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Anyone up for it?

I think it would be something cool to have, given how nice FOSDEM
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If it'd be from someone who also gave a presentation, it of course can
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I'll send a proper update late, but the pipeline looks like this:
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I know that Goerge has something next to ready, but that's not about
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Anyone up for it?

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I can't : please someone step up
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Anyone up for it?

I think it would be something cool to have, given how nice FOSDEM went! :-)

If it'd be from someone who also gave a presentation, it of course can include some details about the talk itself.

I'll send a proper update late, but the pipeline looks like this:
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 * Stefano

I know that Goerge has something next to ready, but that's not about FOSDEM, so I'd be inclined to postpone. OTOH, Julien and Stefano both gave talks... Any chance you guys are up for writing something? :-)

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I'll send a proper update late, but the pipeline looks like this:
 * Goerge
 * Julien
 * Stefano

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On gio, 2014-02-06 at 14:46 +0100, Lars Kurth wrote:
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Indeed.

Just as an example, something like this one from last year would be
great:
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On gio, 2014-02-06 at 14:46 +0100, Lars Kurth wrote:
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I uploaded them to 
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On 06/02/2014 13:54, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On gio, 2014-02-06 at 14:46 +0100, Lars Kurth wrote:
>> I can't : please someone step up
>>
> Indeed.
>
> Just as an example, something like this one from last year would be
> great:
>   http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2013/02/05/fosdem13-personal-impressions/
>
> BTW, Lars, do you have at least a picture of the booth and/or devroom?
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> If you do, even if you can't write the post, can you share them somehow,
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> Dario
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I uploaded them to 
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B404FrB3gtj2UmpoN1dQNVJCT0k&usp=sharing 
(you should be able to access without logging in). Some are a bit blurred

Lars

On 06/02/2014 13:54, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On gio, 2014-02-06 at 14:46 +0100, Lars Kurth wrote:
>> I can't : please someone step up
>>
> Indeed.
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> Just as an example, something like this one from last year would be
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> BTW, Lars, do you have at least a picture of the booth and/or devroom?
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> If you do, even if you can't write the post, can you share them somehow,
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CCing Amir, who is working on a fosdem post on some of the mirage-related activities.

-a

On 5 Feb 2014, at 12:14, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:

> Anyone up for it?
> 
> I think it would be something cool to have, given how nice FOSDEM
> went! :-)
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> include some details about the talk itself.
> 
> I'll send a proper update late, but the pipeline looks like this:
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> * Julien
> * Stefano
> 
> I know that Goerge has something next to ready, but that's not about
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CCing Amir, who is working on a fosdem post on some of the mirage-related activities.

-a

On 5 Feb 2014, at 12:14, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:

> Anyone up for it?
> 
> I think it would be something cool to have, given how nice FOSDEM
> went! :-)
> 
> If it'd be from someone who also gave a presentation, it of course can
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> 
> I'll send a proper update late, but the pipeline looks like this:
> * Goerge
> * Julien
> * Stefano
> 
> I know that Goerge has something next to ready, but that's not about
> FOSDEM, so I'd be inclined to postpone. OTOH, Julien and Stefano both
> gave talks... Any chance you guys are up for writing something? :-)
> 
> Thanks and Regards,
> Dario
> 
> -- 
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I'm planning a FOSDEM writeup for the Nymote site (nymote.org), which I'll be working on tomorrow.  It'll cover some of the mirage stuff as well as other things I saw at the event (specifically the Mail dev room and the Internet of Things devroom).

ac

On 6 Feb 2014, at 18:24, Anil Madhavapeddy <anil@recoil.org> wrote:

> CCing Amir, who is working on a fosdem post on some of the mirage-related activities.
> 
> -a
> 
> On 5 Feb 2014, at 12:14, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:
> 
>> Anyone up for it?
>> 
>> I think it would be something cool to have, given how nice FOSDEM
>> went! :-)
>> 
>> If it'd be from someone who also gave a presentation, it of course can
>> include some details about the talk itself.
>> 
>> I'll send a proper update late, but the pipeline looks like this:
>> * Goerge
>> * Julien
>> * Stefano
>> 
>> I know that Goerge has something next to ready, but that's not about
>> FOSDEM, so I'd be inclined to postpone. OTOH, Julien and Stefano both
>> gave talks... Any chance you guys are up for writing something? :-)
>> 
>> Thanks and Regards,
>> Dario
>> 
>> -- 
>> <<This happens because I choose it to happen!>> (Raistlin Majere)
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Dario Faggioli, Ph.D, http://about.me/dario.faggioli
>> Senior Software Engineer, Citrix Systems R&D Ltd., Cambridge (UK)
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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I'm planning a FOSDEM writeup for the Nymote site (nymote.org), which I'll be working on tomorrow.  It'll cover some of the mirage stuff as well as other things I saw at the event (specifically the Mail dev room and the Internet of Things devroom).

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On 6 Feb 2014, at 18:24, Anil Madhavapeddy <anil@recoil.org> wrote:

> CCing Amir, who is working on a fosdem post on some of the mirage-related activities.
> 
> -a
> 
> On 5 Feb 2014, at 12:14, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:
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>> Anyone up for it?
>> 
>> I think it would be something cool to have, given how nice FOSDEM
>> went! :-)
>> 
>> If it'd be from someone who also gave a presentation, it of course can
>> include some details about the talk itself.
>> 
>> I'll send a proper update late, but the pipeline looks like this:
>> * Goerge
>> * Julien
>> * Stefano
>> 
>> I know that Goerge has something next to ready, but that's not about
>> FOSDEM, so I'd be inclined to postpone. OTOH, Julien and Stefano both
>> gave talks... Any chance you guys are up for writing something? :-)
>> 
>> Thanks and Regards,
>> Dario
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On gio, 2014-02-06 at 14:06 +0000, Lars Kurth wrote:
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Ok, thanks. Seems like no one is up for that... I guess I can put
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> Some are a bit blurred
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On gio, 2014-02-06 at 14:06 +0000, Lars Kurth wrote:
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Ok, thanks. Seems like no one is up for that... I guess I can put
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> Some are a bit blurred
>=20
Ok, I'll try to use the best quality one.

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On gio, 2014-02-06 at 18:27 +0000, Amir Chaudhry wrote:
> I'm planning a FOSDEM writeup for the Nymote site (nymote.org), which I'l=
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On 7 Feb 2014, at 12:01, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:

> On gio, 2014-02-06 at 18:27 +0000, Amir Chaudhry wrote:
>> I'm planning a FOSDEM writeup for the Nymote site (nymote.org), which I'll be working on tomorrow.  It'll cover some of the mirage stuff as well as other things I saw at the event (specifically the Mail dev room and the Internet of Things devroom).
>> 
> Right... Very cool, actually! :-)
> 
> Feel free to mention any of the Xen activities that went on there, e.g.,
> the MirageOS demo at the booth.

I will do.  I was very interested in the Xen/ARM talk in the Automotive devroom but didn't manage to make it.  If anyone has comments on how it went and the types of questions people asked, that would be very useful.

Lars, d'you have that pic of Mort explaining Mirage to the kid?  I'd like to include that in my post if that's ok.

> I'll work out something myself ASAP and let the list know when it's
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> On gio, 2014-02-06 at 18:27 +0000, Amir Chaudhry wrote:
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>> 
> Right... Very cool, actually! :-)
> 
> Feel free to mention any of the Xen activities that went on there, e.g.,
> the MirageOS demo at the booth.

I will do.  I was very interested in the Xen/ARM talk in the Automotive devroom but didn't manage to make it.  If anyone has comments on how it went and the types of questions people asked, that would be very useful.

Lars, d'you have that pic of Mort explaining Mirage to the kid?  I'd like to include that in my post if that's ok.

> I'll work out something myself ASAP and let the list know when it's
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On ven, 2014-02-07 at 12:32 +0000, Amir Chaudhry wrote:
> On 7 Feb 2014, at 12:01, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote=
:
>
> > Feel free to mention any of the Xen activities that went on there, e.g.=
,
> > the MirageOS demo at the booth.
>=20
> I will do.  I was very interested in the Xen/ARM talk in the Automotive d=
evroom but didn't manage to make it.  If anyone has comments on how it went=
 and the types of questions people asked, that would be very useful.
>=20
What I know for sure is that it went pretty well. Lots of people, lots
of questions, a lot of interest! :-)

Stefano is the one who gave it, so he's probably able to give more
details or answer more specific questions.

> I'm running late with admin things today so it's unlikely I'll get anythi=
ng live.=20
> I'll send you a link when I get the post up and I'll definitely link back=
 to the Xen post.
>=20
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anyway, so that we can make the proper fuss about your article, when it
goes live.

Thanks and Regards,
Dario

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On ven, 2014-02-07 at 12:32 +0000, Amir Chaudhry wrote:
> On 7 Feb 2014, at 12:01, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote=
:
>
> > Feel free to mention any of the Xen activities that went on there, e.g.=
,
> > the MirageOS demo at the booth.
>=20
> I will do.  I was very interested in the Xen/ARM talk in the Automotive d=
evroom but didn't manage to make it.  If anyone has comments on how it went=
 and the types of questions people asked, that would be very useful.
>=20
What I know for sure is that it went pretty well. Lots of people, lots
of questions, a lot of interest! :-)

Stefano is the one who gave it, so he's probably able to give more
details or answer more specific questions.

> I'm running late with admin things today so it's unlikely I'll get anythi=
ng live.=20
> I'll send you a link when I get the post up and I'll definitely link back=
 to the Xen post.
>=20
Ok, let's see how far I do get then. Even if late, send the link here=20
anyway, so that we can make the proper fuss about your article, when it
goes live.

Thanks and Regards,
Dario

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On mer, 2014-02-05 at 13:14 +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> Anyone up for it?
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There is a draft here:
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I know it's late, but couldn't do better, sorry.

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On mer, 2014-02-05 at 13:14 +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:
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There is a draft here:
http://blog.xen.org/?p=3D8731&preview=3Dtrue

I know it's late, but couldn't do better, sorry.

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On 07/02/2014 16:13, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On mer, 2014-02-05 at 13:14 +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>> Anyone up for it?
>>
> There is a draft here:
> http://blog.xen.org/?p=8731&preview=true
>
> I know it's late, but couldn't do better, sorry.
>
> I'm still reviewing it myself, and adding some of Lars's pictures, but
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> very very soon (like in 1hr?).
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On 07/02/2014 16:13, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On mer, 2014-02-05 at 13:14 +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>> Anyone up for it?
>>
> There is a draft here:
> http://blog.xen.org/?p=8731&preview=true
>
> I know it's late, but couldn't do better, sorry.
>
> I'm still reviewing it myself, and adding some of Lars's pictures, but
> someone could give me an opinion on the writeup, I'd like to publish it
> very very soon (like in 1hr?).
Dario. I have a meeting now. Do you mind if I go in and make some edits 
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reposting at Open @ Citrix too (pointing to your post)

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On ven, 2014-02-07 at 16:22 +0000, Lars Kurth wrote:
> On 07/02/2014 16:13, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> > On mer, 2014-02-05 at 13:14 +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:

> > I'm still reviewing it myself, and adding some of Lars's pictures, but
> > someone could give me an opinion on the writeup, I'd like to publish it
> > very very soon (like in 1hr?).
> Dario. I have a meeting now. Do you mind if I go in and make some edits=
=20
> later and then publish?
> It's just grammar and style stuff which needs fixing : I was thinking of=
=20
> reposting at Open @ Citrix too (pointing to your post)
>=20
That's perfectly fine. Last touches from me coming right now. I'll be
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Dario

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On ven, 2014-02-07 at 16:22 +0000, Lars Kurth wrote:
> On 07/02/2014 16:13, Dario Faggioli wrote:
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> > I'm still reviewing it myself, and adding some of Lars's pictures, but
> > someone could give me an opinion on the writeup, I'd like to publish it
> > very very soon (like in 1hr?).
> Dario. I have a meeting now. Do you mind if I go in and make some edits=
=20
> later and then publish?
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=20
> reposting at Open @ Citrix too (pointing to your post)
>=20
That's perfectly fine. Last touches from me coming right now. I'll be
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Dario

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Hi Dario.

I made some edits, mostly grammar changes, online. Are you able to add
specifics about the people you talked with who are using Xen? Might be a
way to increase the blog's exposure on social channels too.

Thanks,


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Dario Faggioli
<dario.faggioli@citrix.com>wrote:

> On mer, 2014-02-05 at 13:14 +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> > Anyone up for it?
> >
> There is a draft here:
> http://blog.xen.org/?p=8731&preview=true
>
> I know it's late, but couldn't do better, sorry.
>
> I'm still reviewing it myself, and adding some of Lars's pictures, but
> someone could give me an opinion on the writeup, I'd like to publish it
> very very soon (like in 1hr?).
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Dario
>
> --
> <<This happens because I choose it to happen!>> (Raistlin Majere)
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Dario Faggioli, Ph.D, http://about.me/dario.faggioli
> Senior Software Engineer, Citrix Systems R&D Ltd., Cambridge (UK)
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Dario.<div><br></div><div>I made some edits, mostly gra=
mmar changes, online. Are you able to add specifics about the people you ta=
lked with who are using Xen? Might be a way to increase the blog&#39;s expo=
sure on social channels too.</div>
<div><br>Thanks,</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Dario Faggioli <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dario.faggioli@citrix.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>dario.faggioli@citrix.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On mer, 2014-02-05 at 13:1=
4 +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:<br>
&gt; Anyone up for it?<br>
&gt;<br>
</div>There is a draft here:<br>
<a href=3D"http://blog.xen.org/?p=3D8731&amp;preview=3Dtrue" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://blog.xen.org/?p=3D8731&amp;preview=3Dtrue</a><br>
<br>
I know it&#39;s late, but couldn&#39;t do better, sorry.<br>
<br>
I&#39;m still reviewing it myself, and adding some of Lars&#39;s pictures, =
but<br>
someone could give me an opinion on the writeup, I&#39;d like to publish it=
<br>
very very soon (like in 1hr?).<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
Thanks and Regards,<br>
Dario<br>
<br>
--<br>
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Senior Software Engineer, Citrix Systems R&amp;D Ltd., Cambridge (UK)<br>
<br>
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Hi Dario.

I made some edits, mostly grammar changes, online. Are you able to add
specifics about the people you talked with who are using Xen? Might be a
way to increase the blog's exposure on social channels too.

Thanks,


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Dario Faggioli
<dario.faggioli@citrix.com>wrote:

> On mer, 2014-02-05 at 13:14 +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> > Anyone up for it?
> >
> There is a draft here:
> http://blog.xen.org/?p=8731&preview=true
>
> I know it's late, but couldn't do better, sorry.
>
> I'm still reviewing it myself, and adding some of Lars's pictures, but
> someone could give me an opinion on the writeup, I'd like to publish it
> very very soon (like in 1hr?).
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Dario
>
> --
> <<This happens because I choose it to happen!>> (Raistlin Majere)
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Dario Faggioli, Ph.D, http://about.me/dario.faggioli
> Senior Software Engineer, Citrix Systems R&D Ltd., Cambridge (UK)
>
>


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lked with who are using Xen? Might be a way to increase the blog&#39;s expo=
sure on social channels too.</div>
<div><br>Thanks,</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Dario Faggioli <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dario.faggioli@citrix.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>dario.faggioli@citrix.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On mer, 2014-02-05 at 13:1=
4 +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:<br>
&gt; Anyone up for it?<br>
&gt;<br>
</div>There is a draft here:<br>
<a href=3D"http://blog.xen.org/?p=3D8731&amp;preview=3Dtrue" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://blog.xen.org/?p=3D8731&amp;preview=3Dtrue</a><br>
<br>
I know it&#39;s late, but couldn&#39;t do better, sorry.<br>
<br>
I&#39;m still reviewing it myself, and adding some of Lars&#39;s pictures, =
but<br>
someone could give me an opinion on the writeup, I&#39;d like to publish it=
<br>
very very soon (like in 1hr?).<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
Thanks and Regards,<br>
Dario<br>
<br>
--<br>
&lt;&lt;This happens because I choose it to happen!&gt;&gt; (Raistlin Majer=
e)<br>
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On ven, 2014-02-07 at 11:56 -0500, Sarah Conway wrote:
> Hi Dario.
>=20
Hi,

> I made some edits, mostly grammar changes, online.=20
>
Thanks.

> Are you able to add specifics about the people you talked with who are
> using Xen? Might be a way to increase the blog's exposure on social
> channels too.
>=20
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it?".

This year, _not_a_single_occurrence_ of the above questions and attitude
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I tried to have the post reflect this, but I know I'm not very good at
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Thanks and regards,
Dario

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>
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> Are you able to add specifics about the people you talked with who are
> using Xen? Might be a way to increase the blog's exposure on social
> channels too.
>=20
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home, or at work in "small" companies (that they either own or work
for), which names they often didn't even mention.

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friends from Amazon, but then it is no big news that these two firms are
interested in / are using Xen already, I guess.

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perceived outside, by a crowd like the one attending FOSDEM (so Open
Source advanced users and developers).
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On ven, 2014-02-07 at 17:28 +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On ven, 2014-02-07 at 16:22 +0000, Lars Kurth wrote:

> > Dario. I have a meeting now. Do you mind if I go in and make some edits=
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> > later and then publish?
> >=20
> That's perfectly fine. Last touches from me coming right now. I'll be
> done in 5 mins, and it will be in your hands from then... go ahead
> changing and publishing at your ease and convenience!
>=20
One thing. I'm done, even putting pictures there. The two big ones, I
like. The two smaller 'vertical' one, don't seem like they align
properly with the text... I tried, but couldn't do any better than how
it looks now, sorry. :-(

Perhaps have a look at this (of course, feel free to change everything
you like, I was just pointing out what I'd do :-D).

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On ven, 2014-02-07 at 17:28 +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On ven, 2014-02-07 at 16:22 +0000, Lars Kurth wrote:

> > Dario. I have a meeting now. Do you mind if I go in and make some edits=
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> > later and then publish?
> >=20
> That's perfectly fine. Last touches from me coming right now. I'll be
> done in 5 mins, and it will be in your hands from then... go ahead
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>=20
One thing. I'm done, even putting pictures there. The two big ones, I
like. The two smaller 'vertical' one, don't seem like they align
properly with the text... I tried, but couldn't do any better than how
it looks now, sorry. :-(

Perhaps have a look at this (of course, feel free to change everything
you like, I was just pointing out what I'd do :-D).

Dario

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On 02/07/2014 05:23 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
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On 02/07/2014 05:23 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> What changed, IMHO, as compared to last year, was how the project is
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> Last year I got a couple of those annoying question like "why you're
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>
> This year, _not_a_single_occurrence_ of the above questions and attitude
> showed up, which was very good! :-P

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On ven, 2014-02-07 at 17:37 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
> On 02/07/2014 05:23 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> > What changed, IMHO, as compared to last year, was how the project is
> > perceived outside, by a crowd like the one attending FOSDEM (so Open
> > Source advanced users and developers).
> > Last year I got a couple of those annoying question like "why you're
> > here, xen is not open source?" or "isn't xen dead already?" or "we don'=
t
> > need you, there is <another_open_source_virtualization_solution>, isn't
> > it?".
> >
> > This year, _not_a_single_occurrence_ of the above questions and attitud=
e
> > showed up, which was very good! :-P
>=20
> On the contrary, a large number of people wanted to *buy* t-shirts=20
> (i.e., asked how much they were and were surprised they were free). At=
=20
> least a handful of people actually tried to donate money to us! That's=
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> quite a big change.
>
Yeah, that too... I had a couple which were literally trying to put a 10
euros note in one of my pocket... I mean, physically! :-P
>=20
> As an aside, I think we need to have a better answer when people ask=20
> that.  I was thinking something like,=20
>
Indeed.

> "The XenProject is actually funded=20
> by a board of about a dozen corporations, so we have plenty of money. =
=20
>
EhEh, nice one!

> But what we can't really buy is people testing new Xen releases, giving=
=20
> good bug reports, and talking about Xen.  Those are all great ways to=20
> support the project."
>=20
=3D=3D
A T-Shirt For a Bug Report
=3D=3D

I like it! I think we can think about something nice and fun enough for
next round... Something like writing a 'fake' contract where the person
agrees on testing and sending a report, in return of having got the
t-shirt for free! Of course, we could put any kind of info about Xen on
the "contract" (including, of course, how to test it!).

The only thing I don't like is that it looks a bit of a waste to print
so much sheets... Perhaps we can use recycled paper. Or, if the event is
one of the ones with badges (like OSCON and LinuxCon), we can just scan
them and send the thing by e-mail!!

Ok... Better go downstairs cooking dinner, I guess :-P

Dario

--=20
<<This happens because I choose it to happen!>> (Raistlin Majere)
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On ven, 2014-02-07 at 17:37 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
> On 02/07/2014 05:23 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> > What changed, IMHO, as compared to last year, was how the project is
> > perceived outside, by a crowd like the one attending FOSDEM (so Open
> > Source advanced users and developers).
> > Last year I got a couple of those annoying question like "why you're
> > here, xen is not open source?" or "isn't xen dead already?" or "we don'=
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EhEh, nice one!

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I like it! I think we can think about something nice and fun enough for
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Ok... Better go downstairs cooking dinner, I guess :-P

Dario

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Dario,
went over it and changed most issues. Mainly I shortened sentences and 
fixed small errors. It's published now. Feel free to go in and make changes
Lars

On 07/02/2014 18:23, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On ven, 2014-02-07 at 17:37 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
>> On 02/07/2014 05:23 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>>> What changed, IMHO, as compared to last year, was how the project is
>>> perceived outside, by a crowd like the one attending FOSDEM (so Open
>>> Source advanced users and developers).
>>> Last year I got a couple of those annoying question like "why you're
>>> here, xen is not open source?" or "isn't xen dead already?" or "we don't
>>> need you, there is <another_open_source_virtualization_solution>, isn't
>>> it?".
>>>
>>> This year, _not_a_single_occurrence_ of the above questions and attitude
>>> showed up, which was very good! :-P
>> On the contrary, a large number of people wanted to *buy* t-shirts
>> (i.e., asked how much they were and were surprised they were free). At
>> least a handful of people actually tried to donate money to us! That's
>> quite a big change.
>>
> Yeah, that too... I had a couple which were literally trying to put a 10
> euros note in one of my pocket... I mean, physically! :-P
>> As an aside, I think we need to have a better answer when people ask
>> that.  I was thinking something like,
>>
> Indeed.
>
>> "The XenProject is actually funded
>> by a board of about a dozen corporations, so we have plenty of money.
>>
> EhEh, nice one!
>
>> But what we can't really buy is people testing new Xen releases, giving
>> good bug reports, and talking about Xen.  Those are all great ways to
>> support the project."
>>
> ==
> A T-Shirt For a Bug Report
> ==
>
> I like it! I think we can think about something nice and fun enough for
> next round... Something like writing a 'fake' contract where the person
> agrees on testing and sending a report, in return of having got the
> t-shirt for free! Of course, we could put any kind of info about Xen on
> the "contract" (including, of course, how to test it!).
>
> The only thing I don't like is that it looks a bit of a waste to print
> so much sheets... Perhaps we can use recycled paper. Or, if the event is
> one of the ones with badges (like OSCON and LinuxCon), we can just scan
> them and send the thing by e-mail!!
>
> Ok... Better go downstairs cooking dinner, I guess :-P
>
> Dario
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dario,<br>
      went over it and changed most issues. Mainly I shortened sentences
      and fixed small errors. It's published now. Feel free to go in and
      make changes<br>
      Lars<br>
      <br>
      On 07/02/2014 18:23, Dario Faggioli wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      <pre wrap="">On ven, 2014-02-07 at 17:37 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
</pre>
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        <pre wrap="">On 02/07/2014 05:23 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
</pre>
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <pre wrap="">What changed, IMHO, as compared to last year, was how the project is
perceived outside, by a crowd like the one attending FOSDEM (so Open
Source advanced users and developers).
Last year I got a couple of those annoying question like "why you're
here, xen is not open source?" or "isn't xen dead already?" or "we don't
need you, there is &lt;another_open_source_virtualization_solution&gt;, isn't
it?".

This year, _not_a_single_occurrence_ of the above questions and attitude
showed up, which was very good! :-P
</pre>
        </blockquote>
        <pre wrap="">
On the contrary, a large number of people wanted to *buy* t-shirts 
(i.e., asked how much they were and were surprised they were free). At 
least a handful of people actually tried to donate money to us! That's 
quite a big change.

</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">Yeah, that too... I had a couple which were literally trying to put a 10
euros note in one of my pocket... I mean, physically! :-P
</pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">
As an aside, I think we need to have a better answer when people ask 
that.  I was thinking something like, 

</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">Indeed.

</pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">"The XenProject is actually funded 
by a board of about a dozen corporations, so we have plenty of money.  

</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">EhEh, nice one!

</pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">But what we can't really buy is people testing new Xen releases, giving 
good bug reports, and talking about Xen.  Those are all great ways to 
support the project."

</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">==
A T-Shirt For a Bug Report
==

I like it! I think we can think about something nice and fun enough for
next round... Something like writing a 'fake' contract where the person
agrees on testing and sending a report, in return of having got the
t-shirt for free! Of course, we could put any kind of info about Xen on
the "contract" (including, of course, how to test it!).

The only thing I don't like is that it looks a bit of a waste to print
so much sheets... Perhaps we can use recycled paper. Or, if the event is
one of the ones with badges (like OSCON and LinuxCon), we can just scan
them and send the thing by e-mail!!

Ok... Better go downstairs cooking dinner, I guess :-P

Dario

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Dario,
went over it and changed most issues. Mainly I shortened sentences and 
fixed small errors. It's published now. Feel free to go in and make changes
Lars

On 07/02/2014 18:23, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On ven, 2014-02-07 at 17:37 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
>> On 02/07/2014 05:23 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>>> What changed, IMHO, as compared to last year, was how the project is
>>> perceived outside, by a crowd like the one attending FOSDEM (so Open
>>> Source advanced users and developers).
>>> Last year I got a couple of those annoying question like "why you're
>>> here, xen is not open source?" or "isn't xen dead already?" or "we don't
>>> need you, there is <another_open_source_virtualization_solution>, isn't
>>> it?".
>>>
>>> This year, _not_a_single_occurrence_ of the above questions and attitude
>>> showed up, which was very good! :-P
>> On the contrary, a large number of people wanted to *buy* t-shirts
>> (i.e., asked how much they were and were surprised they were free). At
>> least a handful of people actually tried to donate money to us! That's
>> quite a big change.
>>
> Yeah, that too... I had a couple which were literally trying to put a 10
> euros note in one of my pocket... I mean, physically! :-P
>> As an aside, I think we need to have a better answer when people ask
>> that.  I was thinking something like,
>>
> Indeed.
>
>> "The XenProject is actually funded
>> by a board of about a dozen corporations, so we have plenty of money.
>>
> EhEh, nice one!
>
>> But what we can't really buy is people testing new Xen releases, giving
>> good bug reports, and talking about Xen.  Those are all great ways to
>> support the project."
>>
> ==
> A T-Shirt For a Bug Report
> ==
>
> I like it! I think we can think about something nice and fun enough for
> next round... Something like writing a 'fake' contract where the person
> agrees on testing and sending a report, in return of having got the
> t-shirt for free! Of course, we could put any kind of info about Xen on
> the "contract" (including, of course, how to test it!).
>
> The only thing I don't like is that it looks a bit of a waste to print
> so much sheets... Perhaps we can use recycled paper. Or, if the event is
> one of the ones with badges (like OSCON and LinuxCon), we can just scan
> them and send the thing by e-mail!!
>
> Ok... Better go downstairs cooking dinner, I guess :-P
>
> Dario
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dario,<br>
      went over it and changed most issues. Mainly I shortened sentences
      and fixed small errors. It's published now. Feel free to go in and
      make changes<br>
      Lars<br>
      <br>
      On 07/02/2014 18:23, Dario Faggioli wrote:<br>
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      <pre wrap="">On ven, 2014-02-07 at 17:37 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
</pre>
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        <pre wrap="">On 02/07/2014 05:23 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
</pre>
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <pre wrap="">What changed, IMHO, as compared to last year, was how the project is
perceived outside, by a crowd like the one attending FOSDEM (so Open
Source advanced users and developers).
Last year I got a couple of those annoying question like "why you're
here, xen is not open source?" or "isn't xen dead already?" or "we don't
need you, there is &lt;another_open_source_virtualization_solution&gt;, isn't
it?".

This year, _not_a_single_occurrence_ of the above questions and attitude
showed up, which was very good! :-P
</pre>
        </blockquote>
        <pre wrap="">
On the contrary, a large number of people wanted to *buy* t-shirts 
(i.e., asked how much they were and were surprised they were free). At 
least a handful of people actually tried to donate money to us! That's 
quite a big change.

</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">Yeah, that too... I had a couple which were literally trying to put a 10
euros note in one of my pocket... I mean, physically! :-P
</pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">
As an aside, I think we need to have a better answer when people ask 
that.  I was thinking something like, 

</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">Indeed.

</pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">"The XenProject is actually funded 
by a board of about a dozen corporations, so we have plenty of money.  

</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">EhEh, nice one!

</pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">But what we can't really buy is people testing new Xen releases, giving 
good bug reports, and talking about Xen.  Those are all great ways to 
support the project."

</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">==
A T-Shirt For a Bug Report
==

I like it! I think we can think about something nice and fun enough for
next round... Something like writing a 'fake' contract where the person
agrees on testing and sending a report, in return of having got the
t-shirt for free! Of course, we could put any kind of info about Xen on
the "contract" (including, of course, how to test it!).

The only thing I don't like is that it looks a bit of a waste to print
so much sheets... Perhaps we can use recycled paper. Or, if the event is
one of the ones with badges (like OSCON and LinuxCon), we can just scan
them and send the thing by e-mail!!

Ok... Better go downstairs cooking dinner, I guess :-P

Dario

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On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 07:23:09PM +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On ven, 2014-02-07 at 17:37 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
> > On 02/07/2014 05:23 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> > > What changed, IMHO, as compared to last year, was how the project is
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> > > Source advanced users and developers).
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> > > here, xen is not open source?" or "isn't xen dead already?" or "we don't
> > > need you, there is <another_open_source_virtualization_solution>, isn't
> > > it?".
> > >
> > > This year, _not_a_single_occurrence_ of the above questions and attitude
> > > showed up, which was very good! :-P
> > 
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> > quite a big change.
> >
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On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 07:23:09PM +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On ven, 2014-02-07 at 17:37 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
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> > > here, xen is not open source?" or "isn't xen dead already?" or "we don't
> > > need you, there is <another_open_source_virtualization_solution>, isn't
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> > >
> > > This year, _not_a_single_occurrence_ of the above questions and attitude
> > > showed up, which was very good! :-P
> > 
> > On the contrary, a large number of people wanted to *buy* t-shirts 
> > (i.e., asked how much they were and were surprised they were free). At 
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> > quite a big change.
> >
> Yeah, that too... I had a couple which were literally trying to put a 10
> euros note in one of my pocket... I mean, physically! :-P

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-------- Original Message --------
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From: 	Olivier Lambert <lambert.olivier@gmail.com>
To: 	Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@xen.org>



Hi Lars,

Here we are:
https://xen-orchestra.com/new-major-release-for-xen-orchestra/


:)



Olivier




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Here we are:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://xen-orchestra.com/new-major-release-for-xen-orchestra/">https://xen-orchestra.com/new-major-release-for-xen-orchestra/</a>


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Hi Lars,

Here we are:
https://xen-orchestra.com/new-major-release-for-xen-orchestra/


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Here we are:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://xen-orchestra.com/new-major-release-for-xen-orchestra/">https://xen-orchestra.com/new-major-release-for-xen-orchestra/</a>


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Interesting article on commoditization of hypervisor technology. Charles
Babcock's take is that it is not upsetting VMWare's position in the market-
yet. Microsoft and Red Hat get a mention.

http://www.informationweek.com/cloud/infrastructure-as-a-service/vmware-navigates-high-wire-act/d/d-id/1113759

Would be great to follow up with Babcock regarding how much more Xen is in
use at the end of 2013 vs. 2012. He's also very interested in end users, so
if we could share some new names wit him that would likely pique his
interest. It would be useful to include these stats. when approaching him
with the upcoming 4.4 release too.

Thanks,

Some interesting quotes from the article:

There was doubtless more Microsoft Hyper-V and Red Hat KVM in use at the
end of 2013 than there was at the end of 2012, so some commoditization is
happening.

But there remains a huge market for virtualization. Gartner says 68% of the
x86 part of the datacenter was virtualized at the end of 2013, up from just
21% in 2008. By 2016, that figure is expected to hit 84%, Gartner predicts.
That means more license fees flowing out of VMware's core business as long
as customers rely on it to continue the conversion of their data centers.

One VMware customer, Covance <http://www.covance.com/>
<http://www.covance.com/>in
Princeton, N.J., found that vCloud Automation Center, "reduced the service
cycle time from a month to a day," Sayar said.

...VMware's fourth quarter shows that it has the revenue to finance more
development of management products and that there is a growing market for
them. Commoditization is going on at the hypervisor level. VMware keeps
elevating its product line above that.

-- 
Sarah Conway
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Interesting article on commoditization of hypervisor =
technology. Charles Babcock&#39;s take is that it is not upsetting VMWare&#=
39;s position in the market- yet. Microsoft and Red Hat get a mention.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.informationweek.com/cloud/i=
nfrastructure-as-a-service/vmware-navigates-high-wire-act/d/d-id/1113759">h=
ttp://www.informationweek.com/cloud/infrastructure-as-a-service/vmware-navi=
gates-high-wire-act/d/d-id/1113759</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>Would be great to follow up with Babcock regardin=
g how much more Xen is in use at the end of 2013 vs. 2012. He&#39;s also ve=
ry interested in end users, so if we could share some new names wit him tha=
t would likely pique his interest. It would be useful to include these stat=
s. when approaching him with the upcoming 4.4 release too.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br><div><br></div><div>Some interesting quotes =
from the article:</div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(65,63,6=
5);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:19px">=
There was doubtless more Microsoft Hyper-V and Red Hat KVM in use at the en=
d of 2013 than there was at the end of 2012, so some commoditization is hap=
pening.</span></div>
<div><font color=3D"#413f41" face=3D"Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:14px;line-height:19px"><br></span></font></div><div><font =
color=3D"#413f41" face=3D"Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font=
-size:14px;line-height:19px">But there remains a huge market for virtualiza=
tion. Gartner says 68% of the x86 part of the datacenter was virtualized at=
 the end of 2013, up from just 21% in 2008. By 2016, that figure is expecte=
d to hit 84%, Gartner predicts. That means more license fees flowing out of=
 VMware&#39;s core business as long as customers rely on it to continue the=
 conversion of their=A0data centers.</span></font></div>
<div><span style=3D"color:rgb(65,63,65);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-se=
rif;font-size:1.08333em;line-height:1.38462em"><br></span></div><div><span =
style=3D"color:rgb(65,63,65);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:1.08333em;line-height:1.38462em">One VMware customer,=A0</span><a href=
=3D"http://www.covance.com/" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:Helveti=
ca,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1.08333em;line-height:1.38462em;padding:0px;m=
argin:0px;color:rgb(4,52,100)">Covance</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(65,63,65=
);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1.08333em;line-height:1.=
38462em">=A0</span><a href=3D"http://www.covance.com/" target=3D"_blank" st=
yle=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1.08333em;line-heig=
ht:1.38462em;padding:0px;margin:0px;color:rgb(4,52,100)"></a><span style=3D=
"color:rgb(65,63,65);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1.083=
33em;line-height:1.38462em">in Princeton, N.J., found that vCloud Automatio=
n Center, &quot;reduced the service cycle time from a month to a day,&quot;=
 Sayar said.</span><br>
</div><div><p style=3D"padding:0px;margin:1em 0px;color:rgb(65,63,65);borde=
r:0px;font-size:1.08333em;line-height:1.38462em;font-family:Helvetica,Arial=
,sans-serif">...VMware&#39;s fourth quarter shows that it has the revenue t=
o finance more development of management products and that there is a growi=
ng market for them. Commoditization is going on at the hypervisor level. VM=
ware keeps elevating its product line above that.</p>
<div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR M=
anager</div><div>The Linux Foundation<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfou=
ndation.org" target=3D"_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div><div>(9=
78) 578-5300 =A0Cell</div>
<div>Skype: =A0sarah.k.conway</div></div>
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Interesting article on commoditization of hypervisor technology. Charles
Babcock's take is that it is not upsetting VMWare's position in the market-
yet. Microsoft and Red Hat get a mention.

http://www.informationweek.com/cloud/infrastructure-as-a-service/vmware-navigates-high-wire-act/d/d-id/1113759

Would be great to follow up with Babcock regarding how much more Xen is in
use at the end of 2013 vs. 2012. He's also very interested in end users, so
if we could share some new names wit him that would likely pique his
interest. It would be useful to include these stats. when approaching him
with the upcoming 4.4 release too.

Thanks,

Some interesting quotes from the article:

There was doubtless more Microsoft Hyper-V and Red Hat KVM in use at the
end of 2013 than there was at the end of 2012, so some commoditization is
happening.

But there remains a huge market for virtualization. Gartner says 68% of the
x86 part of the datacenter was virtualized at the end of 2013, up from just
21% in 2008. By 2016, that figure is expected to hit 84%, Gartner predicts.
That means more license fees flowing out of VMware's core business as long
as customers rely on it to continue the conversion of their data centers.

One VMware customer, Covance <http://www.covance.com/>
<http://www.covance.com/>in
Princeton, N.J., found that vCloud Automation Center, "reduced the service
cycle time from a month to a day," Sayar said.

...VMware's fourth quarter shows that it has the revenue to finance more
development of management products and that there is a growing market for
them. Commoditization is going on at the hypervisor level. VMware keeps
elevating its product line above that.

-- 
Sarah Conway
PR Manager
The Linux Foundation
sconway@linuxfoundation.org
(978) 578-5300  Cell
Skype:  sarah.k.conway

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Interesting article on commoditization of hypervisor =
technology. Charles Babcock&#39;s take is that it is not upsetting VMWare&#=
39;s position in the market- yet. Microsoft and Red Hat get a mention.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.informationweek.com/cloud/i=
nfrastructure-as-a-service/vmware-navigates-high-wire-act/d/d-id/1113759">h=
ttp://www.informationweek.com/cloud/infrastructure-as-a-service/vmware-navi=
gates-high-wire-act/d/d-id/1113759</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>Would be great to follow up with Babcock regardin=
g how much more Xen is in use at the end of 2013 vs. 2012. He&#39;s also ve=
ry interested in end users, so if we could share some new names wit him tha=
t would likely pique his interest. It would be useful to include these stat=
s. when approaching him with the upcoming 4.4 release too.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br><div><br></div><div>Some interesting quotes =
from the article:</div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(65,63,6=
5);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:19px">=
There was doubtless more Microsoft Hyper-V and Red Hat KVM in use at the en=
d of 2013 than there was at the end of 2012, so some commoditization is hap=
pening.</span></div>
<div><font color=3D"#413f41" face=3D"Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:14px;line-height:19px"><br></span></font></div><div><font =
color=3D"#413f41" face=3D"Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font=
-size:14px;line-height:19px">But there remains a huge market for virtualiza=
tion. Gartner says 68% of the x86 part of the datacenter was virtualized at=
 the end of 2013, up from just 21% in 2008. By 2016, that figure is expecte=
d to hit 84%, Gartner predicts. That means more license fees flowing out of=
 VMware&#39;s core business as long as customers rely on it to continue the=
 conversion of their=A0data centers.</span></font></div>
<div><span style=3D"color:rgb(65,63,65);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-se=
rif;font-size:1.08333em;line-height:1.38462em"><br></span></div><div><span =
style=3D"color:rgb(65,63,65);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:1.08333em;line-height:1.38462em">One VMware customer,=A0</span><a href=
=3D"http://www.covance.com/" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:Helveti=
ca,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1.08333em;line-height:1.38462em;padding:0px;m=
argin:0px;color:rgb(4,52,100)">Covance</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(65,63,65=
);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1.08333em;line-height:1.=
38462em">=A0</span><a href=3D"http://www.covance.com/" target=3D"_blank" st=
yle=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1.08333em;line-heig=
ht:1.38462em;padding:0px;margin:0px;color:rgb(4,52,100)"></a><span style=3D=
"color:rgb(65,63,65);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1.083=
33em;line-height:1.38462em">in Princeton, N.J., found that vCloud Automatio=
n Center, &quot;reduced the service cycle time from a month to a day,&quot;=
 Sayar said.</span><br>
</div><div><p style=3D"padding:0px;margin:1em 0px;color:rgb(65,63,65);borde=
r:0px;font-size:1.08333em;line-height:1.38462em;font-family:Helvetica,Arial=
,sans-serif">...VMware&#39;s fourth quarter shows that it has the revenue t=
o finance more development of management products and that there is a growi=
ng market for them. Commoditization is going on at the hypervisor level. VM=
ware keeps elevating its product line above that.</p>
<div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR M=
anager</div><div>The Linux Foundation<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfou=
ndation.org" target=3D"_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div><div>(9=
78) 578-5300 =A0Cell</div>
<div>Skype: =A0sarah.k.conway</div></div>
</div></div></div>

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Thanks for sharing, Sarah. Agree re: collecting stats and customers.

Team: how do suggest we can we get these stats and customer references?


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Sarah Conway
<sconway@linuxfoundation.org>wrote:

> Interesting article on commoditization of hypervisor technology. Charles
> Babcock's take is that it is not upsetting VMWare's position in the market-
> yet. Microsoft and Red Hat get a mention.
>
>
> http://www.informationweek.com/cloud/infrastructure-as-a-service/vmware-navigates-high-wire-act/d/d-id/1113759
>
> Would be great to follow up with Babcock regarding how much more Xen is in
> use at the end of 2013 vs. 2012. He's also very interested in end users, so
> if we could share some new names wit him that would likely pique his
> interest. It would be useful to include these stats. when approaching him
> with the upcoming 4.4 release too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Some interesting quotes from the article:
>
> There was doubtless more Microsoft Hyper-V and Red Hat KVM in use at the
> end of 2013 than there was at the end of 2012, so some commoditization is
> happening.
>
> But there remains a huge market for virtualization. Gartner says 68% of
> the x86 part of the datacenter was virtualized at the end of 2013, up from
> just 21% in 2008. By 2016, that figure is expected to hit 84%, Gartner
> predicts. That means more license fees flowing out of VMware's core
> business as long as customers rely on it to continue the conversion of
> their data centers.
>
> One VMware customer, Covance <http://www.covance.com/> <http://www.covance.com/>in
> Princeton, N.J., found that vCloud Automation Center, "reduced the service
> cycle time from a month to a day," Sayar said.
>
> ...VMware's fourth quarter shows that it has the revenue to finance more
> development of management products and that there is a growing market for
> them. Commoditization is going on at the hypervisor level. VMware keeps
> elevating its product line above that.
>
> --
> Sarah Conway
> PR Manager
> The Linux Foundation
> sconway@linuxfoundation.org
> (978) 578-5300  Cell
> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Jennifer Cloer
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for sharing, Sarah. Agree re: collecting stats and =
customers.=A0<div><br></div><div>Team: how do suggest we can we get these s=
tats and customer references?=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Sarah Conway <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">sconway@linuxfoun=
dation.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Interesting article on commoditization of hypervisor =
technology. Charles Babcock&#39;s take is that it is not upsetting VMWare&#=
39;s position in the market- yet. Microsoft and Red Hat get a mention.<br>

</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.informationweek.com/cloud/i=
nfrastructure-as-a-service/vmware-navigates-high-wire-act/d/d-id/1113759" t=
arget=3D"_blank">http://www.informationweek.com/cloud/infrastructure-as-a-s=
ervice/vmware-navigates-high-wire-act/d/d-id/1113759</a><br>

</div><div><br></div><div>Would be great to follow up with Babcock regardin=
g how much more Xen is in use at the end of 2013 vs. 2012. He&#39;s also ve=
ry interested in end users, so if we could share some new names wit him tha=
t would likely pique his interest. It would be useful to include these stat=
s. when approaching him with the upcoming 4.4 release too.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br><div><br></div><div>Some interesting quotes =
from the article:</div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(65,63,6=
5);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:19px">=
There was doubtless more Microsoft Hyper-V and Red Hat KVM in use at the en=
d of 2013 than there was at the end of 2012, so some commoditization is hap=
pening.</span></div>

<div><font color=3D"#413f41" face=3D"Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:14px;line-height:19px"><br></span></font></div><div><font =
color=3D"#413f41" face=3D"Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font=
-size:14px;line-height:19px">But there remains a huge market for virtualiza=
tion. Gartner says 68% of the x86 part of the datacenter was virtualized at=
 the end of 2013, up from just 21% in 2008. By 2016, that figure is expecte=
d to hit 84%, Gartner predicts. That means more license fees flowing out of=
 VMware&#39;s core business as long as customers rely on it to continue the=
 conversion of their=A0data centers.</span></font></div>

<div><span style=3D"color:rgb(65,63,65);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-se=
rif;font-size:1.08333em;line-height:1.38462em"><br></span></div><div><span =
style=3D"color:rgb(65,63,65);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:1.08333em;line-height:1.38462em">One VMware customer,=A0</span><a href=
=3D"http://www.covance.com/" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-seri=
f;font-size:1.08333em;line-height:1.38462em;padding:0px;margin:0px;color:rg=
b(4,52,100)" target=3D"_blank">Covance</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(65,63,65=
);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1.08333em;line-height:1.=
38462em">=A0</span><a href=3D"http://www.covance.com/" style=3D"font-family=
:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1.08333em;line-height:1.38462em;paddi=
ng:0px;margin:0px;color:rgb(4,52,100)" target=3D"_blank"></a><span style=3D=
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Thanks for sharing, Sarah. Agree re: collecting stats and customers.

Team: how do suggest we can we get these stats and customer references?


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Sarah Conway
<sconway@linuxfoundation.org>wrote:

> Interesting article on commoditization of hypervisor technology. Charles
> Babcock's take is that it is not upsetting VMWare's position in the market-
> yet. Microsoft and Red Hat get a mention.
>
>
> http://www.informationweek.com/cloud/infrastructure-as-a-service/vmware-navigates-high-wire-act/d/d-id/1113759
>
> Would be great to follow up with Babcock regarding how much more Xen is in
> use at the end of 2013 vs. 2012. He's also very interested in end users, so
> if we could share some new names wit him that would likely pique his
> interest. It would be useful to include these stats. when approaching him
> with the upcoming 4.4 release too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Some interesting quotes from the article:
>
> There was doubtless more Microsoft Hyper-V and Red Hat KVM in use at the
> end of 2013 than there was at the end of 2012, so some commoditization is
> happening.
>
> But there remains a huge market for virtualization. Gartner says 68% of
> the x86 part of the datacenter was virtualized at the end of 2013, up from
> just 21% in 2008. By 2016, that figure is expected to hit 84%, Gartner
> predicts. That means more license fees flowing out of VMware's core
> business as long as customers rely on it to continue the conversion of
> their data centers.
>
> One VMware customer, Covance <http://www.covance.com/> <http://www.covance.com/>in
> Princeton, N.J., found that vCloud Automation Center, "reduced the service
> cycle time from a month to a day," Sayar said.
>
> ...VMware's fourth quarter shows that it has the revenue to finance more
> development of management products and that there is a growing market for
> them. Commoditization is going on at the hypervisor level. VMware keeps
> elevating its product line above that.
>
> --
> Sarah Conway
> PR Manager
> The Linux Foundation
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> (978) 578-5300  Cell
> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for sharing, Sarah. Agree re: collecting stats and =
customers.=A0<div><br></div><div>Team: how do suggest we can we get these s=
tats and customer references?=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Sarah Conway <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">sconway@linuxfoun=
dation.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Interesting article on commoditization of hypervisor =
technology. Charles Babcock&#39;s take is that it is not upsetting VMWare&#=
39;s position in the market- yet. Microsoft and Red Hat get a mention.<br>

</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.informationweek.com/cloud/i=
nfrastructure-as-a-service/vmware-navigates-high-wire-act/d/d-id/1113759" t=
arget=3D"_blank">http://www.informationweek.com/cloud/infrastructure-as-a-s=
ervice/vmware-navigates-high-wire-act/d/d-id/1113759</a><br>

</div><div><br></div><div>Would be great to follow up with Babcock regardin=
g how much more Xen is in use at the end of 2013 vs. 2012. He&#39;s also ve=
ry interested in end users, so if we could share some new names wit him tha=
t would likely pique his interest. It would be useful to include these stat=
s. when approaching him with the upcoming 4.4 release too.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br><div><br></div><div>Some interesting quotes =
from the article:</div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(65,63,6=
5);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:19px">=
There was doubtless more Microsoft Hyper-V and Red Hat KVM in use at the en=
d of 2013 than there was at the end of 2012, so some commoditization is hap=
pening.</span></div>

<div><font color=3D"#413f41" face=3D"Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:14px;line-height:19px"><br></span></font></div><div><font =
color=3D"#413f41" face=3D"Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font=
-size:14px;line-height:19px">But there remains a huge market for virtualiza=
tion. Gartner says 68% of the x86 part of the datacenter was virtualized at=
 the end of 2013, up from just 21% in 2008. By 2016, that figure is expecte=
d to hit 84%, Gartner predicts. That means more license fees flowing out of=
 VMware&#39;s core business as long as customers rely on it to continue the=
 conversion of their=A0data centers.</span></font></div>

<div><span style=3D"color:rgb(65,63,65);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-se=
rif;font-size:1.08333em;line-height:1.38462em"><br></span></div><div><span =
style=3D"color:rgb(65,63,65);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:1.08333em;line-height:1.38462em">One VMware customer,=A0</span><a href=
=3D"http://www.covance.com/" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-seri=
f;font-size:1.08333em;line-height:1.38462em;padding:0px;margin:0px;color:rg=
b(4,52,100)" target=3D"_blank">Covance</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(65,63,65=
);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1.08333em;line-height:1.=
38462em">=A0</span><a href=3D"http://www.covance.com/" style=3D"font-family=
:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1.08333em;line-height:1.38462em;paddi=
ng:0px;margin:0px;color:rgb(4,52,100)" target=3D"_blank"></a><span style=3D=
"color:rgb(65,63,65);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:1.083=
33em;line-height:1.38462em">in Princeton, N.J., found that vCloud Automatio=
n Center, &quot;reduced the service cycle time from a month to a day,&quot;=
 Sayar said.</span><br>

</div><div><p style=3D"padding:0px;margin:1em 0px;color:rgb(65,63,65);borde=
r:0px;font-size:1.08333em;line-height:1.38462em;font-family:Helvetica,Arial=
,sans-serif">...VMware&#39;s fourth quarter shows that it has the revenue t=
o finance more development of management products and that there is a growi=
ng market for them. Commoditization is going on at the hypervisor level. VM=
ware keeps elevating its product line above that.</p>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">
<div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR M=
anager</div><div>The Linux Foundation<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfou=
ndation.org" target=3D"_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div><div><a=
 href=3D"tel:%28978%29%20578-5300" value=3D"+19785785300" target=3D"_blank"=
>(978) 578-5300</a> =A0Cell</div>

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Dario, I've put a draft of my FOSDEM summary up at: https://github.com/nymote/nymote.github.io/wiki/fosdem-summary

I've linked to the Xen blog post and also the Xen/ARM project page.  I'll be making it live later today at http://nymote.org/blog/ but if you spot any errors please do let me know (or feel free to edit the page - just log in with github).


