div><div class=3D"gmail_msg">[1] vpnkit uses the mirage-tcpip stack to=
 terminate TCP flows (acting as a server) and proxies the data to/from regu=
lar Unix SOCK_STREAM/SOCK_DGRAM sockets: <a href=3D"https://github.com/dock=
er/vpnkit" class=3D"gmail_msg" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/docker/=
vpnkit</a><br clear=3D"all" class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg"><b=
r class=3D"gmail_msg"></div><br><br></div></div><br><br>___________________=
____________________________<br class=3D"gmail_msg"><br>MirageOS-devel mail=
ing list<br class=3D"gmail_msg"><br><a href=3D"mailto:MirageOS-devel@lists.=
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Heya,

I think so, MSS should track the underlying MTU, at least that's what a BSD
network stack does. Ideally MSS is MTU - (all headers above tcp).

Sending a larger frame than the MTU from the tcp stack is bad, usually TCP
should never rely on IP fragmentation and always max out a single datagram.

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 at 11:00, David Scott <scott.dj@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to increase the performance a program which uses the
> mirage-tcpip stack (specifically vpnkit[1] running on Windows). I noticed
> the total CPU overhead in `top` was higher than I expected so I attempted
> to reduce the overhead per byte by enabling jumbo frames. I bumped the MTU
> of the ethernet link however this was not enough -- mirage-tcpip was still
> sending frames of size ~1500 bytes. I tracked the problem down to the
> [max_mss](
> https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7461805cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62)
> -- when I manually bumped this and recompiled, I got larger frames and my
> TCP throughput increased from 500Mbit/sec to 600Mbit/sec (there are other
> overheads that also need addressing)
>
> So my questions is: how should this be done properly? Should the TCP layer
> query the maximum IP datagram size (derived from the underlying ethernet
> MTU)? Or is something more complicated needed?
>
> Related to this, if the ethernet link actually has a small MTU, presumably
> TCP will emit large 1460 segments -- is this bad?
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
> [1] vpnkit uses the mirage-tcpip stack to terminate TCP flows (acting as a
> server) and proxies the data to/from regular Unix SOCK_STREAM/SOCK_DGRAM
> sockets: https://github.com/docker/vpnkit
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> MirageOS-devel mailing list
>
> MirageOS-devel@lists.xenproject.org
>
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<div>Heya,</div><div><br></div><div>I think so, MSS should track the underl=
ying MTU, at least that&#39;s what a BSD network stack does. Ideally MSS is=
 MTU - (all headers above tcp).</div><div><br></div><div>Sending a larger f=
rame than the MTU from the tcp stack is bad, usually TCP should never rely =
on IP fragmentation and always max out a single datagram.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 at 11:00, David=
 Scott &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scott.dj@gmail.com">scott.dj@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_msg">Hi=
,<div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg"></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_msg">I&#39;m trying to increase the performance a program which uses the m=
irage-tcpip stack (specifically vpnkit[1] running on Windows). I noticed th=
e total CPU overhead in `top` was higher than I expected so I attempted to =
reduce the overhead per byte by enabling jumbo frames. I bumped the MTU of =
the ethernet link however this was not enough -- mirage-tcpip was still sen=
ding frames of size ~1500 bytes. I tracked the problem down to the [max_mss=
](<a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7=
461805cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62" class=3D"gmail_msg" target=3D=
"_blank">https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b74618=
05cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62</a>) -- when I manually bumped thi=
s and recompiled, I got larger frames and my TCP throughput increased from =
500Mbit/sec to 600Mbit/sec (there are other overheads that also need addres=
sing)</div><div class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg"></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_msg">So my questions is: how should this be done properly? Shoul=
d the TCP layer query the maximum IP datagram size (derived from the underl=
ying ethernet MTU)? Or is something more complicated needed?</div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg"></div><div class=3D"gmail_msg">Rela=
ted to this, if the ethernet link actually has a small MTU, presumably TCP =
will emit large 1460 segments -- is this bad?</div><div class=3D"gmail_msg"=
><br class=3D"gmail_msg"></div><div class=3D"gmail_msg">Cheers,</div><div c=
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g"></div><div class=3D"gmail_msg">[1] vpnkit uses the mirage-tcpip stack to=
 terminate TCP flows (acting as a server) and proxies the data to/from regu=
lar Unix SOCK_STREAM/SOCK_DGRAM sockets: <a href=3D"https://github.com/dock=
er/vpnkit" class=3D"gmail_msg" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/docker/=
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Hi all,

I'm interested in tackling the WebIDL pioneer project. I'd appreciate
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Thank you,
Jyotsna

