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Is it true that the Docker acquired the Unikernel technology and MirageOS?
Thus, this technology is under Docker control and Xen can't use Unikernel without Docker license?

Cheers.
------=_Part_2623343_771106849.1594314570468-- From mirageos-devel-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Jul 09 19:15:28 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 19:15:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xenproject.org) by lists.xenproject.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jtc0k-0008Bc-8C; Thu, 09 Jul 2020 19:15:10 +0000 Received: from us1-rack-iad1.inumbo.com ([172.99.69.81]) by lists.xenproject.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jtc0i-0008BW-Qr for mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2020 19:15:08 +0000 X-Inumbo-ID: 7f7c593e-c218-11ea-b7bb-bc764e2007e4 Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.201]) by us1-rack-iad1.inumbo.com (Halon) with ESMTPS id 7f7c593e-c218-11ea-b7bb-bc764e2007e4; Thu, 09 Jul 2020 19:15:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Originating-IP: 76.235.99.158 Received: from [10.137.0.16] (76-235-99-158.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net [76.235.99.158]) (Authenticated sender: guybrush@somerandomidiot.com) by relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 04AB31BF206 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 19:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: MirageOS and Unikernel. To: mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org References: <784251130.2623344.1594314570469.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <784251130.2623344.1594314570469@mail.yahoo.com> From: Mindy Preston Message-ID: <09f020dc-56be-91c4-b273-cabfd07022c2@somerandomidiot.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 14:14:36 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <784251130.2623344.1594314570469@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C488BE677D1DDA55D1CC4934" Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Developer list for MirageOS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mirageos-devel-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Sender: "MirageOS-devel" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C488BE677D1DDA55D1CC4934 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 2020-07-09 12:09, Jason Long wrote: > Hello, > Is it true that the Docker acquired the Unikernel technology and MirageOS? > Thus, this technology is under Docker control and Xen can't use > Unikernel without Docker license? Short answer: no. Longer answer: MirageOS is permissively licensed and this did not change with Docker's acquisition of Unikernel Systems (an organization which formed after MirageOS was created and released to the public).  Work on MirageOS continued outside of Unikernel Systems and Docker before, during, and after the acquisition. -Mindy --------------C488BE677D1DDA55D1CC4934 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

On 2020-07-09 12:09, Jason Long wrote:

Hello,
Is it true that the Docker acquired the Unikernel technology and MirageOS?
Thus, this technology is under Docker control and Xen can't use Unikernel without Docker license?

Short answer: no.

Longer answer: MirageOS is permissively licensed and this did not change with Docker's acquisition of Unikernel Systems (an organization which formed after MirageOS was created and released to the public).  Work on MirageOS continued outside of Unikernel Systems and Docker before, during, and after the acquisition.

-Mindy

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[90.255.235.69]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k18sm9181751wrx.34.2020.07.10.01.48.48 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jul 2020 01:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: MirageOS and Unikernel. To: "hack3rcon@yahoo.com" , Xen-users , "mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org" References: <784251130.2623344.1594314570469.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <784251130.2623344.1594314570469@mail.yahoo.com> <919347890.2880516.1594370385847@mail.yahoo.com> From: Nick Betteridge Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 09:48:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <919347890.2880516.1594370385847@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Developer list for MirageOS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mirageos-devel-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Sender: "MirageOS-devel" > The Unikernel system was a company that invented the Unikernel. When > Docker bought it then it mean the Docker owned Unikernel technology. > Docker is for Red Hat and Red Hat working on KVM, thus... MirageOS is composed of many libraries, all of which have their own license - generally ISC - with copyright going to the authors. Docker acquired a team of people, not rights to a suit of software. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2903662_1100230023.1594381529812" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16197 YahooMailAndroidMobile YMobile/1.0 (com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail/6.8.3; Android/7.1.1; NMF26F; bbc100; BlackBerry; BBC100-1; 5.16; 1184x720; ) Content-Length: 3249 X-BeenThere: mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Developer list for MirageOS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: "hack3rcon@yahoo.com" Errors-To: mirageos-devel-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Sender: "MirageOS-devel" ------=_Part_2903662_1100230023.1594381529812 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MirageOS is a project of Xen?Why for Unikernel the Ocaml programming language needed? Why not other programming languages?In "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/cetic/unikernels/master/MEDIA/vms-containers-unikernels.PNG" photo, the Unikernel for running each App using a separate Kernel? Or a Kernel run all Apps? In photo, two kernels == two Apps. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 1:18 PM, Nick Betteridge wrote: > The Unikernel system was a company that invented the Unikernel. When > Docker bought it then it mean the Docker owned Unikernel technology. > Docker is for Red Hat and Red Hat working on KVM, thus... MirageOS is composed of many libraries, all of which have their own license - generally ISC - with copyright going to the authors. Docker acquired a team of people, not rights to a suit of software. ------=_Part_2903662_1100230023.1594381529812 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MirageOS is a project of Xen?
Why for Unikernel the Ocaml programming language needed? Why not oth= er programming languages?
In "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/cetic/unikernels/master/MEDI= A/vms-containers-unikernels.PNG" photo, the Unikernel for running each App = using a separate Kernel? Or a Kernel run all Apps? In photo, two kernels = =3D=3D two Apps.
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 1:18 PM, = Nick Betteridge
<lists.nick.betteridge@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Unikernel system was a company that invented the Unikerne= l. When
> Docker bought it then it mean the Docker ow= ned Unikernel technology.
> Docker is for Red Hat and = Red Hat working on KVM, thus...