Thanks,
Amir

On 7 Feb 2014, at 13:49, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:

> On ven, 2014-02-07 at 12:32 +0000, Amir Chaudhry wrote:
>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 12:01, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Feel free to mention any of the Xen activities that went on there, e.g.,
>>> the MirageOS demo at the booth.
>> 
>> I will do.  I was very interested in the Xen/ARM talk in the Automotive devroom but didn't manage to make it.  If anyone has comments on how it went and the types of questions people asked, that would be very useful.
>> 
> What I know for sure is that it went pretty well. Lots of people, lots
> of questions, a lot of interest! :-)
> 
> Stefano is the one who gave it, so he's probably able to give more
> details or answer more specific questions.
> 
>> I'm running late with admin things today so it's unlikely I'll get anything live. 
>> I'll send you a link when I get the post up and I'll definitely link back to the Xen post.
>> 
> Ok, let's see how far I do get then. Even if late, send the link here 
> anyway, so that we can make the proper fuss about your article, when it
> goes live.
> 
> Thanks and Regards,
> Dario
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Dario, I've put a draft of my FOSDEM summary up at: https://github.com/nymote/nymote.github.io/wiki/fosdem-summary

I've linked to the Xen blog post and also the Xen/ARM project page.  I'll be making it live later today at http://nymote.org/blog/ but if you spot any errors please do let me know (or feel free to edit the page - just log in with github).


Thanks,
Amir

On 7 Feb 2014, at 13:49, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:

> On ven, 2014-02-07 at 12:32 +0000, Amir Chaudhry wrote:
>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 12:01, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Feel free to mention any of the Xen activities that went on there, e.g.,
>>> the MirageOS demo at the booth.
>> 
>> I will do.  I was very interested in the Xen/ARM talk in the Automotive devroom but didn't manage to make it.  If anyone has comments on how it went and the types of questions people asked, that would be very useful.
>> 
> What I know for sure is that it went pretty well. Lots of people, lots
> of questions, a lot of interest! :-)
> 
> Stefano is the one who gave it, so he's probably able to give more
> details or answer more specific questions.
> 
>> I'm running late with admin things today so it's unlikely I'll get anything live. 
>> I'll send you a link when I get the post up and I'll definitely link back to the Xen post.
>> 
> Ok, let's see how far I do get then. Even if late, send the link here 
> anyway, so that we can make the proper fuss about your article, when it
> goes live.
> 
> Thanks and Regards,
> Dario
> 
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Dario, I've put a draft of my FOSDEM summary up at: https://github.com/nymote/nymote.github.io/wiki/fosdem-summary

I've linked to the Xen blog post and also the Xen/ARM project page.  I'll be making it live later today at http://nymote.org/blog/ but if you spot any errors please do let me know (or feel free to edit the page - just log in with github).


Thanks,
Amir

On 7 Feb 2014, at 13:49, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:

> On ven, 2014-02-07 at 12:32 +0000, Amir Chaudhry wrote:
>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 12:01, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Feel free to mention any of the Xen activities that went on there, e.g.,
>>> the MirageOS demo at the booth.
>> 
>> I will do.  I was very interested in the Xen/ARM talk in the Automotive devroom but didn't manage to make it.  If anyone has comments on how it went and the types of questions people asked, that would be very useful.
>> 
> What I know for sure is that it went pretty well. Lots of people, lots
> of questions, a lot of interest! :-)
> 
> Stefano is the one who gave it, so he's probably able to give more
> details or answer more specific questions.
> 
>> I'm running late with admin things today so it's unlikely I'll get anything live. 
>> I'll send you a link when I get the post up and I'll definitely link back to the Xen post.
>> 
> Ok, let's see how far I do get then. Even if late, send the link here 
> anyway, so that we can make the proper fuss about your article, when it
> goes live.
> 
> Thanks and Regards,
> Dario
> 
> -- 
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Dario, I've put a draft of my FOSDEM summary up at: https://github.com/nymote/nymote.github.io/wiki/fosdem-summary

I've linked to the Xen blog post and also the Xen/ARM project page.  I'll be making it live later today at http://nymote.org/blog/ but if you spot any errors please do let me know (or feel free to edit the page - just log in with github).


Thanks,
Amir

On 7 Feb 2014, at 13:49, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:

> On ven, 2014-02-07 at 12:32 +0000, Amir Chaudhry wrote:
>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 12:01, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Feel free to mention any of the Xen activities that went on there, e.g.,
>>> the MirageOS demo at the booth.
>> 
>> I will do.  I was very interested in the Xen/ARM talk in the Automotive devroom but didn't manage to make it.  If anyone has comments on how it went and the types of questions people asked, that would be very useful.
>> 
> What I know for sure is that it went pretty well. Lots of people, lots
> of questions, a lot of interest! :-)
> 
> Stefano is the one who gave it, so he's probably able to give more
> details or answer more specific questions.
> 
>> I'm running late with admin things today so it's unlikely I'll get anything live. 
>> I'll send you a link when I get the post up and I'll definitely link back to the Xen post.
>> 
> Ok, let's see how far I do get then. Even if late, send the link here 
> anyway, so that we can make the proper fuss about your article, when it
> goes live.
> 
> Thanks and Regards,
> Dario
> 
> -- 
> <<This happens because I choose it to happen!>> (Raistlin Majere)
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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On mar, 2014-02-11 at 11:50 +0000, Amir Chaudhry wrote:
> Dario, I've put a draft of my FOSDEM summary up at: https://github.com/ny=
mote/nymote.github.io/wiki/fosdem-summary
>=20
Hey, thanks for doing and sharing this!

> I've linked to the Xen blog post and also the Xen/ARM project page.  I'll=
 be making it live later today at http://nymote.org/blog/ but if you spot a=
ny errors please do let me know (or feel free to edit the page - just log i=
n with github).
>
I had a look, and it does look great.

Thanks again,
Dario

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On mar, 2014-02-11 at 11:50 +0000, Amir Chaudhry wrote:
> Dario, I've put a draft of my FOSDEM summary up at: https://github.com/ny=
mote/nymote.github.io/wiki/fosdem-summary
>=20
Hey, thanks for doing and sharing this!

> I've linked to the Xen blog post and also the Xen/ARM project page.  I'll=
 be making it live later today at http://nymote.org/blog/ but if you spot a=
ny errors please do let me know (or feel free to edit the page - just log i=
n with github).
>
I had a look, and it does look great.

Thanks again,
Dario

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Hello everyone,

This is the blog status update for this week (Feb 10th to 14th).

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On ven, 2013-12-20 at 12:04 +0100, Joanna Rutkowska wrote:
> On 12/17/13 18:51, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> > Hi,
> >=20
> > A bit of context, for Joanna's benefit:
> > http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/publicity/2013-12/msg00044.ht=
ml
> >=20
> > Personally, I think QubesOS would make a great demo... Joanna, any
> > interest?
> >=20
> > In case you don't want or can't come (or send anyone) to Brussels, I di=
d
> > setup Qubes on my laptop a while back, and I can try to do that again,
> > with a newer version and commit, if not to a full fledged demo, to have
> > it open and available for people to look at and play with while I'll be
> > at the booth.
> >=20
> > Thoughts?
> >=20
>=20
> Hi Dario, Lars,
>=20
> Thanks for reaching out! Unfortunately none of us plan to attend FOSDEM.
>=20
BTW... Sorry for reporting about this a bit late, but QubesOS demo
happened at the Xen's FOSDEM booth, and, if you ask me, it went pretty
well! :-)

Ufortunatelly, despite all the effort you (Joanna) and Marek spent in
trying to help me, Win7 seamless mode wasn't functional on the laptop.
Still, I reported to the many intereste people the availability of that
feature too, which only happen to be not working in that very moment
(it's a Beta, after all!).

Despite that, it was something very interesting to do on my side, and
something very well received from the FOSDEM crowd... We definitely
should do that again in future events!

You can find something about how FOSDEM went for Xen here:
http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2014/02/07/xen-fosdem14-an-even-report/

Feel free to use the link/the article/the content in any way you like.

Thanks again and Regards,
Dario

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On ven, 2013-12-20 at 12:04 +0100, Joanna Rutkowska wrote:
> On 12/17/13 18:51, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> > Hi,
> >=20
> > A bit of context, for Joanna's benefit:
> > http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/publicity/2013-12/msg00044.ht=
ml
> >=20
> > Personally, I think QubesOS would make a great demo... Joanna, any
> > interest?
> >=20
> > In case you don't want or can't come (or send anyone) to Brussels, I di=
d
> > setup Qubes on my laptop a while back, and I can try to do that again,
> > with a newer version and commit, if not to a full fledged demo, to have
> > it open and available for people to look at and play with while I'll be
> > at the booth.
> >=20
> > Thoughts?
> >=20
>=20
> Hi Dario, Lars,
>=20
> Thanks for reaching out! Unfortunately none of us plan to attend FOSDEM.
>=20
BTW... Sorry for reporting about this a bit late, but QubesOS demo
happened at the Xen's FOSDEM booth, and, if you ask me, it went pretty
well! :-)

Ufortunatelly, despite all the effort you (Joanna) and Marek spent in
trying to help me, Win7 seamless mode wasn't functional on the laptop.
Still, I reported to the many intereste people the availability of that
feature too, which only happen to be not working in that very moment
(it's a Beta, after all!).

Despite that, it was something very interesting to do on my side, and
something very well received from the FOSDEM crowd... We definitely
should do that again in future events!

You can find something about how FOSDEM went for Xen here:
http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2014/02/07/xen-fosdem14-an-even-report/

Feel free to use the link/the article/the content in any way you like.

Thanks again and Regards,
Dario

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On gio, 2013-12-12 at 11:55 +0000, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
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e:
>
> > Just for clarity, these are intended for the Mirage blog, right? Or is
> > it the Xen-Project blog that you're targeting (also)?
>=20
> These are for the Mirage blog, but I would very much like to distill
> them into summary documentation suitable for the Xen blog.  The audiences
> for both are fairly different -- the Mirage readers would want more of
> the mechanics of the toolchain, whereas the Xen crowd probably care more
> about the details of the protocols.
>=20
> >=20
> > If the former, well, personally, I think it would be great to have most
> > (if not all) of them in Xen's blog too. As Lars said, we often publish
> > stuff sort of multiple time to amplify the effect. However, if we're
> > worried that would mean too much information duplication, perhaps
> > someone could write a summary, for instance, of the various posts in th=
e
> > 'Homepage' category for the Xen's blog?
>=20
> Agreed -- I suggest we push these out to the Mirage blog over December
> (the GitHub issue now has target dates on it for those who 'volunteered'=
=20
> on the Mirage call), and then summarise for the Xen blog.
>=20
Hey!

I just found this old thread and realized that not much of what we were
discussing has happened, at least when it comes to "distill them into
summary documentation suitable for the Xen blog".

=46rom the github issue cited earlier on the thread
(https://github.com/mirage/mirage/issues/128) I can't tell exactly what
went online on the Mirage blog, where should I check that? Do we have
the material already for a post on the Xen Project's blog?

Let us know,
Dario

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On gio, 2013-12-12 at 11:55 +0000, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
> On 12 Dec 2013, at 09:08, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrot=
e:
>
> > Just for clarity, these are intended for the Mirage blog, right? Or is
> > it the Xen-Project blog that you're targeting (also)?
>=20
> These are for the Mirage blog, but I would very much like to distill
> them into summary documentation suitable for the Xen blog.  The audiences
> for both are fairly different -- the Mirage readers would want more of
> the mechanics of the toolchain, whereas the Xen crowd probably care more
> about the details of the protocols.
>=20
> >=20
> > If the former, well, personally, I think it would be great to have most
> > (if not all) of them in Xen's blog too. As Lars said, we often publish
> > stuff sort of multiple time to amplify the effect. However, if we're
> > worried that would mean too much information duplication, perhaps
> > someone could write a summary, for instance, of the various posts in th=
e
> > 'Homepage' category for the Xen's blog?
>=20
> Agreed -- I suggest we push these out to the Mirage blog over December
> (the GitHub issue now has target dates on it for those who 'volunteered'=
=20
> on the Mirage call), and then summarise for the Xen blog.
>=20
Hey!

I just found this old thread and realized that not much of what we were
discussing has happened, at least when it comes to "distill them into
summary documentation suitable for the Xen blog".

=46rom the github issue cited earlier on the thread
(https://github.com/mirage/mirage/issues/128) I can't tell exactly what
went online on the Mirage blog, where should I check that? Do we have
the material already for a post on the Xen Project's blog?

Let us know,
Dario

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On 11 Feb 2014, at 18:57, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:

> On gio, 2013-12-12 at 11:55 +0000, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
>> On 12 Dec 2013, at 09:08, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just for clarity, these are intended for the Mirage blog, right? Or is
>>> it the Xen-Project blog that you're targeting (also)?
>> 
>> These are for the Mirage blog, but I would very much like to distill
>> them into summary documentation suitable for the Xen blog.  The audiences
>> for both are fairly different -- the Mirage readers would want more of
>> the mechanics of the toolchain, whereas the Xen crowd probably care more
>> about the details of the protocols.
>> 
>>> 
>>> If the former, well, personally, I think it would be great to have most
>>> (if not all) of them in Xen's blog too. As Lars said, we often publish
>>> stuff sort of multiple time to amplify the effect. However, if we're
>>> worried that would mean too much information duplication, perhaps
>>> someone could write a summary, for instance, of the various posts in the
>>> 'Homepage' category for the Xen's blog?
>> 
>> Agreed -- I suggest we push these out to the Mirage blog over December
>> (the GitHub issue now has target dates on it for those who 'volunteered' 
>> on the Mirage call), and then summarise for the Xen blog.
>> 
> Hey!
> 
> I just found this old thread and realized that not much of what we were
> discussing has happened, at least when it comes to "distill them into
> summary documentation suitable for the Xen blog".
> 
> From the github issue cited earlier on the thread
> (https://github.com/mirage/mirage/issues/128) I can't tell exactly what
> went online on the Mirage blog, where should I check that? Do we have
> the material already for a post on the Xen Project's blog?

A timely question!  We have quite a few articles that have gone up now;
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Some specific articles that may be of interest from the docs page:
http://www.openmirage.org/docs/

- How Xen events work: http://openmirage.org/wiki/xen-events
- How Xen suspend/resume works: http://openmirage.org/wiki/xen-suspend
- Building custom disk backends: http://openmirage.org/wiki/xen-synthesize-virtual-disk
- A walkthrough building a Hello World Xen kernel: http://openmirage.org/wiki/hello-world

As for distilling these down to a Xen blog post, I'll defer to someone with a little more time than I have right now.  I like the thinking though :-)

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On 11 Feb 2014, at 18:57, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:

> On gio, 2013-12-12 at 11:55 +0000, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
>> On 12 Dec 2013, at 09:08, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just for clarity, these are intended for the Mirage blog, right? Or is
>>> it the Xen-Project blog that you're targeting (also)?
>> 
>> These are for the Mirage blog, but I would very much like to distill
>> them into summary documentation suitable for the Xen blog.  The audiences
>> for both are fairly different -- the Mirage readers would want more of
>> the mechanics of the toolchain, whereas the Xen crowd probably care more
>> about the details of the protocols.
>> 
>>> 
>>> If the former, well, personally, I think it would be great to have most
>>> (if not all) of them in Xen's blog too. As Lars said, we often publish
>>> stuff sort of multiple time to amplify the effect. However, if we're
>>> worried that would mean too much information duplication, perhaps
>>> someone could write a summary, for instance, of the various posts in the
>>> 'Homepage' category for the Xen's blog?
>> 
>> Agreed -- I suggest we push these out to the Mirage blog over December
>> (the GitHub issue now has target dates on it for those who 'volunteered' 
>> on the Mirage call), and then summarise for the Xen blog.
>> 
> Hey!
> 
> I just found this old thread and realized that not much of what we were
> discussing has happened, at least when it comes to "distill them into
> summary documentation suitable for the Xen blog".
> 
> From the github issue cited earlier on the thread
> (https://github.com/mirage/mirage/issues/128) I can't tell exactly what
> went online on the Mirage blog, where should I check that? Do we have
> the material already for a post on the Xen Project's blog?

A timely question!  We have quite a few articles that have gone up now;
the front page has a summary of recent updates; http://www.openmirage.org/

Some specific articles that may be of interest from the docs page:
http://www.openmirage.org/docs/

- How Xen events work: http://openmirage.org/wiki/xen-events
- How Xen suspend/resume works: http://openmirage.org/wiki/xen-suspend
- Building custom disk backends: http://openmirage.org/wiki/xen-synthesize-virtual-disk
- A walkthrough building a Hello World Xen kernel: http://openmirage.org/wiki/hello-world

As for distilling these down to a Xen blog post, I'll defer to someone with a little more time than I have right now.  I like the thinking though :-)

-anil
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FYI,

Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is
expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now
"meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are
positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing hypervisors
as only beneficial to IaaS.

The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors that
power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an entire
operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application containers
that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system. By virtualizing at
the application level, Docker can offer greater portability, efficiency and
security."

http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29

An article from Dec. 2013:

http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors

Some additional messaging from their web site:

Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:
Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500
Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200 community
developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now available at the
Docker public index, and third party projects and partnerships built on top
of Docker span PaaS, operating systems, hosting services, CI platforms, and
more. Over 50 user-created case studies are available from companies such
as eBay, Cloudflare, Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and
RelateIQ.

I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like
Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from
the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question
that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any
Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,
offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs. virtualization,
etc.

Thanks,



--
Sarah Conway
PR Manager
The Linux Foundation
sconway@linuxfoundation.org
(978) 578-5300  Cell
Skype:  sarah.k.conway

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<div dir=3D"ltr">FYI,<br><br>Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker =
release. (1.0 version is expected in April.) With these new releases, suppo=
sedly Docker can now &quot;meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS sol=
utions.&quot; They are positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pi=
geon-holing hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS. <br>
<br>The article goes on to say: &quot;Unlike the virtualization hypervisors=
 that power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn&#39;t virtualize an en=
tire operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application contain=
ers that run on top of a &quot;bare-metal&quot; host operating system. By v=
irtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater portability,=
 efficiency and security.&quot;<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technol=
ogies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=3D=
feedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28Th=
e+VAR+Guy%29">http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technolo=
gies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=3Df=
eedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The=
+VAR+Guy%29</a><br>
<br>An article from Dec. 2013:<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.networkworld.co=
m/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors">http://www.networkworld.com/co=
mmunity/blog/containers-new-hypervisors</a><br><br>Some additional messagin=
g from their web site:<br>
<br>Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly=
: Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500 Gi=
thub stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200 community dev=
elopers. Over 2,500 &quot;Dockerized&quot; applications are now available a=
t the Docker public index, and third party projects and partnerships built =
on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems, hosting services, CI platfor=
ms, and more. Over 50 user-created case studies are available from companie=
s such as eBay, Cloudflare, Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Car=
e, and RelateIQ.<div>
<br></div><div>I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technol=
ogies like Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedb=
ack from the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a que=
stion that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any=
 Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe, offer=
ing reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs. virtualization, etc.=
</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br><br><br><br>--<br>Sarah Conway<br>PR Manager=
<br>The Linux Foundation<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org">=
sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a><br>(978) 578-5300 =A0Cell<br>Skype: =A0sara=
h.k.conway<br>
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FYI,

Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is
expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now
"meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are
positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing hypervisors
as only beneficial to IaaS.

The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors that
power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an entire
operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application containers
that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system. By virtualizing at
the application level, Docker can offer greater portability, efficiency and
security."

http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29

An article from Dec. 2013:

http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors

Some additional messaging from their web site:

Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:
Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500
Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200 community
developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now available at the
Docker public index, and third party projects and partnerships built on top
of Docker span PaaS, operating systems, hosting services, CI platforms, and
more. Over 50 user-created case studies are available from companies such
as eBay, Cloudflare, Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and
RelateIQ.

I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like
Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from
the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question
that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any
Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,
offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs. virtualization,
etc.

Thanks,



--
Sarah Conway
PR Manager
The Linux Foundation
sconway@linuxfoundation.org
(978) 578-5300  Cell
Skype:  sarah.k.conway

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<div dir=3D"ltr">FYI,<br><br>Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker =
release. (1.0 version is expected in April.) With these new releases, suppo=
sedly Docker can now &quot;meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS sol=
utions.&quot; They are positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pi=
geon-holing hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS. <br>
<br>The article goes on to say: &quot;Unlike the virtualization hypervisors=
 that power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn&#39;t virtualize an en=
tire operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application contain=
ers that run on top of a &quot;bare-metal&quot; host operating system. By v=
irtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater portability,=
 efficiency and security.&quot;<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technol=
ogies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=3D=
feedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28Th=
e+VAR+Guy%29">http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technolo=
gies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=3Df=
eedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The=
+VAR+Guy%29</a><br>
<br>An article from Dec. 2013:<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.networkworld.co=
m/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors">http://www.networkworld.com/co=
mmunity/blog/containers-new-hypervisors</a><br><br>Some additional messagin=
g from their web site:<br>
<br>Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly=
: Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500 Gi=
thub stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200 community dev=
elopers. Over 2,500 &quot;Dockerized&quot; applications are now available a=
t the Docker public index, and third party projects and partnerships built =
on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems, hosting services, CI platfor=
ms, and more. Over 50 user-created case studies are available from companie=
s such as eBay, Cloudflare, Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Car=
e, and RelateIQ.<div>
<br></div><div>I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technol=
ogies like Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedb=
ack from the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a que=
stion that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any=
 Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe, offer=
ing reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs. virtualization, etc.=
</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br><br><br><br>--<br>Sarah Conway<br>PR Manager=
<br>The Linux Foundation<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org">=
sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a><br>(978) 578-5300 =A0Cell<br>Skype: =A0sara=
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I'm pleased to announce the release of Mirage OS 1.1.0.  The latest packages have been uploaded to OPAM, so you can just run "opam update -u" to grab the sources.  A summary of new features and fixes is available online at:

http://openmirage.org/blog/mirage-1.1-released

It can be summarised as follows, but please see the blog post for details.

- functional combinators to express device drivers in configuration files -- a much more flexible and well-typed approach to assembling various combinations of an OS stack in a principled way.

- a fully functorized TCP/IP stack that is modular enough to abstract the sockets API and the direct TCP/IP stack behind the same modular interface.  This lets us swap between developing on a familiar Unix box and redeploying on Xen.

- less magic in the build system to make upstream binary packaging easier.

- over 30 libraries released into OPAM, ranging from protocol implementations to Xen libraries to database code.

- a refreshed set of tutorials and hello world walkthroughs online at: http://openmirage.org/wiki/hello-world

Our libraries have had contributions from a large number of people in this release; the Mirage website now installs *40* libraries from a clean build (see https://travis-ci.org/mirage/mirage-www/jobs/18672156 for a sample build log of the live website).  I'd like to particularly thank David Sheets, Hugo Heuzard and Rudy Grinberg for their contributions to the network and web stacks, and Jon Ludlam for contributing to the Xen suspend/resume support.

The focus of the development team is now to shift our personal homepages onto Mirage-hosted VMs, so expect a flurry of complaints and bugfixes as we are forced to use our own tools!

As always, please report bugs to https://github.com/mirage/mirage/issues, or on the <mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org> mailing list.

-Anil, along with Thomas Gazagnaire, David Scott and Richard Mortier



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I'm pleased to announce the release of Mirage OS 1.1.0.  The latest packages have been uploaded to OPAM, so you can just run "opam update -u" to grab the sources.  A summary of new features and fixes is available online at:

http://openmirage.org/blog/mirage-1.1-released

It can be summarised as follows, but please see the blog post for details.

- functional combinators to express device drivers in configuration files -- a much more flexible and well-typed approach to assembling various combinations of an OS stack in a principled way.

- a fully functorized TCP/IP stack that is modular enough to abstract the sockets API and the direct TCP/IP stack behind the same modular interface.  This lets us swap between developing on a familiar Unix box and redeploying on Xen.

- less magic in the build system to make upstream binary packaging easier.

- over 30 libraries released into OPAM, ranging from protocol implementations to Xen libraries to database code.

- a refreshed set of tutorials and hello world walkthroughs online at: http://openmirage.org/wiki/hello-world

Our libraries have had contributions from a large number of people in this release; the Mirage website now installs *40* libraries from a clean build (see https://travis-ci.org/mirage/mirage-www/jobs/18672156 for a sample build log of the live website).  I'd like to particularly thank David Sheets, Hugo Heuzard and Rudy Grinberg for their contributions to the network and web stacks, and Jon Ludlam for contributing to the Xen suspend/resume support.

The focus of the development team is now to shift our personal homepages onto Mirage-hosted VMs, so expect a flurry of complaints and bugfixes as we are forced to use our own tools!

As always, please report bugs to https://github.com/mirage/mirage/issues, or on the <mirageos-devel@lists.xenproject.org> mailing list.

-Anil, along with Thomas Gazagnaire, David Scott and Richard Mortier



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There does seem to be a really big push for containers, and I do think 
we need to think about how to get a counter-message out.

The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in 
terms of memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though 
probably not for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if 
running in PV or PVH mode on Xen).

But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors.  The system call 
interface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface.  There have 
been dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the 
system call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities 
would give an attacker control of all containers on the system.

By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to 
break into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only 
worked in PV mode, on Intel boxes.  I don't know what KVM's record is, 
but I'm sure it's similar.

So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud 
environment, where users who don't trust each other share the same 
hardware.  Nor are they appropriate if you want to make sure that 
successfully attacking one server cannot easily attack other servers.

The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds, 
particularly if there aren't any public-facing services, or if the 
public-facing services are lower value, where security is less critical 
than performance.

Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate 
with KVM (or even VMWare) people about this?  Are RedHat or Canonical 
doing anything with containers?  I think the OSv guys should be on-side; 
particularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their 
approach.

  -George

On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
> FYI,
>
> Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is
> expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now
> "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are
> positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing
> hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
>
> The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors that
> power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an entire
> operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application
> containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system. By
> virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater
> portability, efficiency and security."
>
> http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
>
> An article from Dec. 2013:
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
>
> Some additional messaging from their web site:
>
> Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:
> Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500
> Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200
> community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now
> available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and
> partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,
> hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case
> studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,
> Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.
>
> I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like
> Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from
> the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question
> that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any
> Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,
> offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.
> virtualization, etc.


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There does seem to be a really big push for containers, and I do think 
we need to think about how to get a counter-message out.

The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in 
terms of memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though 
probably not for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if 
running in PV or PVH mode on Xen).

But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors.  The system call 
interface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface.  There have 
been dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the 
system call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities 
would give an attacker control of all containers on the system.

By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to 
break into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only 
worked in PV mode, on Intel boxes.  I don't know what KVM's record is, 
but I'm sure it's similar.

So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud 
environment, where users who don't trust each other share the same 
hardware.  Nor are they appropriate if you want to make sure that 
successfully attacking one server cannot easily attack other servers.

The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds, 
particularly if there aren't any public-facing services, or if the 
public-facing services are lower value, where security is less critical 
than performance.

Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate 
with KVM (or even VMWare) people about this?  Are RedHat or Canonical 
doing anything with containers?  I think the OSv guys should be on-side; 
particularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their 
approach.

  -George

On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
> FYI,
>
> Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is
> expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now
> "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are
> positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing
> hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
>
> The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors that
> power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an entire
> operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application
> containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system. By
> virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater
> portability, efficiency and security."
>
> http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
>
> An article from Dec. 2013:
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
>
> Some additional messaging from their web site:
>
> Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:
> Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500
> Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200
> community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now
> available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and
> partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,
> hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case
> studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,
> Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.
>
> I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like
> Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from
> the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question
> that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any
> Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,
> offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.
> virtualization, etc.


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The recent x32 ABI exploit in Linux puts the dangers of depending too much trust in containers in sharp relief.

http://www.zdnet.com/low-level-exploit-sends-ubuntu-opensuse-kernel-bug-hunting-7000025872/

Perhaps the simplest thing is to look for a list of recent CVE vulnerabilities and highlight which ones would be blocked by Xen, KVM and containers.  I've not seen such a list elsewhere on the web.

-anil

On 11 Feb 2014, at 19:36, George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com> wrote:

> There does seem to be a really big push for containers, and I do think we need to think about how to get a counter-message out.
> 
> The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in terms of memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though probably not for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running in PV or PVH mode on Xen).
> 
> But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors.  The system call interface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface.  There have been dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the system call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would give an attacker control of all containers on the system.
> 
> By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to break into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only worked in PV mode, on Intel boxes.  I don't know what KVM's record is, but I'm sure it's similar.
> 
> So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud environment, where users who don't trust each other share the same hardware.  Nor are they appropriate if you want to make sure that successfully attacking one server cannot easily attack other servers.
> 
> The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds, particularly if there aren't any public-facing services, or if the public-facing services are lower value, where security is less critical than performance.
> 
> Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate with KVM (or even VMWare) people about this?  Are RedHat or Canonical doing anything with containers?  I think the OSv guys should be on-side; particularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their approach.
> 
> -George
> 
> On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>> FYI,
>> 
>> Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is
>> expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now
>> "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are
>> positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing
>> hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
>> 
>> The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors that
>> power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an entire
>> operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application
>> containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system. By
>> virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater
>> portability, efficiency and security."
>> 
>> http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
>> 
>> An article from Dec. 2013:
>> 
>> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
>> 
>> Some additional messaging from their web site:
>> 
>> Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:
>> Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500
>> Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200
>> community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now
>> available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and
>> partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,
>> hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case
>> studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,
>> Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.
>> 
>> I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like
>> Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from
>> the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question
>> that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any
>> Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,
>> offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.
>> virtualization, etc.
> 
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The recent x32 ABI exploit in Linux puts the dangers of depending too much trust in containers in sharp relief.

http://www.zdnet.com/low-level-exploit-sends-ubuntu-opensuse-kernel-bug-hunting-7000025872/

Perhaps the simplest thing is to look for a list of recent CVE vulnerabilities and highlight which ones would be blocked by Xen, KVM and containers.  I've not seen such a list elsewhere on the web.

-anil

On 11 Feb 2014, at 19:36, George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com> wrote:

> There does seem to be a really big push for containers, and I do think we need to think about how to get a counter-message out.
> 
> The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in terms of memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though probably not for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running in PV or PVH mode on Xen).
> 
> But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors.  The system call interface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface.  There have been dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the system call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would give an attacker control of all containers on the system.
> 
> By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to break into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only worked in PV mode, on Intel boxes.  I don't know what KVM's record is, but I'm sure it's similar.
> 
> So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud environment, where users who don't trust each other share the same hardware.  Nor are they appropriate if you want to make sure that successfully attacking one server cannot easily attack other servers.
> 
> The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds, particularly if there aren't any public-facing services, or if the public-facing services are lower value, where security is less critical than performance.
> 
> Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate with KVM (or even VMWare) people about this?  Are RedHat or Canonical doing anything with containers?  I think the OSv guys should be on-side; particularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their approach.
> 
> -George
> 
> On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>> FYI,
>> 
>> Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is
>> expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now
>> "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are
>> positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing
>> hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
>> 
>> The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors that
>> power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an entire
>> operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application
>> containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system. By
>> virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater
>> portability, efficiency and security."
>> 
>> http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
>> 
>> An article from Dec. 2013:
>> 
>> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
>> 
>> Some additional messaging from their web site:
>> 
>> Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:
>> Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500
>> Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200
>> community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now
>> available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and
>> partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,
>> hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case
>> studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,
>> Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.
>> 
>> I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like
>> Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from
>> the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question
>> that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any
>> Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,
>> offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.
>> virtualization, etc.
> 
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On 02/11/14 19:19, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On ven, 2013-12-20 at 12:04 +0100, Joanna Rutkowska wrote:
>> On 12/17/13 18:51, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> A bit of context, for Joanna's benefit:
>>> http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/publicity/2013-12/msg00044.=
html
>>>
>>> Personally, I think QubesOS would make a great demo... Joanna, any
>>> interest?
>>>
>>> In case you don't want or can't come (or send anyone) to Brussels, I =
did
>>> setup Qubes on my laptop a while back, and I can try to do that again=
,
>>> with a newer version and commit, if not to a full fledged demo, to ha=
ve
>>> it open and available for people to look at and play with while I'll =
be
>>> at the booth.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>
>> Hi Dario, Lars,
>>
>> Thanks for reaching out! Unfortunately none of us plan to attend FOSDE=
M.
>>
> BTW... Sorry for reporting about this a bit late, but QubesOS demo
> happened at the Xen's FOSDEM booth, and, if you ask me, it went pretty
> well! :-)
>=20
> Ufortunatelly, despite all the effort you (Joanna) and Marek spent in
> trying to help me, Win7 seamless mode wasn't functional on the laptop.
> Still, I reported to the many intereste people the availability of that=

> feature too, which only happen to be not working in that very moment
> (it's a Beta, after all!).
>=20
> Despite that, it was something very interesting to do on my side, and
> something very well received from the FOSDEM crowd... We definitely
> should do that again in future events!
>=20
> You can find something about how FOSDEM went for Xen here:
> http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2014/02/07/xen-fosdem14-an-even-report/
>=20
> Feel free to use the link/the article/the content in any way you like.
>=20
> Thanks again and Regards,
> Dario
>=20

Hi Dario,

Thanks for the update and for undertaking all the efforts to show of
Qubes OS :)

I think that a non-working windows support on a FOSDEM conference might
just not be that much of a problem anyway ;) (But of course, we're
working to improve this support and hope to have it much better in the
soon-to-be-released r2-rc1...)

Thanks,
joanna.


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On 02/11/14 19:19, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On ven, 2013-12-20 at 12:04 +0100, Joanna Rutkowska wrote:
>> On 12/17/13 18:51, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> A bit of context, for Joanna's benefit:
>>> http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/publicity/2013-12/msg00044.=
html
>>>
>>> Personally, I think QubesOS would make a great demo... Joanna, any
>>> interest?
>>>
>>> In case you don't want or can't come (or send anyone) to Brussels, I =
did
>>> setup Qubes on my laptop a while back, and I can try to do that again=
,
>>> with a newer version and commit, if not to a full fledged demo, to ha=
ve
>>> it open and available for people to look at and play with while I'll =
be
>>> at the booth.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>
>> Hi Dario, Lars,
>>
>> Thanks for reaching out! Unfortunately none of us plan to attend FOSDE=
M.
>>
> BTW... Sorry for reporting about this a bit late, but QubesOS demo
> happened at the Xen's FOSDEM booth, and, if you ask me, it went pretty
> well! :-)
>=20
> Ufortunatelly, despite all the effort you (Joanna) and Marek spent in
> trying to help me, Win7 seamless mode wasn't functional on the laptop.
> Still, I reported to the many intereste people the availability of that=

> feature too, which only happen to be not working in that very moment
> (it's a Beta, after all!).
>=20
> Despite that, it was something very interesting to do on my side, and
> something very well received from the FOSDEM crowd... We definitely
> should do that again in future events!
>=20
> You can find something about how FOSDEM went for Xen here:
> http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2014/02/07/xen-fosdem14-an-even-report/
>=20
> Feel free to use the link/the article/the content in any way you like.
>=20
> Thanks again and Regards,
> Dario
>=20

Hi Dario,

Thanks for the update and for undertaking all the efforts to show of
Qubes OS :)

I think that a non-working windows support on a FOSDEM conference might
just not be that much of a problem anyway ;) (But of course, we're
working to improve this support and hope to have it much better in the
soon-to-be-released r2-rc1...)

Thanks,
joanna.


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This is excellent fodder. Regarding this info.: There have been dozens of
Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the system call layers
over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would give an attacker
control of all containers on the system.

Are are there any specific examples of Linux privilege escalation
vulnerabilities you can share?

Thanks,


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Anil Madhavapeddy <anil@recoil.org> wrote:

> The recent x32 ABI exploit in Linux puts the dangers of depending too much
> trust in containers in sharp relief.
>
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/low-level-exploit-sends-ubuntu-opensuse-kernel-bug-hunting-7000025872/
>
> Perhaps the simplest thing is to look for a list of recent CVE
> vulnerabilities and highlight which ones would be blocked by Xen, KVM and
> containers.  I've not seen such a list elsewhere on the web.
>
> -anil
>
> On 11 Feb 2014, at 19:36, George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>
> wrote:
>
> > There does seem to be a really big push for containers, and I do think
> we need to think about how to get a counter-message out.
> >
> > The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in
> terms of memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though
> probably not for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running
> in PV or PVH mode on Xen).
> >
> > But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors.  The system call
> interface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface.  There have
> been dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the
> system call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would
> give an attacker control of all containers on the system.
> >
> > By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to
> break into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only
> worked in PV mode, on Intel boxes.  I don't know what KVM's record is, but
> I'm sure it's similar.
> >
> > So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud
> environment, where users who don't trust each other share the same
> hardware.  Nor are they appropriate if you want to make sure that
> successfully attacking one server cannot easily attack other servers.
> >
> > The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds,
> particularly if there aren't any public-facing services, or if the
> public-facing services are lower value, where security is less critical
> than performance.
> >
> > Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate
> with KVM (or even VMWare) people about this?  Are RedHat or Canonical doing
> anything with containers?  I think the OSv guys should be on-side;
> particularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their
> approach.
> >
> > -George
> >
> > On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
> >> FYI,
> >>
> >> Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is
> >> expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now
> >> "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are
> >> positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing
> >> hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
> >>
> >> The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors that
> >> power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an entire
> >> operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application
> >> containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system. By
> >> virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater
> >> portability, efficiency and security."
> >>
> >>
> http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
> >>
> >> An article from Dec. 2013:
> >>
> >> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
> >>
> >> Some additional messaging from their web site:
> >>
> >> Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:
> >> Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500
> >> Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200
> >> community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now
> >> available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and
> >> partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,
> >> hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case
> >> studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,
> >> Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.
> >>
> >> I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like
> >> Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from
> >> the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question
> >> that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any
> >> Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,
> >> offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.
> >> virtualization, etc.
> >
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This is excellent fodder. Regarding this info.:=A0<span st=
yle=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">There have been dozens =
of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the system call layer=
s over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would give an attacker c=
ontrol of all containers on the system.</span><div>
<span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></di=
v><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Are are =
there any specific examples of=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:13px">Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities</span><=
span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">=A0</span><span =
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">you can share?</span>=
</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span=
></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Tha=
nks,</span></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Anil Madhavapeddy <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:anil@recoil.org" target=3D"_blank">anil@recoil.org</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The recent x32 ABI exploit in Linux puts the dangers of depending too much =
trust in containers in sharp relief.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.zdnet.com/low-level-exploit-sends-ubuntu-opensuse-ker=
nel-bug-hunting-7000025872/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.zdnet.com/low-lev=
el-exploit-sends-ubuntu-opensuse-kernel-bug-hunting-7000025872/</a><br>
<br>
Perhaps the simplest thing is to look for a list of recent CVE vulnerabilit=
ies and highlight which ones would be blocked by Xen, KVM and containers. =
=A0I&#39;ve not seen such a list elsewhere on the web.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
-anil<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On 11 Feb 2014, at 19:36, George Dunlap &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap=
@eu.citrix.com">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; There does seem to be a really big push for containers, and I do think=
 we need to think about how to get a counter-message out.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in te=
rms of memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though probabl=
y not for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running in PV or=
 PVH mode on Xen).<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors. =A0The system ca=
ll interface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface. =A0There ha=
ve been dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the sy=
stem call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would giv=
e an attacker control of all containers on the system.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to=
 break into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only wo=
rked in PV mode, on Intel boxes. =A0I don&#39;t know what KVM&#39;s record =
is, but I&#39;m sure it&#39;s similar.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud environm=
ent, where users who don&#39;t trust each other share the same hardware. =
=A0Nor are they appropriate if you want to make sure that successfully atta=
cking one server cannot easily attack other servers.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds, particu=
larly if there aren&#39;t any public-facing services, or if the public-faci=
ng services are lower value, where security is less critical than performan=
ce.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinat=
e with KVM (or even VMWare) people about this? =A0Are RedHat or Canonical d=
oing anything with containers? =A0I think the OSv guys should be on-side; p=
articularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their approa=
ch.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; -George<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; FYI,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 versio=
n is<br>
&gt;&gt; expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can=
 now<br>
&gt;&gt; &quot;meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions.&quot=
; They are<br>
&gt;&gt; positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing<br=
>
&gt;&gt; hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; The article goes on to say: &quot;Unlike the virtualization hyperv=
isors that<br>
&gt;&gt; power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn&#39;t virtualize an=
 entire<br>
&gt;&gt; operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application<br>
&gt;&gt; containers that run on top of a &quot;bare-metal&quot; host operat=
ing system. By<br>
&gt;&gt; virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater<br=
>
&gt;&gt; portability, efficiency and security.&quot;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-te=
chnologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_sour=
ce=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+=
%28The+VAR+Guy%29" target=3D"_blank">http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-ap=
plications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualizat=
ion-rise?utm_source=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=3DF=
eed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29</a><br>

&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; An article from Dec. 2013:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-n=
ew-hypervisors" target=3D"_blank">http://www.networkworld.com/community/blo=
g/containers-new-hypervisors</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Some additional messaging from their web site:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding ra=
pidly:<br>
&gt;&gt; Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7=
,500<br>
&gt;&gt; Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200<br=
>
&gt;&gt; community developers. Over 2,500 &quot;Dockerized&quot; applicatio=
ns are now<br>
&gt;&gt; available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and=
<br>
&gt;&gt; partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,<=
br>
&gt;&gt; hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created cas=
e<br>
&gt;&gt; studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,<br>
&gt;&gt; Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.<br=
>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies =
like<br>
&gt;&gt; Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedbac=
k from<br>
&gt;&gt; the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a que=
stion<br>
&gt;&gt; that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back =
any<br>
&gt;&gt; Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timefram=
e,<br>
&gt;&gt; offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.<br>
&gt;&gt; virtualization, etc.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; Publicity mailing list<br>
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roject.org</a><br>
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ity" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo=
/publicity</a><br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR Manager</div><div>The L=
inux Foundation<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D=
"_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div>
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This is excellent fodder. Regarding this info.: There have been dozens of
Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the system call layers
over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would give an attacker
control of all containers on the system.

Are are there any specific examples of Linux privilege escalation
vulnerabilities you can share?