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Thank you,
Jyotsna

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view of the background knowledge required for this project.. as I&#39;m not=
 sure if I&#39;m biting off more than I can chew..<br><br>Thank you,<br>Jyo=
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Mindy <mindy@somerandomidiot.com> wrote:

> On 01/19/2017 04:14 AM, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
>
> On 19 Jan 2017, at 10:00, David Scott <scott.dj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm trying to increase the performance a program which uses the
>>> mirage-tcpip stack (specifically vpnkit[1] running on Windows). I noticed
>>> the total CPU overhead in `top` was higher than I expected so I attempted
>>> to reduce the overhead per byte by enabling jumbo frames. I bumped the MTU
>>> of the ethernet link however this was not enough -- mirage-tcpip was still
>>> sending frames of size ~1500 bytes. I tracked the problem down to the
>>> [max_mss](https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db4
>>> 28db2346a7b7461805cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62) -- when I
>>> manually bumped this and recompiled, I got larger frames and my TCP
>>> throughput increased from 500Mbit/sec to 600Mbit/sec (there are other
>>> overheads that also need addressing)
>>>
>>> So my questions is: how should this be done properly? Should the TCP
>>> layer query the maximum IP datagram size (derived from the underlying
>>> ethernet MTU)? Or is something more complicated needed?
>>>
>> That sounds right -- one missing feature is that we don't have Path MTU
>> discovery in the stack, and so can only select on the basis of the
>> immediate MTU (which may be larger than some intermediate hop, causing
>> fragmentation on the wire).
>>
>
> I've thought about this a bit recently (since
> https://github.com/mirage/mirage/issues/622#issuecomment-254513280) but
> have lacked the time and focus to improve the situation.  It's a bit worse
> than the comment above implies, because we currently have no concept of an
> MTU at all in the Ethernet implementation used by mirage-tcpip's `direct`
> stack.
>
> An important first step would be adding any facility for setting (on
> `connect`, presumably) the MTU in the Ethernet layer, and adding a function
> for querying that information to the ETHIF module type so higher layers can
> rely on it.  Right now there's no mechanism for discovering that the packet
> to be sent is larger than our own MTU, let alone one further along the path.
>

Ah, I hadn't spotted that an MTU accessor function is missing! I think this
probably explains why the MSS value is hardcoded :)

I had a go at adding a simple `mtu: t -> int` accessor to both ethernet and
IPv* and then patched TCP to compute the MSS from the MTU of the layer
beneath. As you suggested I added a `connect` parameter to the ethernet
layer:

https://github.com/mirage/mirage-protocols/pull/4
https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/pull/288

Let me know what you think!

(There's no rush on this from my point of view -- I imagine things are
really busy with the release. If the shape of the interface is ok then I
might proceed and base further speculative work on it in branches)