= MirageOS is composed of many libraries, all of which have their own
license - generally ISC - with copyright going to the authors.<= br clear=3D"none">
Docker acquired a team of people, not = rights to a suit of software.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 14:42:36 +0100 In-Reply-To: <395257948.2903663.1594381529814@mail.yahoo.com> To: "hack3rcon@yahoo.com" References: <784251130.2623344.1594314570469.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <784251130.2623344.1594314570469@mail.yahoo.com> <919347890.2880516.1594370385847@mail.yahoo.com> <395257948.2903663.1594381529814@mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-BeenThere: mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Developer list for MirageOS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org" , Xen-users Errors-To: mirageos-devel-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Sender: "MirageOS-devel" --Apple-Mail=_65459BA4-A241-4612-8F41-9367DCE51E53 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 My turn! Hi! > On 10 Jul 2020, at 12:45, Jason Long wrote: >=20 > MirageOS is a project of Xen? Not sure what you mean by that=E2=80=A6? The Xen Project is a Linux Foundation Collaborative Project (or so its = webpage says). The Xen Project hosts Mirage OS as one of its unikernel projects. Xen was one of the original targets for Mirage OS, though there are now = quite a few others. > Why for Unikernel the Ocaml programming language needed? OCaml is not needed for a unikernel. It happens to be the language that = Mirage OS used.=20 (And a mighty fine language it is too, or so I am told=E2=80=A6 ;) > Why not other programming languages? Why not indeed =E2=80=94 there are many other unikernel projects that = use other programming languages. Even C these days I hear. = http://unikernel.org/projects/ has a = (likely incomplete) list. > In = "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/cetic/unikernels/master/MEDIA/vms-conta= iners-unikernels.PNG" photo, the Unikernel for running each App using a = separate Kernel? Or a Kernel run all Apps? In photo, two kernels =3D=3D = two Apps. I=E2=80=99m not sure where exactly is the source of that figure =E2=80=94 = but my gloss on it would be that the "unikernel apps=E2=80=9D (labelled = =E2=80=9CVM=E2=80=9D) each contain both the code you=E2=80=99d usually = think of as being the app, plus the functionality for which an app would = usually rely on a shared kernel as statically linked libraries. As a = result labelling both identically as =E2=80=9CKernel=E2=80=9D might be = slightly misleading as the code represented could be different in each = case (eg., the lefthand app might have a network stack but no = filesystem, the righthand app might need a filesystem but no network). >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android = > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 1:18 PM, Nick Betteridge > wrote: > > The Unikernel system was a company that invented the Unikernel. When=20= > > Docker bought it then it mean the Docker owned Unikernel technology. > > Docker is for Red Hat and Red Hat working on KVM, thus... >=20 >=20 > MirageOS is composed of many libraries, all of which have their own=20 > license - generally ISC - with copyright going to the authors. >=20 > Docker acquired a team of people, not rights to a suit of software. >=20 =E2=80=94 =20 Richard Mortier richard.mortier@cl.cam.ac.uk --Apple-Mail=_65459BA4-A241-4612-8F41-9367DCE51E53 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 My = turn! Hi!

On 10 Jul 2020, at 12:45, Jason Long <hack3rcon@yahoo.com>= wrote:

MirageOS is a project of Xen?

Not sure what you mean by that=E2=80=A6?
T= he Xen Project is a Linux Foundation Collaborative Project (or so its = webpage says).
The Xen Project hosts Mirage OS as one of its = unikernel projects.
Xen was one of the original targets for = Mirage OS, though there are now quite a few others.