Thanks,


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Anil Madhavapeddy <anil@recoil.org> wrote:

> The recent x32 ABI exploit in Linux puts the dangers of depending too much
> trust in containers in sharp relief.
>
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/low-level-exploit-sends-ubuntu-opensuse-kernel-bug-hunting-7000025872/
>
> Perhaps the simplest thing is to look for a list of recent CVE
> vulnerabilities and highlight which ones would be blocked by Xen, KVM and
> containers.  I've not seen such a list elsewhere on the web.
>
> -anil
>
> On 11 Feb 2014, at 19:36, George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>
> wrote:
>
> > There does seem to be a really big push for containers, and I do think
> we need to think about how to get a counter-message out.
> >
> > The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in
> terms of memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though
> probably not for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running
> in PV or PVH mode on Xen).
> >
> > But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors.  The system call
> interface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface.  There have
> been dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the
> system call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would
> give an attacker control of all containers on the system.
> >
> > By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to
> break into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only
> worked in PV mode, on Intel boxes.  I don't know what KVM's record is, but
> I'm sure it's similar.
> >
> > So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud
> environment, where users who don't trust each other share the same
> hardware.  Nor are they appropriate if you want to make sure that
> successfully attacking one server cannot easily attack other servers.
> >
> > The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds,
> particularly if there aren't any public-facing services, or if the
> public-facing services are lower value, where security is less critical
> than performance.
> >
> > Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate
> with KVM (or even VMWare) people about this?  Are RedHat or Canonical doing
> anything with containers?  I think the OSv guys should be on-side;
> particularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their
> approach.
> >
> > -George
> >
> > On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
> >> FYI,
> >>
> >> Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is
> >> expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now
> >> "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are
> >> positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing
> >> hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
> >>
> >> The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors that
> >> power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an entire
> >> operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application
> >> containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system. By
> >> virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater
> >> portability, efficiency and security."
> >>
> >>
> http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
> >>
> >> An article from Dec. 2013:
> >>
> >> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
> >>
> >> Some additional messaging from their web site:
> >>
> >> Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:
> >> Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500
> >> Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200
> >> community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now
> >> available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and
> >> partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,
> >> hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case
> >> studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,
> >> Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.
> >>
> >> I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like
> >> Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from
> >> the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question
> >> that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any
> >> Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,
> >> offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.
> >> virtualization, etc.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This is excellent fodder. Regarding this info.:=A0<span st=
yle=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">There have been dozens =
of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the system call layer=
s over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would give an attacker c=
ontrol of all containers on the system.</span><div>
<span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></di=
v><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Are are =
there any specific examples of=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:13px">Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities</span><=
span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">=A0</span><span =
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">you can share?</span>=
</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span=
></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Tha=
nks,</span></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Anil Madhavapeddy <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:anil@recoil.org" target=3D"_blank">anil@recoil.org</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The recent x32 ABI exploit in Linux puts the dangers of depending too much =
trust in containers in sharp relief.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.zdnet.com/low-level-exploit-sends-ubuntu-opensuse-ker=
nel-bug-hunting-7000025872/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.zdnet.com/low-lev=
el-exploit-sends-ubuntu-opensuse-kernel-bug-hunting-7000025872/</a><br>
<br>
Perhaps the simplest thing is to look for a list of recent CVE vulnerabilit=
ies and highlight which ones would be blocked by Xen, KVM and containers. =
=A0I&#39;ve not seen such a list elsewhere on the web.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
-anil<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On 11 Feb 2014, at 19:36, George Dunlap &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap=
@eu.citrix.com">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; There does seem to be a really big push for containers, and I do think=
 we need to think about how to get a counter-message out.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in te=
rms of memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though probabl=
y not for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running in PV or=
 PVH mode on Xen).<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors. =A0The system ca=
ll interface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface. =A0There ha=
ve been dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the sy=
stem call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would giv=
e an attacker control of all containers on the system.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to=
 break into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only wo=
rked in PV mode, on Intel boxes. =A0I don&#39;t know what KVM&#39;s record =
is, but I&#39;m sure it&#39;s similar.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud environm=
ent, where users who don&#39;t trust each other share the same hardware. =
=A0Nor are they appropriate if you want to make sure that successfully atta=
cking one server cannot easily attack other servers.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds, particu=
larly if there aren&#39;t any public-facing services, or if the public-faci=
ng services are lower value, where security is less critical than performan=
ce.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinat=
e with KVM (or even VMWare) people about this? =A0Are RedHat or Canonical d=
oing anything with containers? =A0I think the OSv guys should be on-side; p=
articularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their approa=
ch.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; -George<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; FYI,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 versio=
n is<br>
&gt;&gt; expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can=
 now<br>
&gt;&gt; &quot;meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions.&quot=
; They are<br>
&gt;&gt; positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing<br=
>
&gt;&gt; hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; The article goes on to say: &quot;Unlike the virtualization hyperv=
isors that<br>
&gt;&gt; power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn&#39;t virtualize an=
 entire<br>
&gt;&gt; operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application<br>
&gt;&gt; containers that run on top of a &quot;bare-metal&quot; host operat=
ing system. By<br>
&gt;&gt; virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater<br=
>
&gt;&gt; portability, efficiency and security.&quot;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-te=
chnologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_sour=
ce=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+=
%28The+VAR+Guy%29" target=3D"_blank">http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-ap=
plications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualizat=
ion-rise?utm_source=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=3DF=
eed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29</a><br>

&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; An article from Dec. 2013:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-n=
ew-hypervisors" target=3D"_blank">http://www.networkworld.com/community/blo=
g/containers-new-hypervisors</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Some additional messaging from their web site:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding ra=
pidly:<br>
&gt;&gt; Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7=
,500<br>
&gt;&gt; Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200<br=
>
&gt;&gt; community developers. Over 2,500 &quot;Dockerized&quot; applicatio=
ns are now<br>
&gt;&gt; available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and=
<br>
&gt;&gt; partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,<=
br>
&gt;&gt; hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created cas=
e<br>
&gt;&gt; studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,<br>
&gt;&gt; Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.<br=
>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies =
like<br>
&gt;&gt; Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedbac=
k from<br>
&gt;&gt; the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a que=
stion<br>
&gt;&gt; that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back =
any<br>
&gt;&gt; Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timefram=
e,<br>
&gt;&gt; offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.<br>
&gt;&gt; virtualization, etc.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; Publicity mailing list<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:Publicity@lists.xenproject.org">Publicity@lists.xenp=
roject.org</a><br>
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ity" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo=
/publicity</a><br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>=
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Sarah, is the following the kind of info you're after?

http://timetobleed.com/a-closer-look-at-a-recent-privilege-escalation-bug-in=
-linux-cve-2013-2094/

Best wishes,
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> On 11 Feb 2014, at 21:27, Sarah Conway <sconway@linuxfoundation.org> wrote=
:
>=20
> This is excellent fodder. Regarding this info.: There have been dozens of L=
inux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the system call layers ove=
r the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would give an attacker control=
 of all containers on the system.
>=20
> Are are there any specific examples of Linux privilege escalation vulnerab=
ilities you can share?
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
>=20
>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Anil Madhavapeddy <anil@recoil.org> wrot=
e:
>> The recent x32 ABI exploit in Linux puts the dangers of depending too muc=
h trust in containers in sharp relief.
>>=20
>> http://www.zdnet.com/low-level-exploit-sends-ubuntu-opensuse-kernel-bug-h=
unting-7000025872/
>>=20
>> Perhaps the simplest thing is to look for a list of recent CVE vulnerabil=
ities and highlight which ones would be blocked by Xen, KVM and containers. =
 I've not seen such a list elsewhere on the web.
>>=20
>> -anil
>>=20
>> On 11 Feb 2014, at 19:36, George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com> wro=
te:
>>=20
>> > There does seem to be a really big push for containers, and I do think w=
e need to think about how to get a counter-message out.
>> >
>> > The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in ter=
ms of memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though probably n=
ot for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running in PV or PVH=
 mode on Xen).
>> >
>> > But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors.  The system call i=
nterface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface.  There have been=
 dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the system cal=
l layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would give an atta=
cker control of all containers on the system.
>> >
>> > By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to b=
reak into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only worke=
d in PV mode, on Intel boxes.  I don't know what KVM's record is, but I'm su=
re it's similar.
>> >
>> > So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud environme=
nt, where users who don't trust each other share the same hardware.  Nor are=
 they appropriate if you want to make sure that successfully attacking one s=
erver cannot easily attack other servers.
>> >
>> > The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds, particul=
arly if there aren't any public-facing services, or if the public-facing ser=
vices are lower value, where security is less critical than performance.
>> >
>> > Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate=
 with KVM (or even VMWare) people about this?  Are RedHat or Canonical doing=
 anything with containers?  I think the OSv guys should be on-side; particul=
arly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their approach.
>> >
>> > -George
>> >
>> > On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>> >> FYI,
>> >>
>> >> Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is=

>> >> expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now=

>> >> "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are
>> >> positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing
>> >> hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
>> >>
>> >> The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors tha=
t
>> >> power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an entire
>> >> operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application
>> >> containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system. By=

>> >> virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater
>> >> portability, efficiency and security."
>> >>
>> >> http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/0210=
14/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=3Dfeedburner&=
utm_medium=3Dfeed&utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
>> >>
>> >> An article from Dec. 2013:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
>> >>
>> >> Some additional messaging from their web site:
>> >>
>> >> Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidl=
y:
>> >> Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500=

>> >> Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200
>> >> community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now
>> >> available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and
>> >> partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,
>> >> hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case
>> >> studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,
>> >> Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.
>> >>
>> >> I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like=

>> >> Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback fr=
om
>> >> the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a questio=
n
>> >> that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any
>> >> Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,
>> >> offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.
>> >> virtualization, etc.
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Publicity mailing list
>> > Publicity@lists.xenproject.org
>> > http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity
>> >
>>=20
>>=20
>> _______________________________________________
>> Publicity mailing list
>> Publicity@lists.xenproject.org
>> http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Sarah Conway
> PR Manager
> The Linux Foundation
> sconway@linuxfoundation.org
> (978) 578-5300  Cell
> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
> _______________________________________________
> Publicity mailing list
> Publicity@lists.xenproject.org
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Sarah, is the following the kind of in=
fo you're after?</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://timetobleed.com/=
a-closer-look-at-a-recent-privilege-escalation-bug-in-linux-cve-2013-2094/">=
http://timetobleed.com/a-closer-look-at-a-recent-privilege-escalation-bug-in=
-linux-cve-2013-2094/</a><br><br>Best wishes,<div>Amir</div><div><br></div><=
div>--</div><div>sent via mobile</div></div><div><br>On 11 Feb 2014, at 21:2=
7, Sarah Conway &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org">sconway@l=
inuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">This is excellent fodder. Regarding this info.:&nbsp;<spa=
n style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">There have been doze=
ns of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the system call lay=
ers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would give an attacker c=
ontrol of all containers on the system.</span><div>
<span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div=
><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Are are th=
ere any specific examples of&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:13px">Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities</span><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">&nbsp;</span><span=
 style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">you can share?</span>=
</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span>=
</div><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Thank=
s,</span></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Anil Madhavapeddy <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:anil@recoil.org" target=3D"_blank">anil@recoil.org</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The recent x32 ABI exploit in Linux puts the dangers of depending too much t=
rust in containers in sharp relief.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.zdnet.com/low-level-exploit-sends-ubuntu-opensuse-kern=
el-bug-hunting-7000025872/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.zdnet.com/low-level=
-exploit-sends-ubuntu-opensuse-kernel-bug-hunting-7000025872/</a><br>
<br>
Perhaps the simplest thing is to look for a list of recent CVE vulnerabiliti=
es and highlight which ones would be blocked by Xen, KVM and containers. &nb=
sp;I've not seen such a list elsewhere on the web.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
-anil<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On 11 Feb 2014, at 19:36, George Dunlap &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@=
eu.citrix.com">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; There does seem to be a really big push for containers, and I do think w=
e need to think about how to get a counter-message out.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in ter=
ms of memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though probably n=
ot for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running in PV or PVH=
 mode on Xen).<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors. &nbsp;The system c=
all interface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface. &nbsp;There=
 have been dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the s=
ystem call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would giv=
e an attacker control of all containers on the system.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to b=
reak into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only worke=
d in PV mode, on Intel boxes. &nbsp;I don't know what KVM's record is, but I=
'm sure it's similar.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud environme=
nt, where users who don't trust each other share the same hardware. &nbsp;No=
r are they appropriate if you want to make sure that successfully attacking o=
ne server cannot easily attack other servers.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds, particul=
arly if there aren't any public-facing services, or if the public-facing ser=
vices are lower value, where security is less critical than performance.<br>=


&gt;<br>
&gt; Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate=
 with KVM (or even VMWare) people about this? &nbsp;Are RedHat or Canonical d=
oing anything with containers? &nbsp;I think the OSv guys should be on-side;=
 particularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their appro=
ach.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; -George<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; FYI,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version=
 is<br>
&gt;&gt; expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can n=
ow<br>
&gt;&gt; "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are<=
br>
&gt;&gt; positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing<br>=

&gt;&gt; hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors t=
hat<br>
&gt;&gt; power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an enti=
re<br>
&gt;&gt; operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application<br>
&gt;&gt; containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system.=
 By<br>
&gt;&gt; virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater<br>=

&gt;&gt; portability, efficiency and security."<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-tec=
hnologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=
=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28=
The+VAR+Guy%29" target=3D"_blank">http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applic=
ations-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-r=
ise?utm_source=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A=
+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29</a><br>

&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; An article from Dec. 2013:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-ne=
w-hypervisors" target=3D"_blank">http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/=
containers-new-hypervisors</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Some additional messaging from their web site:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rap=
idly:<br>
&gt;&gt; Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,=
500<br>
&gt;&gt; Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200<br>=

&gt;&gt; community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now<=
br>
&gt;&gt; available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and<=
br>
&gt;&gt; partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,<b=
r>
&gt;&gt; hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case=
<br>
&gt;&gt; studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,<br>
&gt;&gt; Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.<br>=

&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies l=
ike<br>
&gt;&gt; Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback=
 from<br>
&gt;&gt; the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a ques=
tion<br>
&gt;&gt; that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back a=
ny<br>
&gt;&gt; Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe=
,<br>
&gt;&gt; offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.<br>
&gt;&gt; virtualization, etc.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; Publicity mailing list<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:Publicity@lists.xenproject.org">Publicity@lists.xenpr=
oject.org</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publici=
ty" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p=
ublicity</a><br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
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ity</a><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR Manager</div><div>The Lin=
ux Foundation<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_b=
lank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div>
<div>(978) 578-5300 &nbsp;Cell</div><div>Skype: &nbsp;sarah.k.conway</div></=
div>
</div>
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Sarah, is the following the kind of info you're after?

http://timetobleed.com/a-closer-look-at-a-recent-privilege-escalation-bug-in=
-linux-cve-2013-2094/

Best wishes,
Amir

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> On 11 Feb 2014, at 21:27, Sarah Conway <sconway@linuxfoundation.org> wrote=
:
>=20
> This is excellent fodder. Regarding this info.: There have been dozens of L=
inux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the system call layers ove=
r the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would give an attacker control=
 of all containers on the system.
>=20
> Are are there any specific examples of Linux privilege escalation vulnerab=
ilities you can share?
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
>=20
>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Anil Madhavapeddy <anil@recoil.org> wrot=
e:
>> The recent x32 ABI exploit in Linux puts the dangers of depending too muc=
h trust in containers in sharp relief.
>>=20
>> http://www.zdnet.com/low-level-exploit-sends-ubuntu-opensuse-kernel-bug-h=
unting-7000025872/
>>=20
>> Perhaps the simplest thing is to look for a list of recent CVE vulnerabil=
ities and highlight which ones would be blocked by Xen, KVM and containers. =
 I've not seen such a list elsewhere on the web.
>>=20
>> -anil
>>=20
>> On 11 Feb 2014, at 19:36, George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com> wro=
te:
>>=20
>> > There does seem to be a really big push for containers, and I do think w=
e need to think about how to get a counter-message out.
>> >
>> > The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in ter=
ms of memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though probably n=
ot for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running in PV or PVH=
 mode on Xen).
>> >
>> > But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors.  The system call i=
nterface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface.  There have been=
 dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the system cal=
l layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would give an atta=
cker control of all containers on the system.
>> >
>> > By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to b=
reak into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only worke=
d in PV mode, on Intel boxes.  I don't know what KVM's record is, but I'm su=
re it's similar.
>> >
>> > So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud environme=
nt, where users who don't trust each other share the same hardware.  Nor are=
 they appropriate if you want to make sure that successfully attacking one s=
erver cannot easily attack other servers.
>> >
>> > The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds, particul=
arly if there aren't any public-facing services, or if the public-facing ser=
vices are lower value, where security is less critical than performance.
>> >
>> > Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate=
 with KVM (or even VMWare) people about this?  Are RedHat or Canonical doing=
 anything with containers?  I think the OSv guys should be on-side; particul=
arly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their approach.
>> >
>> > -George
>> >
>> > On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>> >> FYI,
>> >>
>> >> Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is=

>> >> expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now=

>> >> "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are
>> >> positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing
>> >> hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
>> >>
>> >> The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors tha=
t
>> >> power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an entire
>> >> operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application
>> >> containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system. By=

>> >> virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater
>> >> portability, efficiency and security."
>> >>
>> >> http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/0210=
14/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=3Dfeedburner&=
utm_medium=3Dfeed&utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
>> >>
>> >> An article from Dec. 2013:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
>> >>
>> >> Some additional messaging from their web site:
>> >>
>> >> Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidl=
y:
>> >> Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500=

>> >> Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200
>> >> community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now
>> >> available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and
>> >> partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,
>> >> hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case
>> >> studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,
>> >> Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.
>> >>
>> >> I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like=

>> >> Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback fr=
om
>> >> the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a questio=
n
>> >> that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any
>> >> Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,
>> >> offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.
>> >> virtualization, etc.
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Publicity mailing list
>> > Publicity@lists.xenproject.org
>> > http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity
>> >
>>=20
>>=20
>> _______________________________________________
>> Publicity mailing list
>> Publicity@lists.xenproject.org
>> http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Sarah Conway
> PR Manager
> The Linux Foundation
> sconway@linuxfoundation.org
> (978) 578-5300  Cell
> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
> _______________________________________________
> Publicity mailing list
> Publicity@lists.xenproject.org
> http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Sarah, is the following the kind of in=
fo you're after?</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://timetobleed.com/=
a-closer-look-at-a-recent-privilege-escalation-bug-in-linux-cve-2013-2094/">=
http://timetobleed.com/a-closer-look-at-a-recent-privilege-escalation-bug-in=
-linux-cve-2013-2094/</a><br><br>Best wishes,<div>Amir</div><div><br></div><=
div>--</div><div>sent via mobile</div></div><div><br>On 11 Feb 2014, at 21:2=
7, Sarah Conway &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org">sconway@l=
inuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">This is excellent fodder. Regarding this info.:&nbsp;<spa=
n style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">There have been doze=
ns of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the system call lay=
ers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would give an attacker c=
ontrol of all containers on the system.</span><div>
<span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div=
><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Are are th=
ere any specific examples of&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:13px">Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities</span><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">&nbsp;</span><span=
 style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">you can share?</span>=
</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span>=
</div><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Thank=
s,</span></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Anil Madhavapeddy <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:anil@recoil.org" target=3D"_blank">anil@recoil.org</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The recent x32 ABI exploit in Linux puts the dangers of depending too much t=
rust in containers in sharp relief.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.zdnet.com/low-level-exploit-sends-ubuntu-opensuse-kern=
el-bug-hunting-7000025872/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.zdnet.com/low-level=
-exploit-sends-ubuntu-opensuse-kernel-bug-hunting-7000025872/</a><br>
<br>
Perhaps the simplest thing is to look for a list of recent CVE vulnerabiliti=
es and highlight which ones would be blocked by Xen, KVM and containers. &nb=
sp;I've not seen such a list elsewhere on the web.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
-anil<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On 11 Feb 2014, at 19:36, George Dunlap &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@=
eu.citrix.com">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; There does seem to be a really big push for containers, and I do think w=
e need to think about how to get a counter-message out.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in ter=
ms of memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though probably n=
ot for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running in PV or PVH=
 mode on Xen).<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors. &nbsp;The system c=
all interface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface. &nbsp;There=
 have been dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the s=
ystem call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would giv=
e an attacker control of all containers on the system.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to b=
reak into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only worke=
d in PV mode, on Intel boxes. &nbsp;I don't know what KVM's record is, but I=
'm sure it's similar.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud environme=
nt, where users who don't trust each other share the same hardware. &nbsp;No=
r are they appropriate if you want to make sure that successfully attacking o=
ne server cannot easily attack other servers.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds, particul=
arly if there aren't any public-facing services, or if the public-facing ser=
vices are lower value, where security is less critical than performance.<br>=


&gt;<br>
&gt; Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate=
 with KVM (or even VMWare) people about this? &nbsp;Are RedHat or Canonical d=
oing anything with containers? &nbsp;I think the OSv guys should be on-side;=
 particularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their appro=
ach.<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; -George<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; FYI,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version=
 is<br>
&gt;&gt; expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can n=
ow<br>
&gt;&gt; "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are<=
br>
&gt;&gt; positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing<br>=

&gt;&gt; hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors t=
hat<br>
&gt;&gt; power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an enti=
re<br>
&gt;&gt; operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application<br>
&gt;&gt; containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system.=
 By<br>
&gt;&gt; virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater<br>=

&gt;&gt; portability, efficiency and security."<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-tec=
hnologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=
=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28=
The+VAR+Guy%29" target=3D"_blank">http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applic=
ations-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-r=
ise?utm_source=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A=
+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29</a><br>

&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; An article from Dec. 2013:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-ne=
w-hypervisors" target=3D"_blank">http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/=
containers-new-hypervisors</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Some additional messaging from their web site:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rap=
idly:<br>
&gt;&gt; Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,=
500<br>
&gt;&gt; Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200<br>=

&gt;&gt; community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now<=
br>
&gt;&gt; available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and<=
br>
&gt;&gt; partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,<b=
r>
&gt;&gt; hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case=
<br>
&gt;&gt; studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,<br>
&gt;&gt; Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.<br>=

&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies l=
ike<br>
&gt;&gt; Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback=
 from<br>
&gt;&gt; the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a ques=
tion<br>
&gt;&gt; that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back a=
ny<br>
&gt;&gt; Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe=
,<br>
&gt;&gt; offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.<br>
&gt;&gt; virtualization, etc.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; Publicity mailing list<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:Publicity@lists.xenproject.org">Publicity@lists.xenpr=
oject.org</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publici=
ty" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p=
ublicity</a><br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR Manager</div><div>The Lin=
ux Foundation<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_b=
lank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div>
<div>(978) 578-5300 &nbsp;Cell</div><div>Skype: &nbsp;sarah.k.conway</div></=
div>
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On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:36 PM, George Dunlap
<george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>wrote:

> There does seem to be a really big push for containers, and I do think we
> need to think about how to get a counter-message out.
>
> The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in terms
> of memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though probably
> not for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running in PV or
> PVH mode on Xen).
>
> But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors.  The system call
> interface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface.  There have
> been dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the
> system call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would
> give an attacker control of all containers on the system.
>
> By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to
> break into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only
> worked in PV mode, on Intel boxes.  I don't know what KVM's record is, but
> I'm sure it's similar.
>
> So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud environment,
> where users who don't trust each other share the same hardware.  Nor are
> they appropriate if you want to make sure that successfully attacking one
> server cannot easily attack other servers.
>
> The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds,
> particularly if there aren't any public-facing services, or if the
> public-facing services are lower value, where security is less critical
> than performance.
>
> Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate
> with KVM (or even VMWare) people about this?  Are RedHat or Canonical doing
> anything with containers?  I think the OSv guys should be on-side;
> particularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their
> approach.
>

We are on-side!
Our own Glauber Costa (cc) gave a talk at on the subject of HV vs
Containers which can be found here https://lwn.net/Articles/524952/
Some points to use from this are:
- OS is traditionally bad at truly isolating basic resources like CPU and
memory usage between groups of tasks
- Containers comes with a  price paid in complexity.
- HV take advantage of continues HW improvements (containers do not)

Glauber, feel free to add relevant points.

Tzach



>  -George
>
>
> On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>
>> FYI,
>>
>> Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is
>> expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now
>> "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are
>> positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing
>> hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
>>
>> The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors that
>> power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an entire
>> operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application
>> containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system. By
>> virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater
>> portability, efficiency and security."
>>
>> http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/
>> docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_
>> source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+
>> TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
>>
>> An article from Dec. 2013:
>>
>> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
>>
>> Some additional messaging from their web site:
>>
>> Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:
>> Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500
>> Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200
>> community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now
>> available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and
>> partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,
>> hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case
>> studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,
>> Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.
>>
>> I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like
>> Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from
>> the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question
>> that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any
>> Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,
>> offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.
>> virtualization, etc.
>>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
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t;<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">george.d=
unlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">There does seem to be a really big push for containers, an=
d I do think we need to think about how to get a counter-message out.<br>

<br>
The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in terms o=
f memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though probably not=
 for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running in PV or PVH =
mode on Xen).<br>

<br>
But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors. =A0The system call in=
terface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface. =A0There have be=
en dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the system =
call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would give an =
attacker control of all containers on the system.<br>

<br>
By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to brea=
k into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only worked =
in PV mode, on Intel boxes. =A0I don&#39;t know what KVM&#39;s record is, b=
ut I&#39;m sure it&#39;s similar.<br>

<br>
So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud environment, =
where users who don&#39;t trust each other share the same hardware. =A0Nor =
are they appropriate if you want to make sure that successfully attacking o=
ne server cannot easily attack other servers.<br>

<br>
The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds, particularly=
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rvices are lower value, where security is less critical than performance.<b=
r>

<br>
Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate wit=
h KVM (or even VMWare) people about this? =A0Are RedHat or Canonical doing =
anything with containers? =A0I think the OSv guys should be on-side; partic=
ularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their approach.<b=
r>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>We are on-side!</div><div>Our own Glauber =
Costa (cc) gave a talk at on the subject of HV vs Containers which can be f=
ound here=A0<a href=3D"https://lwn.net/Articles/524952/">https://lwn.net/Ar=
ticles/524952/</a></div>
<div>Some points to use from this are:<br></div><div>- OS is traditionally =
bad at truly isolating basic resources like CPU and memory usage between gr=
oups of tasks<br></div><div>- Containers comes with a =A0price paid in comp=
lexity.=A0</div>
<div>- HV take advantage of continues HW improvements (containers=A0do not)=
</div><div><br></div><div>Glauber, feel free to add relevant points.</div><=
div><br></div><div>Tzach=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-wid=
th:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">

<br>
=A0-George<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
FYI,<br>
<br>
Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is<br>
expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now<br>
&quot;meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions.&quot; They ar=
e<br>
positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing<br>
hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.<br>
<br>
The article goes on to say: &quot;Unlike the virtualization hypervisors tha=
t<br>
power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn&#39;t virtualize an entire<b=
r>
operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application<br>
containers that run on top of a &quot;bare-metal&quot; host operating syste=
m. By<br>
virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater<br>
portability, efficiency and security.&quot;<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologie=
s/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=3Dfeed=
burner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VA=
R+Guy%29" target=3D"_blank">http://thevarguy.com/<u></u>virtualization-appl=
ications-<u></u>and-technologies/021014/<u></u>docker-open-source-container=
-<u></u>virtualization-rise?utm_<u></u>source=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=
=3D<u></u>feed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+<u></u>TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%2=
9</a><br>

<br>
An article from Dec. 2013:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hyperv=
isors" target=3D"_blank">http://www.networkworld.com/<u></u>community/blog/=
containers-new-<u></u>hypervisors</a><br>
<br>
Some additional messaging from their web site:<br>
<br>
Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:<br=
>
Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500<br>
Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200<br>
community developers. Over 2,500 &quot;Dockerized&quot; applications are no=
w<br>
available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and<br>
partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,<br>
hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case<br>
studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,<br>
Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.<br>
<br>
I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like<br>
Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from<br=
>
the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question<br>
that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any<br>
Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,<br>
offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.<br>
virtualization, etc.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br></div></div>
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On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:36 PM, George Dunlap
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> There does seem to be a really big push for containers, and I do think we
> need to think about how to get a counter-message out.
>
> The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in terms
> of memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though probably
> not for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running in PV or
> PVH mode on Xen).
>
> But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors.  The system call
> interface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface.  There have
> been dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the
> system call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would
> give an attacker control of all containers on the system.
>
> By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to
> break into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only
> worked in PV mode, on Intel boxes.  I don't know what KVM's record is, but
> I'm sure it's similar.
>
> So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud environment,
> where users who don't trust each other share the same hardware.  Nor are
> they appropriate if you want to make sure that successfully attacking one
> server cannot easily attack other servers.
>
> The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds,
> particularly if there aren't any public-facing services, or if the
> public-facing services are lower value, where security is less critical
> than performance.
>
> Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate
> with KVM (or even VMWare) people about this?  Are RedHat or Canonical doing
> anything with containers?  I think the OSv guys should be on-side;
> particularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their
> approach.
>

We are on-side!
Our own Glauber Costa (cc) gave a talk at on the subject of HV vs
Containers which can be found here https://lwn.net/Articles/524952/
Some points to use from this are:
- OS is traditionally bad at truly isolating basic resources like CPU and
memory usage between groups of tasks
- Containers comes with a  price paid in complexity.
- HV take advantage of continues HW improvements (containers do not)

Glauber, feel free to add relevant points.

Tzach



>  -George
>
>
> On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>
>> FYI,
>>
>> Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is
>> expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now
>> "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are
>> positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing
>> hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
>>
>> The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors that
>> power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an entire
>> operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application
>> containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system. By
>> virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater
>> portability, efficiency and security."
>>
>> http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/
>> docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_
>> source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+
>> TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
>>
>> An article from Dec. 2013:
>>
>> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
>>
>> Some additional messaging from their web site:
>>
>> Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:
>> Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500
>> Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200
>> community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now
>> available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and
>> partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,
>> hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case
>> studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,
>> Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.
>>
>> I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like
>> Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from
>> the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question
>> that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any
>> Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,
>> offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.
>> virtualization, etc.
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:36 PM, George Dunlap <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">george.d=
unlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">There does seem to be a really big push for containers, an=
d I do think we need to think about how to get a counter-message out.<br>

<br>
The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in terms o=
f memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though probably not=
 for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running in PV or PVH =
mode on Xen).<br>

<br>
But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors. =A0The system call in=
terface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface. =A0There have be=
en dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the system =
call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would give an =
attacker control of all containers on the system.<br>

<br>
By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to brea=
k into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only worked =
in PV mode, on Intel boxes. =A0I don&#39;t know what KVM&#39;s record is, b=
ut I&#39;m sure it&#39;s similar.<br>

<br>
So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud environment, =
where users who don&#39;t trust each other share the same hardware. =A0Nor =
are they appropriate if you want to make sure that successfully attacking o=
ne server cannot easily attack other servers.<br>

<br>
The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds, particularly=
 if there aren&#39;t any public-facing services, or if the public-facing se=
rvices are lower value, where security is less critical than performance.<b=
r>

<br>
Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate wit=
h KVM (or even VMWare) people about this? =A0Are RedHat or Canonical doing =
anything with containers? =A0I think the OSv guys should be on-side; partic=
ularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their approach.<b=
r>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>We are on-side!</div><div>Our own Glauber =
Costa (cc) gave a talk at on the subject of HV vs Containers which can be f=
ound here=A0<a href=3D"https://lwn.net/Articles/524952/">https://lwn.net/Ar=
ticles/524952/</a></div>
<div>Some points to use from this are:<br></div><div>- OS is traditionally =
bad at truly isolating basic resources like CPU and memory usage between gr=
oups of tasks<br></div><div>- Containers comes with a =A0price paid in comp=
lexity.=A0</div>
<div>- HV take advantage of continues HW improvements (containers=A0do not)=
</div><div><br></div><div>Glauber, feel free to add relevant points.</div><=
div><br></div><div>Tzach=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-wid=
th:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">

<br>
=A0-George<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
FYI,<br>
<br>
Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is<br>
expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now<br>
&quot;meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions.&quot; They ar=
e<br>
positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing<br>
hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.<br>
<br>
The article goes on to say: &quot;Unlike the virtualization hypervisors tha=
t<br>
power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn&#39;t virtualize an entire<b=
r>
operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application<br>
containers that run on top of a &quot;bare-metal&quot; host operating syste=
m. By<br>
virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater<br>
portability, efficiency and security.&quot;<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologie=
s/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=3Dfeed=
burner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VA=
R+Guy%29" target=3D"_blank">http://thevarguy.com/<u></u>virtualization-appl=
ications-<u></u>and-technologies/021014/<u></u>docker-open-source-container=
-<u></u>virtualization-rise?utm_<u></u>source=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=
=3D<u></u>feed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+<u></u>TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%2=
9</a><br>

<br>
An article from Dec. 2013:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hyperv=
isors" target=3D"_blank">http://www.networkworld.com/<u></u>community/blog/=
containers-new-<u></u>hypervisors</a><br>
<br>
Some additional messaging from their web site:<br>
<br>
Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:<br=
>
Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500<br>
Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200<br>
community developers. Over 2,500 &quot;Dockerized&quot; applications are no=
w<br>
available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and<br>
partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,<br>
hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case<br>
studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,<br>
Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.<br>
<br>
I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like<br>
Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from<br=
>
the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question<br>
that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any<br>
Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,<br>
offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.<br>
virtualization, etc.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
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On 12 Feb 2014, at 08:44, Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 19:42 +0000, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
>> Perhaps the simplest thing is to look for a list of recent CVE
>> vulnerabilities and highlight which ones would be blocked by Xen, KVM
>> and containers.
> 
> One thing worth remembering is that while Xen has a well defined
> security response process[0] and is proactive and transparent about
> issuing advisories (and CVEs) for anything which we become aware of,
> even relatively minor issues, while I don't believe the same can be said
> of Linux and by extension containers.
> 
> AFAIK security fixes to Linux are made, deliberately and explicitly, in
> a very low key way and appear as any other bugfix. They are not
> highlighted as security relevant and mention of a CVE or security aspect
> is routinely stripped from the commit log comments. CVEs are issued
> after the fact, if at all, when someone who is watching the commit
> stream spots it, realises the security impact, and requests it for
> themselves/their distro/etc or when the original author does so
> independently.
> 
> So the risk is that Xen CVEs will be over represented in the set of
> CVEs. On the other hand maybe the sheer volume of CVEs means that even
> if they are under reported there are loads of them anyway...

I think that's an excellent point.  The flipside is to look at exploit
sets instead, which are basically independent of security processes.

A quick look at Metasploit shows this collection:
https://github.com/rapid7/metasploit-framework/tree/master/modules

...which sadly (?) doesn't include Xen or KVM, or any other hypervisors,
but I'm sure there must be a similar set elsewhere.

-anil

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On 12 Feb 2014, at 08:44, Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 19:42 +0000, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
>> Perhaps the simplest thing is to look for a list of recent CVE
>> vulnerabilities and highlight which ones would be blocked by Xen, KVM
>> and containers.
> 
> One thing worth remembering is that while Xen has a well defined
> security response process[0] and is proactive and transparent about
> issuing advisories (and CVEs) for anything which we become aware of,
> even relatively minor issues, while I don't believe the same can be said
> of Linux and by extension containers.
> 
> AFAIK security fixes to Linux are made, deliberately and explicitly, in
> a very low key way and appear as any other bugfix. They are not
> highlighted as security relevant and mention of a CVE or security aspect
> is routinely stripped from the commit log comments. CVEs are issued
> after the fact, if at all, when someone who is watching the commit
> stream spots it, realises the security impact, and requests it for
> themselves/their distro/etc or when the original author does so
> independently.
> 
> So the risk is that Xen CVEs will be over represented in the set of
> CVEs. On the other hand maybe the sheer volume of CVEs means that even
> if they are under reported there are loads of them anyway...

I think that's an excellent point.  The flipside is to look at exploit
sets instead, which are basically independent of security processes.

A quick look at Metasploit shows this collection:
https://github.com/rapid7/metasploit-framework/tree/master/modules

...which sadly (?) doesn't include Xen or KVM, or any other hypervisors,
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Hi all,
thanks for the contributions. This is very valuable. 
https://lwn.net/Articles/524952/ is well worth a read! Thank you Tzach
@Sarah, is this enough?
@Russell, maybe you can add a couple of slides to the security talk
Lars

On 12/02/2014 13:55, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
> On 12 Feb 2014, at 08:44, Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 19:42 +0000, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
>>> Perhaps the simplest thing is to look for a list of recent CVE
>>> vulnerabilities and highlight which ones would be blocked by Xen, KVM
>>> and containers.
>> One thing worth remembering is that while Xen has a well defined
>> security response process[0] and is proactive and transparent about
>> issuing advisories (and CVEs) for anything which we become aware of,
>> even relatively minor issues, while I don't believe the same can be said
>> of Linux and by extension containers.
>>
>> AFAIK security fixes to Linux are made, deliberately and explicitly, in
>> a very low key way and appear as any other bugfix. They are not
>> highlighted as security relevant and mention of a CVE or security aspect
>> is routinely stripped from the commit log comments. CVEs are issued
>> after the fact, if at all, when someone who is watching the commit
>> stream spots it, realises the security impact, and requests it for
>> themselves/their distro/etc or when the original author does so
>> independently.
>>
>> So the risk is that Xen CVEs will be over represented in the set of
>> CVEs. On the other hand maybe the sheer volume of CVEs means that even
>> if they are under reported there are loads of them anyway...
> I think that's an excellent point.  The flipside is to look at exploit
> sets instead, which are basically independent of security processes.
>
> A quick look at Metasploit shows this collection:
> https://github.com/rapid7/metasploit-framework/tree/master/modules
>
> ...which sadly (?) doesn't include Xen or KVM, or any other hypervisors,
> but I'm sure there must be a similar set elsewhere.
>
> -anil
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Hi all,
thanks for the contributions. This is very valuable. 
https://lwn.net/Articles/524952/ is well worth a read! Thank you Tzach
@Sarah, is this enough?
@Russell, maybe you can add a couple of slides to the security talk
Lars

On 12/02/2014 13:55, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
> On 12 Feb 2014, at 08:44, Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 19:42 +0000, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
>>> Perhaps the simplest thing is to look for a list of recent CVE
>>> vulnerabilities and highlight which ones would be blocked by Xen, KVM
>>> and containers.
>> One thing worth remembering is that while Xen has a well defined
>> security response process[0] and is proactive and transparent about
>> issuing advisories (and CVEs) for anything which we become aware of,
>> even relatively minor issues, while I don't believe the same can be said
>> of Linux and by extension containers.
>>
>> AFAIK security fixes to Linux are made, deliberately and explicitly, in
>> a very low key way and appear as any other bugfix. They are not
>> highlighted as security relevant and mention of a CVE or security aspect
>> is routinely stripped from the commit log comments. CVEs are issued
>> after the fact, if at all, when someone who is watching the commit
>> stream spots it, realises the security impact, and requests it for
>> themselves/their distro/etc or when the original author does so
>> independently.
>>
>> So the risk is that Xen CVEs will be over represented in the set of
>> CVEs. On the other hand maybe the sheer volume of CVEs means that even
>> if they are under reported there are loads of them anyway...
> I think that's an excellent point.  The flipside is to look at exploit
> sets instead, which are basically independent of security processes.
>
> A quick look at Metasploit shows this collection:
> https://github.com/rapid7/metasploit-framework/tree/master/modules
>
> ...which sadly (?) doesn't include Xen or KVM, or any other hypervisors,
> but I'm sure there must be a similar set elsewhere.
>
> -anil
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>@Russell, maybe you can add a couple of slides to the security talk

I will definitely give it a shot when I get back home.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@xen.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
> thanks for the contributions. This is very valuable.
> https://lwn.net/Articles/524952/ is well worth a read! Thank you Tzach
> @Sarah, is this enough?
> @Russell, maybe you can add a couple of slides to the security talk
> Lars
>
>
> On 12/02/2014 13:55, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
>>
>> On 12 Feb 2014, at 08:44, Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 19:42 +0000, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the simplest thing is to look for a list of recent CVE
>>>> vulnerabilities and highlight which ones would be blocked by Xen, KVM
>>>> and containers.
>>>
>>> One thing worth remembering is that while Xen has a well defined
>>> security response process[0] and is proactive and transparent about
>>> issuing advisories (and CVEs) for anything which we become aware of,
>>> even relatively minor issues, while I don't believe the same can be said
>>> of Linux and by extension containers.
>>>
>>> AFAIK security fixes to Linux are made, deliberately and explicitly, in
>>> a very low key way and appear as any other bugfix. They are not
>>> highlighted as security relevant and mention of a CVE or security aspect
>>> is routinely stripped from the commit log comments. CVEs are issued
>>> after the fact, if at all, when someone who is watching the commit
>>> stream spots it, realises the security impact, and requests it for
>>> themselves/their distro/etc or when the original author does so
>>> independently.
>>>
>>> So the risk is that Xen CVEs will be over represented in the set of
>>> CVEs. On the other hand maybe the sheer volume of CVEs means that even
>>> if they are under reported there are loads of them anyway...
>>
>> I think that's an excellent point.  The flipside is to look at exploit
>> sets instead, which are basically independent of security processes.
>>
>> A quick look at Metasploit shows this collection:
>> https://github.com/rapid7/metasploit-framework/tree/master/modules
>>
>> ...which sadly (?) doesn't include Xen or KVM, or any other hypervisors,
>> but I'm sure there must be a similar set elsewhere.
>>
>> -anil
>>
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>@Russell, maybe you can add a couple of slides to the security talk

I will definitely give it a shot when I get back home.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@xen.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
> thanks for the contributions. This is very valuable.
> https://lwn.net/Articles/524952/ is well worth a read! Thank you Tzach
> @Sarah, is this enough?
> @Russell, maybe you can add a couple of slides to the security talk
> Lars
>
>
> On 12/02/2014 13:55, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
>>
>> On 12 Feb 2014, at 08:44, Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 19:42 +0000, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the simplest thing is to look for a list of recent CVE
>>>> vulnerabilities and highlight which ones would be blocked by Xen, KVM
>>>> and containers.
>>>
>>> One thing worth remembering is that while Xen has a well defined
>>> security response process[0] and is proactive and transparent about
>>> issuing advisories (and CVEs) for anything which we become aware of,
>>> even relatively minor issues, while I don't believe the same can be said
>>> of Linux and by extension containers.
>>>
>>> AFAIK security fixes to Linux are made, deliberately and explicitly, in
>>> a very low key way and appear as any other bugfix. They are not
>>> highlighted as security relevant and mention of a CVE or security aspect
>>> is routinely stripped from the commit log comments. CVEs are issued
>>> after the fact, if at all, when someone who is watching the commit
>>> stream spots it, realises the security impact, and requests it for
>>> themselves/their distro/etc or when the original author does so
>>> independently.
>>>
>>> So the risk is that Xen CVEs will be over represented in the set of
>>> CVEs. On the other hand maybe the sheer volume of CVEs means that even
>>> if they are under reported there are loads of them anyway...
>>
>> I think that's an excellent point.  The flipside is to look at exploit
>> sets instead, which are basically independent of security processes.
>>
>> A quick look at Metasploit shows this collection:
>> https://github.com/rapid7/metasploit-framework/tree/master/modules
>>
>> ...which sadly (?) doesn't include Xen or KVM, or any other hypervisors,
>> but I'm sure there must be a similar set elsewhere.
>>
>> -anil
>>
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On mar, 2014-02-11 at 18:12 +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>=20
> This is the blog status update for this week (Feb 10th to 14th).
>=20
> Last posts have been:
>  - Me, about FOSDEM (February 7)
>  - Konrad, about PVH and how to test it (January 31)
>=20
> I have the following people in the pipeline already:
>=20
>  + George Dunlap=20
>  + Julien Grall
>  + Stefano Stabellini
>=20
> George, do you think it would be possible to have one of the two posts
> you where preparing (PoD and the presentation to Huawei conf. blogified)
> by the en of this week?
>=20
> If not, Julien, any idea (and time to work on it)? Perhaps a blog
> version of your FOSDEM talk about FreeBSD on Xen on ARM?
>=20
Anyone? George? Julien?

If none of the above is ready, perhaps we can at least have something
about 4.4 release status? I mean a quick blog-ification of one of the
dev updates, latest RC, and expectations on which one could be _the_
one? That would still be something for George, I guess...

BTW, I'd have swore you were in Cc to the previous e-mail, but looking
at the headers of the copy of it I got from the list, I'm not so sure...
In case you were not, sorry for that. :-/

Dario

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On mar, 2014-02-11 at 18:12 +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>=20
> This is the blog status update for this week (Feb 10th to 14th).
>=20
> Last posts have been:
>  - Me, about FOSDEM (February 7)
>  - Konrad, about PVH and how to test it (January 31)
>=20
> I have the following people in the pipeline already:
>=20
>  + George Dunlap=20
>  + Julien Grall
>  + Stefano Stabellini
>=20
> George, do you think it would be possible to have one of the two posts
> you where preparing (PoD and the presentation to Huawei conf. blogified)
> by the en of this week?
>=20
> If not, Julien, any idea (and time to work on it)? Perhaps a blog
> version of your FOSDEM talk about FreeBSD on Xen on ARM?
>=20
Anyone? George? Julien?

If none of the above is ready, perhaps we can at least have something
about 4.4 release status? I mean a quick blog-ification of one of the
dev updates, latest RC, and expectations on which one could be _the_
one? That would still be something for George, I guess...

BTW, I'd have swore you were in Cc to the previous e-mail, but looking
at the headers of the copy of it I got from the list, I'm not so sure...
In case you were not, sorry for that. :-/

Dario

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On 02/13/2014 10:14 AM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On mar, 2014-02-11 at 18:12 +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> This is the blog status update for this week (Feb 10th to 14th).
>>
>> Last posts have been:
>>   - Me, about FOSDEM (February 7)
>>   - Konrad, about PVH and how to test it (January 31)
>>
>> I have the following people in the pipeline already:
>>
>>   + George Dunlap
>>   + Julien Grall
>>   + Stefano Stabellini
>>
>> George, do you think it would be possible to have one of the two posts
>> you where preparing (PoD and the presentation to Huawei conf. blogified)
>> by the en of this week?
>>
>> If not, Julien, any idea (and time to work on it)? Perhaps a blog
>> version of your FOSDEM talk about FreeBSD on Xen on ARM?
>>
> Anyone? George? Julien?
>
> If none of the above is ready, perhaps we can at least have something
> about 4.4 release status? I mean a quick blog-ification of one of the
> dev updates, latest RC, and expectations on which one could be _the_
> one? That would still be something for George, I guess...

Sorry -- I can work on the PoD blog today.  I think I should be able to 
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On 02/13/2014 10:14 AM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On mar, 2014-02-11 at 18:12 +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> This is the blog status update for this week (Feb 10th to 14th).
>>
>> Last posts have been:
>>   - Me, about FOSDEM (February 7)
>>   - Konrad, about PVH and how to test it (January 31)
>>
>> I have the following people in the pipeline already:
>>
>>   + George Dunlap
>>   + Julien Grall
>>   + Stefano Stabellini
>>
>> George, do you think it would be possible to have one of the two posts
>> you where preparing (PoD and the presentation to Huawei conf. blogified)
>> by the en of this week?
>>
>> If not, Julien, any idea (and time to work on it)? Perhaps a blog
>> version of your FOSDEM talk about FreeBSD on Xen on ARM?
>>
> Anyone? George? Julien?
>
> If none of the above is ready, perhaps we can at least have something
> about 4.4 release status? I mean a quick blog-ification of one of the
> dev updates, latest RC, and expectations on which one could be _the_
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Sorry -- I can work on the PoD blog today.  I think I should be able to 
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[Adding the Xen publicity mailing list]

On gio, 2014-02-13 at 03:55 +0000, Zhang, Yang Z wrote:
> Hi George,
>=20
> I have updated the Latest Xen nested status in the Xen wiki page, please =
have a look.
>
Hey Yang,

This is something really useful to have on the wiki, thanks for doing
it.

> Although it is hard to say nested is good supported or product quality, i=
t is ready to let people to know nested basically is supported by Xen.
>
Right. With that in mind, I think this topic would be a great one for a
blog post on the Xen Project's blog! The content you have on the wiki is
mostly fine as the core content of the blog post too, we'd just need a
couple more "colloquial" glue paragraph here and there, both about
nested virt in general and about Xen supporting it, for instance...

> Especially, for Xen on Xen case, I didn't see any issue with it for more =
than half of year. Besides, I am always using nested Xen to debug Xen booti=
ng issue which doesn't need to reboot my real box. And it really helps me a=
 lot.
>
...something like this line above... It's actually a quite good example
of what I meant above! :-)

So, how do you feel about this?

> So, if possible, I hope we can add nested support into Xen 4.4 release to=
 let people know current status.
>=20
Sorry for my ignorance on the subject, what is it that is missing for
making the above (and the content of the wiki) true for 4.4?

Anyway, I don't think that, whatever the answer is, it will be less
worth to have a blog post about nested virt... At most it will affect
when we want it. If it's going to be a 4.4 feature, I think the sooner
the better. If not, we can wait a little bit.

Let me know your thoughts on the idea.

Regards,
Dario

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[Adding the Xen publicity mailing list]

On gio, 2014-02-13 at 03:55 +0000, Zhang, Yang Z wrote:
> Hi George,
>=20
> I have updated the Latest Xen nested status in the Xen wiki page, please =
have a look.
>
Hey Yang,

This is something really useful to have on the wiki, thanks for doing
it.

> Although it is hard to say nested is good supported or product quality, i=
t is ready to let people to know nested basically is supported by Xen.
>
Right. With that in mind, I think this topic would be a great one for a
blog post on the Xen Project's blog! The content you have on the wiki is
mostly fine as the core content of the blog post too, we'd just need a
couple more "colloquial" glue paragraph here and there, both about
nested virt in general and about Xen supporting it, for instance...

> Especially, for Xen on Xen case, I didn't see any issue with it for more =
than half of year. Besides, I am always using nested Xen to debug Xen booti=
ng issue which doesn't need to reboot my real box. And it really helps me a=
 lot.
>
...something like this line above... It's actually a quite good example
of what I meant above! :-)

So, how do you feel about this?

> So, if possible, I hope we can add nested support into Xen 4.4 release to=
 let people know current status.
>=20
Sorry for my ignorance on the subject, what is it that is missing for
making the above (and the content of the wiki) true for 4.4?

Anyway, I don't think that, whatever the answer is, it will be less
worth to have a blog post about nested virt... At most it will affect
when we want it. If it's going to be a 4.4 feature, I think the sooner
the better. If not, we can wait a little bit.

Let me know your thoughts on the idea.

Regards,
Dario

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On gio, 2014-02-13 at 10:20 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
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>=20
> Sorry -- I can work on the PoD blog today.  I think I should be able to=
=20
> finish it.
>=20
Ok, that would definitely be fine.

Let us know when you have a draft ready for being reviewed.

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On gio, 2014-02-13 at 10:20 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
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On 02/14/2014 01:13 AM, Zhang, Yang Z wrote:
> Dario Faggioli wrote on 2014-02-13:
>> [Adding the Xen publicity mailing list]
>>
>> On gio, 2014-02-13 at 03:55 +0000, Zhang, Yang Z wrote:
>>> Hi George,
>>>
>>> I have updated the Latest Xen nested status in the Xen wiki page,
>>> please have a look.
>>>
>> Hey Yang,
>>
>> This is something really useful to have on the wiki, thanks for doing it.
>>
>>> Although it is hard to say nested is good supported or product
>>> quality, it is ready to let people to know nested basically is supported by Xen.
>>>
>> Right. With that in mind, I think this topic would be a great one for
>> a blog post on the Xen Project's blog! The content you have on the
>> wiki is mostly fine as the core content of the blog post too, we'd just need a couple more "colloquial"
>> glue paragraph here and there, both about nested virt in general and
>> about Xen supporting it, for instance...
>>
>>> Especially, for Xen on Xen case, I didn't see any issue with it for
>>> more than half
>> of year. Besides, I am always using nested Xen to debug Xen booting
>> issue which doesn't need to reboot my real box. And it really helps me a lot.
>> ...something like this line above... It's actually a quite good
>> example of what I meant above! :-)
>>
>> So, how do you feel about this?
>>
> Sure. If you can do it, that's great.
>
>>> So, if possible, I hope we can add nested support into Xen 4.4
>>> release to let people know current status.
>>>
>> Sorry for my ignorance on the subject, what is it that is missing for
>> making the above (and the content of the wiki) true for 4.4?
>>
> Sorry. I didn't clarify it clearly. Most of the patches to run nested are already in Xen upstream. What I want is to add "nested is basically supported in Xen 4.4" in the Xen 4.4 release note to let people know it.

I'm afraid "basically supported" will imply to people that they might 
consider shipping it on production systems.  But because of the issues 
with shadow-on-HAP, and the potential locking issues with the nested p2m 
table, both of which are in control of the guest admin rather than the 
host admin, I don't think that's a recommendation we can make at this time.

But I do think making some kind of announcement about common 
functionality being complete and ready to be tested would be a good 
idea.  When we come to make the release we can brainstorm on what 
wording to use.

Actually, I wonder whether advertising Win7's XP compatibility mode as a 
separate "tech preview" feature would make sense.  The people who use 
that feature are very likely very different than most other people who 
might think about using nested virtualization.

Also, re what's missing: We had a discussion a few weeks ago about what 
it might take to move nested virt out of "tech preview/experimental" 
mode.  I'll write those up and put them in my 4.4 planning e-mail so we 
can track the progress.