Cheers,
Dave



>
> Path MTU discovery beyond the 0th hop would also involve an assembly of
> modules that is a bit more intelligent with regard to ICMP messages than
> the current Mirage_stack_lwt.V4, but I don't think anything required for
> that is missing in the set of code we're assembling for MirageOS 3 -
> probably the right knobs aren't exposed in the TCP module type, but that's
> the only thing that comes to mind.
>
> I'd love to see contributions in this area :)
>
>
>
>> Perhaps that's something (along with IPv6) for the Marrakesh hackathon?
>>
>> Related to this, if the ethernet link actually has a small MTU,
>>> presumably TCP will emit large 1460 segments -- is this bad?
>>>
>> Yes, that's bad as it'll cause IP-level fragmentation, which we probably
>> want to avoid -- I believe IPv4's minimum transmission unit is 68.
>>
>>
> Currently it results in packets going to /dev/null, which may or may not
> be preferable :) you might be interested in @polvorin's IPv4 fragmentation
> PR at https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/pull/243 , which I got
> distracted from with release managing but is relevant to your interests.
>
> -Mindy
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Mindy <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:mindy@somerandomidiot.com" target=3D"_blank">mindy@somerandomidiot.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,2=
04);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"gmail-">On 01/=
19/2017 04:14 AM, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
On 19 Jan 2017, at 10:00, David Scott &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scott.dj@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">scott.dj@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br>
<br>
I&#39;m trying to increase the performance a program which uses the mirage-=
tcpip stack (specifically vpnkit[1] running on Windows). I noticed the tota=
l CPU overhead in `top` was higher than I expected so I attempted to reduce=
 the overhead per byte by enabling jumbo frames. I bumped the MTU of the et=
hernet link however this was not enough -- mirage-tcpip was still sending f=
rames of size ~1500 bytes. I tracked the problem down to the [max_mss](<a h=
ref=3D"https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7461805=
cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
">https://github.com/m<wbr>irage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db4<wbr>28db2346a7b74=
61805cf233631b8f6<wbr>1a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62</a>) -- when I manually bu=
mped this and recompiled, I got larger frames and my TCP throughput increas=
ed from 500Mbit/sec to 600Mbit/sec (there are other overheads that also nee=
d addressing)<br>
<br>
So my questions is: how should this be done properly? Should the TCP layer =
query the maximum IP datagram size (derived from the underlying ethernet MT=
U)? Or is something more complicated needed?<br>
</blockquote>
That sounds right -- one missing feature is that we don&#39;t have Path MTU=
 discovery in the stack, and so can only select on the basis of the immedia=
te MTU (which may be larger than some intermediate hop, causing fragmentati=
on on the wire).<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
I&#39;ve thought about this a bit recently (since <a href=3D"https://github=
.com/mirage/mirage/issues/622#issuecomment-254513280" rel=3D"noreferrer" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">https://github.com/mirage/mira<wbr>ge/issues/622#issuecomme=
nt-<wbr>254513280</a>) but have lacked the time and focus to improve the si=
tuation.=C2=A0 It&#39;s a bit worse than the comment above implies, because=
 we currently have no concept of an MTU at all in the Ethernet implementati=
on used by mirage-tcpip&#39;s `direct` stack.<br>
<br>
An important first step would be adding any facility for setting (on `conne=
ct`, presumably) the MTU in the Ethernet layer, and adding a function for q=
uerying that information to the ETHIF module type so higher layers can rely=
 on it.=C2=A0 Right now there&#39;s no mechanism for discovering that the p=
acket to be sent is larger than our own MTU, let alone one further along th=
e path.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ah, I hadn&#39;t spotted that a=
n MTU accessor function is missing! I think this probably explains why the =
MSS value is hardcoded :)</div><div><br></div><div>I had a go at adding a s=
imple `mtu: t -&gt; int` accessor to both ethernet and IPv* and then patche=
d TCP to compute the MSS from the MTU of the layer beneath. As you suggeste=
d I added a `connect` parameter to the ethernet layer:</div><div><br></div>=
<div><a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/mirage-protocols/pull/4">https://=
github.com/mirage/mirage-protocols/pull/4</a><br></div><div><a href=3D"http=
s://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/pull/288">https://github.com/mirage/mira=
ge-tcpip/pull/288</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Let me know what you thi=
nk!</div><div><br></div><div>(There&#39;s no rush on this from my point of =
view -- I imagine things are really busy with the release. If the shape of =
the interface is ok then I might proceed and base further speculative work =
on it in branches)</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Dave</div><di=
v><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,2=
04);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Path MTU discovery beyond the 0th hop would also involve an assembly of mod=
ules that is a bit more intelligent with regard to ICMP messages than the c=
urrent Mirage_stack_lwt.V4, but I don&#39;t think anything required for tha=
t is missing in the set of code we&#39;re assembling for MirageOS 3 - proba=
bly the right knobs aren&#39;t exposed in the TCP module type, but that&#39=
;s the only thing that comes to mind.<br>
<br>
I&#39;d love to see contributions in this area :)<span class=3D"gmail-"><br=
>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
<br>
Perhaps that&#39;s something (along with IPv6) for the Marrakesh hackathon?=
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
Related to this, if the ethernet link actually has a small MTU, presumably =
TCP will emit large 1460 segments -- is this bad?<br>
</blockquote>
Yes, that&#39;s bad as it&#39;ll cause IP-level fragmentation, which we pro=
bably want to avoid -- I believe IPv4&#39;s minimum transmission unit is 68=
.<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
Currently it results in packets going to /dev/null, which may or may not be=
 preferable :) you might be interested in @polvorin&#39;s IPv4 fragmentatio=
n PR at <a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/pull/243" rel=3D"=
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/mirage/mira<wbr>ge-tcpip/p=
ull/243</a> , which I got distracted from with release managing but is rele=
vant to your interests.<span class=3D"gmail-HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"=
><br>
<br>
-Mindy</font></span><div class=3D"gmail-HOEnZb"><div class=3D"gmail-h5"><br=
>
<br>
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Mindy <mindy@somerandomidiot.com> wrote:

> On 01/19/2017 04:14 AM, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
>
> On 19 Jan 2017, at 10:00, David Scott <scott.dj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm trying to increase the performance a program which uses the
>>> mirage-tcpip stack (specifically vpnkit[1] running on Windows). I noticed
>>> the total CPU overhead in `top` was higher than I expected so I attempted
>>> to reduce the overhead per byte by enabling jumbo frames. I bumped the MTU
>>> of the ethernet link however this was not enough -- mirage-tcpip was still
>>> sending frames of size ~1500 bytes. I tracked the problem down to the
>>> [max_mss](https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db4
>>> 28db2346a7b7461805cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62) -- when I
>>> manually bumped this and recompiled, I got larger frames and my TCP
>>> throughput increased from 500Mbit/sec to 600Mbit/sec (there are other
>>> overheads that also need addressing)
>>>
>>> So my questions is: how should this be done properly? Should the TCP
>>> layer query the maximum IP datagram size (derived from the underlying
>>> ethernet MTU)? Or is something more complicated needed?
>>>
>> That sounds right -- one missing feature is that we don't have Path MTU
>> discovery in the stack, and so can only select on the basis of the
>> immediate MTU (which may be larger than some intermediate hop, causing
>> fragmentation on the wire).
>>
>
> I've thought about this a bit recently (since
> https://github.com/mirage/mirage/issues/622#issuecomment-254513280) but
> have lacked the time and focus to improve the situation.  It's a bit worse
> than the comment above implies, because we currently have no concept of an
> MTU at all in the Ethernet implementation used by mirage-tcpip's `direct`
> stack.
>
> An important first step would be adding any facility for setting (on
> `connect`, presumably) the MTU in the Ethernet layer, and adding a function
> for querying that information to the ETHIF module type so higher layers can
> rely on it.  Right now there's no mechanism for discovering that the packet
> to be sent is larger than our own MTU, let alone one further along the path.
>

Ah, I hadn't spotted that an MTU accessor function is missing! I think this
probably explains why the MSS value is hardcoded :)

I had a go at adding a simple `mtu: t -> int` accessor to both ethernet and
IPv* and then patched TCP to compute the MSS from the MTU of the layer
beneath. As you suggested I added a `connect` parameter to the ethernet
layer:

https://github.com/mirage/mirage-protocols/pull/4
https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/pull/288

Let me know what you think!

(There's no rush on this from my point of view -- I imagine things are
really busy with the release. If the shape of the interface is ok then I
might proceed and base further speculative work on it in branches)