Why for = Unikernel the Ocaml programming language needed? =

OCaml is not = needed for a unikernel. It happens to be the language that Mirage OS = used. 
(And a mighty fine language it is too, or so I am = told=E2=80=A6 ;)

Why not other = programming languages?

Why not indeed =E2=80=94 there are many other = unikernel projects that use other programming languages. Even C these = days I hear. http://unikernel.org/projects/ has a (likely = incomplete) list.

In "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/cetic/unikernels/master/MEDIA= /vms-containers-unikernels.PNG" photo, the Unikernel for running = each App using a separate Kernel? Or a Kernel run all Apps? In photo, = two kernels =3D=3D two Apps.

I=E2=80=99m not sure where exactly is the source of = that figure =E2=80=94 but my gloss on it would be that the "unikernel = apps=E2=80=9D (labelled =E2=80=9CVM=E2=80=9D) each contain both the code = you=E2=80=99d usually think of as being the app, plus the functionality = for which an app would usually rely on a shared kernel as statically = linked libraries. As a result labelling both identically as =E2=80=9CKerne= l=E2=80=9D might be slightly misleading as the code represented could be = different in each case (eg., the lefthand app might have a network stack = but no filesystem, the righthand app might need a filesystem but no = network).






=
=
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 1:18 PM, Nick = Betteridge
<lists.nick.betteridge@gmail.com> wrote:
=
> The Unikernel system was a company that invented = the Unikernel. When
> Docker bought it = then it mean the Docker owned Unikernel technology.
> Docker is for Red Hat and Red Hat working on KVM, = thus...


MirageOS is composed of many libraries, all of which have = their own
license - generally ISC - with = copyright going to the authors.

Docker acquired a team of people, not rights = to a suit of software.

=

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Richard Mortier




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Kern= el =3D=3D The libraries that an App need to run.
Am I right?
In the Unikernel, no operating system exist and = the Xen play the role of OS. Is it true?
The Xen hypervisor can do anything that an OS kerne= l do???
The sourc= e of photo is: https://github.com/cetic/unikernels

Can you show me a clear and better diagram abou= t Unikernel?

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------=_Part_2975526_1045331719.1594393256637-- From mirageos-devel-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Fri Jul 10 16:06:54 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 16:06:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xenproject.org) by lists.xenproject.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jtvXn-0006Cn-Tx; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 16:06:35 +0000 Received: from all-amaz-eas1.inumbo.com ([34.197.232.57] helo=us1-amaz-eas2.inumbo.com) by lists.xenproject.