  -George


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On 02/14/2014 01:13 AM, Zhang, Yang Z wrote:
> Dario Faggioli wrote on 2014-02-13:
>> [Adding the Xen publicity mailing list]
>>
>> On gio, 2014-02-13 at 03:55 +0000, Zhang, Yang Z wrote:
>>> Hi George,
>>>
>>> I have updated the Latest Xen nested status in the Xen wiki page,
>>> please have a look.
>>>
>> Hey Yang,
>>
>> This is something really useful to have on the wiki, thanks for doing it.
>>
>>> Although it is hard to say nested is good supported or product
>>> quality, it is ready to let people to know nested basically is supported by Xen.
>>>
>> Right. With that in mind, I think this topic would be a great one for
>> a blog post on the Xen Project's blog! The content you have on the
>> wiki is mostly fine as the core content of the blog post too, we'd just need a couple more "colloquial"
>> glue paragraph here and there, both about nested virt in general and
>> about Xen supporting it, for instance...
>>
>>> Especially, for Xen on Xen case, I didn't see any issue with it for
>>> more than half
>> of year. Besides, I am always using nested Xen to debug Xen booting
>> issue which doesn't need to reboot my real box. And it really helps me a lot.
>> ...something like this line above... It's actually a quite good
>> example of what I meant above! :-)
>>
>> So, how do you feel about this?
>>
> Sure. If you can do it, that's great.
>
>>> So, if possible, I hope we can add nested support into Xen 4.4
>>> release to let people know current status.
>>>
>> Sorry for my ignorance on the subject, what is it that is missing for
>> making the above (and the content of the wiki) true for 4.4?
>>
> Sorry. I didn't clarify it clearly. Most of the patches to run nested are already in Xen upstream. What I want is to add "nested is basically supported in Xen 4.4" in the Xen 4.4 release note to let people know it.

I'm afraid "basically supported" will imply to people that they might 
consider shipping it on production systems.  But because of the issues 
with shadow-on-HAP, and the potential locking issues with the nested p2m 
table, both of which are in control of the guest admin rather than the 
host admin, I don't think that's a recommendation we can make at this time.

But I do think making some kind of announcement about common 
functionality being complete and ready to be tested would be a good 
idea.  When we come to make the release we can brainstorm on what 
wording to use.

Actually, I wonder whether advertising Win7's XP compatibility mode as a 
separate "tech preview" feature would make sense.  The people who use 
that feature are very likely very different than most other people who 
might think about using nested virtualization.

Also, re what's missing: We had a discussion a few weeks ago about what 
it might take to move nested virt out of "tech preview/experimental" 
mode.  I'll write those up and put them in my 4.4 planning e-mail so we 
can track the progress.

  -George


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Hi all,

Not sure if a 4.4 blog is in the works, but given that we are getting close
to our PR launch, I'd suggest that we hold on blogs promoting 4.4 features
at this point. I know there is public information online on 4.4 features,
the latest RC, etc., but too much exposure can take the wind out of our
formal press launch. Some reporters might consider it leaking the news
ahead of time. Of course, OS savvy reporters can easily find the product
roadmap and some deeply technical sites have even tracked 4.4 (ie.
Phoronix) progress. But, in general, it's a good practice to save our 4.4
blogs for our launch at this point.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thanks,


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:18 AM, Dario Faggioli
<dario.faggioli@citrix.com>wrote:

> On gio, 2014-02-13 at 10:20 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
> > On 02/13/2014 10:14 AM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> > > If none of the above is ready, perhaps we can at least have something
> > > about 4.4 release status? I mean a quick blog-ification of one of the
> > > dev updates, latest RC, and expectations on which one could be _the_
> > > one? That would still be something for George, I guess...
> >
> > Sorry -- I can work on the PoD blog today.  I think I should be able to
> > finish it.
> >
> Ok, that would definitely be fine.
>
> Let us know when you have a draft ready for being reviewed.
>
> Thanks,
> Dario
>
> --
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>Not sure if a 4.4 blog is in th=
e works, but given that we are getting close to our PR launch, I&#39;d sugg=
est that we hold on blogs promoting 4.4 features at this point. I know ther=
e is public information online on 4.4 features, the latest RC, etc., but to=
o much exposure can take the wind out of our formal press launch. Some repo=
rters might consider it leaking the news ahead of time. Of course, OS savvy=
 reporters can easily find the product roadmap and some deeply technical si=
tes have even tracked 4.4 (ie. Phoronix) progress. But, in general, it&#39;=
s a good practice to save our 4.4 blogs for our launch at this point.=A0</d=
iv>
<div><br></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">If you have any questi=
ons, please let me know.</font><div class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:arial,s=
ans-serif;font-size:13px"></div></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"=
><br>
</font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Thanks,</font></div>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu,=
 Feb 13, 2014 at 6:18 AM, Dario Faggioli <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:dario.faggioli@citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">dario.faggioli@citrix.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">On gio, 2014-02-13 at 10:20 =
+0000, George Dunlap wrote:<br>
&gt; On 02/13/2014 10:14 AM, Dario Faggioli wrote:<br>
</div><div class=3D"">&gt; &gt; If none of the above is ready, perhaps we c=
an at least have something<br>
&gt; &gt; about 4.4 release status? I mean a quick blog-ification of one of=
 the<br>
&gt; &gt; dev updates, latest RC, and expectations on which one could be _t=
he_<br>
&gt; &gt; one? That would still be something for George, I guess...<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Sorry -- I can work on the PoD blog today. =A0I think I should be able=
 to<br>
&gt; finish it.<br>
&gt;<br>
</div>Ok, that would definitely be fine.<br>
<br>
Let us know when you have a draft ready for being reviewed.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">Dario<br>
<br>
--<br>
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e)<br>
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Hi all,

Not sure if a 4.4 blog is in the works, but given that we are getting close
to our PR launch, I'd suggest that we hold on blogs promoting 4.4 features
at this point. I know there is public information online on 4.4 features,
the latest RC, etc., but too much exposure can take the wind out of our
formal press launch. Some reporters might consider it leaking the news
ahead of time. Of course, OS savvy reporters can easily find the product
roadmap and some deeply technical sites have even tracked 4.4 (ie.
Phoronix) progress. But, in general, it's a good practice to save our 4.4
blogs for our launch at this point.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thanks,


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:18 AM, Dario Faggioli
<dario.faggioli@citrix.com>wrote:

> On gio, 2014-02-13 at 10:20 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
> > On 02/13/2014 10:14 AM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> > > If none of the above is ready, perhaps we can at least have something
> > > about 4.4 release status? I mean a quick blog-ification of one of the
> > > dev updates, latest RC, and expectations on which one could be _the_
> > > one? That would still be something for George, I guess...
> >
> > Sorry -- I can work on the PoD blog today.  I think I should be able to
> > finish it.
> >
> Ok, that would definitely be fine.
>
> Let us know when you have a draft ready for being reviewed.
>
> Thanks,
> Dario
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>Not sure if a 4.4 blog is in th=
e works, but given that we are getting close to our PR launch, I&#39;d sugg=
est that we hold on blogs promoting 4.4 features at this point. I know ther=
e is public information online on 4.4 features, the latest RC, etc., but to=
o much exposure can take the wind out of our formal press launch. Some repo=
rters might consider it leaking the news ahead of time. Of course, OS savvy=
 reporters can easily find the product roadmap and some deeply technical si=
tes have even tracked 4.4 (ie. Phoronix) progress. But, in general, it&#39;=
s a good practice to save our 4.4 blogs for our launch at this point.=A0</d=
iv>
<div><br></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">If you have any questi=
ons, please let me know.</font><div class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:arial,s=
ans-serif;font-size:13px"></div></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"=
><br>
</font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Thanks,</font></div>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu,=
 Feb 13, 2014 at 6:18 AM, Dario Faggioli <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:dario.faggioli@citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">dario.faggioli@citrix.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">On gio, 2014-02-13 at 10:20 =
+0000, George Dunlap wrote:<br>
&gt; On 02/13/2014 10:14 AM, Dario Faggioli wrote:<br>
</div><div class=3D"">&gt; &gt; If none of the above is ready, perhaps we c=
an at least have something<br>
&gt; &gt; about 4.4 release status? I mean a quick blog-ification of one of=
 the<br>
&gt; &gt; dev updates, latest RC, and expectations on which one could be _t=
he_<br>
&gt; &gt; one? That would still be something for George, I guess...<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Sorry -- I can work on the PoD blog today. =A0I think I should be able=
 to<br>
&gt; finish it.<br>
&gt;<br>
</div>Ok, that would definitely be fine.<br>
<br>
Let us know when you have a draft ready for being reviewed.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">Dario<br>
<br>
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<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=
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On ven, 2014-02-14 at 09:20 -0500, Sarah Conway wrote:
> Hi all,
>=20
Hi Sarah,

> Not sure if a 4.4 blog is in the works, but given that we are getting
> close to our PR launch, I'd suggest that we hold on blogs promoting
> 4.4 features at this point. I know there is public information online
> on 4.4 features, the latest RC, etc., but too much exposure can take
> the wind out of our formal press launch. Some reporters might consider
> it leaking the news ahead of time. Of course, OS savvy reporters can
> easily find the product roadmap and some deeply technical sites have
> even tracked 4.4 (ie. Phoronix) progress. But, in general, it's a good
> practice to save our 4.4 blogs for our launch at this point.=20
>=20
Yeah, I see what you mean, and honestly, I had not thought at it that
way, so thanks for pointing this out.

Still, what I meant, was more something about the timing, a summary on
what RC we've had up to know and how they went, perhaps some general
mentioning on what is holding the release, etc.... Something that could
set expectations without giving away too much of the content, to save it
for official announcement as you were saying.

Quite frankly, although I honestly think all I just said, it was also
trying to suggest something quick and easy to write, to have something
on the blog this week! :-P

Anyway, again, I totally agree with what you say. Just to clarify, if
George manage to get out the post on PoD (next week, at this point, I
guess?), that's definitely not a 4.4 new feature, so it should be fine.

Thanks and Regards,
Dario

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On ven, 2014-02-14 at 09:20 -0500, Sarah Conway wrote:
> Hi all,
>=20
Hi Sarah,

> Not sure if a 4.4 blog is in the works, but given that we are getting
> close to our PR launch, I'd suggest that we hold on blogs promoting
> 4.4 features at this point. I know there is public information online
> on 4.4 features, the latest RC, etc., but too much exposure can take
> the wind out of our formal press launch. Some reporters might consider
> it leaking the news ahead of time. Of course, OS savvy reporters can
> easily find the product roadmap and some deeply technical sites have
> even tracked 4.4 (ie. Phoronix) progress. But, in general, it's a good
> practice to save our 4.4 blogs for our launch at this point.=20
>=20
Yeah, I see what you mean, and honestly, I had not thought at it that
way, so thanks for pointing this out.

Still, what I meant, was more something about the timing, a summary on
what RC we've had up to know and how they went, perhaps some general
mentioning on what is holding the release, etc.... Something that could
set expectations without giving away too much of the content, to save it
for official announcement as you were saying.

Quite frankly, although I honestly think all I just said, it was also
trying to suggest something quick and easy to write, to have something
on the blog this week! :-P

Anyway, again, I totally agree with what you say. Just to clarify, if
George manage to get out the post on PoD (next week, at this point, I
guess?), that's definitely not a 4.4 new feature, so it should be fine.

Thanks and Regards,
Dario

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On ven, 2014-02-14 at 01:13 +0000, Zhang, Yang Z wrote:
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> >=20
> > So, how do you feel about this?
> >=20
>=20
> Sure. If you can do it, that's great.
>
Cool! So, first step for this is you go to blog.xen.org and register,
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No need to rush, of course. Although, as per George summary, nested virt
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On ven, 2014-02-14 at 01:13 +0000, Zhang, Yang Z wrote:
> Dario Faggioli wrote on 2014-02-13:
> > ...something like this line above... It's actually a quite good=20
> > example of what I meant above! :-)
> >=20
> > So, how do you feel about this?
> >=20
>=20
> Sure. If you can do it, that's great.
>
Cool! So, first step for this is you go to blog.xen.org and register,
and then let me know your username, so that I can allow you to write
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No need to rush, of course. Although, as per George summary, nested virt
won't be advertised as production ready for 4.4, I still think that it
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On ven, 2014-02-14 at 10:24 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
> On 02/14/2014 01:13 AM, Zhang, Yang Z wrote:

> > Sorry. I didn't clarify it clearly. Most of the patches to run nested a=
re already in Xen upstream. What I want is to add "nested is basically supp=
orted in Xen 4.4" in the Xen 4.4 release note to let people know it.
>=20
> I'm afraid "basically supported" will imply to people that they might=20
> consider shipping it on production systems.  But because of the issues=
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> with shadow-on-HAP, and the potential locking issues with the nested p2m=
=20
> table, both of which are in control of the guest admin rather than the=
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> But I do think making some kind of announcement about common=20
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> idea.  When we come to make the release we can brainstorm on what=20
> wording to use.
>=20
I agree. Let's not sell something not entirely ready, as that could
backfire, but we should at least hint that it's there and it's improved.

> Actually, I wonder whether advertising Win7's XP compatibility mode as a=
=20
> separate "tech preview" feature would make sense.  The people who use=20
> that feature are very likely very different than most other people who=
=20
> might think about using nested virtualization.
>=20
Completely agree again. And this is something that could be very well
described in a blog post on the subject (happening after the release), I
think. :-)

Regads,
Dario

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On ven, 2014-02-14 at 10:24 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
> On 02/14/2014 01:13 AM, Zhang, Yang Z wrote:

> > Sorry. I didn't clarify it clearly. Most of the patches to run nested a=
re already in Xen upstream. What I want is to add "nested is basically supp=
orted in Xen 4.4" in the Xen 4.4 release note to let people know it.
>=20
> I'm afraid "basically supported" will imply to people that they might=20
> consider shipping it on production systems.  But because of the issues=
=20
> with shadow-on-HAP, and the potential locking issues with the nested p2m=
=20
> table, both of which are in control of the guest admin rather than the=
=20
> host admin, I don't think that's a recommendation we can make at this tim=
e.
>=20
> But I do think making some kind of announcement about common=20
> functionality being complete and ready to be tested would be a good=20
> idea.  When we come to make the release we can brainstorm on what=20
> wording to use.
>=20
I agree. Let's not sell something not entirely ready, as that could
backfire, but we should at least hint that it's there and it's improved.

> Actually, I wonder whether advertising Win7's XP compatibility mode as a=
=20
> separate "tech preview" feature would make sense.  The people who use=20
> that feature are very likely very different than most other people who=
=20
> might think about using nested virtualization.
>=20
Completely agree again. And this is something that could be very well
described in a blog post on the subject (happening after the release), I
think. :-)

Regads,
Dario

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On mar, 2014-02-11 at 21:01 +0100, Joanna Rutkowska wrote:
> Hi Dario,
>=20
Hey,

> Thanks for the update and for undertaking all the efforts to show of
> Qubes OS :)
>=20
My pleasure. And believe me, it was a lot of fun. :-)

> I think that a non-working windows support on a FOSDEM conference might
> just not be that much of a problem anyway ;)
>
Indeed!!

BTW, we did never do that kind-of-interview to you, and perhaps a second
one, more technical, to both you and Marek, about Qubes OS for the Xen
blog we discussed a bunch of time ago.

I know it's my mostly fault dropping it, as I was overloaded by other
stuff, sorry for that. So, are you still up for it? If yes, I can work
on it a bit, and we can aim at having something ready for after Xen 4.4
release.

Regards,
Dario

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On mar, 2014-02-11 at 21:01 +0100, Joanna Rutkowska wrote:
> Hi Dario,
>=20
Hey,

> Thanks for the update and for undertaking all the efforts to show of
> Qubes OS :)
>=20
My pleasure. And believe me, it was a lot of fun. :-)

> I think that a non-working windows support on a FOSDEM conference might
> just not be that much of a problem anyway ;)
>
Indeed!!

BTW, we did never do that kind-of-interview to you, and perhaps a second
one, more technical, to both you and Marek, about Qubes OS for the Xen
blog we discussed a bunch of time ago.

I know it's my mostly fault dropping it, as I was overloaded by other
stuff, sorry for that. So, are you still up for it? If yes, I can work
on it a bit, and we can aim at having something ready for after Xen 4.4
release.

Regards,
Dario

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On 02/14/2014 02:32 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> Anyway, again, I totally agree with what you say. Just to clarify, if
> George manage to get out the post on PoD (next week, at this point, I
> guess?), that's definitely not a 4.4 new feature, so it should be fine.

Well I've got this much done:

http://blog.xen.org/?p=8848&preview=true

It's basically just PoD from a user perspective, without the technical 
description.  I was dithering a bit between trying to draw some diagrams 
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On 02/14/2014 02:32 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> Anyway, again, I totally agree with what you say. Just to clarify, if
> George manage to get out the post on PoD (next week, at this point, I
> guess?), that's definitely not a 4.4 new feature, so it should be fine.

Well I've got this much done:

http://blog.xen.org/?p=8848&preview=true

It's basically just PoD from a user perspective, without the technical 
description.  I was dithering a bit between trying to draw some diagrams 
to make the user description more understandable, and going through and 
trying to describe more of the technical details.

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Hi all,

I made a few grammar edits. Just wanted to point out this sentence, which
is a bit awkward to me, especially the ending.

Thanks,

Populate-on-demand comes into play in Xen whenever you start an HVM guest
with maxmem and memory set do different values.


On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:11 AM, George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com
> wrote:

> On 02/14/2014 02:32 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>
>> Anyway, again, I totally agree with what you say. Just to clarify, if
>> George manage to get out the post on PoD (next week, at this point, I
>> guess?), that's definitely not a 4.4 new feature, so it should be fine.
>>
>
> Well I've got this much done:
>
> http://blog.xen.org/?p=8848&preview=true
>
> It's basically just PoD from a user perspective, without the technical
> description.  I was dithering a bit between trying to draw some diagrams to
> make the user description more understandable, and going through and trying
> to describe more of the technical details.
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
>  -G
>



-- 
Sarah Conway
PR Manager
The Linux Foundation
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all,=A0<div><br></div><div>I made a few grammar edits. =
Just wanted to point out this sentence, which is a bit awkward to me, espec=
ially the ending.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div=
>
<span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,&#39;Times New Roman=
&#39;,&#39;Bitstream Charter&#39;,Times,serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19=
px">Populate-on-demand comes into play in Xen whenever you start an HVM gue=
st with=A0</span><code style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;line-hei=
ght:19px">maxmem</code><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georg=
ia,&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,&#39;Bitstream Charter&#39;,Times,serif;font-s=
ize:13px;line-height:19px">=A0and=A0</span><code style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,5=
1);font-size:13px;line-height:19px">memory</code><span style=3D"color:rgb(5=
1,51,51);font-family:Georgia,&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,&#39;Bitstream Chart=
er&#39;,Times,serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">=A0set do different va=
lues.=A0</span><br>
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:11 AM, George Dunlap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">george.dunlap@eu=
.citrix.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">On 02/14/2014 02:32 PM, Dari=
o Faggioli wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Anyway, again, I totally agree with what you say. Just to clarify, if<br>
George manage to get out the post on PoD (next week, at this point, I<br>
guess?), that&#39;s definitely not a 4.4 new feature, so it should be fine.=
<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Well I&#39;ve got this much done:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://blog.xen.org/?p=3D8848&amp;preview=3Dtrue" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://blog.xen.org/?p=3D8848&amp;<u></u>preview=3Dtrue</a><br>
<br>
It&#39;s basically just PoD from a user perspective, without the technical =
description. =A0I was dithering a bit between trying to draw some diagrams =
to make the user description more understandable, and going through and try=
ing to describe more of the technical details.<br>

<br>
Let me know what you think.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><=
br>
<br>
=A0-G<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <b=
r><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR Manager</div><div>The=
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=3D"_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div>
<div>(978) 578-5300 =A0Cell</div><div>Skype: =A0sarah.k.conway</div></div>
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Hi all,

I made a few grammar edits. Just wanted to point out this sentence, which
is a bit awkward to me, especially the ending.

Thanks,

Populate-on-demand comes into play in Xen whenever you start an HVM guest
with maxmem and memory set do different values.


On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:11 AM, George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com
> wrote:

> On 02/14/2014 02:32 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>
>> Anyway, again, I totally agree with what you say. Just to clarify, if
>> George manage to get out the post on PoD (next week, at this point, I
>> guess?), that's definitely not a 4.4 new feature, so it should be fine.
>>
>
> Well I've got this much done:
>
> http://blog.xen.org/?p=8848&preview=true
>
> It's basically just PoD from a user perspective, without the technical
> description.  I was dithering a bit between trying to draw some diagrams to
> make the user description more understandable, and going through and trying
> to describe more of the technical details.
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
>  -G
>



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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all,=A0<div><br></div><div>I made a few grammar edits. =
Just wanted to point out this sentence, which is a bit awkward to me, espec=
ially the ending.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div=
>
<span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,&#39;Times New Roman=
&#39;,&#39;Bitstream Charter&#39;,Times,serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19=
px">Populate-on-demand comes into play in Xen whenever you start an HVM gue=
st with=A0</span><code style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;line-hei=
ght:19px">maxmem</code><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georg=
ia,&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,&#39;Bitstream Charter&#39;,Times,serif;font-s=
ize:13px;line-height:19px">=A0and=A0</span><code style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,5=
1);font-size:13px;line-height:19px">memory</code><span style=3D"color:rgb(5=
1,51,51);font-family:Georgia,&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,&#39;Bitstream Chart=
er&#39;,Times,serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">=A0set do different va=
lues.=A0</span><br>
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:11 AM, George Dunlap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">george.dunlap@eu=
.citrix.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">On 02/14/2014 02:32 PM, Dari=
o Faggioli wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Anyway, again, I totally agree with what you say. Just to clarify, if<br>
George manage to get out the post on PoD (next week, at this point, I<br>
guess?), that&#39;s definitely not a 4.4 new feature, so it should be fine.=
<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Well I&#39;ve got this much done:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://blog.xen.org/?p=3D8848&amp;preview=3Dtrue" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://blog.xen.org/?p=3D8848&amp;<u></u>preview=3Dtrue</a><br>
<br>
It&#39;s basically just PoD from a user perspective, without the technical =
description. =A0I was dithering a bit between trying to draw some diagrams =
to make the user description more understandable, and going through and try=
ing to describe more of the technical details.<br>

<br>
Let me know what you think.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><=
br>
<br>
=A0-G<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <b=
r><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR Manager</div><div>The=
 Linux Foundation<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=
=3D"_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div>
<div>(978) 578-5300 =A0Cell</div><div>Skype: =A0sarah.k.conway</div></div>
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On 02/14/2014 03:50 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I made a few grammar edits. Just wanted to point out this sentence, 
> which is a bit awkward to me, especially the ending.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Populate-on-demand comes into play in Xen whenever you start an HVM 
> guest with |maxmem| and |memory| set do different values.

Sorry, that should be "set *to* different values".  Does that make more 
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            style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,'Times New
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On 02/14/2014 03:50 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I made a few grammar edits. Just wanted to point out this sentence, 
> which is a bit awkward to me, especially the ending.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Populate-on-demand comes into play in Xen whenever you start an HVM 
> guest with |maxmem| and |memory| set do different values.

Sorry, that should be "set *to* different values".  Does that make more 
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  -George


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      <div dir="ltr">Hi all,&nbsp;
        <div><br>
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        <div>I made a few grammar edits. Just wanted to point out this
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        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Thanks,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>
          <span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,'Times
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            Charter',Times,serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">Populate-on-demand
            comes into play in Xen whenever you start an HVM guest with&nbsp;</span><code
            style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;line-height:19px">maxmem</code><span
            style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,'Times New
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            Charter',Times,serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">&nbsp;and&nbsp;</span><code
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            style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,'Times New
            Roman','Bitstream
            Charter',Times,serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">&nbsp;set
            do different values. </span><br>
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    Sorry, that should be "set *to* different values".&nbsp; Does that make
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On ven, 2014-02-14 at 15:11 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
> On 02/14/2014 02:32 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> > Anyway, again, I totally agree with what you say. Just to clarify, if
> > George manage to get out the post on PoD (next week, at this point, I
> > guess?), that's definitely not a 4.4 new feature, so it should be fine.
>=20
> Well I've got this much done:
>=20
> http://blog.xen.org/?p=3D8848&preview=3Dtrue
>=20
Oh, great!

And now I've had a look at it.

> It's basically just PoD from a user perspective, without the technical=
=20
> description. =20
>
Yes, and it's a really nice writeup of that.

> I was dithering a bit between trying to draw some diagrams=20
> to make the user description more understandable, and going through and=
=20
> trying to describe more of the technical details.
>=20
> Let me know what you think.
>=20
I'm not sure either. I'd say that the post as it is, even better with
a/some diagram, is already a really nice one. The only thing that
puzzles me in this case, is that it, yes, describes what PoD is and how
it functions, but, since the user can't really do nothing about or with
PoD (or can he?), it'd all be for the sake of knowing it, which may be a
bit weak of a motivation. Of course, if there were the technical and
implementation details, that would be "fixed", but I don't know how much
time and effort it's required be to add those.

TBH, I really would like to have a more technical and implementation
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many dominate, and because it's a while we haven't had a 'Xen internals'
post. Of course, we can make this a process with two phases, the first
one of which is what you have, the second is the more technical
description.

On that ground, and if you're up to writing "episode II" (in a few
weeks, of course, e.g., when it will be your turn to blog again!), I'd
say, stick there a few hyperlinks, a cool (and copyleft) photo of some
balloons, a diagram --if possible-- and go for it!

Does that make sense?

Oh, if doing it this way, one thing that I'd mention, at the bottom, is
what happens in PV. Just very lightly and quickly, but I guess, since
you mention HVM, someone not super-knowledgeable about the Xen
architecture, while being perfectly able to follow the post until there,
could wonder something like: <<why only in HVM guests? how is the thing
different in PV guests?>>

Thanks and Regards,
Dario

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On ven, 2014-02-14 at 15:11 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
> On 02/14/2014 02:32 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> > Anyway, again, I totally agree with what you say. Just to clarify, if
> > George manage to get out the post on PoD (next week, at this point, I
> > guess?), that's definitely not a 4.4 new feature, so it should be fine.
>=20
> Well I've got this much done:
>=20
> http://blog.xen.org/?p=3D8848&preview=3Dtrue
>=20
Oh, great!

And now I've had a look at it.

> It's basically just PoD from a user perspective, without the technical=
=20
> description. =20
>
Yes, and it's a really nice writeup of that.

> I was dithering a bit between trying to draw some diagrams=20
> to make the user description more understandable, and going through and=
=20
> trying to describe more of the technical details.
>=20
> Let me know what you think.
>=20
I'm not sure either. I'd say that the post as it is, even better with
a/some diagram, is already a really nice one. The only thing that
puzzles me in this case, is that it, yes, describes what PoD is and how
it functions, but, since the user can't really do nothing about or with
PoD (or can he?), it'd all be for the sake of knowing it, which may be a
bit weak of a motivation. Of course, if there were the technical and
implementation details, that would be "fixed", but I don't know how much
time and effort it's required be to add those.

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focused post about this, as I think it's something important that not
many dominate, and because it's a while we haven't had a 'Xen internals'
post. Of course, we can make this a process with two phases, the first
one of which is what you have, the second is the more technical
description.

On that ground, and if you're up to writing "episode II" (in a few
weeks, of course, e.g., when it will be your turn to blog again!), I'd
say, stick there a few hyperlinks, a cool (and copyleft) photo of some
balloons, a diagram --if possible-- and go for it!

Does that make sense?

Oh, if doing it this way, one thing that I'd mention, at the bottom, is
what happens in PV. Just very lightly and quickly, but I guess, since
you mention HVM, someone not super-knowledgeable about the Xen
architecture, while being perfectly able to follow the post until there,
could wonder something like: <<why only in HVM guests? how is the thing
different in PV guests?>>

Thanks and Regards,
Dario

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On 02/14/14 15:45, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On mar, 2014-02-11 at 21:01 +0100, Joanna Rutkowska wrote:
>> Hi Dario,
>>
> Hey,
>=20
>> Thanks for the update and for undertaking all the efforts to show of
>> Qubes OS :)
>>
> My pleasure. And believe me, it was a lot of fun. :-)
>=20
>> I think that a non-working windows support on a FOSDEM conference migh=
t
>> just not be that much of a problem anyway ;)
>>
> Indeed!!
>=20
> BTW, we did never do that kind-of-interview to you, and perhaps a secon=
d
> one, more technical, to both you and Marek, about Qubes OS for the Xen
> blog we discussed a bunch of time ago.
>=20
> I know it's my mostly fault dropping it, as I was overloaded by other
> stuff, sorry for that. So, are you still up for it? If yes, I can work
> on it a bit, and we can aim at having something ready for after Xen 4.4=

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Sure, with pleasure.

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On 02/14/14 15:45, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On mar, 2014-02-11 at 21:01 +0100, Joanna Rutkowska wrote:
>> Hi Dario,
>>
> Hey,
>=20
>> Thanks for the update and for undertaking all the efforts to show of
>> Qubes OS :)
>>
> My pleasure. And believe me, it was a lot of fun. :-)
>=20
>> I think that a non-working windows support on a FOSDEM conference migh=
t
>> just not be that much of a problem anyway ;)
>>
> Indeed!!
>=20
> BTW, we did never do that kind-of-interview to you, and perhaps a secon=
d
> one, more technical, to both you and Marek, about Qubes OS for the Xen
> blog we discussed a bunch of time ago.
>=20
> I know it's my mostly fault dropping it, as I was overloaded by other
> stuff, sorry for that. So, are you still up for it? If yes, I can work
> on it a bit, and we can aim at having something ready for after Xen 4.4=

> release.

Sure, with pleasure.

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On 02/14/2014 04:09 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On ven, 2014-02-14 at 15:11 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
>> On 02/14/2014 02:32 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>>> Anyway, again, I totally agree with what you say. Just to clarify, if
>>> George manage to get out the post on PoD (next week, at this point, I
>>> guess?), that's definitely not a 4.4 new feature, so it should be fine.
>> Well I've got this much done:
>>
>> http://blog.xen.org/?p=8848&preview=true
>>
> Oh, great!
>
> And now I've had a look at it.
>
>> It's basically just PoD from a user perspective, without the technical
>> description.
>>
> Yes, and it's a really nice writeup of that.
>
>> I was dithering a bit between trying to draw some diagrams
>> to make the user description more understandable, and going through and
>> trying to describe more of the technical details.
>>
>> Let me know what you think.
>>
> I'm not sure either. I'd say that the post as it is, even better with
> a/some diagram, is already a really nice one. The only thing that
> puzzles me in this case, is that it, yes, describes what PoD is and how
> it functions, but, since the user can't really do nothing about or with
> PoD (or can he?), it'd all be for the sake of knowing it, which may be a
> bit weak of a motivation. Of course, if there were the technical and
> implementation details, that would be "fixed", but I don't know how much
> time and effort it's required be to add those.
>
> TBH, I really would like to have a more technical and implementation
> focused post about this, as I think it's something important that not
> many dominate, and because it's a while we haven't had a 'Xen internals'
> post. Of course, we can make this a process with two phases, the first
> one of which is what you have, the second is the more technical
> description.
>
> On that ground, and if you're up to writing "episode II" (in a few
> weeks, of course, e.g., when it will be your turn to blog again!), I'd
> say, stick there a few hyperlinks, a cool (and copyleft) photo of some
> balloons, a diagram --if possible-- and go for it!
>
> Does that make sense?

As it happens, I'm about halfway through a "technical internals" 
description, so I think I'll just finish it up.

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On 02/14/2014 04:09 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On ven, 2014-02-14 at 15:11 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
>> On 02/14/2014 02:32 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>>> Anyway, again, I totally agree with what you say. Just to clarify, if
>>> George manage to get out the post on PoD (next week, at this point, I
>>> guess?), that's definitely not a 4.4 new feature, so it should be fine.
>> Well I've got this much done:
>>
>> http://blog.xen.org/?p=8848&preview=true
>>
> Oh, great!
>
> And now I've had a look at it.
>
>> It's basically just PoD from a user perspective, without the technical
>> description.
>>
> Yes, and it's a really nice writeup of that.
>
>> I was dithering a bit between trying to draw some diagrams
>> to make the user description more understandable, and going through and
>> trying to describe more of the technical details.
>>
>> Let me know what you think.
>>
> I'm not sure either. I'd say that the post as it is, even better with
> a/some diagram, is already a really nice one. The only thing that
> puzzles me in this case, is that it, yes, describes what PoD is and how
> it functions, but, since the user can't really do nothing about or with
> PoD (or can he?), it'd all be for the sake of knowing it, which may be a
> bit weak of a motivation. Of course, if there were the technical and
> implementation details, that would be "fixed", but I don't know how much
> time and effort it's required be to add those.
>
> TBH, I really would like to have a more technical and implementation
> focused post about this, as I think it's something important that not
> many dominate, and because it's a while we haven't had a 'Xen internals'
> post. Of course, we can make this a process with two phases, the first
> one of which is what you have, the second is the more technical
> description.
>
> On that ground, and if you're up to writing "episode II" (in a few
> weeks, of course, e.g., when it will be your turn to blog again!), I'd
> say, stick there a few hyperlinks, a cool (and copyleft) photo of some
> balloons, a diagram --if possible-- and go for it!
>
> Does that make sense?

As it happens, I'm about halfway through a "technical internals" 
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On ven, 2014-02-14 at 16:25 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
> > Does that make sense?
>=20
> As it happens, I'm about halfway through a "technical internals"=20
> description,=20
>
Aha, right... virtues and vices of asynchronous communication, I
guess. :-)

> so I think I'll just finish it up.
>=20
Sure, go ahead. Having both (non tech + tech) was actually the original
plan. I was providing alternative assuming that you couldn't put the
'tech' part there now, but if you can, I think that is the absolute
best.

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On ven, 2014-02-14 at 16:25 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
> > Does that make sense?
>=20
> As it happens, I'm about halfway through a "technical internals"=20
> description,=20
>
Aha, right... virtues and vices of asynchronous communication, I
guess. :-)

> so I think I'll just finish it up.
>=20
Sure, go ahead. Having both (non tech + tech) was actually the original
plan. I was providing alternative assuming that you couldn't put the
'tech' part there now, but if you can, I think that is the absolute
best.

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Dario

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On mar, 2014-02-11 at 19:01 +0000, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
> A timely question!  We have quite a few articles that have gone up now;
> the front page has a summary of recent updates; http://www.openmirage.org=
/
>=20
Terrific!

> Some specific articles that may be of interest from the docs page:
> http://www.openmirage.org/docs/
>=20
> - How Xen events work: http://openmirage.org/wiki/xen-events
> - How Xen suspend/resume works: http://openmirage.org/wiki/xen-suspend
> - Building custom disk backends: http://openmirage.org/wiki/xen-synthesiz=
e-virtual-disk
> - A walkthrough building a Hello World Xen kernel: http://openmirage.org/=
wiki/hello-world
>=20
Right, some of them, I saw, some other I missed... I'll have a look.
Thanks for the complete set of pointers.

> As for distilling these down to a Xen blog post, I'll defer to someone wi=
th a little more time than I have right now.  I like the thinking though :-=
)
>=20
You mean you like the thinking behind, 'distilling these into summary
doc...'? Well, I bit you do, since it's you that said it, earlier in the
thread. :-D :-D

As per actually doing such distilling, I'll have a look at the articles
and then provide my view, by pinging again this thread. Will this be
fine, or is there someone in particular I should be talking to?

Thanks and Regards,
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On mar, 2014-02-11 at 19:01 +0000, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
> A timely question!  We have quite a few articles that have gone up now;
> the front page has a summary of recent updates; http://www.openmirage.org=
/
>=20
Terrific!

> Some specific articles that may be of interest from the docs page:
> http://www.openmirage.org/docs/
>=20
> - How Xen events work: http://openmirage.org/wiki/xen-events
> - How Xen suspend/resume works: http://openmirage.org/wiki/xen-suspend
> - Building custom disk backends: http://openmirage.org/wiki/xen-synthesiz=
e-virtual-disk
> - A walkthrough building a Hello World Xen kernel: http://openmirage.org/=
wiki/hello-world
>=20
Right, some of them, I saw, some other I missed... I'll have a look.
Thanks for the complete set of pointers.

> As for distilling these down to a Xen blog post, I'll defer to someone wi=
th a little more time than I have right now.  I like the thinking though :-=
)
>=20
You mean you like the thinking behind, 'distilling these into summary
doc...'? Well, I bit you do, since it's you that said it, earlier in the
thread. :-D :-D

As per actually doing such distilling, I'll have a look at the articles
and then provide my view, by pinging again this thread. Will this be
fine, or is there someone in particular I should be talking to?

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On 02/14/2014 04:40 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
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On 14 Feb 2014, at 16:44, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:
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>> As for distilling these down to a Xen blog post, I'll defer to someone with a little more time than I have right now.  I like the thinking though :-)
>> 
> You mean you like the thinking behind, 'distilling these into summary
> doc...'? Well, I bit you do, since it's you that said it, earlier in the
> thread. :-D :-D
> 
> As per actually doing such distilling, I'll have a look at the articles
> and then provide my view, by pinging again this thread. Will this be
> fine, or is there someone in particular I should be talking to?
> 

This thread's just fine -- Dave, Jon and I definitely want to continue to
write these little blog posts to explain individual libraries as we find
time, as it's very helpful way to code review portions of Mirage as well.

This is especially true now that the basic libraries structures have
settled down in Mirage 1.1.x, thanks to Dave's splitting up of the Xen
libxc bits into fully parallel installable bits.

I'm currently working on rebasing our fork of MiniOS back to upstream Xen,
using ocaml-ctypes for the glue bindings.  This is both in hope of a future
ARM MiniOS, but also to make the 'how a VM boots' part of Mirage much easier
to explain and to support HVM booting.

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On 14 Feb 2014, at 16:44, Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com> wrote:
> 
>> As for distilling these down to a Xen blog post, I'll defer to someone with a little more time than I have right now.  I like the thinking though :-)
>> 
> You mean you like the thinking behind, 'distilling these into summary
> doc...'? Well, I bit you do, since it's you that said it, earlier in the
> thread. :-D :-D
> 
> As per actually doing such distilling, I'll have a look at the articles
> and then provide my view, by pinging again this thread. Will this be
> fine, or is there someone in particular I should be talking to?
> 

This thread's just fine -- Dave, Jon and I definitely want to continue to
write these little blog posts to explain individual libraries as we find
time, as it's very helpful way to code review portions of Mirage as well.

This is especially true now that the basic libraries structures have
settled down in Mirage 1.1.x, thanks to Dave's splitting up of the Xen
libxc bits into fully parallel installable bits.

I'm currently working on rebasing our fork of MiniOS back to upstream Xen,
using ocaml-ctypes for the glue bindings.  This is both in hope of a future
ARM MiniOS, but also to make the 'how a VM boots' part of Mirage much easier
to explain and to support HVM booting.

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Dario Faggioli wrote on 2014-02-13:
> [Adding the Xen publicity mailing list]
> 
> On gio, 2014-02-13 at 03:55 +0000, Zhang, Yang Z wrote:
>> Hi George,
>> 
>> I have updated the Latest Xen nested status in the Xen wiki page, 
>> please have a look.
>> 
> Hey Yang,
> 
> This is something really useful to have on the wiki, thanks for doing it.
> 
>> Although it is hard to say nested is good supported or product 
>> quality, it is ready to let people to know nested basically is supported by Xen.
>> 
> Right. With that in mind, I think this topic would be a great one for 
> a blog post on the Xen Project's blog! The content you have on the 
> wiki is mostly fine as the core content of the blog post too, we'd just need a couple more "colloquial"
> glue paragraph here and there, both about nested virt in general and 
> about Xen supporting it, for instance...
> 
>> Especially, for Xen on Xen case, I didn't see any issue with it for 
>> more than half
> of year. Besides, I am always using nested Xen to debug Xen booting 
> issue which doesn't need to reboot my real box. And it really helps me a lot.
>> 
> ...something like this line above... It's actually a quite good 
> example of what I meant above! :-)
> 
> So, how do you feel about this?
> 

Sure. If you can do it, that's great.

>> So, if possible, I hope we can add nested support into Xen 4.4 
>> release to let people know current status.
>> 
> Sorry for my ignorance on the subject, what is it that is missing for 
> making the above (and the content of the wiki) true for 4.4?
> 

Sorry. I didn't clarify it clearly. Most of the patches to run nested are already in Xen upstream. What I want is to add "nested is basically supported in Xen 4.4" in the Xen 4.4 release note to let people know it.

> Anyway, I don't think that, whatever the answer is, it will be less 
> worth to have a blog post about nested virt... At most it will affect 
> when we want it. If it's going to be a 4.4 feature, I think the sooner 
> the better. If not, we can wait a little bit.
> 
> Let me know your thoughts on the idea.
> 
> Regards,
> Dario
>


Best regards,
Yang

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On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Tzach Livyatan <tzach@cloudius-systems.com
> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:36 PM, George Dunlap <
> george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
>
>> There does seem to be a really big push for containers, and I do think we
>> need to think about how to get a counter-message out.
>>
>> The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in terms
>> of memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though probably
>> not for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running in PV or
>> PVH mode on Xen).
>>
>> But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors.  The system call
>> interface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface.  There have
>> been dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the
>> system call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would
>> give an attacker control of all containers on the system.
>>
>> By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to
>> break into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only
>> worked in PV mode, on Intel boxes.  I don't know what KVM's record is, but
>> I'm sure it's similar.
>>
>> So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud
>> environment, where users who don't trust each other share the same
>> hardware.  Nor are they appropriate if you want to make sure that
>> successfully attacking one server cannot easily attack other servers.
>>
>> The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds,
>> particularly if there aren't any public-facing services, or if the
>> public-facing services are lower value, where security is less critical
>> than performance.
>>
>> Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate
>> with KVM (or even VMWare) people about this?  Are RedHat or Canonical doing
>> anything with containers?  I think the OSv guys should be on-side;
>> particularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their
>> approach.
>>
>
> We are on-side!
> Our own Glauber Costa (cc) gave a talk at on the subject of HV vs
> Containers which can be found here https://lwn.net/Articles/524952/
> Some points to use from this are:
> - OS is traditionally bad at truly isolating basic resources like CPU and
> memory usage between groups of tasks
> - Containers comes with a  price paid in complexity.
> - HV take advantage of continues HW improvements (containers do not)
>
> Glauber, feel free to add relevant points.
>
>
Hi

So that talk I gave was not really an HV vs containers, it was more a
containers overview when I was working in the containers side.
When I joined Cloudius, I have published the following text:
https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa

My main message was that an OS like OSv changes the game, because it
bridges the duplication gap without giving up the rest. When I
published, it reached a small audience because we had very little
followers. If you have a broader channel, it would be good to broadcast
or link to it.

Other aspects for consideration: It depends really which audience we want
to reach.
-For more sophisticated audiences, it is worthwhile to point out (although
obvious) that using containers will restrict your ability to be in control
of your kernel (even talking cross-OS), and once you start using it, it's
harder to maintain an heterogeneous environment. This makes it a no-go
for whoever is selling IaaS.

- The performance thing with containers is *not* true. They use cgroups,
which are expensive. As much as I have succeeded to make that cost go down,
it is still expensive. We are doing benchmarks against Linux as a guest,
maybe we should start looking at doing benchmarks against a container
environment?

- I am following the follow up of my work closely (kmemcg shrinking), and
this is not yet complete in Linux. What it means is that it is still
impossible
to properly control kernel memory used by each container. It is still
trivial for a malicious containers to destroy everything. There are many
other holes to gap,
and while they are there containers are particularly insecure.

The advantage of containers that we do need to be aware of, is that it
allows for greater flexibility of resource sharing. For instance, you can
leave
all processes to use the disk cpu freely, while they are restricted for
memory only. This can be handy in some cases, but it is probably not that
broadly
relevant.


Tzach
>
>
>
>>  -George
>>
>>
>> On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>>
>>> FYI,
>>>
>>> Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is
>>> expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now
>>> "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are
>>> positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing
>>> hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
>>>
>>> The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors that
>>> power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an entire
>>> operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application
>>> containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system. By
>>> virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater
>>> portability, efficiency and security."
>>>
>>> http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-
>>> and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-
>>> virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=
>>> feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
>>>
>>> An article from Dec. 2013:
>>>
>>> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
>>>
>>> Some additional messaging from their web site:
>>>
>>> Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:
>>> Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500
>>> Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200
>>> community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now
>>> available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and
>>> partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,
>>> hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case
>>> studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,
>>> Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.
>>>
>>> I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like
>>> Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from
>>> the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question
>>> that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any
>>> Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,
>>> offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.
>>> virtualization, etc.
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Tzach Livyatan <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tzach@cloudius-systems.com" target=3D"_blank">tzach@c=
loudius-systems.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 11, 2=
014 at 9:36 PM, George Dunlap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:georg=
e.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">There does seem to be a r=
eally big push for containers, and I do think we need to think about how to=
 get a counter-message out.<br>


<br>
The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in terms o=
f memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though probably not=
 for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running in PV or PVH =
mode on Xen).<br>


<br>
But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors. =A0The system call in=
terface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface. =A0There have be=
en dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the system =
call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would give an =
attacker control of all containers on the system.<br>


<br>
By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to brea=
k into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only worked =
in PV mode, on Intel boxes. =A0I don&#39;t know what KVM&#39;s record is, b=
ut I&#39;m sure it&#39;s similar.<br>


<br>
So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud environment, =
where users who don&#39;t trust each other share the same hardware. =A0Nor =
are they appropriate if you want to make sure that successfully attacking o=
ne server cannot easily attack other servers.<br>


<br>
The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds, particularly=
 if there aren&#39;t any public-facing services, or if the public-facing se=
rvices are lower value, where security is less critical than performance.<b=
r>


<br>
Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate wit=
h KVM (or even VMWare) people about this? =A0Are RedHat or Canonical doing =
anything with containers? =A0I think the OSv guys should be on-side; partic=
ularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their approach.<b=
r>

</blockquote><div><br></div><div>We are on-side!</div><div>Our own Glauber =
Costa (cc) gave a talk at on the subject of HV vs Containers which can be f=
ound here=A0<a href=3D"https://lwn.net/Articles/524952/" target=3D"_blank">=
https://lwn.net/Articles/524952/</a></div>

<div>Some points to use from this are:<br></div><div>- OS is traditionally =
bad at truly isolating basic resources like CPU and memory usage between gr=
oups of tasks<br></div><div>- Containers comes with a =A0price paid in comp=
lexity.=A0</div>

<div>- HV take advantage of continues HW improvements (containers=A0do not)=
</div><div><br></div><div>Glauber, feel free to add relevant points.</div><=
div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi<br><br>
</div><div>So that talk I gave was not really an HV vs containers, it was m=
ore a containers overview when I was working in the containers side.<br></d=
iv><div>When I joined Cloudius, I have published the following text: <br>
<a href=3D"https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa"=
>https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa</a><br><br=
></div><div>My main message was that an OS like OSv changes the game, becau=
se it bridges the duplication gap without giving up the rest. When I<br>
</div><div>published, it reached a small audience because we had very littl=
e followers. If you have a broader channel, it would be good to broadcast<b=
r>or link to it.<br><br>Other aspects for consideration: It depends really =
which audience we want to reach.<br>
</div><div>-For more sophisticated audiences, it is worthwhile to point out=
 (although obvious) that using containers will restrict your ability to be =
in control<br>of your kernel (even talking cross-OS), and once you start us=
ing it, it&#39;s harder to maintain an heterogeneous environment. This make=
s it a no-go<br>
for whoever is selling IaaS. <br><br></div><div>- The performance thing wit=
h containers is *not* true. They use cgroups, which are expensive. As much =
as I have succeeded to make that cost go down,<br></div><div>it is still ex=
pensive. We are doing benchmarks against Linux as a guest, maybe we should =
start looking at doing benchmarks against a container environment?<br>
<br></div><div>- I am following the follow up of my work closely (kmemcg sh=
rinking), and this is not yet complete in Linux. What it means is that it i=
s still impossible<br>to properly control kernel memory used by each contai=
ner. It is still trivial for a malicious containers to destroy everything. =
There are many other holes to gap,<br>
and while they are there containers are particularly insecure. <br><br></di=
v><div>The advantage of containers that we do need to be aware of, is that =
it allows for greater flexibility of resource sharing. For instance, you ca=
n leave<br>
all processes to use the disk cpu freely, while they are restricted for mem=
ory only. This can be handy in some cases, but it is probably not that broa=
dly<br>relevant.<br><br><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
></div><div>Tzach=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">


<br>
=A0-George<div><div><br>
<br>
On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
FYI,<br>
<br>
Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is<br>
expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now<br>
&quot;meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions.&quot; They ar=
e<br>
positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing<br>
hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.<br>
<br>
The article goes on to say: &quot;Unlike the virtualization hypervisors tha=
t<br>
power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn&#39;t virtualize an entire<b=
r>
operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application<br>
containers that run on top of a &quot;bare-metal&quot; host operating syste=
m. By<br>
virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater<br>
portability, efficiency and security.&quot;<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologie=
s/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=3Dfeed=
burner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VA=
R+Guy%29" target=3D"_blank">http://thevarguy.com/<u></u>virtualization-appl=
ications-<u></u>and-technologies/021014/<u></u>docker-open-source-container=
-<u></u>virtualization-rise?utm_<u></u>source=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=
=3D<u></u>feed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+<u></u>TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%2=
9</a><br>


<br>
An article from Dec. 2013:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hyperv=
isors" target=3D"_blank">http://www.networkworld.com/<u></u>community/blog/=
containers-new-<u></u>hypervisors</a><br>
<br>
Some additional messaging from their web site:<br>
<br>
Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:<br=
>
Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500<br>
Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200<br>
community developers. Over 2,500 &quot;Dockerized&quot; applications are no=
w<br>
available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and<br>
partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,<br>
hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case<br>
studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,<br>
Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.<br>
<br>
I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like<br>
Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from<br=
>
the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question<br>
that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any<br>
Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,<br>
offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.<br>
virtualization, etc.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
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On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Tzach Livyatan <tzach@cloudius-systems.com
> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:36 PM, George Dunlap <
> george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
>
>> There does seem to be a really big push for containers, and I do think we
>> need to think about how to get a counter-message out.
>>
>> The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in terms
>> of memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though probably
>> not for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running in PV or
>> PVH mode on Xen).
>>
>> But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors.  The system call
>> interface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface.  There have
>> been dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the
>> system call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would
>> give an attacker control of all containers on the system.
>>
>> By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to
>> break into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only
>> worked in PV mode, on Intel boxes.  I don't know what KVM's record is, but
>> I'm sure it's similar.
>>
>> So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud
>> environment, where users who don't trust each other share the same
>> hardware.  Nor are they appropriate if you want to make sure that
>> successfully attacking one server cannot easily attack other servers.
>>
>> The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds,
>> particularly if there aren't any public-facing services, or if the
>> public-facing services are lower value, where security is less critical
>> than performance.
>>
>> Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate
>> with KVM (or even VMWare) people about this?  Are RedHat or Canonical doing
>> anything with containers?  I think the OSv guys should be on-side;
>> particularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their
>> approach.
>>
>
> We are on-side!
> Our own Glauber Costa (cc) gave a talk at on the subject of HV vs
> Containers which can be found here https://lwn.net/Articles/524952/
> Some points to use from this are:
> - OS is traditionally bad at truly isolating basic resources like CPU and
> memory usage between groups of tasks
> - Containers comes with a  price paid in complexity.
> - HV take advantage of continues HW improvements (containers do not)
>
> Glauber, feel free to add relevant points.
>
>
Hi

So that talk I gave was not really an HV vs containers, it was more a
containers overview when I was working in the containers side.
When I joined Cloudius, I have published the following text:
https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa

My main message was that an OS like OSv changes the game, because it
bridges the duplication gap without giving up the rest. When I
published, it reached a small audience because we had very little
followers. If you have a broader channel, it would be good to broadcast
or link to it.