Cheers,
Dave



>
> Path MTU discovery beyond the 0th hop would also involve an assembly of
> modules that is a bit more intelligent with regard to ICMP messages than
> the current Mirage_stack_lwt.V4, but I don't think anything required for
> that is missing in the set of code we're assembling for MirageOS 3 -
> probably the right knobs aren't exposed in the TCP module type, but that's
> the only thing that comes to mind.
>
> I'd love to see contributions in this area :)
>
>
>
>> Perhaps that's something (along with IPv6) for the Marrakesh hackathon?
>>
>> Related to this, if the ethernet link actually has a small MTU,
>>> presumably TCP will emit large 1460 segments -- is this bad?
>>>
>> Yes, that's bad as it'll cause IP-level fragmentation, which we probably
>> want to avoid -- I believe IPv4's minimum transmission unit is 68.
>>
>>
> Currently it results in packets going to /dev/null, which may or may not
> be preferable :) you might be interested in @polvorin's IPv4 fragmentation
> PR at https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/pull/243 , which I got
> distracted from with release managing but is relevant to your interests.
>
> -Mindy
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Mindy <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:mindy@somerandomidiot.com" target=3D"_blank">mindy@somerandomidiot.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,2=
04);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"gmail-">On 01/=
19/2017 04:14 AM, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
On 19 Jan 2017, at 10:00, David Scott &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scott.dj@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">scott.dj@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br>
<br>
I&#39;m trying to increase the performance a program which uses the mirage-=
tcpip stack (specifically vpnkit[1] running on Windows). I noticed the tota=
l CPU overhead in `top` was higher than I expected so I attempted to reduce=
 the overhead per byte by enabling jumbo frames. I bumped the MTU of the et=
hernet link however this was not enough -- mirage-tcpip was still sending f=
rames of size ~1500 bytes. I tracked the problem down to the [max_mss](<a h=
ref=3D"https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7461805=
cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
">https://github.com/m<wbr>irage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db4<wbr>28db2346a7b74=
61805cf233631b8f6<wbr>1a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62</a>) -- when I manually bu=
mped this and recompiled, I got larger frames and my TCP throughput increas=
ed from 500Mbit/sec to 600Mbit/sec (there are other overheads that also nee=
d addressing)<br>
<br>
So my questions is: how should this be done properly? Should the TCP layer =
query the maximum IP datagram size (derived from the underlying ethernet MT=
U)? Or is something more complicated needed?<br>
</blockquote>
That sounds right -- one missing feature is that we don&#39;t have Path MTU=
 discovery in the stack, and so can only select on the basis of the immedia=
te MTU (which may be larger than some intermediate hop, causing fragmentati=
on on the wire).<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
I&#39;ve thought about this a bit recently (since <a href=3D"https://github=
.com/mirage/mirage/issues/622#issuecomment-254513280" rel=3D"noreferrer" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">https://github.com/mirage/mira<wbr>ge/issues/622#issuecomme=
nt-<wbr>254513280</a>) but have lacked the time and focus to improve the si=
tuation.=C2=A0 It&#39;s a bit worse than the comment above implies, because=
 we currently have no concept of an MTU at all in the Ethernet implementati=
on used by mirage-tcpip&#39;s `direct` stack.<br>
<br>
An important first step would be adding any facility for setting (on `conne=
ct`, presumably) the MTU in the Ethernet layer, and adding a function for q=
uerying that information to the ETHIF module type so higher layers can rely=
 on it.=C2=A0 Right now there&#39;s no mechanism for discovering that the p=
acket to be sent is larger than our own MTU, let alone one further along th=
e path.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ah, I hadn&#39;t spotted that a=
n MTU accessor function is missing! I think this probably explains why the =
MSS value is hardcoded :)</div><div><br></div><div>I had a go at adding a s=
imple `mtu: t -&gt; int` accessor to both ethernet and IPv* and then patche=
d TCP to compute the MSS from the MTU of the layer beneath. As you suggeste=
d I added a `connect` parameter to the ethernet layer:</div><div><br></div>=
<div><a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/mirage-protocols/pull/4">https://=
github.com/mirage/mirage-protocols/pull/4</a><br></div><div><a href=3D"http=
s://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/pull/288">https://github.com/mirage/mira=
ge-tcpip/pull/288</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Let me know what you thi=
nk!</div><div><br></div><div>(There&#39;s no rush on this from my point of =
view -- I imagine things are really busy with the release. If the shape of =
the interface is ok then I might proceed and base further speculative work =