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jtvXm-0006CS-9m for mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 16:06:34 +0000 X-Inumbo-ID: 4ed7ec58-c2c7-11ea-8fe7-12813bfff9fa Received: from ppsw-32.csi.cam.ac.uk (unknown [131.111.8.132]) by us1-amaz-eas2.inumbo.com (Halon) with ESMTPS id 4ed7ec58-c2c7-11ea-8fe7-12813bfff9fa; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 16:06:27 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cam.ac.uk; s=20180806.ppsw; h=Sender:References:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:Date:Subject: Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=3EiqvKfuoAckCmvyOA7+6WqIulH+eEx93ZPc4awXuWA=; b=qn1yAJDjQnNA+K3121dx6cTFqr 9ifZuwnXCqOrW/DgArkDrXaSh79KD0NFsJHXMR5nrRF0RQhiW5bFEdqHJkFCVMk6Uw1wpdhGGxtbk tofgDyOsqrBKqU0AQuanwwZ1bTbCF67bTZyOzM2rrwuGr+GS9yy6KpcsuhiapOy9Oqgw=; X-Cam-AntiVirus: no malware found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://help.uis.cam.ac.uk/email-scanner-virus Received: from [90.254.230.213] (port=51262 helo=greyjay.lan) by ppsw-32.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.156]:587) with esmtpsa (PLAIN:rmm1002) (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) id 1jtvXe-000jHC-0k (Exim 4.92.3) (return-path ); Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:06:26 +0100 From: Richard Mortier Message-Id: <3AEF23C4-FA43-4029-9649-136F702D9D37@cl.cam.ac.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7B17DB30-B879-4E94-AD65-A080FBE35D7D" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: MirageOS and Unikernel. Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:06:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1101730410.2975527.1594393256638@mail.yahoo.com> To: "hack3rcon@yahoo.com" References: <784251130.2623344.1594314570469.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <784251130.2623344.1594314570469@mail.yahoo.com> <1101730410.2975527.1594393256638@mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-BeenThere: mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Developer list for MirageOS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org" , Xen-users Errors-To: mirageos-devel-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Sender: "MirageOS-devel" --Apple-Mail=_7B17DB30-B879-4E94-AD65-A080FBE35D7D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 10 Jul 2020, at 16:00, Jason Long wrote: >=20 > Thank you Richard. > Kernel =3D=3D The libraries that an App need to run. > Am I right? In the context of a unikernel, I think that=E2=80=99s a reasonable = analogy. But those libraries will not perform all the functions you would = normally expect an OS kernel to perform. > In the Unikernel, no operating system exist and the Xen play the role = of OS. Is it true? "It depends.=E2=80=9D What do you mean by the operating system? In terms of functionality, for a unikernel system, much of the = functionality you would usually rely on the operating system to perform = (in most cases, by a kernel) is provided by library code (unikernels =E2=80= =94 certainly Mirage OS =E2=80=94 are strongly inspired by library = operating systems). But not all =E2=80=94 if you are using Xen as your = host environment then yes, Xen will provide some of that functionality = as well. > The Xen hypervisor can do anything that an OS kernel do??? I don=E2=80=99t think that=E2=80=99s a well-formed question =E2=80=94 = first, you probably need to declare what an OS kernel can do. > The source of photo is: https://github.com/cetic/unikernels = >=20 > Can you show me a clear and better diagram about Unikernel? Well, it depends what you want the diagram to help explain. I don=E2=80=99= t have any to hand right now. =E2=80=94 =20 Richard Mortier richard.mortier@cl.cam.ac.uk --Apple-Mail=_7B17DB30-B879-4E94-AD65-A080FBE35D7D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On 10 Jul 2020, at 16:00, Jason Long <hack3rcon@yahoo.com>= wrote:

Thank= you Richard.
Kernel =3D=3D The libraries that an App need to = run.
Am I right?

In the context of a unikernel, I think that=E2=80=99s a = reasonable analogy.
But those libraries will not perform all = the functions you would normally expect an OS kernel to = perform.

In the = Unikernel, no operating system exist and the Xen play the role of OS. Is = it true?

"It = depends.=E2=80=9D
What do you mean by the operating = system?
In terms of functionality, for a unikernel system, = much of the functionality you would usually rely on the operating system = to perform (in most cases, by a kernel) is provided by library code = (unikernels =E2=80=94 certainly Mirage OS =E2=80=94 are strongly = inspired by library operating systems). But not all =E2=80=94 if you are = using Xen as your host environment then yes, Xen will provide some of = that functionality as well.

The Xen = hypervisor can do anything that an OS kernel = do???

I don=E2=80=99= t think that=E2=80=99s a well-formed question =E2=80=94 first, you = probably need to declare what an OS kernel can do.

The source of = photo is: https://github.com/cetic/unikernels

Can you show me a clear and better diagram about = Unikernel?

Well, = it depends what you want the diagram to help explain. I don=E2=80=99t = have any to hand right now.

=E2=80=94  
Richard Mortier




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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3113180_1894218761.1594417498712" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16197 YahooMailAndroidMobile YMobile/1.0 (com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail/6.8.3; Android/7.1.1; NMF26F; bbc100; BlackBerry; BBC100-1; 5.16; 1184x720; ) Content-Length: 8503 X-BeenThere: mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Developer list for MirageOS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: "hack3rcon@yahoo.com" Cc: "mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org" , Xen-users Errors-To: mirageos-devel-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Sender: "MirageOS-devel" ------=_Part_3113180_1894218761.1594417498712 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks.Consider Xen Dom0, it is based on Linux. When Unikernel running on X= en then its mean that it running on Linux!!!Can Xen without Dom0 handle the= Unikernel Apps?Thus, Unikernel Apps need a kernel like linux to work. Am I= right?All functions of an applications packed in Unikernel? For example, N= ginx using many libraries and OS components then how it can be convert to U= nikernel? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android=20 =20 On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 8:36 PM, Richard Mortier wrote: =20 On 10 Jul 2020, at 16:00, Jason Long wrote: Thank you Richard.Kernel =3D=3D The libraries that an App need to run.Am I = right? In the context of a unikernel, I think that=E2=80=99s a reasonable analogy.= But those libraries will not perform all the functions you would normally e= xpect an OS kernel to perform. In the Unikernel, no operating system exist and the Xen play the role of OS= . Is it true? "It depends.=E2=80=9DWhat do you mean by the operating system?In terms of f= unctionality, for a unikernel system, much of the functionality you would u= sually rely on the operating system to perform (in most cases, by a kernel)= is provided by library code (unikernels =E2=80=94 certainly Mirage OS =E2= =80=94 are strongly inspired by library operating systems). But not all =E2= =80=94 if you are using Xen as your host environment then yes, Xen will pro= vide some of that functionality as well. The Xen hypervisor can do anything that an OS kernel do??? I don=E2=80=99t think that=E2=80=99s a well-formed question =E2=80=94 first= , you probably need to declare what an OS kernel can do. The source of photo is: https://github.com/cetic/unikernels Can you show me a clear and better diagram about Unikernel? Well, it depends what you want the diagram to help explain. I don=E2=80=99t= have any to hand right now. =E2=80=94 =C2=A0Richard Mortierrichard.mortier@cl.cam.ac.uk =20 ------=_Part_3113180_1894218761.1594417498712 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks.
Consider Xen Do= m0, it is based on Linux. When Unikernel running on Xen then its mean that = it running on Linux!!!
Can Xen without Dom0 handle the Unikernel Apps?
Thus, Unikernel Apps need a kernel lik= e linux to work. Am I right?
All functions of an applications packed in Unikernel? For examp= le, Nginx using many libraries and OS components then how it can be convert= to Unikernel?


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On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 8:36 PM, Ri= chard Mortier
<richard.mortier@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
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O= n 10 Jul 2020, at 16:00, Jason Long <hack3rcon@yahoo.com> wrote= :

=
Thank you Richard.
Kernel =3D=3D= The libraries that an App need to run.
Am I right?

= In the context of a unikernel, I think that=E2=80=99s a reasonable analogy.=
But those libraries will not perform all the functions you would= normally expect an OS kernel to perform.

In the Unikernel, no operating syste= m exist and the Xen play the role of OS. Is it true?

"It depends.= =E2=80=9D
What do you mean by the operating system?
In = terms of functionality, for a unikernel system, much of the functionality y= ou would usually rely on the operating system to perform (in most cases, by= a kernel) is provided by library code (unikernels =E2=80=94 certainly Mira= ge OS =E2=80=94 are strongly inspired by library operating systems). But no= t all =E2=80=94 if you are using Xen as your host environment then yes, Xen= will provide some of that functionality as well.

The Xen hypervisor can do anythin= g that an OS kernel do???

I don=E2=80=99t think that=E2=80=99s a we= ll-formed question =E2=80=94 first, you probably need to declare what an OS= kernel can do.

The source of photo is: https://github.com/cetic/unikernels

Can you show me = a clear and better diagram about Unikernel?
<= div>
Well, it depends = what you want the diagram to help explain. I don=E2=80=99t have any to hand= right now.