Other aspects for consideration: It depends really which audience we want
to reach.
-For more sophisticated audiences, it is worthwhile to point out (although
obvious) that using containers will restrict your ability to be in control
of your kernel (even talking cross-OS), and once you start using it, it's
harder to maintain an heterogeneous environment. This makes it a no-go
for whoever is selling IaaS.

- The performance thing with containers is *not* true. They use cgroups,
which are expensive. As much as I have succeeded to make that cost go down,
it is still expensive. We are doing benchmarks against Linux as a guest,
maybe we should start looking at doing benchmarks against a container
environment?

- I am following the follow up of my work closely (kmemcg shrinking), and
this is not yet complete in Linux. What it means is that it is still
impossible
to properly control kernel memory used by each container. It is still
trivial for a malicious containers to destroy everything. There are many
other holes to gap,
and while they are there containers are particularly insecure.

The advantage of containers that we do need to be aware of, is that it
allows for greater flexibility of resource sharing. For instance, you can
leave
all processes to use the disk cpu freely, while they are restricted for
memory only. This can be handy in some cases, but it is probably not that
broadly
relevant.


Tzach
>
>
>
>>  -George
>>
>>
>> On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>>
>>> FYI,
>>>
>>> Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is
>>> expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now
>>> "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are
>>> positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing
>>> hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
>>>
>>> The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors that
>>> power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an entire
>>> operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application
>>> containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system. By
>>> virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater
>>> portability, efficiency and security."
>>>
>>> http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-
>>> and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-
>>> virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=
>>> feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
>>>
>>> An article from Dec. 2013:
>>>
>>> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
>>>
>>> Some additional messaging from their web site:
>>>
>>> Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:
>>> Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500
>>> Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200
>>> community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now
>>> available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and
>>> partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,
>>> hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case
>>> studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,
>>> Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.
>>>
>>> I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like
>>> Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from
>>> the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question
>>> that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any
>>> Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,
>>> offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.
>>> virtualization, etc.
>>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Tzach Livyatan <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tzach@cloudius-systems.com" target=3D"_blank">tzach@c=
loudius-systems.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 11, 2=
014 at 9:36 PM, George Dunlap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:georg=
e.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">There does seem to be a r=
eally big push for containers, and I do think we need to think about how to=
 get a counter-message out.<br>


<br>
The basic facts are that containers probably are lower overhead, in terms o=
f memory and cpu overhead, than virtualizing a full OS (though probably not=
 for cloud OSes like OSv or Mirage -- particularly if running in PV or PVH =
mode on Xen).<br>


<br>
But they are absolutely less secure than hypervisors. =A0The system call in=
terface is much more porous than the hypervisor interface. =A0There have be=
en dozens of Linux privilege escalation vulnerabilities through the system =
call layers over the years: any one of these vulnerabilities would give an =
attacker control of all containers on the system.<br>


<br>
By contrast, Xen has had only one vulnerability that allows a guest to brea=
k into the hypervisor, and that due to a processor bug: and it only worked =
in PV mode, on Intel boxes. =A0I don&#39;t know what KVM&#39;s record is, b=
ut I&#39;m sure it&#39;s similar.<br>


<br>
So containers are completely inappropriate for a public cloud environment, =
where users who don&#39;t trust each other share the same hardware. =A0Nor =
are they appropriate if you want to make sure that successfully attacking o=
ne server cannot easily attack other servers.<br>


<br>
The place where they make the most sense is in private clouds, particularly=
 if there aren&#39;t any public-facing services, or if the public-facing se=
rvices are lower value, where security is less critical than performance.<b=
r>


<br>
Just tossing this out there -- would it make sense at all to coordinate wit=
h KVM (or even VMWare) people about this? =A0Are RedHat or Canonical doing =
anything with containers? =A0I think the OSv guys should be on-side; partic=
ularly if it gives them an opportunity to make a case for their approach.<b=
r>

</blockquote><div><br></div><div>We are on-side!</div><div>Our own Glauber =
Costa (cc) gave a talk at on the subject of HV vs Containers which can be f=
ound here=A0<a href=3D"https://lwn.net/Articles/524952/" target=3D"_blank">=
https://lwn.net/Articles/524952/</a></div>

<div>Some points to use from this are:<br></div><div>- OS is traditionally =
bad at truly isolating basic resources like CPU and memory usage between gr=
oups of tasks<br></div><div>- Containers comes with a =A0price paid in comp=
lexity.=A0</div>

<div>- HV take advantage of continues HW improvements (containers=A0do not)=
</div><div><br></div><div>Glauber, feel free to add relevant points.</div><=
div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi<br><br>
</div><div>So that talk I gave was not really an HV vs containers, it was m=
ore a containers overview when I was working in the containers side.<br></d=
iv><div>When I joined Cloudius, I have published the following text: <br>
<a href=3D"https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa"=
>https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa</a><br><br=
></div><div>My main message was that an OS like OSv changes the game, becau=
se it bridges the duplication gap without giving up the rest. When I<br>
</div><div>published, it reached a small audience because we had very littl=
e followers. If you have a broader channel, it would be good to broadcast<b=
r>or link to it.<br><br>Other aspects for consideration: It depends really =
which audience we want to reach.<br>
</div><div>-For more sophisticated audiences, it is worthwhile to point out=
 (although obvious) that using containers will restrict your ability to be =
in control<br>of your kernel (even talking cross-OS), and once you start us=
ing it, it&#39;s harder to maintain an heterogeneous environment. This make=
s it a no-go<br>
for whoever is selling IaaS. <br><br></div><div>- The performance thing wit=
h containers is *not* true. They use cgroups, which are expensive. As much =
as I have succeeded to make that cost go down,<br></div><div>it is still ex=
pensive. We are doing benchmarks against Linux as a guest, maybe we should =
start looking at doing benchmarks against a container environment?<br>
<br></div><div>- I am following the follow up of my work closely (kmemcg sh=
rinking), and this is not yet complete in Linux. What it means is that it i=
s still impossible<br>to properly control kernel memory used by each contai=
ner. It is still trivial for a malicious containers to destroy everything. =
There are many other holes to gap,<br>
and while they are there containers are particularly insecure. <br><br></di=
v><div>The advantage of containers that we do need to be aware of, is that =
it allows for greater flexibility of resource sharing. For instance, you ca=
n leave<br>
all processes to use the disk cpu freely, while they are restricted for mem=
ory only. This can be handy in some cases, but it is probably not that broa=
dly<br>relevant.<br><br><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
></div><div>Tzach=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">


<br>
=A0-George<div><div><br>
<br>
On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
FYI,<br>
<br>
Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is<br>
expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now<br>
&quot;meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions.&quot; They ar=
e<br>
positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing<br>
hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.<br>
<br>
The article goes on to say: &quot;Unlike the virtualization hypervisors tha=
t<br>
power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn&#39;t virtualize an entire<b=
r>
operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application<br>
containers that run on top of a &quot;bare-metal&quot; host operating syste=
m. By<br>
virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater<br>
portability, efficiency and security.&quot;<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologie=
s/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=3Dfeed=
burner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VA=
R+Guy%29" target=3D"_blank">http://thevarguy.com/<u></u>virtualization-appl=
ications-<u></u>and-technologies/021014/<u></u>docker-open-source-container=
-<u></u>virtualization-rise?utm_<u></u>source=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=
=3D<u></u>feed&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+<u></u>TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%2=
9</a><br>


<br>
An article from Dec. 2013:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hyperv=
isors" target=3D"_blank">http://www.networkworld.com/<u></u>community/blog/=
containers-new-<u></u>hypervisors</a><br>
<br>
Some additional messaging from their web site:<br>
<br>
Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:<br=
>
Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500<br>
Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200<br>
community developers. Over 2,500 &quot;Dockerized&quot; applications are no=
w<br>
available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and<br>
partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,<br>
hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case<br>
studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,<br>
Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.<br>
<br>
I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like<br>
Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from<br=
>
the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question<br>
that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any<br>
Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,<br>
offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.<br>
virtualization, etc.<br>
</blockquote>
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Dario Faggioli wrote on 2014-02-13:
> [Adding the Xen publicity mailing list]
> 
> On gio, 2014-02-13 at 03:55 +0000, Zhang, Yang Z wrote:
>> Hi George,
>> 
>> I have updated the Latest Xen nested status in the Xen wiki page, 
>> please have a look.
>> 
> Hey Yang,
> 
> This is something really useful to have on the wiki, thanks for doing it.
> 
>> Although it is hard to say nested is good supported or product 
>> quality, it is ready to let people to know nested basically is supported by Xen.
>> 
> Right. With that in mind, I think this topic would be a great one for 
> a blog post on the Xen Project's blog! The content you have on the 
> wiki is mostly fine as the core content of the blog post too, we'd just need a couple more "colloquial"
> glue paragraph here and there, both about nested virt in general and 
> about Xen supporting it, for instance...
> 
>> Especially, for Xen on Xen case, I didn't see any issue with it for 
>> more than half
> of year. Besides, I am always using nested Xen to debug Xen booting 
> issue which doesn't need to reboot my real box. And it really helps me a lot.
>> 
> ...something like this line above... It's actually a quite good 
> example of what I meant above! :-)
> 
> So, how do you feel about this?
> 

Sure. If you can do it, that's great.

>> So, if possible, I hope we can add nested support into Xen 4.4 
>> release to let people know current status.
>> 
> Sorry for my ignorance on the subject, what is it that is missing for 
> making the above (and the content of the wiki) true for 4.4?
> 

Sorry. I didn't clarify it clearly. Most of the patches to run nested are already in Xen upstream. What I want is to add "nested is basically supported in Xen 4.4" in the Xen 4.4 release note to let people know it.

> Anyway, I don't think that, whatever the answer is, it will be less 
> worth to have a blog post about nested virt... At most it will affect 
> when we want it. If it's going to be a 4.4 feature, I think the sooner 
> the better. If not, we can wait a little bit.
> 
> Let me know your thoughts on the idea.
> 
> Regards,
> Dario
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Dario Faggioli wrote on 2014-02-14:
> On ven, 2014-02-14 at 10:24 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
>> On 02/14/2014 01:13 AM, Zhang, Yang Z wrote:
> 
>>> Sorry. I didn't clarify it clearly. Most of the patches to run nested are already
> in Xen upstream. What I want is to add "nested is basically supported in Xen
> 4.4" in the Xen 4.4 release note to let people know it.
>> 
>> I'm afraid "basically supported" will imply to people that they might
>> consider shipping it on production systems.  But because of the issues
>> with shadow-on-HAP, and the potential locking issues with the nested p2m
>> table, both of which are in control of the guest admin rather than the

Hi, George,

Can you elaborate the two issues? I am not in the background.

>> host admin, I don't think that's a recommendation we can make at this time.
>> 
>> But I do think making some kind of announcement about common
>> functionality being complete and ready to be tested would be a good
>> idea.  When we come to make the release we can brainstorm on what
>> wording to use.
>> 
> I agree. Let's not sell something not entirely ready, as that could
> backfire, but we should at least hint that it's there and it's improved.
> 

I agree too. A hint to say it is there should be ok to me.

>> Actually, I wonder whether advertising Win7's XP compatibility mode as a
>> separate "tech preview" feature would make sense.  The people who use
>> that feature are very likely very different than most other people who
>> might think about using nested virtualization.
>> 
> Completely agree again. And this is something that could be very well
> described in a blog post on the subject (happening after the release), I
> think. :-)
> 
> Regads,
> Dario
>


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Dario Faggioli wrote on 2014-02-14:
> On ven, 2014-02-14 at 10:24 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
>> On 02/14/2014 01:13 AM, Zhang, Yang Z wrote:
> 
>>> Sorry. I didn't clarify it clearly. Most of the patches to run nested are already
> in Xen upstream. What I want is to add "nested is basically supported in Xen
> 4.4" in the Xen 4.4 release note to let people know it.
>> 
>> I'm afraid "basically supported" will imply to people that they might
>> consider shipping it on production systems.  But because of the issues
>> with shadow-on-HAP, and the potential locking issues with the nested p2m
>> table, both of which are in control of the guest admin rather than the

Hi, George,

Can you elaborate the two issues? I am not in the background.

>> host admin, I don't think that's a recommendation we can make at this time.
>> 
>> But I do think making some kind of announcement about common
>> functionality being complete and ready to be tested would be a good
>> idea.  When we come to make the release we can brainstorm on what
>> wording to use.
>> 
> I agree. Let's not sell something not entirely ready, as that could
> backfire, but we should at least hint that it's there and it's improved.
> 

I agree too. A hint to say it is there should be ok to me.

>> Actually, I wonder whether advertising Win7's XP compatibility mode as a
>> separate "tech preview" feature would make sense.  The people who use
>> that feature are very likely very different than most other people who
>> might think about using nested virtualization.
>> 
> Completely agree again. And this is something that could be very well
> described in a blog post on the subject (happening after the release), I
> think. :-)
> 
> Regads,
> Dario
>


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On 12/02/2014 00:29, Glauber Costa wrote:
>
> Hi
>
Glauber,

sorry your mail was stuck in the moderator queue for a week.  I was 
travelling and forgot my little notebook of passwords.

> So that talk I gave was not really an HV vs containers, it was more a 
> containers overview when I was working in the containers side.
> When I joined Cloudius, I have published the following text:
> https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa
>
> My main message was that an OS like OSv changes the game, because it 
> bridges the duplication gap without giving up the rest. When I
> published, it reached a small audience because we had very little 
> followers. If you have a broader channel, it would be good to broadcast
> or link to it.
@Sarah, can you outline what you were planning to do and roughly when? 
Also, you mentioned you needed a spokesperson. As I will be out hiking 
in the Australian outback for a few weeks and I don't have the technical 
depth, it may make sense for someone else to step up.

I am also wondering whether it makes sense to coordinate a response to 
containers with (or at least coordinated) with the OVA. I don't know who 
handles press and PR matters at the OVA though. Just a thought.

>
> Other aspects for consideration: It depends really which audience we 
> want to reach.
> -For more sophisticated audiences, it is worthwhile to point out 
> (although obvious) that using containers will restrict your ability to 
> be in control of your kernel (even talking cross-OS), and once you 
> start using it, it's harder to maintain an heterogeneous environment. 
> This makes it a no-go for whoever is selling IaaS.
>
> - The performance thing with containers is *not* true. They use 
> cgroups, which are expensive. As much as I have succeeded to make that 
> cost go down, it is still expensive. We are doing benchmarks against 
> Linux as a guest, maybe we should start looking at doing benchmarks 
> against a container environment?
That is a good point.

>
> - I am following the follow up of my work closely (kmemcg shrinking), 
> and this is not yet complete in Linux. What it means is that it is 
> still impossible to properly control kernel memory used by each 
> container. It is still trivial for a malicious containers to destroy 
> everything. There are many other holes to gap, and while they are 
> there containers are particularly insecure.
>
> The advantage of containers that we do need to be aware of, is that it 
> allows for greater flexibility of resource sharing. For instance, you 
> can leave all processes to use the disk cpu freely, while they are 
> restricted for memory only. This can be handy in some cases, but it is 
> probably not that broadly relevant.
>
>
>     Tzach
>
>
>
>          -George
>
>
>         On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>
>             FYI,
>
>             Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release.
>             (1.0 version is
>             expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly
>             Docker can now
>             "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions."
>             They are
>             positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS,
>             pigeon-holing
>             hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
>
>             The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization
>             hypervisors that
>             power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't
>             virtualize an entire
>             operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application
>             containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host
>             operating system. By
>             virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer
>             greater
>             portability, efficiency and security."
>
>             http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
>
>             An article from Dec. 2013:
>
>             http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
>
>             Some additional messaging from their web site:
>
>             Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is
>             expanding rapidly:
>             Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has
>             received over 7,500
>             Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more
>             than 200
>             community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications
>             are now
>             available at the Docker public index, and third party
>             projects and
>             partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating
>             systems,
>             hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50
>             user-created case
>             studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,
>             Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and
>             RelateIQ.
>
>             I suggest we finesse our messaging against container
>             technologies like
>             Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now.
>             Feedback from
>             the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely
>             be a question
>             that comes up in the near future. We could also try to
>             piggy-back any
>             Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April
>             timeframe,
>             offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.
>             virtualization, etc.
>
>
>
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      On 12/02/2014 00:29, Glauber Costa wrote:<br>
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            <div>Hi<br>
              <br>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    Glauber,<br>
    <br>
    sorry your mail was stuck in the moderator queue for a week.&nbsp; I was
    travelling and forgot my little notebook of passwords.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAD-J=zaiB3-C==3C0Z5V8fTmfHdyNWMxa+d7cLfMtR2Ouug=PA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div class="gmail_extra">
          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div>
            </div>
            <div>So that talk I gave was not really an HV vs containers,
              it was more a containers overview when I was working in
              the containers side.<br>
            </div>
            <div>When I joined Cloudius, I have published the following
              text: <br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa">https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa</a><br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>My main message was that an OS like OSv changes the
              game, because it bridges the duplication gap without
              giving up the rest. When I<br>
            </div>
            <div>published, it reached a small audience because we had
              very little followers. If you have a broader channel, it
              would be good to broadcast<br>
              or link to it.<br>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    @Sarah, can you outline what you were planning to do and roughly
    when? Also, you mentioned you needed a spokesperson. As I will be
    out hiking in the Australian outback for a few weeks and I don't
    have the technical depth, it may make sense for someone else to step
    up.<br>
    <br>
    I am also wondering whether it makes sense to coordinate a response
    to containers with (or at least coordinated) with the OVA. I don't
    know who handles press and PR matters at the OVA though. Just a
    thought.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAD-J=zaiB3-C==3C0Z5V8fTmfHdyNWMxa+d7cLfMtR2Ouug=PA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div class="gmail_extra">
          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div><br>
              Other aspects for consideration: It depends really which
              audience we want to reach.<br>
            </div>
            <div>-For more sophisticated audiences, it is worthwhile to
              point out (although obvious) that using containers will
              restrict your ability to be in control of your kernel
              (even talking cross-OS), and once you start using it, it's
              harder to maintain an heterogeneous environment. This
              makes it a no-go for whoever is selling IaaS. <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>- The performance thing with containers is *not* true.
              They use cgroups, which are expensive. As much as I have
              succeeded to make that cost go down, it is still
              expensive. We are doing benchmarks against Linux as a
              guest, maybe we should start looking at doing benchmarks
              against a container environment?<br>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    That is a good point.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAD-J=zaiB3-C==3C0Z5V8fTmfHdyNWMxa+d7cLfMtR2Ouug=PA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div class="gmail_extra">
          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>- I am following the follow up of my work closely
              (kmemcg shrinking), and this is not yet complete in Linux.
              What it means is that it is still impossible to properly
              control kernel memory used by each container. It is still
              trivial for a malicious containers to destroy everything.
              There are many other holes to gap, and while they are
              there containers are particularly insecure. <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>The advantage of containers that we do need to be aware
              of, is that it allows for greater flexibility of resource
              sharing. For instance, you can leave all processes to use
              the disk cpu freely, while they are restricted for memory
              only. This can be handy in some cases, but it is probably
              not that broadly relevant.<br>
              <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
              0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
              rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">
                    <div>Tzach&nbsp;<br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px
                      0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                      rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                      <br>
                      &nbsp;-George
                      <div>
                        <div><br>
                          <br>
                          On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                            style="margin:0px 0px 0px
                            0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                            rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                            FYI,<br>
                            <br>
                            Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest
                            Docker release. (1.0 version is<br>
                            expected in April.) With these new releases,
                            supposedly Docker can now<br>
                            "meet the demands of cloud computing and
                            PaaS solutions." They are<br>
                            positioning it as the next logical step for
                            PaaS, pigeon-holing<br>
                            hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.<br>
                            <br>
                            The article goes on to say: "Unlike the
                            virtualization hypervisors that<br>
                            power most virtual servers today, Docker
                            doesn't virtualize an entire<br>
                            operating system. Instead, it provides
                            virtualized application<br>
                            containers that run on top of a "bare-metal"
                            host operating system. By<br>
                            virtualizing at the application level,
                            Docker can offer greater<br>
                            portability, efficiency and security."<br>
                            <br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            Some additional messaging from their web
                            site:<br>
                            <br>
                            Seven months after launching, the Docker
                            ecosystem is expanding rapidly:<br>
                            Docker has been downloaded over 200,000
                            times, has received over 7,500<br>
                            Github stars, and is receiving contributions
                            from more than 200<br>
                            community developers. Over 2,500
                            "Dockerized" applications are now<br>
                            available at the Docker public index, and
                            third party projects and<br>
                            partnerships built on top of Docker span
                            PaaS, operating systems,<br>
                            hosting services, CI platforms, and more.
                            Over 50 user-created case<br>
                            studies are available from companies such as
                            eBay, Cloudflare,<br>
                            Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health
                            Care, and RelateIQ.<br>
                            <br>
                            I suggest we finesse our messaging against
                            container technologies like<br>
                            Docker, which are gaining traction in the
                            press right now. Feedback from<br>
                            the AB on this point would be appreciated.
                            It will likely be a question<br>
                            that comes up in the near future. We could
                            also try to piggy-back any<br>
                            Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out
                            in the April timeframe,<br>
                            offering reporters a counter opinion/view on
                            containers vs.<br>
                            virtualization, etc.<br>
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On 12/02/2014 00:29, Glauber Costa wrote:
>
> Hi
>
Glauber,

sorry your mail was stuck in the moderator queue for a week.  I was 
travelling and forgot my little notebook of passwords.

> So that talk I gave was not really an HV vs containers, it was more a 
> containers overview when I was working in the containers side.
> When I joined Cloudius, I have published the following text:
> https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa
>
> My main message was that an OS like OSv changes the game, because it 
> bridges the duplication gap without giving up the rest. When I
> published, it reached a small audience because we had very little 
> followers. If you have a broader channel, it would be good to broadcast
> or link to it.
@Sarah, can you outline what you were planning to do and roughly when? 
Also, you mentioned you needed a spokesperson. As I will be out hiking 
in the Australian outback for a few weeks and I don't have the technical 
depth, it may make sense for someone else to step up.

I am also wondering whether it makes sense to coordinate a response to 
containers with (or at least coordinated) with the OVA. I don't know who 
handles press and PR matters at the OVA though. Just a thought.

>
> Other aspects for consideration: It depends really which audience we 
> want to reach.
> -For more sophisticated audiences, it is worthwhile to point out 
> (although obvious) that using containers will restrict your ability to 
> be in control of your kernel (even talking cross-OS), and once you 
> start using it, it's harder to maintain an heterogeneous environment. 
> This makes it a no-go for whoever is selling IaaS.
>
> - The performance thing with containers is *not* true. They use 
> cgroups, which are expensive. As much as I have succeeded to make that 
> cost go down, it is still expensive. We are doing benchmarks against 
> Linux as a guest, maybe we should start looking at doing benchmarks 
> against a container environment?
That is a good point.

>
> - I am following the follow up of my work closely (kmemcg shrinking), 
> and this is not yet complete in Linux. What it means is that it is 
> still impossible to properly control kernel memory used by each 
> container. It is still trivial for a malicious containers to destroy 
> everything. There are many other holes to gap, and while they are 
> there containers are particularly insecure.
>
> The advantage of containers that we do need to be aware of, is that it 
> allows for greater flexibility of resource sharing. For instance, you 
> can leave all processes to use the disk cpu freely, while they are 
> restricted for memory only. This can be handy in some cases, but it is 
> probably not that broadly relevant.
>
>
>     Tzach
>
>
>
>          -George
>
>
>         On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>
>             FYI,
>
>             Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release.
>             (1.0 version is
>             expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly
>             Docker can now
>             "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions."
>             They are
>             positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS,
>             pigeon-holing
>             hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
>
>             The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization
>             hypervisors that
>             power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't
>             virtualize an entire
>             operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application
>             containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host
>             operating system. By
>             virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer
>             greater
>             portability, efficiency and security."
>
>             http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
>
>             An article from Dec. 2013:
>
>             http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
>
>             Some additional messaging from their web site:
>
>             Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is
>             expanding rapidly:
>             Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has
>             received over 7,500
>             Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more
>             than 200
>             community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications
>             are now
>             available at the Docker public index, and third party
>             projects and
>             partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating
>             systems,
>             hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50
>             user-created case
>             studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,
>             Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and
>             RelateIQ.
>
>             I suggest we finesse our messaging against container
>             technologies like
>             Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now.
>             Feedback from
>             the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely
>             be a question
>             that comes up in the near future. We could also try to
>             piggy-back any
>             Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April
>             timeframe,
>             offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.
>             virtualization, etc.
>
>
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      On 12/02/2014 00:29, Glauber Costa wrote:<br>
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            <div>Hi<br>
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    Glauber,<br>
    <br>
    sorry your mail was stuck in the moderator queue for a week.&nbsp; I was
    travelling and forgot my little notebook of passwords.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAD-J=zaiB3-C==3C0Z5V8fTmfHdyNWMxa+d7cLfMtR2Ouug=PA@mail.gmail.com"
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          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div>
            </div>
            <div>So that talk I gave was not really an HV vs containers,
              it was more a containers overview when I was working in
              the containers side.<br>
            </div>
            <div>When I joined Cloudius, I have published the following
              text: <br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa">https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa</a><br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>My main message was that an OS like OSv changes the
              game, because it bridges the duplication gap without
              giving up the rest. When I<br>
            </div>
            <div>published, it reached a small audience because we had
              very little followers. If you have a broader channel, it
              would be good to broadcast<br>
              or link to it.<br>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    @Sarah, can you outline what you were planning to do and roughly
    when? Also, you mentioned you needed a spokesperson. As I will be
    out hiking in the Australian outback for a few weeks and I don't
    have the technical depth, it may make sense for someone else to step
    up.<br>
    <br>
    I am also wondering whether it makes sense to coordinate a response
    to containers with (or at least coordinated) with the OVA. I don't
    know who handles press and PR matters at the OVA though. Just a
    thought.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAD-J=zaiB3-C==3C0Z5V8fTmfHdyNWMxa+d7cLfMtR2Ouug=PA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
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            <div><br>
              Other aspects for consideration: It depends really which
              audience we want to reach.<br>
            </div>
            <div>-For more sophisticated audiences, it is worthwhile to
              point out (although obvious) that using containers will
              restrict your ability to be in control of your kernel
              (even talking cross-OS), and once you start using it, it's
              harder to maintain an heterogeneous environment. This
              makes it a no-go for whoever is selling IaaS. <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>- The performance thing with containers is *not* true.
              They use cgroups, which are expensive. As much as I have
              succeeded to make that cost go down, it is still
              expensive. We are doing benchmarks against Linux as a
              guest, maybe we should start looking at doing benchmarks
              against a container environment?<br>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    That is a good point.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAD-J=zaiB3-C==3C0Z5V8fTmfHdyNWMxa+d7cLfMtR2Ouug=PA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
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          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>- I am following the follow up of my work closely
              (kmemcg shrinking), and this is not yet complete in Linux.
              What it means is that it is still impossible to properly
              control kernel memory used by each container. It is still
              trivial for a malicious containers to destroy everything.
              There are many other holes to gap, and while they are
              there containers are particularly insecure. <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>The advantage of containers that we do need to be aware
              of, is that it allows for greater flexibility of resource
              sharing. For instance, you can leave all processes to use
              the disk cpu freely, while they are restricted for memory
              only. This can be handy in some cases, but it is probably
              not that broadly relevant.<br>
              <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
              0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
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                    <div>Tzach&nbsp;<br>
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                    </div>
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                      0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
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                      <br>
                      &nbsp;-George
                      <div>
                        <div><br>
                          <br>
                          On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                            style="margin:0px 0px 0px
                            0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                            rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                            FYI,<br>
                            <br>
                            Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest
                            Docker release. (1.0 version is<br>
                            expected in April.) With these new releases,
                            supposedly Docker can now<br>
                            "meet the demands of cloud computing and
                            PaaS solutions." They are<br>
                            positioning it as the next logical step for
                            PaaS, pigeon-holing<br>
                            hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.<br>
                            <br>
                            The article goes on to say: "Unlike the
                            virtualization hypervisors that<br>
                            power most virtual servers today, Docker
                            doesn't virtualize an entire<br>
                            operating system. Instead, it provides
                            virtualized application<br>
                            containers that run on top of a "bare-metal"
                            host operating system. By<br>
                            virtualizing at the application level,
                            Docker can offer greater<br>
                            portability, efficiency and security."<br>
                            <br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29"
                              target="_blank">http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29</a><br>
                            <br>
                            An article from Dec. 2013:<br>
                            <br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors"
                              target="_blank">http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors</a><br>
                            <br>
                            Some additional messaging from their web
                            site:<br>
                            <br>
                            Seven months after launching, the Docker
                            ecosystem is expanding rapidly:<br>
                            Docker has been downloaded over 200,000
                            times, has received over 7,500<br>
                            Github stars, and is receiving contributions
                            from more than 200<br>
                            community developers. Over 2,500
                            "Dockerized" applications are now<br>
                            available at the Docker public index, and
                            third party projects and<br>
                            partnerships built on top of Docker span
                            PaaS, operating systems,<br>
                            hosting services, CI platforms, and more.
                            Over 50 user-created case<br>
                            studies are available from companies such as
                            eBay, Cloudflare,<br>
                            Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health
                            Care, and RelateIQ.<br>
                            <br>
                            I suggest we finesse our messaging against
                            container technologies like<br>
                            Docker, which are gaining traction in the
                            press right now. Feedback from<br>
                            the AB on this point would be appreciated.
                            It will likely be a question<br>
                            that comes up in the near future. We could
                            also try to piggy-back any<br>
                            Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out
                            in the April timeframe,<br>
                            offering reporters a counter opinion/view on
                            containers vs.<br>
                            virtualization, etc.<br>
                          </blockquote>
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Hi all,

Thank you everyone for providing more background on this and offering ways
to differentiate/educate the market on hypervisors vs./and containers. I'll
summarize the content in this email chain this week into a media pitch to
send to reporters who are covering companies like Docker, offering up
someone from Xen Project as an expert spokesperson on the topic. I can
inquire about the possible collaboration with OVA.

To Lars' point, it would be helpful if someone would volunteer to be a
spokesperson for Xen Project on this topic. Some technical background is
necessary, of course. Reporters are also watching the company Docker
evolve, covering news like its recent venture funding. They are keeping
their eyes on moves like RedHat including Docker in its beta release and
Google adding it to its Google Compute Engine Service. Docker also seems to
be positioning its technology as a "DevOps tool." So, reporters may go
beyond pure technical feature questions and ask about these market shifts
and developments.

Here are examples of some recent Docker coverage and the reporters I'd be
approaching to offer an interview:

http://www.infoworld.com/d/virtualization/docker-challenges-virtualization-market-containers-235897
http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/docker-brings-open-source-container-virtualization-to-apple-mac-os-x.html
http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software-companies/why-red-hats-roger-egan-joined-docker

Thanks,


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@xen.org> wrote:

>
> On 12/02/2014 00:29, Glauber Costa wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
>    Glauber,
>
> sorry your mail was stuck in the moderator queue for a week.  I was
> travelling and forgot my little notebook of passwords.
>
>
>    So that talk I gave was not really an HV vs containers, it was more a
> containers overview when I was working in the containers side.
>  When I joined Cloudius, I have published the following text:
> https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa
>
>  My main message was that an OS like OSv changes the game, because it
> bridges the duplication gap without giving up the rest. When I
>  published, it reached a small audience because we had very little
> followers. If you have a broader channel, it would be good to broadcast
> or link to it.
>
> @Sarah, can you outline what you were planning to do and roughly when?
> Also, you mentioned you needed a spokesperson. As I will be out hiking in
> the Australian outback for a few weeks and I don't have the technical
> depth, it may make sense for someone else to step up.
>
> I am also wondering whether it makes sense to coordinate a response to
> containers with (or at least coordinated) with the OVA. I don't know who
> handles press and PR matters at the OVA though. Just a thought.
>
>
>
> Other aspects for consideration: It depends really which audience we want
> to reach.
>  -For more sophisticated audiences, it is worthwhile to point out
> (although obvious) that using containers will restrict your ability to be
> in control of your kernel (even talking cross-OS), and once you start using
> it, it's harder to maintain an heterogeneous environment. This makes it a
> no-go for whoever is selling IaaS.
>
>  - The performance thing with containers is *not* true. They use cgroups,
> which are expensive. As much as I have succeeded to make that cost go down,
> it is still expensive. We are doing benchmarks against Linux as a guest,
> maybe we should start looking at doing benchmarks against a container
> environment?
>
> That is a good point.
>
>
>
>  - I am following the follow up of my work closely (kmemcg shrinking),
> and this is not yet complete in Linux. What it means is that it is still
> impossible to properly control kernel memory used by each container. It is
> still trivial for a malicious containers to destroy everything. There are
> many other holes to gap, and while they are there containers are
> particularly insecure.
>
>  The advantage of containers that we do need to be aware of, is that it
> allows for greater flexibility of resource sharing. For instance, you can
> leave all processes to use the disk cpu freely, while they are restricted
> for memory only. This can be handy in some cases, but it is probably not
> that broadly relevant.
>
>
>    Tzach
>>
>>
>>
>>>  -George
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>>>
>>>> FYI,
>>>>
>>>> Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is
>>>> expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now
>>>> "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are
>>>> positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing
>>>> hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
>>>>
>>>> The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors that
>>>> power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an entire
>>>> operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application
>>>> containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system. By
>>>> virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater
>>>> portability, efficiency and security."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
>>>>
>>>> An article from Dec. 2013:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
>>>>
>>>> Some additional messaging from their web site:
>>>>
>>>> Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:
>>>> Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500
>>>> Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200
>>>> community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now
>>>> available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and
>>>> partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,
>>>> hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case
>>>> studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,
>>>> Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.
>>>>
>>>> I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like
>>>> Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from
>>>> the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question
>>>> that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any
>>>> Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,
>>>> offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.
>>>> virtualization, etc.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>Thank you everyone for providin=
g more background on this and offering ways to differentiate/educate the ma=
rket on hypervisors vs./and containers. I&#39;ll summarize the content in t=
his email chain this week into a media pitch to send to reporters who are c=
overing companies like Docker, offering up someone from Xen Project as an e=
xpert spokesperson on the topic. I can inquire about the possible collabora=
tion with OVA. =A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>To Lars&#39; point, it would be helpful if someone woul=
d volunteer to be a spokesperson for Xen Project on this topic. Some techni=
cal background is necessary, of course. Reporters are also watching the com=
pany Docker evolve, covering news like its recent venture funding. They are=
 keeping their eyes on moves like RedHat including Docker in its beta relea=
se and Google adding it to its Google Compute Engine Service. Docker also s=
eems to be positioning its technology as a &quot;DevOps tool.&quot; So, rep=
orters may go beyond pure technical feature questions and ask about these m=
arket shifts and developments.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>Here are examples of some recent Docker coverage and th=
e reporters I&#39;d be approaching to offer an interview:=A0</div><div><br>=
</div><div><a href=3D"http://www.infoworld.com/d/virtualization/docker-chal=
lenges-virtualization-market-containers-235897">http://www.infoworld.com/d/=
virtualization/docker-challenges-virtualization-market-containers-235897</a=
></div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/docker-brings-open-sou=
rce-container-virtualization-to-apple-mac-os-x.html">http://www.eweek.com/e=
nterprise-apps/docker-brings-open-source-container-virtualization-to-apple-=
mac-os-x.html</a><br>
</div><div><a href=3D"http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software=
-companies/why-red-hats-roger-egan-joined-docker">http://thevarguy.com/open=
-source-application-software-companies/why-red-hats-roger-egan-joined-docke=
r</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Lars Kurth=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lars.kurth@xen.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">lars.kurth@xen.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    <div><br>
      On 12/02/2014 00:29, Glauber Costa wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div class=3D"gmail_extra">
          <div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br>
            <div>Hi<br>
              <br>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    Glauber,<br>
    <br>
    sorry your mail was stuck in the moderator queue for a week.=A0 I was
    travelling and forgot my little notebook of passwords.<div class=3D""><=
br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div class=3D"gmail_extra">
          <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
            <div>
            </div>
            <div>So that talk I gave was not really an HV vs containers,
              it was more a containers overview when I was working in
              the containers side.<br>
            </div>
            <div>When I joined Cloudius, I have published the following
              text: <br>
              <a href=3D"https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/post=
s/fgzsepcScTa" target=3D"_blank">https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080=
430/posts/fgzsepcScTa</a><br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>My main message was that an OS like OSv changes the
              game, because it bridges the duplication gap without
              giving up the rest. When I<br>
            </div>
            <div>published, it reached a small audience because we had
              very little followers. If you have a broader channel, it
              would be good to broadcast<br>
              or link to it.<br>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote></div>
    @Sarah, can you outline what you were planning to do and roughly
    when? Also, you mentioned you needed a spokesperson. As I will be
    out hiking in the Australian outback for a few weeks and I don&#39;t
    have the technical depth, it may make sense for someone else to step
    up.<br>
    <br>
    I am also wondering whether it makes sense to coordinate a response
    to containers with (or at least coordinated) with the OVA. I don&#39;t
    know who handles press and PR matters at the OVA though. Just a
    thought.<div class=3D""><br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div class=3D"gmail_extra">
          <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
            <div><br>
              Other aspects for consideration: It depends really which
              audience we want to reach.<br>
            </div>
            <div>-For more sophisticated audiences, it is worthwhile to
              point out (although obvious) that using containers will
              restrict your ability to be in control of your kernel
              (even talking cross-OS), and once you start using it, it&#39;=
s
              harder to maintain an heterogeneous environment. This
              makes it a no-go for whoever is selling IaaS. <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>- The performance thing with containers is *not* true.
              They use cgroups, which are expensive. As much as I have
              succeeded to make that cost go down, it is still
              expensive. We are doing benchmarks against Linux as a
              guest, maybe we should start looking at doing benchmarks
              against a container environment?<br>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote></div>
    That is a good point.<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div class=3D"gmail_extra">
          <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
            <div>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>- I am following the follow up of my work closely
              (kmemcg shrinking), and this is not yet complete in Linux.
              What it means is that it is still impossible to properly
              control kernel memory used by each container. It is still
              trivial for a malicious containers to destroy everything.
              There are many other holes to gap, and while they are
              there containers are particularly insecure. <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>The advantage of containers that we do need to be aware
              of, is that it allows for greater flexibility of resource
              sharing. For instance, you can leave all processes to use
              the disk cpu freely, while they are restricted for memory
              only. This can be handy in some cases, but it is probably
              not that broadly relevant.<br>
              <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div dir=3D"ltr">
                <div class=3D"gmail_extra">
                  <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
                    <div>Tzach=A0<br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                      <br>
                      =A0-George
                      <div>
                        <div><br>
                          <br>
                          On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
                          <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
>
                            FYI,<br>
                            <br>
                            Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest
                            Docker release. (1.0 version is<br>
                            expected in April.) With these new releases,
                            supposedly Docker can now<br>
                            &quot;meet the demands of cloud computing and
                            PaaS solutions.&quot; They are<br>
                            positioning it as the next logical step for
                            PaaS, pigeon-holing<br>
                            hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.<br>
                            <br>
                            The article goes on to say: &quot;Unlike the
                            virtualization hypervisors that<br>
                            power most virtual servers today, Docker
                            doesn&#39;t virtualize an entire<br>
                            operating system. Instead, it provides
                            virtualized application<br>
                            containers that run on top of a &quot;bare-meta=
l&quot;
                            host operating system. By<br>
                            virtualizing at the application level,
                            Docker can offer greater<br>
                            portability, efficiency and security.&quot;<br>
                            <br>
                            <a href=3D"http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-=
applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualiz=
ation-rise?utm_source=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=
=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29" target=3D"_blank">http://thevarguy.=
com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-=
container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed=
&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29</a><br>

                            <br>
                            An article from Dec. 2013:<br>
                            <br>
                            <a href=3D"http://www.networkworld.com/communit=
y/blog/containers-new-hypervisors" target=3D"_blank">http://www.networkworl=
d.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors</a><br>
                            <br>
                            Some additional messaging from their web
                            site:<br>
                            <br>
                            Seven months after launching, the Docker
                            ecosystem is expanding rapidly:<br>
                            Docker has been downloaded over 200,000
                            times, has received over 7,500<br>
                            Github stars, and is receiving contributions
                            from more than 200<br>
                            community developers. Over 2,500
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                            It will likely be a question<br>
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Hi all,

Thank you everyone for providing more background on this and offering ways
to differentiate/educate the market on hypervisors vs./and containers. I'll
summarize the content in this email chain this week into a media pitch to
send to reporters who are covering companies like Docker, offering up
someone from Xen Project as an expert spokesperson on the topic. I can
inquire about the possible collaboration with OVA.

To Lars' point, it would be helpful if someone would volunteer to be a
spokesperson for Xen Project on this topic. Some technical background is
necessary, of course. Reporters are also watching the company Docker
evolve, covering news like its recent venture funding. They are keeping
their eyes on moves like RedHat including Docker in its beta release and
Google adding it to its Google Compute Engine Service. Docker also seems to
be positioning its technology as a "DevOps tool." So, reporters may go
beyond pure technical feature questions and ask about these market shifts
and developments.

Here are examples of some recent Docker coverage and the reporters I'd be
approaching to offer an interview:

http://www.infoworld.com/d/virtualization/docker-challenges-virtualization-market-containers-235897
http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/docker-brings-open-source-container-virtualization-to-apple-mac-os-x.html
http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software-companies/why-red-hats-roger-egan-joined-docker

Thanks,


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@xen.org> wrote:

>
> On 12/02/2014 00:29, Glauber Costa wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
>    Glauber,
>
> sorry your mail was stuck in the moderator queue for a week.  I was
> travelling and forgot my little notebook of passwords.
>
>
>    So that talk I gave was not really an HV vs containers, it was more a
> containers overview when I was working in the containers side.
>  When I joined Cloudius, I have published the following text:
> https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa
>
>  My main message was that an OS like OSv changes the game, because it
> bridges the duplication gap without giving up the rest. When I
>  published, it reached a small audience because we had very little
> followers. If you have a broader channel, it would be good to broadcast
> or link to it.
>
> @Sarah, can you outline what you were planning to do and roughly when?
> Also, you mentioned you needed a spokesperson. As I will be out hiking in
> the Australian outback for a few weeks and I don't have the technical
> depth, it may make sense for someone else to step up.
>
> I am also wondering whether it makes sense to coordinate a response to
> containers with (or at least coordinated) with the OVA. I don't know who
> handles press and PR matters at the OVA though. Just a thought.
>
>
>
> Other aspects for consideration: It depends really which audience we want
> to reach.
>  -For more sophisticated audiences, it is worthwhile to point out
> (although obvious) that using containers will restrict your ability to be
> in control of your kernel (even talking cross-OS), and once you start using
> it, it's harder to maintain an heterogeneous environment. This makes it a
> no-go for whoever is selling IaaS.
>
>  - The performance thing with containers is *not* true. They use cgroups,
> which are expensive. As much as I have succeeded to make that cost go down,
> it is still expensive. We are doing benchmarks against Linux as a guest,
> maybe we should start looking at doing benchmarks against a container
> environment?
>
> That is a good point.
>
>
>
>  - I am following the follow up of my work closely (kmemcg shrinking),
> and this is not yet complete in Linux. What it means is that it is still
> impossible to properly control kernel memory used by each container. It is
> still trivial for a malicious containers to destroy everything. There are
> many other holes to gap, and while they are there containers are
> particularly insecure.
>
>  The advantage of containers that we do need to be aware of, is that it
> allows for greater flexibility of resource sharing. For instance, you can
> leave all processes to use the disk cpu freely, while they are restricted
> for memory only. This can be handy in some cases, but it is probably not
> that broadly relevant.
>
>
>    Tzach
>>
>>
>>
>>>  -George
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>>>
>>>> FYI,
>>>>
>>>> Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker release. (1.0 version is
>>>> expected in April.) With these new releases, supposedly Docker can now
>>>> "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS solutions." They are
>>>> positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS, pigeon-holing
>>>> hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
>>>>
>>>> The article goes on to say: "Unlike the virtualization hypervisors that
>>>> power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't virtualize an entire
>>>> operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized application
>>>> containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host operating system. By
>>>> virtualizing at the application level, Docker can offer greater
>>>> portability, efficiency and security."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
>>>>
>>>> An article from Dec. 2013:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
>>>>
>>>> Some additional messaging from their web site:
>>>>
>>>> Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is expanding rapidly:
>>>> Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has received over 7,500
>>>> Github stars, and is receiving contributions from more than 200
>>>> community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized" applications are now
>>>> available at the Docker public index, and third party projects and
>>>> partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS, operating systems,
>>>> hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50 user-created case
>>>> studies are available from companies such as eBay, Cloudflare,
>>>> Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and RelateIQ.
>>>>
>>>> I suggest we finesse our messaging against container technologies like
>>>> Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right now. Feedback from
>>>> the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will likely be a question
>>>> that comes up in the near future. We could also try to piggy-back any
>>>> Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the April timeframe,
>>>> offering reporters a counter opinion/view on containers vs.
>>>> virtualization, etc.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>Thank you everyone for providin=
g more background on this and offering ways to differentiate/educate the ma=
rket on hypervisors vs./and containers. I&#39;ll summarize the content in t=
his email chain this week into a media pitch to send to reporters who are c=
overing companies like Docker, offering up someone from Xen Project as an e=
xpert spokesperson on the topic. I can inquire about the possible collabora=
tion with OVA. =A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>To Lars&#39; point, it would be helpful if someone woul=
d volunteer to be a spokesperson for Xen Project on this topic. Some techni=
cal background is necessary, of course. Reporters are also watching the com=
pany Docker evolve, covering news like its recent venture funding. They are=
 keeping their eyes on moves like RedHat including Docker in its beta relea=
se and Google adding it to its Google Compute Engine Service. Docker also s=
eems to be positioning its technology as a &quot;DevOps tool.&quot; So, rep=
orters may go beyond pure technical feature questions and ask about these m=
arket shifts and developments.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>Here are examples of some recent Docker coverage and th=
e reporters I&#39;d be approaching to offer an interview:=A0</div><div><br>=
</div><div><a href=3D"http://www.infoworld.com/d/virtualization/docker-chal=
lenges-virtualization-market-containers-235897">http://www.infoworld.com/d/=
virtualization/docker-challenges-virtualization-market-containers-235897</a=
></div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/docker-brings-open-sou=
rce-container-virtualization-to-apple-mac-os-x.html">http://www.eweek.com/e=
nterprise-apps/docker-brings-open-source-container-virtualization-to-apple-=
mac-os-x.html</a><br>
</div><div><a href=3D"http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software=
-companies/why-red-hats-roger-egan-joined-docker">http://thevarguy.com/open=
-source-application-software-companies/why-red-hats-roger-egan-joined-docke=
r</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Lars Kurth=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lars.kurth@xen.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">lars.kurth@xen.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    <div><br>
      On 12/02/2014 00:29, Glauber Costa wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div class=3D"gmail_extra">
          <div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br>
            <div>Hi<br>
              <br>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    Glauber,<br>
    <br>
    sorry your mail was stuck in the moderator queue for a week.=A0 I was
    travelling and forgot my little notebook of passwords.<div class=3D""><=
br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div class=3D"gmail_extra">
          <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
            <div>
            </div>
            <div>So that talk I gave was not really an HV vs containers,
              it was more a containers overview when I was working in
              the containers side.<br>
            </div>
            <div>When I joined Cloudius, I have published the following
              text: <br>
              <a href=3D"https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/post=
s/fgzsepcScTa" target=3D"_blank">https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080=
430/posts/fgzsepcScTa</a><br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>My main message was that an OS like OSv changes the
              game, because it bridges the duplication gap without
              giving up the rest. When I<br>
            </div>
            <div>published, it reached a small audience because we had
              very little followers. If you have a broader channel, it
              would be good to broadcast<br>
              or link to it.<br>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote></div>
    @Sarah, can you outline what you were planning to do and roughly
    when? Also, you mentioned you needed a spokesperson. As I will be
    out hiking in the Australian outback for a few weeks and I don&#39;t
    have the technical depth, it may make sense for someone else to step
    up.<br>
    <br>
    I am also wondering whether it makes sense to coordinate a response
    to containers with (or at least coordinated) with the OVA. I don&#39;t
    know who handles press and PR matters at the OVA though. Just a
    thought.<div class=3D""><br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div class=3D"gmail_extra">
          <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
            <div><br>
              Other aspects for consideration: It depends really which
              audience we want to reach.<br>
            </div>
            <div>-For more sophisticated audiences, it is worthwhile to
              point out (although obvious) that using containers will
              restrict your ability to be in control of your kernel
              (even talking cross-OS), and once you start using it, it&#39;=
s
              harder to maintain an heterogeneous environment. This
              makes it a no-go for whoever is selling IaaS. <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>- The performance thing with containers is *not* true.
              They use cgroups, which are expensive. As much as I have
              succeeded to make that cost go down, it is still
              expensive. We are doing benchmarks against Linux as a
              guest, maybe we should start looking at doing benchmarks
              against a container environment?<br>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote></div>
    That is a good point.<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div class=3D"gmail_extra">
          <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
            <div>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>- I am following the follow up of my work closely
              (kmemcg shrinking), and this is not yet complete in Linux.
              What it means is that it is still impossible to properly
              control kernel memory used by each container. It is still
              trivial for a malicious containers to destroy everything.
              There are many other holes to gap, and while they are
              there containers are particularly insecure. <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>The advantage of containers that we do need to be aware
              of, is that it allows for greater flexibility of resource
              sharing. For instance, you can leave all processes to use
              the disk cpu freely, while they are restricted for memory
              only. This can be handy in some cases, but it is probably
              not that broadly relevant.<br>
              <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div dir=3D"ltr">
                <div class=3D"gmail_extra">
                  <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
                    <div>Tzach=A0<br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                      <br>
                      =A0-George
                      <div>
                        <div><br>
                          <br>
                          On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
                          <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
>
                            FYI,<br>
                            <br>
                            Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest
                            Docker release. (1.0 version is<br>
                            expected in April.) With these new releases,
                            supposedly Docker can now<br>
                            &quot;meet the demands of cloud computing and
                            PaaS solutions.&quot; They are<br>
                            positioning it as the next logical step for
                            PaaS, pigeon-holing<br>
                            hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.<br>
                            <br>
                            The article goes on to say: &quot;Unlike the
                            virtualization hypervisors that<br>
                            power most virtual servers today, Docker
                            doesn&#39;t virtualize an entire<br>
                            operating system. Instead, it provides
                            virtualized application<br>
                            containers that run on top of a &quot;bare-meta=
l&quot;
                            host operating system. By<br>
                            virtualizing at the application level,
                            Docker can offer greater<br>
                            portability, efficiency and security.&quot;<br>
                            <br>
                            <a href=3D"http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-=
applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualiz=
ation-rise?utm_source=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed&amp;utm_campaign=
=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29" target=3D"_blank">http://thevarguy.=
com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-=
container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=3Dfeedburner&amp;utm_medium=3Dfeed=
&amp;utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29</a><br>

                            <br>
                            An article from Dec. 2013:<br>
                            <br>
                            <a href=3D"http://www.networkworld.com/communit=
y/blog/containers-new-hypervisors" target=3D"_blank">http://www.networkworl=
d.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors</a><br>
                            <br>
                            Some additional messaging from their web
                            site:<br>
                            <br>
                            Seven months after launching, the Docker
                            ecosystem is expanding rapidly:<br>
                            Docker has been downloaded over 200,000
                            times, has received over 7,500<br>
                            Github stars, and is receiving contributions
                            from more than 200<br>
                            community developers. Over 2,500
                            &quot;Dockerized&quot; applications are now<br>
                            available at the Docker public index, and
                            third party projects and<br>
                            partnerships built on top of Docker span
                            PaaS, operating systems,<br>
                            hosting services, CI platforms, and more.
                            Over 50 user-created case<br>
                            studies are available from companies such as
                            eBay, Cloudflare,<br>
                            Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health
                            Care, and RelateIQ.<br>
                            <br>
                            I suggest we finesse our messaging against
                            container technologies like<br>
                            Docker, which are gaining traction in the
                            press right now. Feedback from<br>
                            the AB on this point would be appreciated.
                            It will likely be a question<br>
                            that comes up in the near future. We could
                            also try to piggy-back any<br>
                            Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out
                            in the April timeframe,<br>
                            offering reporters a counter opinion/view on
                            containers vs.<br>
                            virtualization, etc.<br>
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On 16/12/2013 13:57, Stefano Stabellini wrote:

Stefano,
this list is still to technical for a press release.