on it in branches)</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Dave</div><di=
v><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,2=
04);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Path MTU discovery beyond the 0th hop would also involve an assembly of mod=
ules that is a bit more intelligent with regard to ICMP messages than the c=
urrent Mirage_stack_lwt.V4, but I don&#39;t think anything required for tha=
t is missing in the set of code we&#39;re assembling for MirageOS 3 - proba=
bly the right knobs aren&#39;t exposed in the TCP module type, but that&#39=
;s the only thing that comes to mind.<br>
<br>
I&#39;d love to see contributions in this area :)<span class=3D"gmail-"><br=
>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
<br>
Perhaps that&#39;s something (along with IPv6) for the Marrakesh hackathon?=
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
Related to this, if the ethernet link actually has a small MTU, presumably =
TCP will emit large 1460 segments -- is this bad?<br>
</blockquote>
Yes, that&#39;s bad as it&#39;ll cause IP-level fragmentation, which we pro=
bably want to avoid -- I believe IPv4&#39;s minimum transmission unit is 68=
.<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
Currently it results in packets going to /dev/null, which may or may not be=
 preferable :) you might be interested in @polvorin&#39;s IPv4 fragmentatio=
n PR at <a href=3D"https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/pull/243" rel=3D"=
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/mirage/mira<wbr>ge-tcpip/p=
ull/243</a> , which I got distracted from with release managing but is rele=
vant to your interests.<span class=3D"gmail-HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"=
><br>
<br>
-Mindy</font></span><div class=3D"gmail-HOEnZb"><div class=3D"gmail-h5"><br=
>
<br>
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On 01/22/2017 10:58 AM, David Scott wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Mindy <mindy@somerandomidiot.com 
> <mailto:mindy@somerandomidiot.com>> wrote:
>
>     On 01/19/2017 04:14 AM, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
>
>         On 19 Jan 2017, at 10:00, David Scott <scott.dj@gmail.com
>         <mailto:scott.dj@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>             Hi,
>
>             I'm trying to increase the performance a program which
>             uses the mirage-tcpip stack (specifically vpnkit[1]
>             running on Windows). I noticed the total CPU overhead in
>             `top` was higher than I expected so I attempted to reduce
>             the overhead per byte by enabling jumbo frames. I bumped
>             the MTU of the ethernet link however this was not enough
>             -- mirage-tcpip was still sending frames of size ~1500
>             bytes. I tracked the problem down to the
>             [max_mss](https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7461805cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62
>             <https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7461805cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62>)
>             -- when I manually bumped this and recompiled, I got
>             larger frames and my TCP throughput increased from
>             500Mbit/sec to 600Mbit/sec (there are other overheads that
>             also need addressing)
>
>             So my questions is: how should this be done properly?
>             Should the TCP layer query the maximum IP datagram size
>             (derived from the underlying ethernet MTU)? Or is
>             something more complicated needed?
>
>         That sounds right -- one missing feature is that we don't have
>         Path MTU discovery in the stack, and so can only select on the
>         basis of the immediate MTU (which may be larger than some
>         intermediate hop, causing fragmentation on the wire).
>
>
>     I've thought about this a bit recently (since
>     https://github.com/mirage/mirage/issues/622#issuecomment-254513280
>     <https://github.com/mirage/mirage/issues/622#issuecomment-254513280>)
>     but have lacked the time and focus to improve the situation.  It's
>     a bit worse than the comment above implies, because we currently
>     have no concept of an MTU at all in the Ethernet implementation
>     used by mirage-tcpip's `direct` stack.
>
>     An important first step would be adding any facility for setting
>     (on `connect`, presumably) the MTU in the Ethernet layer, and
>     adding a function for querying that information to the ETHIF
>     module type so higher layers can rely on it. Right now there's no
>     mechanism for discovering that the packet to be sent is larger
>     than our own MTU, let alone one further along the path.
>
>
> Ah, I hadn't spotted that an MTU accessor function is missing! I think 
> this probably explains why the MSS value is hardcoded :)
>
> I had a go at adding a simple `mtu: t -> int` accessor to both 
> ethernet and IPv* and then patched TCP to compute the MSS from the MTU 
> of the layer beneath. As you suggested I added a `connect` parameter 
> to the ethernet layer:
>
> https://github.com/mirage/mirage-protocols/pull/4
> https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/pull/288
>
> Let me know what you think!