=E2=80=94  
Richard Mortier




------=_Part_3113180_1894218761.1594417498712-- From mirageos-devel-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Fri Jul 10 21:48:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 21:48:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xenproject.org) by lists.xenproject.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ju0sM-0001Zl-HT; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 21:48:10 +0000 Received: from all-amaz-eas1.inumbo.com ([34.197.232.57] helo=us1-amaz-eas2.inumbo.com) by lists.xenproject.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ju0sK-0001ZY-NV for mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 21:48:08 +0000 X-Inumbo-ID: 0a183161-c2f7-11ea-9038-12813bfff9fa Received: from sonic310-43.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (unknown [74.6.135.217]) by us1-amaz-eas2.inumbo.com (Halon) with ESMTPS id 0a183161-c2f7-11ea-9038-12813bfff9fa; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 21:48:07 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1594417687; bh=HQlH5T8RAG5JqD12s3+I7mcDWFec3YT49pJfstpN6Lk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=D9mNZTMvyYOfB/HE9MbU9dj7XhGt8rGLE1tNBuPp2yUToJjrQJAegV+B3VfQ402r/6G5n8t0QBH70PxY7ygPmYvMPvIzePWs25TLqXNWa+jgMt7b5exjG7AwK0yf5/xzLiOF+eazpt8w4yc+coLPCjUGw8rhi0Wnf5h+zYoxkvqvLVujqpfi2MY+X9ee3NK4cExuKhevBf3RW0xQx6xvkb69kizt9WbFZErA/0vbk2nlLRYKyg1JJ4YAlNUzeinwf35jGbeDweTQAH+vFEr227oPPDJghbAEqRGhD6KsSSbo8DGdP2c0Fw0R9Z/LAJXEeYuEJNeEDQeZJ46LVf6KPw== X-YMail-OSG: N_6BpMEVRDvd.miR6A7lED5GPdAEx7ojsA-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic310.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 21:48:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 21:46:06 +0000 (UTC) From: Jason Long To: "bela.berde@gmail.com" Message-ID: <951520100.3111789.1594417566033@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: <784251130.2623344.1594314570469.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <784251130.2623344.1594314570469@mail.yahoo.com> <1101730410.2975527.1594393256638@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MirageOS and Unikernel. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3111788_2016243221.1594417566032" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16197 YahooMailAndroidMobile YMobile/1.0 (com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail/6.8.3; Android/7.1.1; NMF26F; bbc100; BlackBerry; BBC100-1; 5.16; 1184x720; ) Content-Length: 6226 X-BeenThere: mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Developer list for MirageOS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: "hack3rcon@yahoo.com" Cc: "mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org" , Xen-users Errors-To: mirageos-devel-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Sender: "MirageOS-devel" ------=_Part_3111788_2016243221.1594417566032 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Rumprun unikernel is KVM. I like Xen. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android=20 =20 On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 11:20 PM, Bela Berde wrote:= =20 On Fri 10 Jul 2020 at 17:05, Jason Long wrote: Thank you Richard.Kernel =3D=3D The libraries that an App need to run. NO Am I right?In the Unikernel, no operating system exist and the Xen play the= role of OS. Is it true? NO The Xen hypervisor can do anything that an OS kernel do??? NO The source of photo is: https://github.com/cetic/unikernels Can you show me a clear and better diagram about Unikernel? The name unikernel means many different things. But a real unikernel has a = definition.=C2=A0It does not need any hypervisor. It essentially needs a Vi= rtual Machine Monitor layer that has nothing to do with Virtual Machine (VM= ).=C2=A0First of all, OS libraries, meaning the OS split into libraries, ar= e linked to the app binary.=C2=A0No OS is needed anymore.=C2=A0Have a look = at Rumprun unikernel for more information, and forget Docker=E2=80=99stuff.= =C2=A0 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android --=20 Sent from iPad =20 ------=_Part_3111788_2016243221.1594417566032 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Rumprun unikernel is KVM. I like Xen.


On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 11:20 PM, Bela Berde
<bela.berde@gmail.com> wrote:


On Fri 10 Jul 2020 at 17:05, Jason Long <hack3rcon@yahoo.com> wrote:=
Thank= you Richard.
Kernel =3D=3D The libraries that an App need to r= un.
NO
Am I right?
In the U= nikernel, no operating system exist and the Xen play the role of OS. Is it = true?
NO
The Xen hypervisor can do anything t= hat an OS kernel do???
NO
The source of photo= is: https://github.com/cetic/unikernels

Can you show me a clear and be= tter diagram about Unikernel?

The name unikernel means many different things. But a real unikerne= l has a definition. 
It does not need any hypervisor. It ess= entially needs a Virtual Machine Monitor layer that has nothing to do with = Virtual Machine (VM). 
First of all, OS libraries, meaning t= he OS split into libraries, are linked to the app binary. 
N= o OS is needed anymore. 
Have a look at Rumprun unikernel fo= r more information, and forget Docker=E2=80=99stuff. 
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Sent from iPad
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On Fri 10 Jul 2020 at 17:05, Jason Long <hack3rcon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank you Richard.
Kernel =3D=3D The libraries that = an App need to run.
NO
Am I right?
In the Unikernel, no operating s= ystem exist and the Xen play the role of OS. Is it true?
=
NO
The Xen hype= rvisor can do anything that an OS kernel do???
NO
The source of photo = is: https://github.com/cet= ic/unikernels

Can you show me a clear and better diagram= about Unikernel?

The name unikernel means many different things. But a real unikernel= has a definition.=C2=A0
It does not need any hyperv= isor. It essentially needs a Virtual Machine Monitor layer that has nothing= to do with Virtual Machine (VM).=C2=A0
First of all= , OS libraries, meaning the OS split into libraries, are linked to the app = binary.=C2=A0
No OS is needed anymore.=C2=A0
Have a look at Rumprun unikernel for more information, and = forget Docker=E2=80=99stuff.=C2=A0

=
Sent from Yahoo Mail on= Android
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