> * ARM/multiboot booting protocol design and implementation in Xen and 
> U-boot 
> * PSCI support in Xen 
How about:
improved boot and firmware support: Xen 4.4 now supports ARM multiboot, 
U-Boot and Power State Coordination Interface (PSCI)
BTW, which PSCI version do we support?

>> Some things which spring to mind:
>>        * We now generate guest device trees automatically, instead of
>>          requiring the user to supply one.
>>        * Our host DTB handling is much improved. It is not generally
>>          necessary to have the DTB for Xen any more
We will not spell these out and just add "usability improvements" 
alongside "*stability and performance updates"

*
> * Safe DMA in Dom0 even with no hardware IOMMUs
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/12/2013 13:57, Stefano Stabellini
      wrote:<br>
      <br>
      Stefano,<br>
      this list is still to technical for a press release.<br>
      <br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:alpine.DEB.2.02.1312161324380.8667@kaball.uk.xensource.com"
      type="cite">
      * ARM/multiboot booting protocol design and implementation in Xen
      and U-boot
    </blockquote>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:alpine.DEB.2.02.1312161324380.8667@kaball.uk.xensource.com"
      type="cite">* PSCI support in Xen
    </blockquote>
    How about: <br>
    improved boot and firmware support: Xen 4.4 now supports ARM
    multiboot, U-Boot and Power State Coordination Interface (PSCI)<br>
    BTW, which PSCI version do we support?<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:alpine.DEB.2.02.1312161324380.8667@kaball.uk.xensource.com"
      type="cite">
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">Some things which spring to mind:
      * We now generate guest device trees automatically, instead of
        requiring the user to supply one.
      * Our host DTB handling is much improved. It is not generally
        necessary to have the DTB for Xen any more</pre>
      </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
    We will not spell these out and just add "usability improvements"
    alongside "<b style="font-weight:normal;"
      id="docs-internal-guid-2278101c-4048-6eee-3f25-3b9fa2331837"><span
style="font-size:16px;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;">stability
        and performance updates"<br>
        <br>
      </span></b>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:alpine.DEB.2.02.1312161324380.8667@kaball.uk.xensource.com"
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On 16/12/2013 13:57, Stefano Stabellini wrote:

Stefano,
this list is still to technical for a press release.

> * ARM/multiboot booting protocol design and implementation in Xen and 
> U-boot 
> * PSCI support in Xen 
How about:
improved boot and firmware support: Xen 4.4 now supports ARM multiboot, 
U-Boot and Power State Coordination Interface (PSCI)
BTW, which PSCI version do we support?

>> Some things which spring to mind:
>>        * We now generate guest device trees automatically, instead of
>>          requiring the user to supply one.
>>        * Our host DTB handling is much improved. It is not generally
>>          necessary to have the DTB for Xen any more
We will not spell these out and just add "usability improvements" 
alongside "*stability and performance updates"

*
> * Safe DMA in Dom0 even with no hardware IOMMUs
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/12/2013 13:57, Stefano Stabellini
      wrote:<br>
      <br>
      Stefano,<br>
      this list is still to technical for a press release.<br>
      <br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:alpine.DEB.2.02.1312161324380.8667@kaball.uk.xensource.com"
      type="cite">
      * ARM/multiboot booting protocol design and implementation in Xen
      and U-boot
    </blockquote>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:alpine.DEB.2.02.1312161324380.8667@kaball.uk.xensource.com"
      type="cite">* PSCI support in Xen
    </blockquote>
    How about: <br>
    improved boot and firmware support: Xen 4.4 now supports ARM
    multiboot, U-Boot and Power State Coordination Interface (PSCI)<br>
    BTW, which PSCI version do we support?<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:alpine.DEB.2.02.1312161324380.8667@kaball.uk.xensource.com"
      type="cite">
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">Some things which spring to mind:
      * We now generate guest device trees automatically, instead of
        requiring the user to supply one.
      * Our host DTB handling is much improved. It is not generally
        necessary to have the DTB for Xen any more</pre>
      </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
    We will not spell these out and just add "usability improvements"
    alongside "<b style="font-weight:normal;"
      id="docs-internal-guid-2278101c-4048-6eee-3f25-3b9fa2331837"><span
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        and performance updates"<br>
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      * Safe DMA in Dom0 even with no hardware IOMMUs</blockquote>
    What does this actually imply and mean?<br>
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>> * significant stability improvements across the board
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> This part is wrong. The implementation in U-boot was discarded or at least never upstreamed.

OK. I removed Uboot from the draft release


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>> * significant stability improvements across the board
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>
> This part is wrong. The implementation in U-boot was discarded or at least never upstreamed.

OK. I removed Uboot from the draft release


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>> breakage) as soon as Konrad sends the pull request on block ABI change 
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> Konrad already pulled the block ABI patch a couple of weeks ago.

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On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 15:08 +0000, Lars Kurth wrote:
> >> * significant stability improvements across the board
> >> * ARM/multiboot booting protocol design and implementation in Xen and
> >>   U-boot
> >
> > This part is wrong. The implementation in U-boot was discarded or at least never upstreamed.
> 
> OK. I removed Uboot from the draft release

I think we could reasonably say that the ability to implement the boot
protocol using existing u-boot features (specifically the "fdt set"
command) counts.

> >> On this topic, we should have a blog post on stable ABI (and block ABI
> >> breakage) as soon as Konrad sends the pull request on block ABI change 
> >> in Linux.
> >
> > Konrad already pulled the block ABI patch a couple of weeks ago.
> 
> OK. Does this mean we can declare the ABIs as stable?

Yes, we should declare the Xen ARM ABI stable in 4.4.

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On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 15:08 +0000, Lars Kurth wrote:
> >> * significant stability improvements across the board
> >> * ARM/multiboot booting protocol design and implementation in Xen and
> >>   U-boot
> >
> > This part is wrong. The implementation in U-boot was discarded or at least never upstreamed.
> 
> OK. I removed Uboot from the draft release

I think we could reasonably say that the ability to implement the boot
protocol using existing u-boot features (specifically the "fdt set"
command) counts.

> >> On this topic, we should have a blog post on stable ABI (and block ABI
> >> breakage) as soon as Konrad sends the pull request on block ABI change 
> >> in Linux.
> >
> > Konrad already pulled the block ABI patch a couple of weeks ago.
> 
> OK. Does this mean we can declare the ABIs as stable?

Yes, we should declare the Xen ARM ABI stable in 4.4.

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>
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> command) counts.
I think we should mention this in the blog post for the Xen 4.4 release, but it's not really suitable for the press release. It's already too long and needs to be simplified
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> >
> > This part is wrong. The implementation in U-boot was discarded or at least never upstreamed.
> 
> OK. I removed Uboot from the draft release

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> >> On this topic, we should have a blog post on stable ABI (and block 
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> >> breakage) as soon as Konrad sends the pull request on block ABI 
> >> change in Linux.
> >
> > Konrad already pulled the block ABI patch a couple of weeks ago.
> 
> OK. Does this mean we can declare the ABIs as stable?

Yes, we should declare the Xen ARM ABI stable in 4.4.

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>
> I think we could reasonably say that the ability to implement the boot protocol using existing u-boot features (specifically the "fdt set"
> command) counts.
I think we should mention this in the blog post for the Xen 4.4 release, but it's not really suitable for the press release. It's already too long and needs to be simplified
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> >> * significant stability improvements across the board
> >> * ARM/multiboot booting protocol design and implementation in Xen and
> >>   U-boot
> >
> > This part is wrong. The implementation in U-boot was discarded or at least never upstreamed.
> 
> OK. I removed Uboot from the draft release

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command) counts.

> >> On this topic, we should have a blog post on stable ABI (and block 
> >> ABI
> >> breakage) as soon as Konrad sends the pull request on block ABI 
> >> change in Linux.
> >
> > Konrad already pulled the block ABI patch a couple of weeks ago.
> 
> OK. Does this mean we can declare the ABIs as stable?

Yes, we should declare the Xen ARM ABI stable in 4.4.

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On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 12:29 +0400, Glauber Costa wrote:

> - The performance thing with containers is *not* true. They use
> cgroups, which are expensive.

I think knew this in my subconcious (having read about it on LWN etc way
back when) but hadn't really dragged it up to my forebrain ;-), this is
a very interesting point.

>  As much as I have succeeded to make that cost go down,
> it is still expensive. We are doing benchmarks against Linux as a
> guest, maybe we should start looking at doing benchmarks against a
> container environment?

It would certainly be interesting to know the answer IMHO. 

> - I am following the follow up of my work closely (kmemcg shrinking),
> and this is not yet complete in Linux. What it means is that it is
> still impossible
> to properly control kernel memory used by each container. It is still
> trivial for a malicious containers to destroy everything. There are
> many other holes to gap,
> and while they are there containers are particularly insecure. 

Worth knowing!

> The advantage of containers that we do need to be aware of, is that it
> allows for greater flexibility of resource sharing. For instance, you
> can leave
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> for memory only. This can be handy in some cases, but it is probably
> not that broadly
> relevant.

They also share e.g. a page cache, although with multiple containers I
don't know how beneficial that is in practice -- do they have any sort
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> cgroups, which are expensive.

I think knew this in my subconcious (having read about it on LWN etc way
back when) but hadn't really dragged it up to my forebrain ;-), this is
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>  As much as I have succeeded to make that cost go down,
> it is still expensive. We are doing benchmarks against Linux as a
> guest, maybe we should start looking at doing benchmarks against a
> container environment?

It would certainly be interesting to know the answer IMHO. 

> - I am following the follow up of my work closely (kmemcg shrinking),
> and this is not yet complete in Linux. What it means is that it is
> still impossible
> to properly control kernel memory used by each container. It is still
> trivial for a malicious containers to destroy everything. There are
> many other holes to gap,
> and while they are there containers are particularly insecure. 

Worth knowing!

> The advantage of containers that we do need to be aware of, is that it
> allows for greater flexibility of resource sharing. For instance, you
> can leave
> all processes to use the disk cpu freely, while they are restricted
> for memory only. This can be handy in some cases, but it is probably
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***

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 + Julien Grall
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 + Ian Jackson

Julien, as asked last week already, what about a blog-ified version of
your FOSDEM talk about FreeBSD on Xen on ARM?

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***

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 + Stefano Stabellini
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your FOSDEM talk about FreeBSD on Xen on ARM?

In fact, I think it would really be particularly interesting and useful
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Do you think you can give it a go during the week? Having it ready in a
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Thanks and Regards,
Dario

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On 02/18/2014 05:56 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> Hello everyone,

Hi Dario,

> Julien, as asked last week already, what about a blog-ified version of
> your FOSDEM talk about FreeBSD on Xen on ARM?
> 
> In fact, I think it would really be particularly interesting and useful
> to have a comprehensive and well written and formatted documentation on
> how to port an OS on Xen on ARM. Of course, that's a big and longer
> task, and something more suited for the Wiki rather that the blog...
> But, having at least what you covered in Brussels there, would be a
> really nice first step.
> 
> Do you think you can give it a go during the week? Having it ready in a
> couple of days would be great. We can afford publishing Friday, or even
> early next week, but let's at least try, ok? :-)

Sorry for the late answer.

I will be off for 2 weeks next thursday (citrix connect, holidays,
linaro connect) and I would like to clean up and send a couple of patch
series before the end of the week.
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On 02/18/2014 05:56 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> Hello everyone,

Hi Dario,

> Julien, as asked last week already, what about a blog-ified version of
> your FOSDEM talk about FreeBSD on Xen on ARM?
> 
> In fact, I think it would really be particularly interesting and useful
> to have a comprehensive and well written and formatted documentation on
> how to port an OS on Xen on ARM. Of course, that's a big and longer
> task, and something more suited for the Wiki rather that the blog...
> But, having at least what you covered in Brussels there, would be a
> really nice first step.
> 
> Do you think you can give it a go during the week? Having it ready in a
> couple of days would be great. We can afford publishing Friday, or even
> early next week, but let's at least try, ok? :-)

Sorry for the late answer.

I will be off for 2 weeks next thursday (citrix connect, holidays,
linaro connect) and I would like to clean up and send a couple of patch
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We did have 
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On 18/02/2014 18:21, Julien Grall wrote:
> On 02/18/2014 05:56 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
> Hi Dario,
>
>> Julien, as asked last week already, what about a blog-ified version of
>> your FOSDEM talk about FreeBSD on Xen on ARM?
>>
>> In fact, I think it would really be particularly interesting and useful
>> to have a comprehensive and well written and formatted documentation on
>> how to port an OS on Xen on ARM. Of course, that's a big and longer
>> task, and something more suited for the Wiki rather that the blog...
>> But, having at least what you covered in Brussels there, would be a
>> really nice first step.
>>
>> Do you think you can give it a go during the week? Having it ready in a
>> couple of days would be great. We can afford publishing Friday, or even
>> early next week, but let's at least try, ok? :-)
> Sorry for the late answer.
>
> I will be off for 2 weeks next thursday (citrix connect, holidays,
> linaro connect) and I would like to clean up and send a couple of patch
> series before the end of the week.
> Honestly, except if I don't sleep until friday, I won't be able to write
> a blog post.
>
> Regards,
>


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We did have 
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On 18/02/2014 18:21, Julien Grall wrote:
> On 02/18/2014 05:56 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
> Hi Dario,
>
>> Julien, as asked last week already, what about a blog-ified version of
>> your FOSDEM talk about FreeBSD on Xen on ARM?
>>
>> In fact, I think it would really be particularly interesting and useful
>> to have a comprehensive and well written and formatted documentation on
>> how to port an OS on Xen on ARM. Of course, that's a big and longer
>> task, and something more suited for the Wiki rather that the blog...
>> But, having at least what you covered in Brussels there, would be a
>> really nice first step.
>>
>> Do you think you can give it a go during the week? Having it ready in a
>> couple of days would be great. We can afford publishing Friday, or even
>> early next week, but let's at least try, ok? :-)
> Sorry for the late answer.
>
> I will be off for 2 weeks next thursday (citrix connect, holidays,
> linaro connect) and I would like to clean up and send a couple of patch
> series before the end of the week.
> Honestly, except if I don't sleep until friday, I won't be able to write
> a blog post.
>
> Regards,
>


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I can volunteer to be spokesperson -- what exactly will it entail?

  -George

On 02/17/2014 01:23 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thank you everyone for providing more background on this and offering 
> ways to differentiate/educate the market on hypervisors vs./and 
> containers. I'll summarize the content in this email chain this week 
> into a media pitch to send to reporters who are covering companies 
> like Docker, offering up someone from Xen Project as an expert 
> spokesperson on the topic. I can inquire about the possible 
> collaboration with OVA.
>
> To Lars' point, it would be helpful if someone would volunteer to be a 
> spokesperson for Xen Project on this topic. Some technical background 
> is necessary, of course. Reporters are also watching the company 
> Docker evolve, covering news like its recent venture funding. They are 
> keeping their eyes on moves like RedHat including Docker in its beta 
> release and Google adding it to its Google Compute Engine Service. 
> Docker also seems to be positioning its technology as a "DevOps tool." 
> So, reporters may go beyond pure technical feature questions and ask 
> about these market shifts and developments.
>
> Here are examples of some recent Docker coverage and the reporters I'd 
> be approaching to offer an interview:
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/virtualization/docker-challenges-virtualization-market-containers-235897
> http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/docker-brings-open-source-container-virtualization-to-apple-mac-os-x.html
> http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software-companies/why-red-hats-roger-egan-joined-docker
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@xen.org 
> <mailto:lars.kurth@xen.org>> wrote:
>
>
>     On 12/02/2014 00:29, Glauber Costa wrote:
>>
>>     Hi
>>
>     Glauber,
>
>     sorry your mail was stuck in the moderator queue for a week.  I
>     was travelling and forgot my little notebook of passwords.
>
>
>>     So that talk I gave was not really an HV vs containers, it was
>>     more a containers overview when I was working in the containers side.
>>     When I joined Cloudius, I have published the following text:
>>     https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa
>>
>>     My main message was that an OS like OSv changes the game, because
>>     it bridges the duplication gap without giving up the rest. When I
>>     published, it reached a small audience because we had very little
>>     followers. If you have a broader channel, it would be good to
>>     broadcast
>>     or link to it.
>     @Sarah, can you outline what you were planning to do and roughly
>     when? Also, you mentioned you needed a spokesperson. As I will be
>     out hiking in the Australian outback for a few weeks and I don't
>     have the technical depth, it may make sense for someone else to
>     step up.
>
>     I am also wondering whether it makes sense to coordinate a
>     response to containers with (or at least coordinated) with the
>     OVA. I don't know who handles press and PR matters at the OVA
>     though. Just a thought.
>
>
>>
>>     Other aspects for consideration: It depends really which audience
>>     we want to reach.
>>     -For more sophisticated audiences, it is worthwhile to point out
>>     (although obvious) that using containers will restrict your
>>     ability to be in control of your kernel (even talking cross-OS),
>>     and once you start using it, it's harder to maintain an
>>     heterogeneous environment. This makes it a no-go for whoever is
>>     selling IaaS.
>>
>>     - The performance thing with containers is *not* true. They use
>>     cgroups, which are expensive. As much as I have succeeded to make
>>     that cost go down, it is still expensive. We are doing benchmarks
>>     against Linux as a guest, maybe we should start looking at doing
>>     benchmarks against a container environment?
>     That is a good point.
>
>
>>
>>     - I am following the follow up of my work closely (kmemcg
>>     shrinking), and this is not yet complete in Linux. What it means
>>     is that it is still impossible to properly control kernel memory
>>     used by each container. It is still trivial for a malicious
>>     containers to destroy everything. There are many other holes to
>>     gap, and while they are there containers are particularly insecure.
>>
>>     The advantage of containers that we do need to be aware of, is
>>     that it allows for greater flexibility of resource sharing. For
>>     instance, you can leave all processes to use the disk cpu freely,
>>     while they are restricted for memory only. This can be handy in
>>     some cases, but it is probably not that broadly relevant.
>>
>>
>>         Tzach
>>
>>
>>
>>              -George
>>
>>
>>             On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>>
>>                 FYI,
>>
>>                 Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker
>>                 release. (1.0 version is
>>                 expected in April.) With these new releases,
>>                 supposedly Docker can now
>>                 "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS
>>                 solutions." They are
>>                 positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS,
>>                 pigeon-holing
>>                 hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
>>
>>                 The article goes on to say: "Unlike the
>>                 virtualization hypervisors that
>>                 power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't
>>                 virtualize an entire
>>                 operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized
>>                 application
>>                 containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host
>>                 operating system. By
>>                 virtualizing at the application level, Docker can
>>                 offer greater
>>                 portability, efficiency and security."
>>
>>                 http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
>>
>>                 An article from Dec. 2013:
>>
>>                 http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
>>
>>                 Some additional messaging from their web site:
>>
>>                 Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is
>>                 expanding rapidly:
>>                 Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has
>>                 received over 7,500
>>                 Github stars, and is receiving contributions from
>>                 more than 200
>>                 community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized"
>>                 applications are now
>>                 available at the Docker public index, and third party
>>                 projects and
>>                 partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS,
>>                 operating systems,
>>                 hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50
>>                 user-created case
>>                 studies are available from companies such as eBay,
>>                 Cloudflare,
>>                 Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and
>>                 RelateIQ.
>>
>>                 I suggest we finesse our messaging against container
>>                 technologies like
>>                 Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right
>>                 now. Feedback from
>>                 the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will
>>                 likely be a question
>>                 that comes up in the near future. We could also try
>>                 to piggy-back any
>>                 Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the
>>                 April timeframe,
>>                 offering reporters a counter opinion/view on
>>                 containers vs.
>>                 virtualization, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>             _______________________________________________
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>>             Publicity@lists.xenproject.org
>>             <mailto:Publicity@lists.xenproject.org>
>>             http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>     http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
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>     http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Sarah Conway
> PR Manager
> The Linux Foundation
> sconway@linuxfoundation.org <mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org>
> (978) 578-5300  Cell
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I can volunteer to be spokesperson --
      what exactly will it entail?<br>
      <br>
      &nbsp;-George<br>
      <br>
      On 02/17/2014 01:23 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAFm1QiBGukR4zqjp8zf9Bkn8eKwGA3bPhSrybTEV0G2p4aOsyQ@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi all,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Thank you everyone for providing more background on this
          and offering ways to differentiate/educate the market on
          hypervisors vs./and containers. I'll summarize the content in
          this email chain this week into a media pitch to send to
          reporters who are covering companies like Docker, offering up
          someone from Xen Project as an expert spokesperson on the
          topic. I can inquire about the possible collaboration with
          OVA. &nbsp;</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>To Lars' point, it would be helpful if someone would
          volunteer to be a spokesperson for Xen Project on this topic.
          Some technical background is necessary, of course. Reporters
          are also watching the company Docker evolve, covering news
          like its recent venture funding. They are keeping their eyes
          on moves like RedHat including Docker in its beta release and
          Google adding it to its Google Compute Engine Service. Docker
          also seems to be positioning its technology as a "DevOps
          tool." So, reporters may go beyond pure technical feature
          questions and ask about these market shifts and developments.
          <br>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAFm1QiBGukR4zqjp8zf9Bkn8eKwGA3bPhSrybTEV0G2p4aOsyQ@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Here are examples of some recent Docker coverage and the
          reporters I'd be approaching to offer an interview:&nbsp;</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.infoworld.com/d/virtualization/docker-challenges-virtualization-market-containers-235897">http://www.infoworld.com/d/virtualization/docker-challenges-virtualization-market-containers-235897</a></div>
        <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/docker-brings-open-source-container-virtualization-to-apple-mac-os-x.html">http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/docker-brings-open-source-container-virtualization-to-apple-mac-os-x.html</a><br>
        </div>
        <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software-companies/why-red-hats-roger-egan-joined-docker">http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software-companies/why-red-hats-roger-egan-joined-docker</a><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Thanks,</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Lars
          Kurth <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:lars.kurth@xen.org" target="_blank">lars.kurth@xen.org</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
              <div><br>
                On 12/02/2014 00:29, Glauber Costa wrote:<br>
              </div>
              <blockquote type="cite">
                <div dir="ltr">
                  <div class="gmail_extra">
                    <div class="gmail_quote"><br>
                      <div>Hi<br>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
              Glauber,<br>
              <br>
              sorry your mail was stuck in the moderator queue for a
              week.&nbsp; I was travelling and forgot my little notebook of
              passwords.
              <div class=""><br>
                <br>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div dir="ltr">
                    <div class="gmail_extra">
                      <div class="gmail_quote">
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>So that talk I gave was not really an HV vs
                          containers, it was more a containers overview
                          when I was working in the containers side.<br>
                        </div>
                        <div>When I joined Cloudius, I have published
                          the following text: <br>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa"
                            target="_blank">https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa</a><br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        <div>My main message was that an OS like OSv
                          changes the game, because it bridges the
                          duplication gap without giving up the rest.
                          When I<br>
                        </div>
                        <div>published, it reached a small audience
                          because we had very little followers. If you
                          have a broader channel, it would be good to
                          broadcast<br>
                          or link to it.<br>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
              </div>
              @Sarah, can you outline what you were planning to do and
              roughly when? Also, you mentioned you needed a
              spokesperson. As I will be out hiking in the Australian
              outback for a few weeks and I don't have the technical
              depth, it may make sense for someone else to step up.<br>
              <br>
              I am also wondering whether it makes sense to coordinate a
              response to containers with (or at least coordinated) with
              the OVA. I don't know who handles press and PR matters at
              the OVA though. Just a thought.
              <div class=""><br>
                <br>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div dir="ltr">
                    <div class="gmail_extra">
                      <div class="gmail_quote">
                        <div><br>
                          Other aspects for consideration: It depends
                          really which audience we want to reach.<br>
                        </div>
                        <div>-For more sophisticated audiences, it is
                          worthwhile to point out (although obvious)
                          that using containers will restrict your
                          ability to be in control of your kernel (even
                          talking cross-OS), and once you start using
                          it, it's harder to maintain an heterogeneous
                          environment. This makes it a no-go for whoever
                          is selling IaaS. <br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        <div>- The performance thing with containers is
                          *not* true. They use cgroups, which are
                          expensive. As much as I have succeeded to make
                          that cost go down, it is still expensive. We
                          are doing benchmarks against Linux as a guest,
                          maybe we should start looking at doing
                          benchmarks against a container environment?<br>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
              </div>
              That is a good point.
              <div>
                <div class="h5"><br>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div dir="ltr">
                      <div class="gmail_extra">
                        <div class="gmail_quote">
                          <div> <br>
                          </div>
                          <div>- I am following the follow up of my work
                            closely (kmemcg shrinking), and this is not
                            yet complete in Linux. What it means is that
                            it is still impossible to properly control
                            kernel memory used by each container. It is
                            still trivial for a malicious containers to
                            destroy everything. There are many other
                            holes to gap, and while they are there
                            containers are particularly insecure. <br>
                            <br>
                          </div>
                          <div>The advantage of containers that we do
                            need to be aware of, is that it allows for
                            greater flexibility of resource sharing. For
                            instance, you can leave all processes to use
                            the disk cpu freely, while they are
                            restricted for memory only. This can be
                            handy in some cases, but it is probably not
                            that broadly relevant.<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                            style="margin:0px 0px 0px
                            0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                            rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                            <div dir="ltr">
                              <div class="gmail_extra">
                                <div class="gmail_quote">
                                  <div>Tzach&nbsp;<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                    style="margin:0px 0px 0px
                                    0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                                    rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                    <br>
                                    &nbsp;-George
                                    <div>
                                      <div><br>
                                        <br>
                                        On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah
                                        Conway wrote:<br>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                          style="margin:0px 0px 0px
                                          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                                          rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                          FYI,<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Below is VARGuy coverage of
                                          the latest Docker release.
                                          (1.0 version is<br>
                                          expected in April.) With these
                                          new releases, supposedly
                                          Docker can now<br>
                                          "meet the demands of cloud
                                          computing and PaaS solutions."
                                          They are<br>
                                          positioning it as the next
                                          logical step for PaaS,
                                          pigeon-holing<br>
                                          hypervisors as only beneficial
                                          to IaaS.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          The article goes on to say:
                                          "Unlike the virtualization
                                          hypervisors that<br>
                                          power most virtual servers
                                          today, Docker doesn't
                                          virtualize an entire<br>
                                          operating system. Instead, it
                                          provides virtualized
                                          application<br>
                                          containers that run on top of
                                          a "bare-metal" host operating
                                          system. By<br>
                                          virtualizing at the
                                          application level, Docker can
                                          offer greater<br>
                                          portability, efficiency and
                                          security."<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29"
                                            target="_blank">http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29</a><br>
                                          <br>
                                          An article from Dec. 2013:<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors"
                                            target="_blank">http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors</a><br>
                                          <br>
                                          Some additional messaging from
                                          their web site:<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Seven months after launching,
                                          the Docker ecosystem is
                                          expanding rapidly:<br>
                                          Docker has been downloaded
                                          over 200,000 times, has
                                          received over 7,500<br>
                                          Github stars, and is receiving
                                          contributions from more than
                                          200<br>
                                          community developers. Over
                                          2,500 "Dockerized"
                                          applications are now<br>
                                          available at the Docker public
                                          index, and third party
                                          projects and<br>
                                          partnerships built on top of
                                          Docker span PaaS, operating
                                          systems,<br>
                                          hosting services, CI
                                          platforms, and more. Over 50
                                          user-created case<br>
                                          studies are available from
                                          companies such as eBay,
                                          Cloudflare,<br>
                                          Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex,
                                          Cambridge Health Care, and
                                          RelateIQ.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          I suggest we finesse our
                                          messaging against container
                                          technologies like<br>
                                          Docker, which are gaining
                                          traction in the press right
                                          now. Feedback from<br>
                                          the AB on this point would be
                                          appreciated. It will likely be
                                          a question<br>
                                          that comes up in the near
                                          future. We could also try to
                                          piggy-back any<br>
                                          Docker 1.0 coverage that might
                                          be coming out in the April
                                          timeframe,<br>
                                          offering reporters a counter
                                          opinion/view on containers vs.<br>
                                          virtualization, etc.<br>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
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I can volunteer to be spokesperson -- what exactly will it entail?

  -George

On 02/17/2014 01:23 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thank you everyone for providing more background on this and offering 
> ways to differentiate/educate the market on hypervisors vs./and 
> containers. I'll summarize the content in this email chain this week 
> into a media pitch to send to reporters who are covering companies 
> like Docker, offering up someone from Xen Project as an expert 
> spokesperson on the topic. I can inquire about the possible 
> collaboration with OVA.
>
> To Lars' point, it would be helpful if someone would volunteer to be a 
> spokesperson for Xen Project on this topic. Some technical background 
> is necessary, of course. Reporters are also watching the company 
> Docker evolve, covering news like its recent venture funding. They are 
> keeping their eyes on moves like RedHat including Docker in its beta 
> release and Google adding it to its Google Compute Engine Service. 
> Docker also seems to be positioning its technology as a "DevOps tool." 
> So, reporters may go beyond pure technical feature questions and ask 
> about these market shifts and developments.
>
> Here are examples of some recent Docker coverage and the reporters I'd 
> be approaching to offer an interview:
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/virtualization/docker-challenges-virtualization-market-containers-235897
> http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/docker-brings-open-source-container-virtualization-to-apple-mac-os-x.html
> http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software-companies/why-red-hats-roger-egan-joined-docker
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@xen.org 
> <mailto:lars.kurth@xen.org>> wrote:
>
>
>     On 12/02/2014 00:29, Glauber Costa wrote:
>>
>>     Hi
>>
>     Glauber,
>
>     sorry your mail was stuck in the moderator queue for a week.  I
>     was travelling and forgot my little notebook of passwords.
>
>
>>     So that talk I gave was not really an HV vs containers, it was
>>     more a containers overview when I was working in the containers side.
>>     When I joined Cloudius, I have published the following text:
>>     https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa
>>
>>     My main message was that an OS like OSv changes the game, because
>>     it bridges the duplication gap without giving up the rest. When I
>>     published, it reached a small audience because we had very little
>>     followers. If you have a broader channel, it would be good to
>>     broadcast
>>     or link to it.
>     @Sarah, can you outline what you were planning to do and roughly
>     when? Also, you mentioned you needed a spokesperson. As I will be
>     out hiking in the Australian outback for a few weeks and I don't
>     have the technical depth, it may make sense for someone else to
>     step up.
>
>     I am also wondering whether it makes sense to coordinate a
>     response to containers with (or at least coordinated) with the
>     OVA. I don't know who handles press and PR matters at the OVA
>     though. Just a thought.
>
>
>>
>>     Other aspects for consideration: It depends really which audience
>>     we want to reach.
>>     -For more sophisticated audiences, it is worthwhile to point out
>>     (although obvious) that using containers will restrict your
>>     ability to be in control of your kernel (even talking cross-OS),
>>     and once you start using it, it's harder to maintain an
>>     heterogeneous environment. This makes it a no-go for whoever is
>>     selling IaaS.
>>
>>     - The performance thing with containers is *not* true. They use
>>     cgroups, which are expensive. As much as I have succeeded to make
>>     that cost go down, it is still expensive. We are doing benchmarks
>>     against Linux as a guest, maybe we should start looking at doing
>>     benchmarks against a container environment?
>     That is a good point.
>
>
>>
>>     - I am following the follow up of my work closely (kmemcg
>>     shrinking), and this is not yet complete in Linux. What it means
>>     is that it is still impossible to properly control kernel memory
>>     used by each container. It is still trivial for a malicious
>>     containers to destroy everything. There are many other holes to
>>     gap, and while they are there containers are particularly insecure.
>>
>>     The advantage of containers that we do need to be aware of, is
>>     that it allows for greater flexibility of resource sharing. For
>>     instance, you can leave all processes to use the disk cpu freely,
>>     while they are restricted for memory only. This can be handy in
>>     some cases, but it is probably not that broadly relevant.
>>
>>
>>         Tzach
>>
>>
>>
>>              -George
>>
>>
>>             On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>>
>>                 FYI,
>>
>>                 Below is VARGuy coverage of the latest Docker
>>                 release. (1.0 version is
>>                 expected in April.) With these new releases,
>>                 supposedly Docker can now
>>                 "meet the demands of cloud computing and PaaS
>>                 solutions." They are
>>                 positioning it as the next logical step for PaaS,
>>                 pigeon-holing
>>                 hypervisors as only beneficial to IaaS.
>>
>>                 The article goes on to say: "Unlike the
>>                 virtualization hypervisors that
>>                 power most virtual servers today, Docker doesn't
>>                 virtualize an entire
>>                 operating system. Instead, it provides virtualized
>>                 application
>>                 containers that run on top of a "bare-metal" host
>>                 operating system. By
>>                 virtualizing at the application level, Docker can
>>                 offer greater
>>                 portability, efficiency and security."
>>
>>                 http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29
>>
>>                 An article from Dec. 2013:
>>
>>                 http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors
>>
>>                 Some additional messaging from their web site:
>>
>>                 Seven months after launching, the Docker ecosystem is
>>                 expanding rapidly:
>>                 Docker has been downloaded over 200,000 times, has
>>                 received over 7,500
>>                 Github stars, and is receiving contributions from
>>                 more than 200
>>                 community developers. Over 2,500 "Dockerized"
>>                 applications are now
>>                 available at the Docker public index, and third party
>>                 projects and
>>                 partnerships built on top of Docker span PaaS,
>>                 operating systems,
>>                 hosting services, CI platforms, and more. Over 50
>>                 user-created case
>>                 studies are available from companies such as eBay,
>>                 Cloudflare,
>>                 Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex, Cambridge Health Care, and
>>                 RelateIQ.
>>
>>                 I suggest we finesse our messaging against container
>>                 technologies like
>>                 Docker, which are gaining traction in the press right
>>                 now. Feedback from
>>                 the AB on this point would be appreciated. It will
>>                 likely be a question
>>                 that comes up in the near future. We could also try
>>                 to piggy-back any
>>                 Docker 1.0 coverage that might be coming out in the
>>                 April timeframe,
>>                 offering reporters a counter opinion/view on
>>                 containers vs.
>>                 virtualization, etc.
>>
>>
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> -- 
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I can volunteer to be spokesperson --
      what exactly will it entail?<br>
      <br>
      &nbsp;-George<br>
      <br>
      On 02/17/2014 01:23 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAFm1QiBGukR4zqjp8zf9Bkn8eKwGA3bPhSrybTEV0G2p4aOsyQ@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi all,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Thank you everyone for providing more background on this
          and offering ways to differentiate/educate the market on
          hypervisors vs./and containers. I'll summarize the content in
          this email chain this week into a media pitch to send to
          reporters who are covering companies like Docker, offering up
          someone from Xen Project as an expert spokesperson on the
          topic. I can inquire about the possible collaboration with
          OVA. &nbsp;</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>To Lars' point, it would be helpful if someone would
          volunteer to be a spokesperson for Xen Project on this topic.
          Some technical background is necessary, of course. Reporters
          are also watching the company Docker evolve, covering news
          like its recent venture funding. They are keeping their eyes
          on moves like RedHat including Docker in its beta release and
          Google adding it to its Google Compute Engine Service. Docker
          also seems to be positioning its technology as a "DevOps
          tool." So, reporters may go beyond pure technical feature
          questions and ask about these market shifts and developments.
          <br>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAFm1QiBGukR4zqjp8zf9Bkn8eKwGA3bPhSrybTEV0G2p4aOsyQ@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Here are examples of some recent Docker coverage and the
          reporters I'd be approaching to offer an interview:&nbsp;</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.infoworld.com/d/virtualization/docker-challenges-virtualization-market-containers-235897">http://www.infoworld.com/d/virtualization/docker-challenges-virtualization-market-containers-235897</a></div>
        <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/docker-brings-open-source-container-virtualization-to-apple-mac-os-x.html">http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/docker-brings-open-source-container-virtualization-to-apple-mac-os-x.html</a><br>
        </div>
        <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software-companies/why-red-hats-roger-egan-joined-docker">http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software-companies/why-red-hats-roger-egan-joined-docker</a><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Thanks,</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Lars
          Kurth <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:lars.kurth@xen.org" target="_blank">lars.kurth@xen.org</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
              <div><br>
                On 12/02/2014 00:29, Glauber Costa wrote:<br>
              </div>
              <blockquote type="cite">
                <div dir="ltr">
                  <div class="gmail_extra">
                    <div class="gmail_quote"><br>
                      <div>Hi<br>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
              Glauber,<br>
              <br>
              sorry your mail was stuck in the moderator queue for a
              week.&nbsp; I was travelling and forgot my little notebook of
              passwords.
              <div class=""><br>
                <br>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div dir="ltr">
                    <div class="gmail_extra">
                      <div class="gmail_quote">
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>So that talk I gave was not really an HV vs
                          containers, it was more a containers overview
                          when I was working in the containers side.<br>
                        </div>
                        <div>When I joined Cloudius, I have published
                          the following text: <br>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa"
                            target="_blank">https://plus.google.com/107787008629542080430/posts/fgzsepcScTa</a><br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        <div>My main message was that an OS like OSv
                          changes the game, because it bridges the
                          duplication gap without giving up the rest.
                          When I<br>
                        </div>
                        <div>published, it reached a small audience
                          because we had very little followers. If you
                          have a broader channel, it would be good to
                          broadcast<br>
                          or link to it.<br>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
              </div>
              @Sarah, can you outline what you were planning to do and
              roughly when? Also, you mentioned you needed a
              spokesperson. As I will be out hiking in the Australian
              outback for a few weeks and I don't have the technical
              depth, it may make sense for someone else to step up.<br>
              <br>
              I am also wondering whether it makes sense to coordinate a
              response to containers with (or at least coordinated) with
              the OVA. I don't know who handles press and PR matters at
              the OVA though. Just a thought.
              <div class=""><br>
                <br>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div dir="ltr">
                    <div class="gmail_extra">
                      <div class="gmail_quote">
                        <div><br>
                          Other aspects for consideration: It depends
                          really which audience we want to reach.<br>
                        </div>
                        <div>-For more sophisticated audiences, it is
                          worthwhile to point out (although obvious)
                          that using containers will restrict your
                          ability to be in control of your kernel (even
                          talking cross-OS), and once you start using
                          it, it's harder to maintain an heterogeneous
                          environment. This makes it a no-go for whoever
                          is selling IaaS. <br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        <div>- The performance thing with containers is
                          *not* true. They use cgroups, which are
                          expensive. As much as I have succeeded to make
                          that cost go down, it is still expensive. We
                          are doing benchmarks against Linux as a guest,
                          maybe we should start looking at doing
                          benchmarks against a container environment?<br>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
              </div>
              That is a good point.
              <div>
                <div class="h5"><br>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div dir="ltr">
                      <div class="gmail_extra">
                        <div class="gmail_quote">
                          <div> <br>
                          </div>
                          <div>- I am following the follow up of my work
                            closely (kmemcg shrinking), and this is not
                            yet complete in Linux. What it means is that
                            it is still impossible to properly control
                            kernel memory used by each container. It is
                            still trivial for a malicious containers to
                            destroy everything. There are many other
                            holes to gap, and while they are there
                            containers are particularly insecure. <br>
                            <br>
                          </div>
                          <div>The advantage of containers that we do
                            need to be aware of, is that it allows for
                            greater flexibility of resource sharing. For
                            instance, you can leave all processes to use
                            the disk cpu freely, while they are
                            restricted for memory only. This can be
                            handy in some cases, but it is probably not
                            that broadly relevant.<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                            style="margin:0px 0px 0px
                            0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                            rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                            <div dir="ltr">
                              <div class="gmail_extra">
                                <div class="gmail_quote">
                                  <div>Tzach&nbsp;<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                    style="margin:0px 0px 0px
                                    0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                                    rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                    <br>
                                    &nbsp;-George
                                    <div>
                                      <div><br>
                                        <br>
                                        On 02/11/2014 07:08 PM, Sarah
                                        Conway wrote:<br>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                          style="margin:0px 0px 0px
                                          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
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                                          FYI,<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Below is VARGuy coverage of
                                          the latest Docker release.
                                          (1.0 version is<br>
                                          expected in April.) With these
                                          new releases, supposedly
                                          Docker can now<br>
                                          "meet the demands of cloud
                                          computing and PaaS solutions."
                                          They are<br>
                                          positioning it as the next
                                          logical step for PaaS,
                                          pigeon-holing<br>
                                          hypervisors as only beneficial
                                          to IaaS.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          The article goes on to say:
                                          "Unlike the virtualization
                                          hypervisors that<br>
                                          power most virtual servers
                                          today, Docker doesn't
                                          virtualize an entire<br>
                                          operating system. Instead, it
                                          provides virtualized
                                          application<br>
                                          containers that run on top of
                                          a "bare-metal" host operating
                                          system. By<br>
                                          virtualizing at the
                                          application level, Docker can
                                          offer greater<br>
                                          portability, efficiency and
                                          security."<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://thevarguy.com/virtualization-applications-and-technologies/021014/docker-open-source-container-virtualization-rise?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheVarGuy+%28The+VAR+Guy%29"
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                                          <br>
                                          An article from Dec. 2013:<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors"
                                            target="_blank">http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/containers-new-hypervisors</a><br>
                                          <br>
                                          Some additional messaging from
                                          their web site:<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Seven months after launching,
                                          the Docker ecosystem is
                                          expanding rapidly:<br>
                                          Docker has been downloaded
                                          over 200,000 times, has
                                          received over 7,500<br>
                                          Github stars, and is receiving
                                          contributions from more than
                                          200<br>
                                          community developers. Over
                                          2,500 "Dockerized"
                                          applications are now<br>
                                          available at the Docker public
                                          index, and third party
                                          projects and<br>
                                          partnerships built on top of
                                          Docker span PaaS, operating
                                          systems,<br>
                                          hosting services, CI
                                          platforms, and more. Over 50
                                          user-created case<br>
                                          studies are available from
                                          companies such as eBay,
                                          Cloudflare,<br>
                                          Rackspace/Mailgun, Yandex,
                                          Cambridge Health Care, and
                                          RelateIQ.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          I suggest we finesse our
                                          messaging against container
                                          technologies like<br>
                                          Docker, which are gaining
                                          traction in the press right
                                          now. Feedback from<br>
                                          the AB on this point would be
                                          appreciated. It will likely be
                                          a question<br>
                                          that comes up in the near
                                          future. We could also try to
                                          piggy-back any<br>
                                          Docker 1.0 coverage that might
                                          be coming out in the April
                                          timeframe,<br>
                                          offering reporters a counter
                                          opinion/view on containers vs.<br>
                                          virtualization, etc.<br>
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On mar, 2014-02-18 at 18:21 +0000, Julien Grall wrote:
> On 02/18/2014 05:56 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> > Hello everyone,

> > Do you think you can give it a go during the week? Having it ready in a
> > couple of days would be great. We can afford publishing Friday, or even
> > early next week, but let's at least try, ok? :-)
>=20
> Sorry for the late answer.
>=20
> I will be off for 2 weeks next thursday (citrix connect, holidays,
> linaro connect) and I would like to clean up and send a couple of patch
> series before the end of the week.
> Honestly, except if I don't sleep until friday, I won't be able to write
> a blog post.
>=20
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meeting) to cover up for this week. :-)

So, Julien, forgive me, but I'm not sure I get it from above... Could
you tell me what a reasonable date for a blog post from you could be?
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Regards,
Dario

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On mar, 2014-02-18 at 18:21 +0000, Julien Grall wrote:
> On 02/18/2014 05:56 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> > Hello everyone,

> > Do you think you can give it a go during the week? Having it ready in a
> > couple of days would be great. We can afford publishing Friday, or even
> > early next week, but let's at least try, ok? :-)
>=20
> Sorry for the late answer.
>=20
> I will be off for 2 weeks next thursday (citrix connect, holidays,
> linaro connect) and I would like to clean up and send a couple of patch
> series before the end of the week.
> Honestly, except if I don't sleep until friday, I won't be able to write
> a blog post.
>=20
Well, that is fine, considering that IanJ volunteered (in an off-list
meeting) to cover up for this week. :-)

So, Julien, forgive me, but I'm not sure I get it from above... Could
you tell me what a reasonable date for a blog post from you could be?
That way, I can put you back in a proper place in the pipeline.