This is great!

Another context in which I was recently thinking about MTUs: they're one 
of the only situations I could think of where Ethif.write or 
Ethif.writev would sensibly return an `Error` that wasn't passed up the 
stack from the underlying NETIF module's `write{v}`.

>
> (There's no rush on this from my point of view -- I imagine things are 
> really busy with the release. If the shape of the interface is ok then 
> I might proceed and base further speculative work on it in branches)

I think that's pretty safe!  These patches look like the right start to me.

-Mindy

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    <p>On 01/22/2017 10:58 AM, David Scott wrote:<br>
    </p>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAG_esB3=5vKyX-Sz-+pRC-7pDBD+=untxjamtyrLNOijN1vgDg@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 2:40 PM,
            Mindy <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:mindy@somerandomidiot.com" target="_blank">mindy@somerandomidiot.com</a>&gt;</span>
            wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span
                class="gmail-">On 01/19/2017 04:14 AM, Anil Madhavapeddy
                wrote:<br>
                <br>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
                  0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">On
                  19 Jan 2017, at 10:00, David Scott &lt;<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:scott.dj@gmail.com" target="_blank">scott.dj@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
                    0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
                    <br>
                    I'm trying to increase the performance a program
                    which uses the mirage-tcpip stack (specifically
                    vpnkit[1] running on Windows). I noticed the total
                    CPU overhead in `top` was higher than I expected so
                    I attempted to reduce the overhead per byte by
                    enabling jumbo frames. I bumped the MTU of the
                    ethernet link however this was not enough --
                    mirage-tcpip was still sending frames of size ~1500
                    bytes. I tracked the problem down to the [max_mss](<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7461805cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62"
                      rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/m<wbr>irage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db4<wbr>28db2346a7b7461805cf233631b8f6<wbr>1a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62</a>)
                    -- when I manually bumped this and recompiled, I got
                    larger frames and my TCP throughput increased from
                    500Mbit/sec to 600Mbit/sec (there are other
                    overheads that also need addressing)<br>
                    <br>
                    So my questions is: how should this be done
                    properly? Should the TCP layer query the maximum IP
                    datagram size (derived from the underlying ethernet
                    MTU)? Or is something more complicated needed?<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  That sounds right -- one missing feature is that we
                  don't have Path MTU discovery in the stack, and so can
                  only select on the basis of the immediate MTU (which
                  may be larger than some intermediate hop, causing
                  fragmentation on the wire).<br>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
              </span>
              I've thought about this a bit recently (since <a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/mirage/mirage/issues/622#issuecomment-254513280"
                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/mirage/mira<wbr>ge/issues/622#issuecomment-<wbr>254513280</a>)
              but have lacked the time and focus to improve the
              situation.  It's a bit worse than the comment above
              implies, because we currently have no concept of an MTU at
              all in the Ethernet implementation used by mirage-tcpip's
              `direct` stack.<br>
              <br>
              An important first step would be adding any facility for
              setting (on `connect`, presumably) the MTU in the Ethernet
              layer, and adding a function for querying that information
              to the ETHIF module type so higher layers can rely on it. 
              Right now there's no mechanism for discovering that the
              packet to be sent is larger than our own MTU, let alone
              one further along the path.<br>
            </blockquote>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Ah, I hadn't spotted that an MTU accessor function is
              missing! I think this probably explains why the MSS value
              is hardcoded :)</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>I had a go at adding a simple `mtu: t -&gt; int`
              accessor to both ethernet and IPv* and then patched TCP to
              compute the MSS from the MTU of the layer beneath. As you
              suggested I added a `connect` parameter to the ethernet
              layer:</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://github.com/mirage/mirage-protocols/pull/4">https://github.com/mirage/mirage-protocols/pull/4</a><br>
            </div>
            <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/pull/288">https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/pull/288</a><br>
            </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Let me know what you think!</div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    This is great!<br>
    <br>
    Another context in which I was recently thinking about MTUs: they're
    one of the only situations I could think of where Ethif.write or
    Ethif.writev would sensibly return an `Error` that wasn't passed up
    the stack from the underlying NETIF module's `write{v}`.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAG_esB3=5vKyX-Sz-+pRC-7pDBD+=untxjamtyrLNOijN1vgDg@mail.gmail.com"
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          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>(There's no rush on this from my point of view -- I
              imagine things are really busy with the release. If the
              shape of the interface is ok then I might proceed and base
              further speculative work on it in branches)</div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I think that's pretty safe!  These patches look like the right start
    to me.<br>
    <br>
    -Mindy<br>
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On 01/22/2017 10:58 AM, David Scott wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Mindy <mindy@somerandomidiot.com 
> <mailto:mindy@somerandomidiot.com>> wrote:
>
>     On 01/19/2017 04:14 AM, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
>
>         On 19 Jan 2017, at 10:00, David Scott <scott.dj@gmail.com
>         <mailto:scott.dj@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>             Hi,
>
>             I'm trying to increase the performance a program which
>             uses the mirage-tcpip stack (specifically vpnkit[1]
>             running on Windows). I noticed the total CPU overhead in
>             `top` was higher than I expected so I attempted to reduce
>             the overhead per byte by enabling jumbo frames. I bumped
>             the MTU of the ethernet link however this was not enough
>             -- mirage-tcpip was still sending frames of size ~1500
>             bytes. I tracked the problem down to the
>             [max_mss](https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7461805cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62
>             <https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7461805cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62>)
>             -- when I manually bumped this and recompiled, I got
>             larger frames and my TCP throughput increased from
>             500Mbit/sec to 600Mbit/sec (there are other overheads that
>             also need addressing)
>
>             So my questions is: how should this be done properly?
>             Should the TCP layer query the maximum IP datagram size
>             (derived from the underlying ethernet MTU)? Or is
>             something more complicated needed?
>
>         That sounds right -- one missing feature is that we don't have
>         Path MTU discovery in the stack, and so can only select on the
>         basis of the immediate MTU (which may be larger than some
>         intermediate hop, causing fragmentation on the wire).
>
>
>     I've thought about this a bit recently (since
>     https://github.com/mirage/mirage/issues/622#issuecomment-254513280
>     <https://github.com/mirage/mirage/issues/622#issuecomment-254513280>)
>     but have lacked the time and focus to improve the situation.  It's
>     a bit worse than the comment above implies, because we currently
>     have no concept of an MTU at all in the Ethernet implementation
>     used by mirage-tcpip's `direct` stack.
>
>     An important first step would be adding any facility for setting
>     (on `connect`, presumably) the MTU in the Ethernet layer, and
>     adding a function for querying that information to the ETHIF
>     module type so higher layers can rely on it. Right now there's no
>     mechanism for discovering that the packet to be sent is larger
>     than our own MTU, let alone one further along the path.
>
>
> Ah, I hadn't spotted that an MTU accessor function is missing! I think 
> this probably explains why the MSS value is hardcoded :)
>
> I had a go at adding a simple `mtu: t -> int` accessor to both 
> ethernet and IPv* and then patched TCP to compute the MSS from the MTU 
> of the layer beneath. As you suggested I added a `connect` parameter 
> to the ethernet layer:
>
> https://github.com/mirage/mirage-protocols/pull/4
> https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/pull/288
>
> Let me know what you think!

This is great!

Another context in which I was recently thinking about MTUs: they're one 
of the only situations I could think of where Ethif.write or 
Ethif.writev would sensibly return an `Error` that wasn't passed up the 
stack from the underlying NETIF module's `write{v}`.

>
> (There's no rush on this from my point of view -- I imagine things are 
> really busy with the release. If the shape of the interface is ok then 
> I might proceed and base further speculative work on it in branches)

I think that's pretty safe!  These patches look like the right start to me.

-Mindy

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    <p>On 01/22/2017 10:58 AM, David Scott wrote:<br>
    </p>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAG_esB3=5vKyX-Sz-+pRC-7pDBD+=untxjamtyrLNOijN1vgDg@mail.gmail.com"
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 2:40 PM,
            Mindy <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:mindy@somerandomidiot.com" target="_blank">mindy@somerandomidiot.com</a>&gt;</span>
            wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span
                class="gmail-">On 01/19/2017 04:14 AM, Anil Madhavapeddy
                wrote:<br>
                <br>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
                  0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">On
                  19 Jan 2017, at 10:00, David Scott &lt;<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:scott.dj@gmail.com" target="_blank">scott.dj@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
                    0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
                    <br>
                    I'm trying to increase the performance a program
                    which uses the mirage-tcpip stack (specifically
                    vpnkit[1] running on Windows). I noticed the total
                    CPU overhead in `top` was higher than I expected so
                    I attempted to reduce the overhead per byte by
                    enabling jumbo frames. I bumped the MTU of the
                    ethernet link however this was not enough --
                    mirage-tcpip was still sending frames of size ~1500
                    bytes. I tracked the problem down to the [max_mss](<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db428db2346a7b7461805cf233631b8f61a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62"
                      rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/m<wbr>irage/mirage-tcpip/blob/756db4<wbr>28db2346a7b7461805cf233631b8f6<wbr>1a1e/lib/tcp/window.ml#L62</a>)
                    -- when I manually bumped this and recompiled, I got
                    larger frames and my TCP throughput increased from
                    500Mbit/sec to 600Mbit/sec (there are other
                    overheads that also need addressing)<br>
                    <br>
                    So my questions is: how should this be done
                    properly? Should the TCP layer query the maximum IP
                    datagram size (derived from the underlying ethernet
                    MTU)? Or is something more complicated needed?<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  That sounds right -- one missing feature is that we
                  don't have Path MTU discovery in the stack, and so can
                  only select on the basis of the immediate MTU (which
                  may be larger than some intermediate hop, causing
                  fragmentation on the wire).<br>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
              </span>
              I've thought about this a bit recently (since <a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/mirage/mirage/issues/622#issuecomment-254513280"
                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/mirage/mira<wbr>ge/issues/622#issuecomment-<wbr>254513280</a>)
              but have lacked the time and focus to improve the
              situation.  It's a bit worse than the comment above
              implies, because we currently have no concept of an MTU at
              all in the Ethernet implementation used by mirage-tcpip's
              `direct` stack.<br>
              <br>
              An important first step would be adding any facility for
              setting (on `connect`, presumably) the MTU in the Ethernet
              layer, and adding a function for querying that information
              to the ETHIF module type so higher layers can rely on it. 
              Right now there's no mechanism for discovering that the
              packet to be sent is larger than our own MTU, let alone
              one further along the path.<br>
            </blockquote>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Ah, I hadn't spotted that an MTU accessor function is
              missing! I think this probably explains why the MSS value
              is hardcoded :)</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>I had a go at adding a simple `mtu: t -&gt; int`
              accessor to both ethernet and IPv* and then patched TCP to
              compute the MSS from the MTU of the layer beneath. As you
              suggested I added a `connect` parameter to the ethernet
              layer:</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://github.com/mirage/mirage-protocols/pull/4">https://github.com/mirage/mirage-protocols/pull/4</a><br>
            </div>
            <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/pull/288">https://github.com/mirage/mirage-tcpip/pull/288</a><br>
            </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Let me know what you think!</div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    This is great!<br>
    <br>
    Another context in which I was recently thinking about MTUs: they're
    one of the only situations I could think of where Ethif.write or
    Ethif.writev would sensibly return an `Error` that wasn't passed up
    the stack from the underlying NETIF module's `write{v}`.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAG_esB3=5vKyX-Sz-+pRC-7pDBD+=untxjamtyrLNOijN1vgDg@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">
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          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>(There's no rush on this from my point of view -- I
              imagine things are really busy with the release. If the
              shape of the interface is ok then I might proceed and base
              further speculative work on it in branches)</div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I think that's pretty safe!  These patches look like the right start
    to me.<br>
    <br>
    -Mindy<br>
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