Regards,
Dario

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On 02/19/2014 04:32 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On mar, 2014-02-18 at 18:21 +0000, Julien Grall wrote:
>> On 02/18/2014 05:56 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>>> Hello everyone,
> 
>>> Do you think you can give it a go during the week? Having it ready in a
>>> couple of days would be great. We can afford publishing Friday, or even
>>> early next week, but let's at least try, ok? :-)
>>
>> Sorry for the late answer.
>>
>> I will be off for 2 weeks next thursday (citrix connect, holidays,
>> linaro connect) and I would like to clean up and send a couple of patch
>> series before the end of the week.
>> Honestly, except if I don't sleep until friday, I won't be able to write
>> a blog post.
>>
> Well, that is fine, considering that IanJ volunteered (in an off-list
> meeting) to cover up for this week. :-)
> 
> So, Julien, forgive me, but I'm not sure I get it from above... Could
> you tell me what a reasonable date for a blog post from you could be?
> That way, I can put you back in a proper place in the pipeline.

I will be away until Monday 10 March. So if possible, not before this
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On 02/19/2014 04:32 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On mar, 2014-02-18 at 18:21 +0000, Julien Grall wrote:
>> On 02/18/2014 05:56 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>>> Hello everyone,
> 
>>> Do you think you can give it a go during the week? Having it ready in a
>>> couple of days would be great. We can afford publishing Friday, or even
>>> early next week, but let's at least try, ok? :-)
>>
>> Sorry for the late answer.
>>
>> I will be off for 2 weeks next thursday (citrix connect, holidays,
>> linaro connect) and I would like to clean up and send a couple of patch
>> series before the end of the week.
>> Honestly, except if I don't sleep until friday, I won't be able to write
>> a blog post.
>>
> Well, that is fine, considering that IanJ volunteered (in an off-list
> meeting) to cover up for this week. :-)
> 
> So, Julien, forgive me, but I'm not sure I get it from above... Could
> you tell me what a reasonable date for a blog post from you could be?
> That way, I can put you back in a proper place in the pipeline.

I will be away until Monday 10 March. So if possible, not before this
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On mer, 2014-02-19 at 16:54 +0000, Julien Grall wrote:
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> > That way, I can put you back in a proper place in the pipeline.
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> I will be away until Monday 10 March. So if possible, not before this
> date :).
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Ok, I'll sign you up for right that week. That means you should have the
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Regards,
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> > That way, I can put you back in a proper place in the pipeline.
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> I will be away until Monday 10 March. So if possible, not before this
> date :).
>=20
Ok, I'll sign you up for right that week. That means you should have the
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Dario

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>> On 02/19/2014 04:32 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
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>>> you tell me what a reasonable date for a blog post from you could be?
>>> That way, I can put you back in a proper place in the pipeline.
>>
>> I will be away until Monday 10 March. So if possible, not before this
>> date :).
>>
> Ok, I'll sign you up for right that week. That means you should have the
> post ready for review, ideally, by Wed 12 March.

Thanks, now I know what I will have to do during my 13 hours flight :).

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On 02/19/2014 05:14 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On mer, 2014-02-19 at 16:54 +0000, Julien Grall wrote:
>> On 02/19/2014 04:32 PM, Dario Faggioli wrote:
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>>> you tell me what a reasonable date for a blog post from you could be?
>>> That way, I can put you back in a proper place in the pipeline.
>>
>> I will be away until Monday 10 March. So if possible, not before this
>> date :).
>>
> Ok, I'll sign you up for right that week. That means you should have the
> post ready for review, ideally, by Wed 12 March.

Thanks, now I know what I will have to do during my 13 hours flight :).

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[ Here is a draft blog posting text.  Comments welcome.  I'm editing
  it in plain text here in my editor for now; I'll put it into the
  blog software and linkify it when the structure seems stable. ]

Currently the Xen Project's automatic testing setup[link to a flight
results page?] runs on a small set of hardware in space borrowed from
Citrix.  Because it's on the Citrix network it's not possible to give
access to other community members.  The underlying systems are
creaking rather.  And the system is too small - we already find that
testing is rather too slow.

The Xen Project Test Framework Working Group has agreed to press
forward with a plan to provide a new setup (in a public colo,
probably).  We have a budget for this from the Advisory Board which we
think will be sufficient to provide a bigger and better setup than we
have now.

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inadequate and inaccessible hosting - from the longer-term questions
of how to make more use of Xen community members' existing test
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stick with the existing osstest[link to osstest.git] system long-term,
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We'll consider whether, when and how to make such a transition after
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Currently the Xen Project's automatic testing setup[link to a flight
results page?] runs on a small set of hardware in space borrowed from
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access to other community members.  The underlying systems are
creaking rather.  And the system is too small - we already find that
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probably).  We have a budget for this from the Advisory Board which we
think will be sufficient to provide a bigger and better setup than we
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On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 15:25 +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:
> [ Here is a draft blog posting text.  Comments welcome.  I'm editing
>   it in plain text here in my editor for now; I'll put it into the
>   blog software and linkify it when the structure seems stable. ]
> 
> Currently the Xen Project's automatic testing setup[link to a flight
> results page?]

Those have a tendency to get cleansed and leave dead links, so I took a
copy of one at http://xenbits.xen.org/docs/osstest-output-example/24438/
Some of the larger files have been replaced with the text "Omitted to
save space" but nothing which impacts the structure.

The rest of it looks fine to me, for what that is worth.

Ian.


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On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 15:25 +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:
> [ Here is a draft blog posting text.  Comments welcome.  I'm editing
>   it in plain text here in my editor for now; I'll put it into the
>   blog software and linkify it when the structure seems stable. ]
> 
> Currently the Xen Project's automatic testing setup[link to a flight
> results page?]

Those have a tendency to get cleansed and leave dead links, so I took a
copy of one at http://xenbits.xen.org/docs/osstest-output-example/24438/
Some of the larger files have been replaced with the text "Omitted to
save space" but nothing which impacts the structure.

The rest of it looks fine to me, for what that is worth.

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Ian Campbell writes ("Re: [Publicity] Draft: Xen Project automatic testing on community infrastructure"):
> On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 15:25 +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:
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> > Currently the Xen Project's automatic testing setup[link to a flight
> > results page?]
> 
> Those have a tendency to get cleansed and leave dead links, so I took a
> copy of one at http://xenbits.xen.org/docs/osstest-output-example/24438/
> Some of the larger files have been replaced with the text "Omitted to
> save space" but nothing which impacts the structure.

Oh well done.

> The rest of it looks fine to me, for what that is worth.

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Ian Campbell writes ("Re: [Publicity] Draft: Xen Project automatic testing on community infrastructure"):
> On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 15:25 +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > [ Here is a draft blog posting text.  Comments welcome.  I'm editing
> >   it in plain text here in my editor for now; I'll put it into the
> >   blog software and linkify it when the structure seems stable. ]
> > 
> > Currently the Xen Project's automatic testing setup[link to a flight
> > results page?]
> 
> Those have a tendency to get cleansed and leave dead links, so I took a
> copy of one at http://xenbits.xen.org/docs/osstest-output-example/24438/
> Some of the larger files have been replaced with the text "Omitted to
> save space" but nothing which impacts the structure.

Oh well done.

> The rest of it looks fine to me, for what that is worth.

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On gio, 2014-02-20 at 16:19 +0000, Ian Campbell wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 15:25 +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > [ Here is a draft blog posting text.  Comments welcome.  I'm editing
> >   it in plain text here in my editor for now; I'll put it into the
> >   blog software and linkify it when the structure seems stable. ]
> >=20
> > Currently the Xen Project's automatic testing setup[link to a flight
> > results page?]
>
> The rest of it looks fine to me, for what that is worth.
>=20
It looks good to me too.

We've had a test infra post already, some time ago:
http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2013/09/04/evolving-the-xen-project-test-infr=
astructure/

I'd consider mentioning, or just linking back to there from somewhere,
although I'm 100% sure, as things seem to have changed (or at least
delayed) from what that says. If it were me, I guess I would link to it,
but I'm happy to let you decide. :-)

Blog schedule wise, anytime tomorrow would be a good time.

Feel free to upload and publish it at your ease, or ping me if you think
I need to do something.

Thanks and Regards,
Dario

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On gio, 2014-02-20 at 16:19 +0000, Ian Campbell wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 15:25 +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > [ Here is a draft blog posting text.  Comments welcome.  I'm editing
> >   it in plain text here in my editor for now; I'll put it into the
> >   blog software and linkify it when the structure seems stable. ]
> >=20
> > Currently the Xen Project's automatic testing setup[link to a flight
> > results page?]
>
> The rest of it looks fine to me, for what that is worth.
>=20
It looks good to me too.

We've had a test infra post already, some time ago:
http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2013/09/04/evolving-the-xen-project-test-infr=
astructure/

I'd consider mentioning, or just linking back to there from somewhere,
although I'm 100% sure, as things seem to have changed (or at least
delayed) from what that says. If it were me, I guess I would link to it,
but I'm happy to let you decide. :-)

Blog schedule wise, anytime tomorrow would be a good time.

Feel free to upload and publish it at your ease, or ping me if you think
I need to do something.

Thanks and Regards,
Dario

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Hi Ian,

Just made a few grammar edits inline.

Thanks,


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>wrote:

> [ Here is a draft blog posting text.  Comments welcome.  I'm editing
>   it in plain text here in my editor for now; I'll put it into the
>   blog software and linkify it when the structure seems stable. ]
>
> Currently the Xen Project's automatic testing setup [link to a flight
> results page?] runs on a small set of hardware in space borrowed from
> Citrix.  Because it's on the Citrix network, it's not possible to give
> access to other community members.  The underlying systems are
> creaking rather.  And the system is too small - we already find that
> testing is rather too slow.
>
> The Xen Project Test Framework Working Group has agreed to press
> forward with a plan to provide a new setup (in a public colo,
> probably).  We have a budget for this from the Advisory Board, which we
> believe will be sufficient to provide a bigger and better setup than we
> have now.
>
> We decided to separate this immediately pressing concern - the
> inadequate and inaccessible hosting - from the longer-term questions
> of how to make more use of Xen community members' existing test
> software. In particular, we have deferred the question of whether to
> stick with the existing osstest [link to osstest.git] system long-term,
> or move to another system such as Citrix's XenRT.
>
> We'll consider whether, when and how to make such a transition after
> we sort out our underlying infrastructure.  We will make sure
> that the hardware and facilities we are organising now will be
> suitable for whatever software system we might want to run.
>
> So, our immediate task now is to create a more detailed plan for the
> amount and kind of hardware to acquire and to identify a suitable
> hosting facility.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Ian,<div><br></div><div>Just made a few grammar edits i=
nline.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Ian Jackson=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com" target=
=3D"_blank">Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">[ Here is a draft blog posting text. =A0Comm=
ents welcome. =A0I&#39;m editing<br>
=A0 it in plain text here in my editor for now; I&#39;ll put it into the<br=
>
=A0 blog software and linkify it when the structure seems stable. ]<br>
<br>
Currently the Xen Project&#39;s automatic testing setup [link to a flight<b=
r>
results page?] runs on a small set of hardware in space borrowed from<br>
Citrix. =A0Because it&#39;s on the Citrix network, it&#39;s not possible to=
 give<br>
access to other community members. =A0The underlying systems are<br>
creaking rather. =A0And the system is too small - we already find that<br>
testing is rather too slow.<br>
<br>
The Xen Project Test Framework Working Group has agreed to press<br>
forward with a plan to provide a new setup (in a public colo,<br>
probably). =A0We have a budget for this from the Advisory Board, which we<b=
r>believe will be sufficient to provide a bigger and better setup than we<b=
r>
have now.<br>
<br>
We decided to separate this immediately pressing concern - the<br>
inadequate and inaccessible hosting - from the longer-term questions<br>
of how to make more use of Xen community members&#39; existing test<br>
software. In particular, we have deferred the question of whether to<br>
stick with the existing osstest [link to osstest.git] system long-term,<br>
or move to another system such as Citrix&#39;s XenRT.<br>
<br>
We&#39;ll consider whether, when and how to make such a transition after<br=
>
we sort out our underlying infrastructure. =A0We will make sure<br>
that the hardware and facilities we are organising now will be<br>
suitable for whatever software system we might want to run.<br>
<br>
So, our immediate task now is to create a more detailed plan for the<br>
amount and kind of hardware to acquire and to identify a suitable<br>
hosting facility.<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
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t.org</a><br>
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target=3D"_blank">http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publ=
icity</a><br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR Manager</div><div>The Linux Foundat=
ion<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">sco=
nway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div>
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Hi Ian,

Just made a few grammar edits inline.

Thanks,


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>wrote:

> [ Here is a draft blog posting text.  Comments welcome.  I'm editing
>   it in plain text here in my editor for now; I'll put it into the
>   blog software and linkify it when the structure seems stable. ]
>
> Currently the Xen Project's automatic testing setup [link to a flight
> results page?] runs on a small set of hardware in space borrowed from
> Citrix.  Because it's on the Citrix network, it's not possible to give
> access to other community members.  The underlying systems are
> creaking rather.  And the system is too small - we already find that
> testing is rather too slow.
>
> The Xen Project Test Framework Working Group has agreed to press
> forward with a plan to provide a new setup (in a public colo,
> probably).  We have a budget for this from the Advisory Board, which we
> believe will be sufficient to provide a bigger and better setup than we
> have now.
>
> We decided to separate this immediately pressing concern - the
> inadequate and inaccessible hosting - from the longer-term questions
> of how to make more use of Xen community members' existing test
> software. In particular, we have deferred the question of whether to
> stick with the existing osstest [link to osstest.git] system long-term,
> or move to another system such as Citrix's XenRT.
>
> We'll consider whether, when and how to make such a transition after
> we sort out our underlying infrastructure.  We will make sure
> that the hardware and facilities we are organising now will be
> suitable for whatever software system we might want to run.
>
> So, our immediate task now is to create a more detailed plan for the
> amount and kind of hardware to acquire and to identify a suitable
> hosting facility.
>
> _______________________________________________
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=3D"_blank">Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">[ Here is a draft blog posting text. =A0Comm=
ents welcome. =A0I&#39;m editing<br>
=A0 it in plain text here in my editor for now; I&#39;ll put it into the<br=
>
=A0 blog software and linkify it when the structure seems stable. ]<br>
<br>
Currently the Xen Project&#39;s automatic testing setup [link to a flight<b=
r>
results page?] runs on a small set of hardware in space borrowed from<br>
Citrix. =A0Because it&#39;s on the Citrix network, it&#39;s not possible to=
 give<br>
access to other community members. =A0The underlying systems are<br>
creaking rather. =A0And the system is too small - we already find that<br>
testing is rather too slow.<br>
<br>
The Xen Project Test Framework Working Group has agreed to press<br>
forward with a plan to provide a new setup (in a public colo,<br>
probably). =A0We have a budget for this from the Advisory Board, which we<b=
r>believe will be sufficient to provide a bigger and better setup than we<b=
r>
have now.<br>
<br>
We decided to separate this immediately pressing concern - the<br>
inadequate and inaccessible hosting - from the longer-term questions<br>
of how to make more use of Xen community members&#39; existing test<br>
software. In particular, we have deferred the question of whether to<br>
stick with the existing osstest [link to osstest.git] system long-term,<br>
or move to another system such as Citrix&#39;s XenRT.<br>
<br>
We&#39;ll consider whether, when and how to make such a transition after<br=
>
we sort out our underlying infrastructure. =A0We will make sure<br>
that the hardware and facilities we are organising now will be<br>
suitable for whatever software system we might want to run.<br>
<br>
So, our immediate task now is to create a more detailed plan for the<br>
amount and kind of hardware to acquire and to identify a suitable<br>
hosting facility.<br>
<br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR Manager</div><div>The Linux Foundat=
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Dario Faggioli writes ("Re: [Publicity] Draft: Xen Project automatic testing on community infrastructure"):
> I'd consider mentioning, or just linking back to there from somewhere,
> although I'm 100% sure, as things seem to have changed (or at least
> delayed) from what that says. If it were me, I guess I would link to it,
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I managed to find a thing to make a link to that.

> Blog schedule wise, anytime tomorrow would be a good time.
> 
> Feel free to upload and publish it at your ease, or ping me if you think
> I need to do something.

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Sarah Conway writes ("Re: [Publicity] Draft: Xen Project automatic testing on community infrastructure"):
> Just made a few grammar edits inline.

Thanks.  I used wdiff to see them.  I have added (to the version in
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Sarah Conway writes ("Re: [Publicity] Draft: Xen Project automatic testing on community infrastructure"):
> Just made a few grammar edits inline.

Thanks.  I used wdiff to see them.  I have added (to the version in
wordpress) the commas you suggested, but I preferred my own use of
tenses.  The links you edited the formatting of have been made into
real links.

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Sounds good.

Sarah


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>wrote:

> Sarah Conway writes ("Re: [Publicity] Draft: Xen Project automatic testing
> on community infrastructure"):
> > Just made a few grammar edits inline.
>
> Thanks.  I used wdiff to see them.  I have added (to the version in
> wordpress) the commas you suggested, but I preferred my own use of
> tenses.  The links you edited the formatting of have been made into
> real links.
>
> Thanks,
> Ian.
>



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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sounds good.=A0<div><br></div><div>Sarah=A0</div></div><di=
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2014 at 1:23 PM, Ian Jackson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Ian.Ja=
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Sarah Conway writes (&quot;Re: [Publicity] D=
raft: Xen Project automatic testing on community infrastructure&quot;):<br>

<div class=3D"">&gt; Just made a few grammar edits inline.<br>
<br>
</div>Thanks. =A0I used wdiff to see them. =A0I have added (to the version =
in<br>
wordpress) the commas you suggested, but I preferred my own use of<br>
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<br>
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Ian.<br>
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Sounds good.

Sarah


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> on community infrastructure"):
> > Just made a few grammar edits inline.
>
> Thanks.  I used wdiff to see them.  I have added (to the version in
> wordpress) the commas you suggested, but I preferred my own use of
> tenses.  The links you edited the formatting of have been made into
> real links.
>
> Thanks,
> Ian.
>



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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sounds good.=A0<div><br></div><div>Sarah=A0</div></div><di=
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raft: Xen Project automatic testing on community infrastructure&quot;):<br>

<div class=3D"">&gt; Just made a few grammar edits inline.<br>
<br>
</div>Thanks. =A0I used wdiff to see them. =A0I have added (to the version =
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wordpress) the commas you suggested, but I preferred my own use of<br>
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Sarah,

There haven't been any really big issues since RC4 was tagged on Monday; 
to the plan is to tag RC5 today, and then Monday to branch. At that 
point, RC5 will become Xen 4.4.0 whenever the PR machinery is ready for 
it to be.

I've volunteered to help coordinate the announcement stuff (along with 
Russ) in Lars' absence.  I'll take a look at the release announcement 
this afternoon.  Is there anything else you need from me?

Thanks!

  -George

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Sarah,

There haven't been any really big issues since RC4 was tagged on Monday; 
to the plan is to tag RC5 today, and then Monday to branch. At that 
point, RC5 will become Xen 4.4.0 whenever the PR machinery is ready for 
it to be.

I've volunteered to help coordinate the announcement stuff (along with 
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Lars / Sarah,

Who is the release announcement supposed to be targeting? And about how 
long is an expected release announcement meant to be? It seems awfully 
technical in places.

The main point of the ARM section I think is to demonstrate that our 
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  -George

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>
> There haven't been any really big issues since RC4 was tagged on 
> Monday; to the plan is to tag RC5 today, and then Monday to branch. At 
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> ready for it to be.
>
> I've volunteered to help coordinate the announcement stuff (along with 
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> this afternoon.  Is there anything else you need from me?
>
> Thanks!
>
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Lars / Sarah,

Who is the release announcement supposed to be targeting? And about how 
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The main point of the ARM section I think is to demonstrate that our 
support is growing significantly (hence naming the boards makes sense) 
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is going to have a stable ABI, working user-space tools, &c &c.  People 
who need to know the technical details can then look more into them.

  -George

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> Sarah,
>
> There haven't been any really big issues since RC4 was tagged on 
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> ready for it to be.
>
> I've volunteered to help coordinate the announcement stuff (along with 
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I agree. Stefano had a go at simplifying the ARM section, but it can clearly be simplified more
Lars

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Lars / Sarah,

Who is the release announcement supposed to be targeting? And about how long is an expected release announcement meant to be? It seems awfully technical in places.

The main point of the ARM section I think is to demonstrate that our support is growing significantly (hence naming the boards makes sense) and that this release has stopped being so much of a "tech preview" and is going to have a stable ABI, working user-space tools, &c &c.  People who need to know the technical details can then look more into them.

  -George

On 02/21/2014 12:19 PM, George Dunlap wrote:
> Sarah,
>
> There haven't been any really big issues since RC4 was tagged on 
> Monday; to the plan is to tag RC5 today, and then Monday to branch. At 
> that point, RC5 will become Xen 4.4.0 whenever the PR machinery is 
> ready for it to be.
>
> I've volunteered to help coordinate the announcement stuff (along with
> Russ) in Lars' absence.  I'll take a look at the release announcement 
> this afternoon.  Is there anything else you need from me?
>
> Thanks!
>
>  -George


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I agree. Stefano had a go at simplifying the ARM section, but it can clearly be simplified more
Lars

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Lars / Sarah,

Who is the release announcement supposed to be targeting? And about how long is an expected release announcement meant to be? It seems awfully technical in places.

The main point of the ARM section I think is to demonstrate that our support is growing significantly (hence naming the boards makes sense) and that this release has stopped being so much of a "tech preview" and is going to have a stable ABI, working user-space tools, &c &c.  People who need to know the technical details can then look more into them.

  -George

On 02/21/2014 12:19 PM, George Dunlap wrote:
> Sarah,
>
> There haven't been any really big issues since RC4 was tagged on 
> Monday; to the plan is to tag RC5 today, and then Monday to branch. At 
> that point, RC5 will become Xen 4.4.0 whenever the PR machinery is 
> ready for it to be.
>
> I've volunteered to help coordinate the announcement stuff (along with
> Russ) in Lars' absence.  I'll take a look at the release announcement 
> this afternoon.  Is there anything else you need from me?
>
> Thanks!
>
>  -George


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Hi George et all,

The release is targeted at press covering enterprise technologies and
trends like security, cloud, mobile, big data, infrastructure, app dev.
These could be business-level IT managers and decision-makers making IT
purchases to a range of IT professionals -- sysadmins, datacenter managers,
devops professionals, IT architects, etc. -- solving IT problems. The
publications range from targeting end users to SIs, consultants, etc.

As a next step, I'll reconocile the many edits that have circulated this
week to create an updated draft. I agree that it's highly technical still.
Ideally the release should be about 2 pages long maximum. I'll revise the
ARM section accordingly based on your feedback and remove some additional
technical features in the bullet section. Happy to discuss this live via
the phone too. I've had some guidance on the top 2-3 biggest new features,
but since there are still so many technical details, perhaps a chat would
be useful.

A product release should include the first, best, only features, the pain
point the new features will solve, who will -- or already is -- benefiting
from the newest features (quote from user). We are also using the product
release to demonstrate Xen Project community activity and momentum.

Does this help? I'll also put together a timeline of next steps and what
still needs to happen prior to the PR launch/release date.

Thanks,



On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:04 AM, George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com
> wrote:

> Lars / Sarah,
>
> Who is the release announcement supposed to be targeting? And about how
> long is an expected release announcement meant to be? It seems awfully
> technical in places.
>
> The main point of the ARM section I think is to demonstrate that our
> support is growing significantly (hence naming the boards makes sense) and
> that this release has stopped being so much of a "tech preview" and is
> going to have a stable ABI, working user-space tools, &c &c.  People who
> need to know the technical details can then look more into them.
>
>  -George
>
>
> On 02/21/2014 12:19 PM, George Dunlap wrote:
>
>> Sarah,
>>
>> There haven't been any really big issues since RC4 was tagged on Monday;
>> to the plan is to tag RC5 today, and then Monday to branch. At that point,
>> RC5 will become Xen 4.4.0 whenever the PR machinery is ready for it to be.
>>
>> I've volunteered to help coordinate the announcement stuff (along with
>> Russ) in Lars' absence.  I'll take a look at the release announcement this
>> afternoon.  Is there anything else you need from me?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>  -George
>>
>
>


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vel IT managers and decision-makers making IT purchases to a range of IT pr=
ofessionals -- sysadmins, datacenter managers, devops professionals, IT arc=
hitects, etc. -- solving IT problems. The publications range from targeting=
 end users to SIs, consultants, etc.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>As a next step, I&#39;ll reconocile the many edits that=
 have circulated this week to create an updated draft. I agree that it&#39;=
s highly technical still. Ideally the release should be about 2 pages long =
maximum. I&#39;ll revise the ARM section accordingly based on your feedback=
 and remove some additional technical features in the bullet section. Happy=
 to discuss this live via the phone too. I&#39;ve had some guidance on the =
top 2-3 biggest new features, but since there are still so many technical d=
etails, perhaps a chat would be useful.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>A product release should include the first, best, only =
features, the pain point the new features will solve, who will -- or alread=
y is -- benefiting from the newest features (quote from user). We are also =
using the product release to demonstrate Xen Project community activity and=
 momentum.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>Does this help? I&#39;ll also put together a timeline o=
f next steps and what still needs to happen prior to the PR launch/release =
date.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:04 AM, George=
 Dunlap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com=
" target=3D"_blank">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Lars / Sarah,<br>
<br>
Who is the release announcement supposed to be targeting? And about how lon=
g is an expected release announcement meant to be? It seems awfully technic=
al in places.<br>
<br>
The main point of the ARM section I think is to demonstrate that our suppor=
t is growing significantly (hence naming the boards makes sense) and that t=
his release has stopped being so much of a &quot;tech preview&quot; and is =
going to have a stable ABI, working user-space tools, &amp;c &amp;c. =A0Peo=
ple who need to know the technical details can then look more into them.<sp=
an class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>

<br>
=A0-George</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
On 02/21/2014 12:19 PM, George Dunlap wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Sarah,<br>
<br>
There haven&#39;t been any really big issues since RC4 was tagged on Monday=
; to the plan is to tag RC5 today, and then Monday to branch. At that point=
, RC5 will become Xen 4.4.0 whenever the PR machinery is ready for it to be=
.<br>

<br>
I&#39;ve volunteered to help coordinate the announcement stuff (along with =
Russ) in Lars&#39; absence. =A0I&#39;ll take a look at the release announce=
ment this afternoon. =A0Is there anything else you need from me?<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
=A0-George<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR Manager</div><div>The L=
inux Foundation<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D=
"_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div>
<div>(978) 578-5300 =A0Cell</div><div>Skype: =A0sarah.k.conway</div></div>
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Hi George et all,

The release is targeted at press covering enterprise technologies and
trends like security, cloud, mobile, big data, infrastructure, app dev.
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purchases to a range of IT professionals -- sysadmins, datacenter managers,
devops professionals, IT architects, etc. -- solving IT problems. The
publications range from targeting end users to SIs, consultants, etc.

As a next step, I'll reconocile the many edits that have circulated this
week to create an updated draft. I agree that it's highly technical still.
Ideally the release should be about 2 pages long maximum. I'll revise the
ARM section accordingly based on your feedback and remove some additional
technical features in the bullet section. Happy to discuss this live via
the phone too. I've had some guidance on the top 2-3 biggest new features,
but since there are still so many technical details, perhaps a chat would
be useful.

A product release should include the first, best, only features, the pain
point the new features will solve, who will -- or already is -- benefiting
from the newest features (quote from user). We are also using the product
release to demonstrate Xen Project community activity and momentum.

Does this help? I'll also put together a timeline of next steps and what
still needs to happen prior to the PR launch/release date.

Thanks,



On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:04 AM, George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com
> wrote:

> Lars / Sarah,
>
> Who is the release announcement supposed to be targeting? And about how
> long is an expected release announcement meant to be? It seems awfully
> technical in places.
>
> The main point of the ARM section I think is to demonstrate that our
> support is growing significantly (hence naming the boards makes sense) and
> that this release has stopped being so much of a "tech preview" and is
> going to have a stable ABI, working user-space tools, &c &c.  People who
> need to know the technical details can then look more into them.
>
>  -George
>
>
> On 02/21/2014 12:19 PM, George Dunlap wrote:
>
>> Sarah,
>>
>> There haven't been any really big issues since RC4 was tagged on Monday;
>> to the plan is to tag RC5 today, and then Monday to branch. At that point,
>> RC5 will become Xen 4.4.0 whenever the PR machinery is ready for it to be.
>>
>> I've volunteered to help coordinate the announcement stuff (along with
>> Russ) in Lars' absence.  I'll take a look at the release announcement this
>> afternoon.  Is there anything else you need from me?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>  -George
>>
>
>


-- 
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi George et all,=A0<div><br></div><div>The release is tar=
geted at press covering enterprise technologies and trends like security, c=
loud, mobile, big data, infrastructure, app dev. These could be business-le=
vel IT managers and decision-makers making IT purchases to a range of IT pr=
ofessionals -- sysadmins, datacenter managers, devops professionals, IT arc=
hitects, etc. -- solving IT problems. The publications range from targeting=
 end users to SIs, consultants, etc.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>As a next step, I&#39;ll reconocile the many edits that=
 have circulated this week to create an updated draft. I agree that it&#39;=
s highly technical still. Ideally the release should be about 2 pages long =
maximum. I&#39;ll revise the ARM section accordingly based on your feedback=
 and remove some additional technical features in the bullet section. Happy=
 to discuss this live via the phone too. I&#39;ve had some guidance on the =
top 2-3 biggest new features, but since there are still so many technical d=
etails, perhaps a chat would be useful.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>A product release should include the first, best, only =
features, the pain point the new features will solve, who will -- or alread=
y is -- benefiting from the newest features (quote from user). We are also =
using the product release to demonstrate Xen Project community activity and=
 momentum.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>Does this help? I&#39;ll also put together a timeline o=
f next steps and what still needs to happen prior to the PR launch/release =
date.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:04 AM, George=
 Dunlap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com=
" target=3D"_blank">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Lars / Sarah,<br>
<br>
Who is the release announcement supposed to be targeting? And about how lon=
g is an expected release announcement meant to be? It seems awfully technic=
al in places.<br>
<br>
The main point of the ARM section I think is to demonstrate that our suppor=
t is growing significantly (hence naming the boards makes sense) and that t=
his release has stopped being so much of a &quot;tech preview&quot; and is =
going to have a stable ABI, working user-space tools, &amp;c &amp;c. =A0Peo=
ple who need to know the technical details can then look more into them.<sp=
an class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>

<br>
=A0-George</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
On 02/21/2014 12:19 PM, George Dunlap wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Sarah,<br>
<br>
There haven&#39;t been any really big issues since RC4 was tagged on Monday=
; to the plan is to tag RC5 today, and then Monday to branch. At that point=
, RC5 will become Xen 4.4.0 whenever the PR machinery is ready for it to be=
.<br>

<br>
I&#39;ve volunteered to help coordinate the announcement stuff (along with =
Russ) in Lars&#39; absence. =A0I&#39;ll take a look at the release announce=
ment this afternoon. =A0Is there anything else you need from me?<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
=A0-George<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR Manager</div><div>The L=
inux Foundation<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D=
"_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div>
<div>(978) 578-5300 =A0Cell</div><div>Skype: =A0sarah.k.conway</div></div>
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Hi all,

> This is the first news report(and the only one so far). :)
Congratulations.

I will be on vacation for the next 3 weeks, so I am adding the publicity li=
st (http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity). Note t=
hat blog posts and other PR are be managed through the publicity list and t=
hat the Xen Project will be very happy to promote XenGT and other Intel wor=
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ay want to sign up to receive mails.

Best Regards
Lars

From: Li, Susie [mailto:susie.li@intel.com]
Sent: 23 February 2014 12:17
To: dexuan cui; Lv, Zhiyuan; OTC PRC VGT
Cc: Lars Kurth
Subject: RE: Phoronix news: Intel Makes XenGT For Mediated GPU Passthrough

That's a good suggestion. + Lars, Xen community manager here. thanks -susie

_____________________________________________
From: Cui, Dexuan
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:12 PM
To: Lv, Zhiyuan; OTC PRC VGT
Subject: RE: Phoronix news: Intel Makes XenGT For Mediated GPU Passthrough


This is the first news report(and the only one so far). :)

Kevin, should we copy our blog(https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/2013/graph=
ics-virtualization-xengt) to blog.xen.org to draw more attention?

Thanks,
-- Dexuan


_____________________________________________
From: Lv, Zhiyuan
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:31 AM
To: OTC PRC VGT
Subject: Phoronix news: Intel Makes XenGT For Mediated GPU Passthrough


http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Dnews_item&px=3DMTYxMjI

Thanks!
-Zhiyuan



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t;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">This is the first news report(and the onl=
y one so far).
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D"=
>J</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Congratulations.
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I will be on vacation for=
 the next 3 weeks, so I am adding the publicity list (http://lists.xenproje=
ct.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity). Note that blog
 posts and other PR are be managed through the publicity list and that the =
Xen Project will be very happy to promote XenGT and other Intel work.<o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I added everyone on the C=
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Lars<o:p></o:p></span></p=
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ot;sans-serif&quot;"> Li, Susie [mailto:susie.li@intel.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 February 2014 12:17<br>
<b>To:</b> dexuan cui; Lv, Zhiyuan; OTC PRC VGT<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lars Kurth<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Phoronix news: Intel Makes XenGT For Mediated GPU Passt=
hrough<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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 thanks -susie</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Cali=
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homa&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">________________________________________=
_____<br>
<b>From:</b> Cui, Dexuan <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lv, Zhiyuan; OTC PRC VGT<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Phoronix news: Intel Makes XenGT For Mediated GPU Passt=
hrough</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D">This is the first news report(and the only one so far).
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D"=
>J</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D">Kevin, should we copy our blog(<a href=3D"https://01.org/xen/blogs/srcl=
arkx/2013/graphics-virtualization-xengt">https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/=
2013/graphics-virtualization-xengt</a>)
 to blog.xen.org to draw more attention?</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D">Thanks,</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri=
&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
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<b>From:</b> Lv, Zhiyuan <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OTC PRC VGT<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Phoronix news: Intel Makes XenGT For Mediated GPU Passthrou=
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Hi all,

> This is the first news report(and the only one so far). :)
Congratulations.

I will be on vacation for the next 3 weeks, so I am adding the publicity li=
st (http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity). Note t=
hat blog posts and other PR are be managed through the publicity list and t=
hat the Xen Project will be very happy to promote XenGT and other Intel wor=
k.

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ay want to sign up to receive mails.

Best Regards
Lars

From: Li, Susie [mailto:susie.li@intel.com]
Sent: 23 February 2014 12:17
To: dexuan cui; Lv, Zhiyuan; OTC PRC VGT
Cc: Lars Kurth
Subject: RE: Phoronix news: Intel Makes XenGT For Mediated GPU Passthrough

That's a good suggestion. + Lars, Xen community manager here. thanks -susie

_____________________________________________
From: Cui, Dexuan
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:12 PM
To: Lv, Zhiyuan; OTC PRC VGT
Subject: RE: Phoronix news: Intel Makes XenGT For Mediated GPU Passthrough


This is the first news report(and the only one so far). :)

Kevin, should we copy our blog(https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/2013/graph=
ics-virtualization-xengt) to blog.xen.org to draw more attention?

Thanks,
-- Dexuan


_____________________________________________
From: Lv, Zhiyuan
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:31 AM
To: OTC PRC VGT
Subject: Phoronix news: Intel Makes XenGT For Mediated GPU Passthrough


http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Dnews_item&px=3DMTYxMjI

Thanks!
-Zhiyuan



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t;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">This is the first news report(and the onl=
y one so far).
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D"=
>J</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I will be on vacation for=
 the next 3 weeks, so I am adding the publicity list (http://lists.xenproje=
ct.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity). Note that blog
 posts and other PR are be managed through the publicity list and that the =
Xen Project will be very happy to promote XenGT and other Intel work.<o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I added everyone on the C=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Lars<o:p></o:p></span></p=
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ot;sans-serif&quot;"> Li, Susie [mailto:susie.li@intel.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 February 2014 12:17<br>
<b>To:</b> dexuan cui; Lv, Zhiyuan; OTC PRC VGT<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lars Kurth<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Phoronix news: Intel Makes XenGT For Mediated GPU Passt=
hrough<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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 thanks -susie</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Cali=
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homa&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">________________________________________=
_____<br>
<b>From:</b> Cui, Dexuan <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lv, Zhiyuan; OTC PRC VGT<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Phoronix news: Intel Makes XenGT For Mediated GPU Passt=
hrough</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F49=
7D">This is the first news report(and the only one so far).
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D"=
>J</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&q=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify"><span style=3D"font-siz=
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arkx/2013/graphics-virtualization-xengt">https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/=
2013/graphics-virtualization-xengt</a>)
 to blog.xen.org to draw more attention?</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
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Sarah,

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Yes, in fact that is preferred. Planning to send out a revised release with
a timeline of next steps.

Thanks,

Sarah


On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com
> wrote:

> Sarah,
>
> We've just found a couple of bugs in the RC5.  What's the situation re the
> press release?  I haven't heard from you, so I assume that we haven't hit
> the point of no return yet -- if we needed to delay the release for another
> week, we could?
>
> Thanks,
>  -George
>



-- 
Sarah Conway
PR Manager
The Linux Foundation
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r><div><br></div><div>Sarah=A0</div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, George Dunlap =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target=
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Sarah,<br>
<br>
We&#39;ve just found a couple of bugs in the RC5. =A0What&#39;s the situati=
on re the press release? =A0I haven&#39;t heard from you, so I assume that =
we haven&#39;t hit the point of no return yet -- if we needed to delay the =
release for another week, we could?<br>

<br>
Thanks,<br>
=A0-George<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR Manager</div><div>The Linux Foundat=
ion<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">sco=
nway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div>
<div>(978) 578-5300 =A0Cell</div><div>Skype: =A0sarah.k.conway</div></div>
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Yes, in fact that is preferred. Planning to send out a revised release with
a timeline of next steps.

Thanks,

Sarah


On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com
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> Sarah,
>
> We've just found a couple of bugs in the RC5.  What's the situation re the
> press release?  I haven't heard from you, so I assume that we haven't hit
> the point of no return yet -- if we needed to delay the release for another
> week, we could?
>
> Thanks,
>  -George
>



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OK, cool.  As it happens, I don't think we need to delay anything on our 
side; and as we've branched, development isn't being held up -- so no rush.

Just to understand the general process, my understanding was:
1. Development and release preparation happen in parallel
2. Developers determine that a release is ready
3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible 
press release process
4. The release happens on the specified date

Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to happen at 
the specified date no matter what.  Which means that, we need to make 
sure that there is a coordination between us to make sure that #3 
doesn't happen until #2 happens. :-)

At the moment, we're good to go on our side -- but before you actually 
start #3, it would be good to touch base with us to make sure we haven't 
changed our minds again.

Is that about right?

  -George

On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
> Yes, in fact that is preferred. Planning to send out a revised release 
> with a timeline of next steps.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sarah
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, George Dunlap 
> <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com <mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>> wrote:
>
>     Sarah,
>
>     We've just found a couple of bugs in the RC5.  What's the
>     situation re the press release?  I haven't heard from you, so I
>     assume that we haven't hit the point of no return yet -- if we
>     needed to delay the release for another week, we could?
>
>     Thanks,
>      -George
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Sarah Conway
> PR Manager
> The Linux Foundation
> sconway@linuxfoundation.org <mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org>
> (978) 578-5300  Cell
> Skype:  sarah.k.conway


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">OK, cool.&nbsp; As it happens, I don't think
      we need to delay anything on our side; and as we've branched,
      development isn't being held up -- so no rush.<br>
      <br>
      Just to understand the general process, my understanding was:<br>
      1. Development and release preparation happen in parallel<br>
      2. Developers determine that a release is ready<br>
      3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the
      irreversible press release process<br>
      4. The release happens on the specified date<br>
      <br>
      Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to
      happen at the specified date no matter what.&nbsp; Which means that, we
      need to make sure that there is a coordination between us to make
      sure that #3 doesn't happen until #2 happens. :-)<br>
      <br>
      At the moment, we're good to go on our side -- but before you
      actually start #3, it would be good to touch base with us to make
      sure we haven't changed our minds again. <br>
      <br>
      Is that about right?<br>
      <br>
      &nbsp;-George<br>
      <br>
      On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
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        <div>Thanks,<br>
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            Sarah,<br>
            <br>
            We've just found a couple of bugs in the RC5. &nbsp;What's the
            situation re the press release? &nbsp;I haven't heard from you,
            so I assume that we haven't hit the point of no return yet
            -- if we needed to delay the release for another week, we
            could?<br>
            <br>
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            &nbsp;-George<br>
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OK, cool.  As it happens, I don't think we need to delay anything on our 
side; and as we've branched, development isn't being held up -- so no rush.

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press release process
4. The release happens on the specified date

Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to happen at 
the specified date no matter what.  Which means that, we need to make 
sure that there is a coordination between us to make sure that #3 
doesn't happen until #2 happens. :-)

At the moment, we're good to go on our side -- but before you actually 
start #3, it would be good to touch base with us to make sure we haven't 
changed our minds again.

Is that about right?

  -George

On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
> Yes, in fact that is preferred. Planning to send out a revised release 
> with a timeline of next steps.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sarah
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, George Dunlap 
> <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com <mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>> wrote:
>
>     Sarah,
>
>     We've just found a couple of bugs in the RC5.  What's the
>     situation re the press release?  I haven't heard from you, so I
>     assume that we haven't hit the point of no return yet -- if we
>     needed to delay the release for another week, we could?
>
>     Thanks,
>      -George
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Sarah Conway
> PR Manager
> The Linux Foundation
> sconway@linuxfoundation.org <mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org>
> (978) 578-5300  Cell
> Skype:  sarah.k.conway


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      we need to delay anything on our side; and as we've branched,
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      <br>
      Just to understand the general process, my understanding was:<br>
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      2. Developers determine that a release is ready<br>
      3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the
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      4. The release happens on the specified date<br>
      <br>
      Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to
      happen at the specified date no matter what.&nbsp; Which means that, we
      need to make sure that there is a coordination between us to make
      sure that #3 doesn't happen until #2 happens. :-)<br>
      <br>
      At the moment, we're good to go on our side -- but before you
      actually start #3, it would be good to touch base with us to make
      sure we haven't changed our minds again. <br>
      <br>
      Is that about right?<br>
      <br>
      &nbsp;-George<br>
      <br>
      On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
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        <div><br>
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        <div>Thanks,<br>
          <div><br>
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          <div>Sarah&nbsp;</div>
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              href="mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target="_blank">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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            Sarah,<br>
            <br>
            We've just found a couple of bugs in the RC5. &nbsp;What's the
            situation re the press release? &nbsp;I haven't heard from you,
            so I assume that we haven't hit the point of no return yet
            -- if we needed to delay the release for another week, we
            could?<br>
            <br>
            Thanks,<br>
            &nbsp;-George<br>
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        -- <br>
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          <div>PR Manager</div>
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            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target="_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div>
          <div>(978) 578-5300 &nbsp;Cell</div>
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> 3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible pres=
s release process
It's not exactly like this.
Typically we would agree a date for pre-briefing journalists and the releas=
e going to the wire (it's like an aggregator for journalists)
When that date has passed (probably in reality a day before with time-zone =
issues), there cannot be a change.
Ideally, you don't want to have to re-schedule press briefings with journal=
ists either.

Regards
Lars

From: George Dunlap [mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com]
Sent: 24 February 2014 18:31
To: Sarah Conway
Cc: Russell Pavlicek; Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org
Subject: Re: Release

OK, cool.  As it happens, I don't think we need to delay anything on our si=
de; and as we've branched, development isn't being held up -- so no rush.

Just to understand the general process, my understanding was:
1. Development and release preparation happen in parallel
2. Developers determine that a release is ready
3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible press =
release process
4. The release happens on the specified date

Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to happen at the=
 specified date no matter what.  Which means that, we need to make sure tha=
t there is a coordination between us to make sure that #3 doesn't happen un=
til #2 happens. :-)

At the moment, we're good to go on our side -- but before you actually star=
t #3, it would be good to touch base with us to make sure we haven't change=
d our minds again.

Is that about right?

 -George

On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
Yes, in fact that is preferred. Planning to send out a revised release with=
 a timeline of next steps.

Thanks,

Sarah

On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.co=
m<mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>> wrote:
Sarah,

We've just found a couple of bugs in the RC5.  What's the situation re the =
press release?  I haven't heard from you, so I assume that we haven't hit t=
he point of no return yet -- if we needed to delay the release for another =
week, we could?

Thanks,
 -George



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PR Manager
The Linux Foundation
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<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 24 February 2014 18:31<br>
<b>To:</b> Sarah Conway<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">OK, cool.&nbsp; As it happens, I don't think we need=
 to delay anything on our side; and as we've branched, development isn't be=
ing held up -- so no rush.<br>
<br>
Just to understand the general process, my understanding was:<br>
1. Development and release preparation happen in parallel<br>
2. Developers determine that a release is ready<br>
3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible press =
release process<br>
4. The release happens on the specified date<br>
<br>
Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to happen at the=
 specified date no matter what.&nbsp; Which means that, we need to make sur=
e that there is a coordination between us to make sure that #3 doesn't happ=
en until #2 happens. :-)<br>
<br>
At the moment, we're good to go on our side -- but before you actually star=
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d our minds again.
<br>
<br>
Is that about right?<br>
<br>
&nbsp;-George<br>
<br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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lap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sarah,<br>
<br>
We've just found a couple of bugs in the RC5. &nbsp;What's the situation re=
 the press release? &nbsp;I haven't heard from you, so I assume that we hav=
en't hit the point of no return yet -- if we needed to delay the release fo=
r another week, we could?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
&nbsp;-George<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">PR Manager<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The Linux Foundation<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">sconway@li=
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> 3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible pres=
s release process
It's not exactly like this.
Typically we would agree a date for pre-briefing journalists and the releas=
e going to the wire (it's like an aggregator for journalists)
When that date has passed (probably in reality a day before with time-zone =
issues), there cannot be a change.
Ideally, you don't want to have to re-schedule press briefings with journal=
ists either.

Regards
Lars

From: George Dunlap [mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com]
Sent: 24 February 2014 18:31
To: Sarah Conway
Cc: Russell Pavlicek; Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org
Subject: Re: Release

OK, cool.  As it happens, I don't think we need to delay anything on our si=
de; and as we've branched, development isn't being held up -- so no rush.

Just to understand the general process, my understanding was:
1. Development and release preparation happen in parallel
2. Developers determine that a release is ready
3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible press =
release process
4. The release happens on the specified date

Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to happen at the=
 specified date no matter what.  Which means that, we need to make sure tha=
t there is a coordination between us to make sure that #3 doesn't happen un=
til #2 happens. :-)

At the moment, we're good to go on our side -- but before you actually star=
t #3, it would be good to touch base with us to make sure we haven't change=
d our minds again.

Is that about right?

 -George

On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
Yes, in fact that is preferred. Planning to send out a revised release with=
 a timeline of next steps.

Thanks,

Sarah

On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.co=
m<mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>> wrote:
Sarah,

We've just found a couple of bugs in the RC5.  What's the situation re the =
press release?  I haven't heard from you, so I assume that we haven't hit t=
he point of no return yet -- if we needed to delay the release for another =
week, we could?

Thanks,
 -George



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to:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 24 February 2014 18:31<br>
<b>To:</b> Sarah Conway<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Russell Pavlicek; Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Release<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">OK, cool.&nbsp; As it happens, I don't think we need=
 to delay anything on our side; and as we've branched, development isn't be=
ing held up -- so no rush.<br>
<br>
Just to understand the general process, my understanding was:<br>
1. Development and release preparation happen in parallel<br>
2. Developers determine that a release is ready<br>
3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible press =
release process<br>
4. The release happens on the specified date<br>
<br>
Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to happen at the=
 specified date no matter what.&nbsp; Which means that, we need to make sur=
e that there is a coordination between us to make sure that #3 doesn't happ=
en until #2 happens. :-)<br>
<br>
At the moment, we're good to go on our side -- but before you actually star=
t #3, it would be good to touch base with us to make sure we haven't change=
d our minds again.
<br>
<br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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lap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sarah,<br>
<br>
We've just found a couple of bugs in the RC5. &nbsp;What's the situation re=
 the press release? &nbsp;I haven't heard from you, so I assume that we hav=
en't hit the point of no return yet -- if we needed to delay the release fo=
r another week, we could?<br>
<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sarah Conway<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">PR Manager<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The Linux Foundation<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">sconway@li=
nuxfoundation.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">(978) 578-5300 &nbsp;Cell<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Skype: &nbsp;sarah.k.conway<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi George and Lars,

Given where we're at with steps 1 &2 now, I wanted to propose next
Thursday, March 6th as our release date.

With this date in mind, here's what our timeline looks like for the next 2
weeks:

Today, 2/24 - LF to send latest rev to AB one more time, ask for all final
edits back by Wed., Feb. 26, LF to also send release to Oracle for
review/approval on their quote. Please note, I'm not sure how long Oracle's
approval will take. This might push out the release date. I'm waiting for
feedback from Oracle on this.

Thurs.-Fri. 2/27- 2/28 - LF to start pitching reporters news under embargo
for interviews.

Mon.-Wed., 3/3-3/5 - LF to continue pitching, Xen Project participate in
any media interviews (could be live via phone or email requests)
Xen Project team prepares technical blog to accompany news release

Thurs., 3/6 - LF issues news release over Marketwire service, continues
pitching, posts to all social channels
Xen Project publishes blog

Please let me know if this seems to work on your end. I'll keep you posted
on what I hear from Oracle.

Feel free to email if there are more questions.

Thanks,

On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com> wrote:

>  > 3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible
> press release process
>
> It's not exactly like this.
>
> Typically we would agree a date for pre-briefing journalists and the
> release going to the wire (it's like an aggregator for journalists)
>
> When that date has passed (probably in reality a day before with time-zone
> issues), there cannot be a change.
>
> Ideally, you don't want to have to re-schedule press briefings with
> journalists either.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Lars
>
>
>
> *From:* George Dunlap [mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com]
> *Sent:* 24 February 2014 18:31
> *To:* Sarah Conway
> *Cc:* Russell Pavlicek; Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org
> *Subject:* Re: Release
>
>
>
> OK, cool.  As it happens, I don't think we need to delay anything on our
> side; and as we've branched, development isn't being held up -- so no rush.
>
> Just to understand the general process, my understanding was:
> 1. Development and release preparation happen in parallel
> 2. Developers determine that a release is ready
> 3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible press
> release process
> 4. The release happens on the specified date
>
> Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to happen at
> the specified date no matter what.  Which means that, we need to make sure
> that there is a coordination between us to make sure that #3 doesn't happen
> until #2 happens. :-)
>
> At the moment, we're good to go on our side -- but before you actually
> start #3, it would be good to touch base with us to make sure we haven't
> changed our minds again.
>
> Is that about right?
>
>  -George
>
> On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>
>  Yes, in fact that is preferred. Planning to send out a revised release
> with a timeline of next steps.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Sarah
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, George Dunlap <
> george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
>
> Sarah,
>
> We've just found a couple of bugs in the RC5.  What's the situation re the
> press release?  I haven't heard from you, so I assume that we haven't hit
> the point of no return yet -- if we needed to delay the release for another
> week, we could?
>
> Thanks,
>  -George
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sarah Conway
>
> PR Manager
>
> The Linux Foundation
> sconway@linuxfoundation.org
>
> (978) 578-5300  Cell
>
> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>
>
>



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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi George and Lars,&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Gi=
ven where we&#39;re at with steps 1 &amp;2 now, I wanted to propose next Th=
ursday, March 6th as our release date.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>With =
this date in mind, here&#39;s what our timeline looks like for the next 2 w=
eeks:</div>
<div><br></div><div>Today, 2/24 - LF to send latest rev to AB one more time=
, ask for all final edits back by Wed., Feb. 26, LF to also send release to=
 Oracle for review/approval on their quote. Please note, I&#39;m not sure h=
ow long Oracle&#39;s approval will take. This might push out the release da=
te. I&#39;m waiting for feedback from Oracle on this.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thurs.-Fri. 2/27- 2/28 - LF to start pitching reporters=
 news under embargo for interviews.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Mon.-Wed., 3/3-3/5 - LF to continue pitching,=
 Xen Project participate in any media interviews (could be live via phone o=
r email requests)</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">Xen Project team prepares technical blog to acco=
mpany news release</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_extra">Thurs., 3/6 - LF issues news release over Marketwire service, =
continues pitching, posts to all social channels</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">Xen Project publishes blog&nbsp;</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Please let me know if=
 this seems to work on your end. I&#39;ll keep you posted on what I hear fr=
om Oracle.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Feel free t=
o email if there are more questions.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Thanks,<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On=
 Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Lars Kurth <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:lars.kurth@citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">lars.kurth@citrix.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div bgcolor=3D"white" lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div><div class=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&gt;
</span>3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible=
 press release process<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It&rsquo;s not exactly like this. <u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Typically we would agree a date for pre-briefing jou=
rnalists and the release going to the wire (it&rsquo;s like an aggregator f=
or journalists)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">When that date has passed (probably in reality a day=
 before with time-zone issues), there cannot be a change.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ideally, you don&rsquo;t want to have to re-schedule=
 press briefings with journalists either.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Lars<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">From:=
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"> George Dunlap [mail=
to:<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">george.=
dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 24 February 2014 18:31<br>
<b>To:</b> Sarah Conway<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Russell Pavlicek; Lars Kurth; <a href=3D"mailto:publicity@lists.=
xenproject.org" target=3D"_blank">publicity@lists.xenproject.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Release<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">OK, cool.&nbsp; As it happens, I don&#39;t think we =
need to delay anything on our side; and as we&#39;ve branched, development =
isn&#39;t being held up -- so no rush.<br>
<br>
Just to understand the general process, my understanding was:<br>
1. Development and release preparation happen in parallel<br>
2. Developers determine that a release is ready<br>
3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible press =
release process<br>
4. The release happens on the specified date<br>
<br>
Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to happen at the=
 specified date no matter what.&nbsp; Which means that, we need to make sur=
e that there is a coordination between us to make sure that #3 doesn&#39;t =
happen until #2 happens. :-)<br>

<br>
At the moment, we&#39;re good to go on our side -- but before you actually =
start #3, it would be good to touch base with us to make sure we haven&#39;=
t changed our minds again.
<br>
<br>
Is that about right?<br>
<br>
&nbsp;-George<br>
<br>
On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes, in fact that is preferred. Planning to send out=
 a revised release with a timeline of next steps.&nbsp;
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sarah&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u><=
/p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, George Dunlap &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">george.dun=
lap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sarah,<br>
<br>
We&#39;ve just found a couple of bugs in the RC5. &nbsp;What&#39;s the situ=
ation re the press release? &nbsp;I haven&#39;t heard from you, so I assume=
 that we haven&#39;t hit the point of no return yet -- if we needed to dela=
y the release for another week, we could?<br>

<br>
Thanks,<br>
&nbsp;-George<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br clear=3D"all">
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sarah Conway<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">PR Manager<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The Linux Foundation<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">sconway@li=
nuxfoundation.org</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"tel:%28978%29%20578-5300" value=3D"+19785=
785300" target=3D"_blank">(978) 578-5300</a> &nbsp;Cell<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Skype: &nbsp;sarah.k.conway<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div></div></div>
</div>

</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR Manager</div><div>The Linux Foundat=
ion<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">sco=
nway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div>
<div>(978) 578-5300 &nbsp;Cell</div><div>Skype: &nbsp;sarah.k.conway</div><=
/div>
</div></div>

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Hi George and Lars,

Given where we're at with steps 1 &2 now, I wanted to propose next
Thursday, March 6th as our release date.

With this date in mind, here's what our timeline looks like for the next 2
weeks:

Today, 2/24 - LF to send latest rev to AB one more time, ask for all final
edits back by Wed., Feb. 26, LF to also send release to Oracle for
review/approval on their quote. Please note, I'm not sure how long Oracle's
approval will take. This might push out the release date. I'm waiting for
feedback from Oracle on this.

Thurs.-Fri. 2/27- 2/28 - LF to start pitching reporters news under embargo
for interviews.

Mon.-Wed., 3/3-3/5 - LF to continue pitching, Xen Project participate in
any media interviews (could be live via phone or email requests)
Xen Project team prepares technical blog to accompany news release

Thurs., 3/6 - LF issues news release over Marketwire service, continues
pitching, posts to all social channels
Xen Project publishes blog

Please let me know if this seems to work on your end. I'll keep you posted
on what I hear from Oracle.

Feel free to email if there are more questions.

Thanks,

On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com> wrote:

>  > 3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible
> press release process
>
> It's not exactly like this.
>
> Typically we would agree a date for pre-briefing journalists and the
> release going to the wire (it's like an aggregator for journalists)
>
> When that date has passed (probably in reality a day before with time-zone
> issues), there cannot be a change.
>
> Ideally, you don't want to have to re-schedule press briefings with
> journalists either.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Lars
>
>
>
> *From:* George Dunlap [mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com]
> *Sent:* 24 February 2014 18:31
> *To:* Sarah Conway
> *Cc:* Russell Pavlicek; Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org
> *Subject:* Re: Release
>
>
>
> OK, cool.  As it happens, I don't think we need to delay anything on our
> side; and as we've branched, development isn't being held up -- so no rush.
>
> Just to understand the general process, my understanding was:
> 1. Development and release preparation happen in parallel
> 2. Developers determine that a release is ready
> 3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible press
> release process
> 4. The release happens on the specified date
>
> Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to happen at
> the specified date no matter what.  Which means that, we need to make sure
> that there is a coordination between us to make sure that #3 doesn't happen
> until #2 happens. :-)
>
> At the moment, we're good to go on our side -- but before you actually
> start #3, it would be good to touch base with us to make sure we haven't
> changed our minds again.
>
> Is that about right?
>
>  -George
>
> On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>
>  Yes, in fact that is preferred. Planning to send out a revised release
> with a timeline of next steps.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Sarah
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, George Dunlap <
> george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
>
> Sarah,
>
> We've just found a couple of bugs in the RC5.  What's the situation re the
> press release?  I haven't heard from you, so I assume that we haven't hit
> the point of no return yet -- if we needed to delay the release for another
> week, we could?
>
> Thanks,
>  -George
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sarah Conway
>
> PR Manager
>
> The Linux Foundation
> sconway@linuxfoundation.org
>
> (978) 578-5300  Cell
>
> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>
>
>



-- 
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The Linux Foundation
sconway@linuxfoundation.org
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi George and Lars,&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Gi=
ven where we&#39;re at with steps 1 &amp;2 now, I wanted to propose next Th=
ursday, March 6th as our release date.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>With =
this date in mind, here&#39;s what our timeline looks like for the next 2 w=
eeks:</div>
<div><br></div><div>Today, 2/24 - LF to send latest rev to AB one more time=
, ask for all final edits back by Wed., Feb. 26, LF to also send release to=
 Oracle for review/approval on their quote. Please note, I&#39;m not sure h=
ow long Oracle&#39;s approval will take. This might push out the release da=
te. I&#39;m waiting for feedback from Oracle on this.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thurs.-Fri. 2/27- 2/28 - LF to start pitching reporters=
 news under embargo for interviews.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Mon.-Wed., 3/3-3/5 - LF to continue pitching,=
 Xen Project participate in any media interviews (could be live via phone o=
r email requests)</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">Xen Project team prepares technical blog to acco=
mpany news release</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_extra">Thurs., 3/6 - LF issues news release over Marketwire service, =
continues pitching, posts to all social channels</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">Xen Project publishes blog&nbsp;</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Please let me know if=
 this seems to work on your end. I&#39;ll keep you posted on what I hear fr=
om Oracle.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Feel free t=
o email if there are more questions.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Thanks,<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On=
 Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Lars Kurth <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:lars.kurth@citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">lars.kurth@citrix.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div bgcolor=3D"white" lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div><div class=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&gt;
</span>3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible=
 press release process<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It&rsquo;s not exactly like this. <u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Typically we would agree a date for pre-briefing jou=
rnalists and the release going to the wire (it&rsquo;s like an aggregator f=
or journalists)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">When that date has passed (probably in reality a day=
 before with time-zone issues), there cannot be a change.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ideally, you don&rsquo;t want to have to re-schedule=
 press briefings with journalists either.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Lars<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">From:=
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"> George Dunlap [mail=
to:<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">george.=
dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 24 February 2014 18:31<br>
<b>To:</b> Sarah Conway<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Russell Pavlicek; Lars Kurth; <a href=3D"mailto:publicity@lists.=
xenproject.org" target=3D"_blank">publicity@lists.xenproject.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Release<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">OK, cool.&nbsp; As it happens, I don&#39;t think we =
need to delay anything on our side; and as we&#39;ve branched, development =
isn&#39;t being held up -- so no rush.<br>
<br>
Just to understand the general process, my understanding was:<br>
1. Development and release preparation happen in parallel<br>
2. Developers determine that a release is ready<br>
3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible press =
release process<br>
4. The release happens on the specified date<br>
<br>
Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to happen at the=
 specified date no matter what.&nbsp; Which means that, we need to make sur=
e that there is a coordination between us to make sure that #3 doesn&#39;t =
happen until #2 happens. :-)<br>

<br>
At the moment, we&#39;re good to go on our side -- but before you actually =
start #3, it would be good to touch base with us to make sure we haven&#39;=
t changed our minds again.
<br>
<br>
Is that about right?<br>
<br>
&nbsp;-George<br>
<br>
On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes, in fact that is preferred. Planning to send out=
 a revised release with a timeline of next steps.&nbsp;
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sarah&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u><=
/p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, George Dunlap &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">george.dun=
lap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sarah,<br>
<br>
We&#39;ve just found a couple of bugs in the RC5. &nbsp;What&#39;s the situ=
ation re the press release? &nbsp;I haven&#39;t heard from you, so I assume=
 that we haven&#39;t hit the point of no return yet -- if we needed to dela=
y the release for another week, we could?<br>

<br>
Thanks,<br>
&nbsp;-George<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br clear=3D"all">
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sarah Conway<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">PR Manager<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The Linux Foundation<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">sconway@li=
nuxfoundation.org</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"tel:%28978%29%20578-5300" value=3D"+19785=
785300" target=3D"_blank">(978) 578-5300</a> &nbsp;Cell<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Skype: &nbsp;sarah.k.conway<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div></div></div>
</div>

</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR Manager</div><div>The Linux Foundat=
ion<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">sco=
nway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div>
<div>(978) 578-5300 &nbsp;Cell</div><div>Skype: &nbsp;sarah.k.conway</div><=
/div>
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 > Given where we're at with steps 1 &2 now, I wanted to propose next 
Thursday, March 6th as our release date.
Timeline makes sense. You may want to give the AB an extra day

Regards
Lars

On 24/02/2014 18:50, Sarah Conway wrote:
> Hi George and Lars,
>
> Given where we're at with steps 1 &2 now, I wanted to propose next 
> Thursday, March 6th as our release date.
>
> With this date in mind, here's what our timeline looks like for the 
> next 2 weeks:
>
> Today, 2/24 - LF to send latest rev to AB one more time, ask for all 
> final edits back by Wed., Feb. 26, LF to also send release to Oracle 
> for review/approval on their quote. Please note, I'm not sure how long 
> Oracle's approval will take. This might push out the release date. I'm 
> waiting for feedback from Oracle on this.
>
> Thurs.-Fri. 2/27- 2/28 - LF to start pitching reporters news under 
> embargo for interviews.
>
> Mon.-Wed., 3/3-3/5 - LF to continue pitching, Xen Project participate 
> in any media interviews (could be live via phone or email requests)
> Xen Project team prepares technical blog to accompany news release
>
> Thurs., 3/6 - LF issues news release over Marketwire service, 
> continues pitching, posts to all social channels
> Xen Project publishes blog
>
> Please let me know if this seems to work on your end. I'll keep you 
> posted on what I hear from Oracle.
>
> Feel free to email if there are more questions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com 
> <mailto:lars.kurth@citrix.com>> wrote:
>
>     > 3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the
>     irreversible press release process
>
>     It's not exactly like this.
>
>     Typically we would agree a date for pre-briefing journalists and
>     the release going to the wire (it's like an aggregator for
>     journalists)
>
>     When that date has passed (probably in reality a day before with
>     time-zone issues), there cannot be a change.
>
>     Ideally, you don't want to have to re-schedule press briefings
>     with journalists either.
>
>     Regards
>
>     Lars
>
>     *From:*George Dunlap [mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com
>     <mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>]
>     *Sent:* 24 February 2014 18:31
>     *To:* Sarah Conway
>     *Cc:* Russell Pavlicek; Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org
>     <mailto:publicity@lists.xenproject.org>
>     *Subject:* Re: Release
>
>     OK, cool.  As it happens, I don't think we need to delay anything
>     on our side; and as we've branched, development isn't being held
>     up -- so no rush.
>
>     Just to understand the general process, my understanding was:
>     1. Development and release preparation happen in parallel
>     2. Developers determine that a release is ready
>     3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the
>     irreversible press release process
>     4. The release happens on the specified date
>
>     Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to
>     happen at the specified date no matter what.  Which means that, we
>     need to make sure that there is a coordination between us to make
>     sure that #3 doesn't happen until #2 happens. :-)
>
>     At the moment, we're good to go on our side -- but before you
>     actually start #3, it would be good to touch base with us to make
>     sure we haven't changed our minds again.
>
>     Is that about right?
>
>      -George
>
>     On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>
>         Yes, in fact that is preferred. Planning to send out a revised
>         release with a timeline of next steps.
>
>         Thanks,
>
>         Sarah
>
>         On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, George Dunlap
>         <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com
>         <mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>> wrote:
>
>         Sarah,
>
>         We've just found a couple of bugs in the RC5.  What's the
>         situation re the press release?  I haven't heard from you, so
>         I assume that we haven't hit the point of no return yet -- if
>         we needed to delay the release for another week, we could?
>
>         Thanks,
>          -George
>
>
>
>         -- 
>
>         Sarah Conway
>
>         PR Manager
>
>         The Linux Foundation
>         sconway@linuxfoundation.org <mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org>
>
>         (978) 578-5300 <tel:%28978%29%20578-5300>  Cell
>
>         Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Sarah Conway
> PR Manager
> The Linux Foundation
> sconway@linuxfoundation.org <mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org>
> (978) 578-5300  Cell
> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">&gt; Given where we're at with steps 1
      &amp;2 now, I wanted to propose next Thursday, March 6th as our
      release date. <br>
      Timeline makes sense. You may want to give the AB an extra day<br>
      <br>
      Regards<br>
      Lars<br>
      <br>
      On 24/02/2014 18:50, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAFm1QiD6_A3qvvGVJTnAbCT1EqJBFKqosq9KW3HP7KeW3GrXAQ@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>Hi George and Lars,&nbsp;</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Given where we're at with steps 1 &amp;2 now, I wanted to
          propose next Thursday, March 6th as our release date.&nbsp;</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>With this date in mind, here's what our timeline looks like
          for the next 2 weeks:</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Today, 2/24 - LF to send latest rev to AB one more time,
          ask for all final edits back by Wed., Feb. 26, LF to also send
          release to Oracle for review/approval on their quote. Please
          note, I'm not sure how long Oracle's approval will take. This
          might push out the release date. I'm waiting for feedback from
          Oracle on this.&nbsp;</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Thurs.-Fri. 2/27- 2/28 - LF to start pitching reporters
          news under embargo for interviews.</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Mon.-Wed., 3/3-3/5 - LF to continue
          pitching, Xen Project participate in any media interviews
          (could be live via phone or email requests)</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Xen Project team prepares technical
          blog to accompany news release</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Thurs., 3/6 - LF issues news release
          over Marketwire service, continues pitching, posts to all
          social channels</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Xen Project publishes blog&nbsp;</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Please let me know if this seems to
          work on your end. I'll keep you posted on what I hear from
          Oracle.&nbsp;</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Feel free to email if there are more
          questions.</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Thanks,<br>
          <br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Lars
            Kurth <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:lars.kurth@citrix.com" target="_blank">lars.kurth@citrix.com</a>&gt;</span>
            wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
              <div bgcolor="white" link="blue" vlink="purple"
                lang="EN-GB">
                <div>
                  <div class="">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&gt;
                      </span>3. LF specifies an official release date
                      and begins the irreversible press release process</p>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">It&#8217;s not exactly like this. </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Typically we would agree a date
                    for pre-briefing journalists and the release going
                    to the wire (it&#8217;s like an aggregator for
                    journalists)</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">When that date has passed
                    (probably in reality a day before with time-zone
                    issues), there cannot be a change.
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Ideally, you don&#8217;t want to have
                    to re-schedule press briefings with journalists
                    either.</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Regards</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Lars</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span></p>
                  <div>
                    <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df
                      1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"
                            lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"
                          lang="EN-US"> George Dunlap [mailto:<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com"
                            target="_blank">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>]
                          <br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> 24 February 2014 18:31<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Sarah Conway<br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> Russell Pavlicek; Lars Kurth; <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:publicity@lists.xenproject.org"
                            target="_blank">publicity@lists.xenproject.org</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: Release</span></p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div class="h5">
                      <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">OK, cool.&nbsp; As it happens, I
                          don't think we need to delay anything on our
                          side; and as we've branched, development isn't
                          being held up -- so no rush.<br>
                          <br>
                          Just to understand the general process, my
                          understanding was:<br>
                          1. Development and release preparation happen
                          in parallel<br>
                          2. Developers determine that a release is
                          ready<br>
                          3. LF specifies an official release date and
                          begins the irreversible press release process<br>
                          4. The release happens on the specified date<br>
                          <br>
                          Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4
                          basically had to happen at the specified date
                          no matter what.&nbsp; Which means that, we need to
                          make sure that there is a coordination between
                          us to make sure that #3 doesn't happen until
                          #2 happens. :-)<br>
                          <br>
                          At the moment, we're good to go on our side --
                          but before you actually start #3, it would be
                          good to touch base with us to make sure we
                          haven't changed our minds again.
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          Is that about right?<br>
                          <br>
                          &nbsp;-George<br>
                          <br>
                          On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:</p>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote
                        style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Yes, in fact that is
                            preferred. Planning to send out a revised
                            release with a timeline of next steps.&nbsp;
                          </p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Sarah&nbsp;</p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">&nbsp;</p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at
                              10:42 AM, George Dunlap &lt;<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com"
                                target="_blank">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt;
                              wrote:</p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Sarah,<br>
                              <br>
                              We've just found a couple of bugs in the
                              RC5. &nbsp;What's the situation re the press
                              release? &nbsp;I haven't heard from you, so I
                              assume that we haven't hit the point of no
                              return yet -- if we needed to delay the
                              release for another week, we could?<br>
                              <br>
                              Thanks,<br>
                              &nbsp;-George</p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                            <br clear="all">
                          </p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">-- </p>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Sarah Conway</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">PR Manager</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">The Linux Foundation<br>
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org"
                                  target="_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="tel:%28978%29%20578-5300"
                                  value="+19785785300" target="_blank">(978)
                                  578-5300</a> &nbsp;Cell</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Skype:
                                &nbsp;sarah.k.conway</p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </blockquote>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
          </div>
          <br>
          <br clear="all">
          <div><br>
          </div>
          -- <br>
          <div dir="ltr">
            <div>Sarah Conway<br>
            </div>
            <div>PR Manager</div>
            <div>The Linux Foundation<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org"
                target="_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div>
            <div>(978) 578-5300 &nbsp;Cell</div>
            <div>Skype: &nbsp;sarah.k.conway</div>
          </div>
        </div>
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 > Given where we're at with steps 1 &2 now, I wanted to propose next 
Thursday, March 6th as our release date.
Timeline makes sense. You may want to give the AB an extra day

Regards
Lars

On 24/02/2014 18:50, Sarah Conway wrote:
> Hi George and Lars,
>
> Given where we're at with steps 1 &2 now, I wanted to propose next 
> Thursday, March 6th as our release date.
>
> With this date in mind, here's what our timeline looks like for the 
> next 2 weeks:
>
> Today, 2/24 - LF to send latest rev to AB one more time, ask for all 
> final edits back by Wed., Feb. 26, LF to also send release to Oracle 
> for review/approval on their quote. Please note, I'm not sure how long 
> Oracle's approval will take. This might push out the release date. I'm 
> waiting for feedback from Oracle on this.
>
> Thurs.-Fri. 2/27- 2/28 - LF to start pitching reporters news under 
> embargo for interviews.
>
> Mon.-Wed., 3/3-3/5 - LF to continue pitching, Xen Project participate 
> in any media interviews (could be live via phone or email requests)
> Xen Project team prepares technical blog to accompany news release
>
> Thurs., 3/6 - LF issues news release over Marketwire service, 
> continues pitching, posts to all social channels
> Xen Project publishes blog
>
> Please let me know if this seems to work on your end. I'll keep you 
> posted on what I hear from Oracle.
>
> Feel free to email if there are more questions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com 
> <mailto:lars.kurth@citrix.com>> wrote:
>
>     > 3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the
>     irreversible press release process
>
>     It's not exactly like this.
>
>     Typically we would agree a date for pre-briefing journalists and
>     the release going to the wire (it's like an aggregator for
>     journalists)
>
>     When that date has passed (probably in reality a day before with
>     time-zone issues), there cannot be a change.
>
>     Ideally, you don't want to have to re-schedule press briefings
>     with journalists either.
>
>     Regards
>
>     Lars
>
>     *From:*George Dunlap [mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com
>     <mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>]
>     *Sent:* 24 February 2014 18:31
>     *To:* Sarah Conway
>     *Cc:* Russell Pavlicek; Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org
>     <mailto:publicity@lists.xenproject.org>
>     *Subject:* Re: Release
>
>     OK, cool.  As it happens, I don't think we need to delay anything
>     on our side; and as we've branched, development isn't being held
>     up -- so no rush.
>
>     Just to understand the general process, my understanding was:
>     1. Development and release preparation happen in parallel
>     2. Developers determine that a release is ready
>     3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the
>     irreversible press release process
>     4. The release happens on the specified date
>
>     Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to
>     happen at the specified date no matter what.  Which means that, we
>     need to make sure that there is a coordination between us to make
>     sure that #3 doesn't happen until #2 happens. :-)
>
>     At the moment, we're good to go on our side -- but before you
>     actually start #3, it would be good to touch base with us to make
>     sure we haven't changed our minds again.
>
>     Is that about right?
>
>      -George
>
>     On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>
>         Yes, in fact that is preferred. Planning to send out a revised
>         release with a timeline of next steps.
>
>         Thanks,
>
>         Sarah
>
>         On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, George Dunlap
>         <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com
>         <mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>> wrote:
>
>         Sarah,
>
>         We've just found a couple of bugs in the RC5.  What's the
>         situation re the press release?  I haven't heard from you, so
>         I assume that we haven't hit the point of no return yet -- if
>         we needed to delay the release for another week, we could?
>
>         Thanks,
>          -George
>
>
>
>         -- 
>
>         Sarah Conway
>
>         PR Manager
>
>         The Linux Foundation
>         sconway@linuxfoundation.org <mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org>
>
>         (978) 578-5300 <tel:%28978%29%20578-5300>  Cell
>
>         Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Sarah Conway
> PR Manager
> The Linux Foundation
> sconway@linuxfoundation.org <mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org>
> (978) 578-5300  Cell
> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">&gt; Given where we're at with steps 1
      &amp;2 now, I wanted to propose next Thursday, March 6th as our
      release date. <br>
      Timeline makes sense. You may want to give the AB an extra day<br>
      <br>
      Regards<br>
      Lars<br>
      <br>
      On 24/02/2014 18:50, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAFm1QiD6_A3qvvGVJTnAbCT1EqJBFKqosq9KW3HP7KeW3GrXAQ@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>Hi George and Lars,&nbsp;</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Given where we're at with steps 1 &amp;2 now, I wanted to
          propose next Thursday, March 6th as our release date.&nbsp;</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>With this date in mind, here's what our timeline looks like
          for the next 2 weeks:</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Today, 2/24 - LF to send latest rev to AB one more time,
          ask for all final edits back by Wed., Feb. 26, LF to also send
          release to Oracle for review/approval on their quote. Please
          note, I'm not sure how long Oracle's approval will take. This
          might push out the release date. I'm waiting for feedback from
          Oracle on this.&nbsp;</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Thurs.-Fri. 2/27- 2/28 - LF to start pitching reporters
          news under embargo for interviews.</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Mon.-Wed., 3/3-3/5 - LF to continue
          pitching, Xen Project participate in any media interviews
          (could be live via phone or email requests)</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Xen Project team prepares technical
          blog to accompany news release</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Thurs., 3/6 - LF issues news release
          over Marketwire service, continues pitching, posts to all
          social channels</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Xen Project publishes blog&nbsp;</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Please let me know if this seems to
          work on your end. I'll keep you posted on what I hear from
          Oracle.&nbsp;</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Feel free to email if there are more
          questions.</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Thanks,<br>
          <br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Lars
            Kurth <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:lars.kurth@citrix.com" target="_blank">lars.kurth@citrix.com</a>&gt;</span>
            wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
              <div bgcolor="white" link="blue" vlink="purple"
                lang="EN-GB">
                <div>
                  <div class="">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&gt;
                      </span>3. LF specifies an official release date
                      and begins the irreversible press release process</p>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">It&#8217;s not exactly like this. </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Typically we would agree a date
                    for pre-briefing journalists and the release going
                    to the wire (it&#8217;s like an aggregator for
                    journalists)</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">When that date has passed
                    (probably in reality a day before with time-zone
                    issues), there cannot be a change.
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Ideally, you don&#8217;t want to have
                    to re-schedule press briefings with journalists
                    either.</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Regards</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Lars</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span></p>
                  <div>
                    <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df
                      1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"
                            lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"
                          lang="EN-US"> George Dunlap [mailto:<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com"
                            target="_blank">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>]
                          <br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> 24 February 2014 18:31<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Sarah Conway<br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> Russell Pavlicek; Lars Kurth; <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:publicity@lists.xenproject.org"
                            target="_blank">publicity@lists.xenproject.org</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: Release</span></p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div class="h5">
                      <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">OK, cool.&nbsp; As it happens, I
                          don't think we need to delay anything on our
                          side; and as we've branched, development isn't
                          being held up -- so no rush.<br>
                          <br>
                          Just to understand the general process, my
                          understanding was:<br>
                          1. Development and release preparation happen
                          in parallel<br>
                          2. Developers determine that a release is
                          ready<br>
                          3. LF specifies an official release date and
                          begins the irreversible press release process<br>
                          4. The release happens on the specified date<br>
                          <br>
                          Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4
                          basically had to happen at the specified date
                          no matter what.&nbsp; Which means that, we need to
                          make sure that there is a coordination between
                          us to make sure that #3 doesn't happen until
                          #2 happens. :-)<br>
                          <br>
                          At the moment, we're good to go on our side --
                          but before you actually start #3, it would be
                          good to touch base with us to make sure we
                          haven't changed our minds again.
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          Is that about right?<br>
                          <br>
                          &nbsp;-George<br>
                          <br>
                          On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:</p>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote
                        style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Yes, in fact that is
                            preferred. Planning to send out a revised
                            release with a timeline of next steps.&nbsp;
                          </p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Sarah&nbsp;</p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">&nbsp;</p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at
                              10:42 AM, George Dunlap &lt;<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com"
                                target="_blank">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt;
                              wrote:</p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Sarah,<br>
                              <br>
                              We've just found a couple of bugs in the
                              RC5. &nbsp;What's the situation re the press
                              release? &nbsp;I haven't heard from you, so I
                              assume that we haven't hit the point of no
                              return yet -- if we needed to delay the
                              release for another week, we could?<br>
                              <br>
                              Thanks,<br>
                              &nbsp;-George</p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                            <br clear="all">
                          </p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">-- </p>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Sarah Conway</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">PR Manager</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">The Linux Foundation<br>
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org"
                                  target="_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="tel:%28978%29%20578-5300"
                                  value="+19785785300" target="_blank">(978)
                                  578-5300</a> &nbsp;Cell</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Skype:
                                &nbsp;sarah.k.conway</p>
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                          </div>
                        </div>
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            <div>The Linux Foundation<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                target="_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div>
            <div>(978) 578-5300 &nbsp;Cell</div>
            <div>Skype: &nbsp;sarah.k.conway</div>
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This timeline looks really good.



On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Sarah Conway
<sconway@linuxfoundation.org>wrote:

> Hi George and Lars,
>
> Given where we're at with steps 1 &2 now, I wanted to propose next
> Thursday, March 6th as our release date.
>
> With this date in mind, here's what our timeline looks like for the next 2
> weeks:
>
> Today, 2/24 - LF to send latest rev to AB one more time, ask for all final
> edits back by Wed., Feb. 26, LF to also send release to Oracle for
> review/approval on their quote. Please note, I'm not sure how long Oracle's
> approval will take. This might push out the release date. I'm waiting for
> feedback from Oracle on this.
>
> Thurs.-Fri. 2/27- 2/28 - LF to start pitching reporters news under embargo
> for interviews.
>
> Mon.-Wed., 3/3-3/5 - LF to continue pitching, Xen Project participate in
> any media interviews (could be live via phone or email requests)
> Xen Project team prepares technical blog to accompany news release
>
> Thurs., 3/6 - LF issues news release over Marketwire service, continues
> pitching, posts to all social channels
> Xen Project publishes blog
>
> Please let me know if this seems to work on your end. I'll keep you posted
> on what I hear from Oracle.
>
> Feel free to email if there are more questions.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com> wrote:
>
>>  > 3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible
>> press release process
>>
>> It's not exactly like this.
>>
>> Typically we would agree a date for pre-briefing journalists and the
>> release going to the wire (it's like an aggregator for journalists)
>>
>> When that date has passed (probably in reality a day before with
>> time-zone issues), there cannot be a change.
>>
>> Ideally, you don't want to have to re-schedule press briefings with
>> journalists either.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Lars
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* George Dunlap [mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com]
>> *Sent:* 24 February 2014 18:31
>> *To:* Sarah Conway
>> *Cc:* Russell Pavlicek; Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Release
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, cool.  As it happens, I don't think we need to delay anything on our
>> side; and as we've branched, development isn't being held up -- so no rush.
>>
>> Just to understand the general process, my understanding was:
>> 1. Development and release preparation happen in parallel
>> 2. Developers determine that a release is ready
>> 3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible
>> press release process
>> 4. The release happens on the specified date
>>
>> Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to happen at
>> the specified date no matter what.  Which means that, we need to make sure
>> that there is a coordination between us to make sure that #3 doesn't happen
>> until #2 happens. :-)
>>
>> At the moment, we're good to go on our side -- but before you actually
>> start #3, it would be good to touch base with us to make sure we haven't
>> changed our minds again.
>>
>> Is that about right?
>>
>>  -George
>>
>> On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>>
>>  Yes, in fact that is preferred. Planning to send out a revised release
>> with a timeline of next steps.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, George Dunlap <
>> george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sarah,
>>
>> We've just found a couple of bugs in the RC5.  What's the situation re
>> the press release?  I haven't heard from you, so I assume that we haven't
>> hit the point of no return yet -- if we needed to delay the release for
>> another week, we could?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>  -George
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Sarah Conway
>>
>> PR Manager
>>
>> The Linux Foundation
>> sconway@linuxfoundation.org
>>
>> (978) 578-5300  Cell
>>
>> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sarah Conway
> PR Manager
> The Linux Foundation
> sconway@linuxfoundation.org
> (978) 578-5300  Cell
> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This timeline looks really good.<div><br></div></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 24, 20=
14 at 10:50 AM, Sarah Conway <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sconwa=
y@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi George and Lars,&nb=
sp;</div><div><br></div><div>Given where we&#39;re at with steps 1 &amp;2 n=
ow, I wanted to propose next Thursday, March 6th as our release date.&nbsp;=
</div>
<div><br></div><div>With this date in mind, here&#39;s what our timeline lo=
oks like for the next 2 weeks:</div>
<div><br></div><div>Today, 2/24 - LF to send latest rev to AB one more time=
, ask for all final edits back by Wed., Feb. 26, LF to also send release to=
 Oracle for review/approval on their quote. Please note, I&#39;m not sure h=
ow long Oracle&#39;s approval will take. This might push out the release da=
te. I&#39;m waiting for feedback from Oracle on this.&nbsp;</div>

<div><br></div><div>Thurs.-Fri. 2/27- 2/28 - LF to start pitching reporters=
 news under embargo for interviews.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Mon.-Wed., 3/3-3/5 - LF to continue pitching,=
 Xen Project participate in any media interviews (could be live via phone o=
r email requests)</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra">Xen Project team prepares technical blog to acco=
mpany news release</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_extra">Thurs., 3/6 - LF issues news release over Marketwire service, =
continues pitching, posts to all social channels</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra">Xen Project publishes blog&nbsp;</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Please let me know if=
 this seems to work on your end. I&#39;ll keep you posted on what I hear fr=
om Oracle.&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Feel free t=
o email if there are more questions.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Thanks,<div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote">
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Lars Kurth <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:lars.kurth@citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">lars.kurth@citrix.com</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div bgcolor=3D"white" lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&gt;
</span>3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible=
 press release process<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It&rsquo;s not exactly like this. <u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Typically we would agree a date for pre-briefing jou=
rnalists and the release going to the wire (it&rsquo;s like an aggregator f=
or journalists)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">When that date has passed (probably in reality a day=
 before with time-zone issues), there cannot be a change.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ideally, you don&rsquo;t want to have to re-schedule=
 press briefings with journalists either.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Lars<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">From:=
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"> George Dunlap [mail=
to:<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">george.=
dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 24 February 2014 18:31<br>
<b>To:</b> Sarah Conway<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Russell Pavlicek; Lars Kurth; <a href=3D"mailto:publicity@lists.=
xenproject.org" target=3D"_blank">publicity@lists.xenproject.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Release<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div><div><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">OK, cool.&nbsp; As it happens, I don&#39;t think we =
need to delay anything on our side; and as we&#39;ve branched, development =
isn&#39;t being held up -- so no rush.<br>
<br>
Just to understand the general process, my understanding was:<br>
1. Development and release preparation happen in parallel<br>
2. Developers determine that a release is ready<br>
3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible press =
release process<br>
4. The release happens on the specified date<br>
<br>
Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to happen at the=
 specified date no matter what.&nbsp; Which means that, we need to make sur=
e that there is a coordination between us to make sure that #3 doesn&#39;t =
happen until #2 happens. :-)<br>


<br>
At the moment, we&#39;re good to go on our side -- but before you actually =
start #3, it would be good to touch base with us to make sure we haven&#39;=
t changed our minds again.
<br>
<br>
Is that about right?<br>
<br>
&nbsp;-George<br>
<br>
On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes, in fact that is preferred. Planning to send out=
 a revised release with a timeline of next steps.&nbsp;
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sarah&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u><=
/p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, George Dunlap &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">george.dun=
lap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sarah,<br>
<br>
We&#39;ve just found a couple of bugs in the RC5. &nbsp;What&#39;s the situ=
ation re the press release? &nbsp;I haven&#39;t heard from you, so I assume=
 that we haven&#39;t hit the point of no return yet -- if we needed to dela=
y the release for another week, we could?<br>


<br>
Thanks,<br>
&nbsp;-George<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br clear=3D"all">
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sarah Conway<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">PR Manager<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The Linux Foundation<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">sconway@li=
nuxfoundation.org</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"tel:%28978%29%20578-5300" value=3D"+19785=
785300" target=3D"_blank">(978) 578-5300</a> &nbsp;Cell<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Skype: &nbsp;sarah.k.conway<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div></div></div>
</div>

</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR Manager</div><div>The Linux Foundat=
ion<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">sco=
nway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div>

<div><a href=3D"tel:%28978%29%20578-5300" value=3D"+19785785300" target=3D"=
_blank">(978) 578-5300</a> &nbsp;Cell</div><div>Skype: &nbsp;sarah.k.conway=
</div></div>
</div></div></div></div>
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target=3D"_blank">http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publ=
icity</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Jennifer=
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This timeline looks really good.



On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Sarah Conway
<sconway@linuxfoundation.org>wrote:

> Hi George and Lars,
>
> Given where we're at with steps 1 &2 now, I wanted to propose next
> Thursday, March 6th as our release date.
>
> With this date in mind, here's what our timeline looks like for the next 2
> weeks:
>
> Today, 2/24 - LF to send latest rev to AB one more time, ask for all final
> edits back by Wed., Feb. 26, LF to also send release to Oracle for
> review/approval on their quote. Please note, I'm not sure how long Oracle's
> approval will take. This might push out the release date. I'm waiting for
> feedback from Oracle on this.
>
> Thurs.-Fri. 2/27- 2/28 - LF to start pitching reporters news under embargo
> for interviews.
>
> Mon.-Wed., 3/3-3/5 - LF to continue pitching, Xen Project participate in
> any media interviews (could be live via phone or email requests)
> Xen Project team prepares technical blog to accompany news release
>
> Thurs., 3/6 - LF issues news release over Marketwire service, continues
> pitching, posts to all social channels
> Xen Project publishes blog
>
> Please let me know if this seems to work on your end. I'll keep you posted
> on what I hear from Oracle.
>
> Feel free to email if there are more questions.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com> wrote:
>
>>  > 3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible
>> press release process
>>
>> It's not exactly like this.
>>
>> Typically we would agree a date for pre-briefing journalists and the
>> release going to the wire (it's like an aggregator for journalists)
>>
>> When that date has passed (probably in reality a day before with
>> time-zone issues), there cannot be a change.
>>
>> Ideally, you don't want to have to re-schedule press briefings with
>> journalists either.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Lars
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* George Dunlap [mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com]
>> *Sent:* 24 February 2014 18:31
>> *To:* Sarah Conway
>> *Cc:* Russell Pavlicek; Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Release
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, cool.  As it happens, I don't think we need to delay anything on our
>> side; and as we've branched, development isn't being held up -- so no rush.
>>
>> Just to understand the general process, my understanding was:
>> 1. Development and release preparation happen in parallel
>> 2. Developers determine that a release is ready
>> 3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible
>> press release process
>> 4. The release happens on the specified date
>>
>> Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to happen at
>> the specified date no matter what.  Which means that, we need to make sure
>> that there is a coordination between us to make sure that #3 doesn't happen
>> until #2 happens. :-)
>>
>> At the moment, we're good to go on our side -- but before you actually
>> start #3, it would be good to touch base with us to make sure we haven't
>> changed our minds again.
>>
>> Is that about right?
>>
>>  -George
>>
>> On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>>
>>  Yes, in fact that is preferred. Planning to send out a revised release
>> with a timeline of next steps.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, George Dunlap <
>> george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sarah,
>>
>> We've just found a couple of bugs in the RC5.  What's the situation re
>> the press release?  I haven't heard from you, so I assume that we haven't
>> hit the point of no return yet -- if we needed to delay the release for
>> another week, we could?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>  -George
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Sarah Conway
>>
>> PR Manager
>>
>> The Linux Foundation
>> sconway@linuxfoundation.org
>>
>> (978) 578-5300  Cell
>>
>> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sarah Conway
> PR Manager
> The Linux Foundation
> sconway@linuxfoundation.org
> (978) 578-5300  Cell
> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This timeline looks really good.<div><br></div></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 24, 20=
14 at 10:50 AM, Sarah Conway <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sconwa=
y@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi George and Lars,&nb=
sp;</div><div><br></div><div>Given where we&#39;re at with steps 1 &amp;2 n=
ow, I wanted to propose next Thursday, March 6th as our release date.&nbsp;=
</div>
<div><br></div><div>With this date in mind, here&#39;s what our timeline lo=
oks like for the next 2 weeks:</div>
<div><br></div><div>Today, 2/24 - LF to send latest rev to AB one more time=
, ask for all final edits back by Wed., Feb. 26, LF to also send release to=
 Oracle for review/approval on their quote. Please note, I&#39;m not sure h=
ow long Oracle&#39;s approval will take. This might push out the release da=
te. I&#39;m waiting for feedback from Oracle on this.&nbsp;</div>

<div><br></div><div>Thurs.-Fri. 2/27- 2/28 - LF to start pitching reporters=
 news under embargo for interviews.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Mon.-Wed., 3/3-3/5 - LF to continue pitching,=
 Xen Project participate in any media interviews (could be live via phone o=
r email requests)</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra">Xen Project team prepares technical blog to acco=
mpany news release</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_extra">Thurs., 3/6 - LF issues news release over Marketwire service, =
continues pitching, posts to all social channels</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra">Xen Project publishes blog&nbsp;</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Please let me know if=
 this seems to work on your end. I&#39;ll keep you posted on what I hear fr=
om Oracle.&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Feel free t=
o email if there are more questions.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Thanks,<div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote">
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Lars Kurth <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:lars.kurth@citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">lars.kurth@citrix.com</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div bgcolor=3D"white" lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&gt;
</span>3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible=
 press release process<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It&rsquo;s not exactly like this. <u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Typically we would agree a date for pre-briefing jou=
rnalists and the release going to the wire (it&rsquo;s like an aggregator f=
or journalists)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">When that date has passed (probably in reality a day=
 before with time-zone issues), there cannot be a change.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ideally, you don&rsquo;t want to have to re-schedule=
 press briefings with journalists either.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Lars<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">From:=
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"> George Dunlap [mail=
to:<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">george.=
dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 24 February 2014 18:31<br>
<b>To:</b> Sarah Conway<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Russell Pavlicek; Lars Kurth; <a href=3D"mailto:publicity@lists.=
xenproject.org" target=3D"_blank">publicity@lists.xenproject.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Release<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div><div><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">OK, cool.&nbsp; As it happens, I don&#39;t think we =
need to delay anything on our side; and as we&#39;ve branched, development =
isn&#39;t being held up -- so no rush.<br>
<br>
Just to understand the general process, my understanding was:<br>
1. Development and release preparation happen in parallel<br>
2. Developers determine that a release is ready<br>
3. LF specifies an official release date and begins the irreversible press =
release process<br>
4. The release happens on the specified date<br>
<br>
Lars made it clear that once #3 happened, #4 basically had to happen at the=
 specified date no matter what.&nbsp; Which means that, we need to make sur=
e that there is a coordination between us to make sure that #3 doesn&#39;t =
happen until #2 happens. :-)<br>


<br>
At the moment, we&#39;re good to go on our side -- but before you actually =
start #3, it would be good to touch base with us to make sure we haven&#39;=
t changed our minds again.
<br>
<br>
Is that about right?<br>
<br>
&nbsp;-George<br>
<br>
On 02/24/2014 06:01 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes, in fact that is preferred. Planning to send out=
 a revised release with a timeline of next steps.&nbsp;
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sarah&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u><=
/p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, George Dunlap &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target=3D"_blank">george.dun=
lap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sarah,<br>
<br>
We&#39;ve just found a couple of bugs in the RC5. &nbsp;What&#39;s the situ=
ation re the press release? &nbsp;I haven&#39;t heard from you, so I assume=
 that we haven&#39;t hit the point of no return yet -- if we needed to dela=
y the release for another week, we could?<br>


<br>
Thanks,<br>
&nbsp;-George<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br clear=3D"all">
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sarah Conway<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">PR Manager<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The Linux Foundation<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">sconway@li=
nuxfoundation.org</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"tel:%28978%29%20578-5300" value=3D"+19785=
785300" target=3D"_blank">(978) 578-5300</a> &nbsp;Cell<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Skype: &nbsp;sarah.k.conway<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div></div></div>
</div>

</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR Manager</div><div>The Linux Foundat=
ion<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">sco=
nway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div>

<div><a href=3D"tel:%28978%29%20578-5300" value=3D"+19785785300" target=3D"=
_blank">(978) 578-5300</a> &nbsp;Cell</div><div>Skype: &nbsp;sarah.k.conway=
</div></div>
</div></div></div></div>
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Hi all,
We announced an update to XenGT recently:
http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2014-02/msg01848.html

I think it would be great for us to have a xenproject blog about it.

I think we can just copy the existing blog :
https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/2013/graphics-virtualization-xengt

My registered username on blog.xen.org is Dexuan_Cui.

Any comment?

Thanks!
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Hi all,
We announced an update to XenGT recently:
http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2014-02/msg01848.html

I think it would be great for us to have a xenproject blog about it.

I think we can just copy the existing blog :
https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/2013/graphics-virtualization-xengt

My registered username on blog.xen.org is Dexuan_Cui.

Any comment?

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-- Dexuan


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All,
I am going to put together a blog post related to OPW and GSoC today
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Lars

On 19/02/2014 17:17, Julien Grall wrote:
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>> On mer, 2014-02-19 at 16:54 +0000, Julien Grall wrote:
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>>>> you tell me what a reasonable date for a blog post from you could be?
>>>> That way, I can put you back in a proper place in the pipeline.
>>> I will be away until Monday 10 March. So if possible, not before this
>>> date :).
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>> Ok, I'll sign you up for right that week. That means you should have the
>> post ready for review, ideally, by Wed 12 March.
> Thanks, now I know what I will have to do during my 13 hours flight :).
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All,
I am going to put together a blog post related to OPW and GSoC today
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Lars

On 19/02/2014 17:17, Julien Grall wrote:
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>>> I will be away until Monday 10 March. So if possible, not before this
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>>>
>> Ok, I'll sign you up for right that week. That means you should have the
>> post ready for review, ideally, by Wed 12 March.
> Thanks, now I know what I will have to do during my 13 hours flight :).
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Hi Dexuan,

I think this is a great idea. Might consider adding some context on the
community development of XenGT and next steps for Xen Project at large for
posting to blog.xen.org.

Would that be possible?




On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Cui, Dexuan <dexuan.cui@intel.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> We announced an update to XenGT recently:
> http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2014-02/msg01848.html
>
> I think it would be great for us to have a xenproject blog about it.
>
> I think we can just copy the existing blog :
> https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/2013/graphics-virtualization-xengt
>
> My registered username on blog.xen.org is Dexuan_Cui.
>
> Any comment?
>
> Thanks!
> -- Dexuan
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Dexuan,<div><br></div><div>I think this is a great idea=
. Might consider adding some context on the community development of XenGT =
and next steps for Xen Project at large for posting to <a href=3D"http://bl=
og.xen.org">blog.xen.org</a>.<div>
<br></div><div>Would that be possible?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><=
/div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On=
 Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Cui, Dexuan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:dexuan.cui@intel.com" target=3D"_blank">dexuan.cui@intel.com</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all,<br>
We announced an update to XenGT recently:<br>
<a href=3D"http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2014-02/msg01848.ht=
ml" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2014-02/=
msg01848.html</a><br>
<br>
I think it would be great for us to have a xenproject blog about it.<br>
<br>
I think we can just copy the existing blog :<br>
<a href=3D"https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/2013/graphics-virtualization-x=
engt" target=3D"_blank">https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/2013/graphics-vir=
tualization-xengt</a><br>
<br>
My registered username on <a href=3D"http://blog.xen.org" target=3D"_blank"=
>blog.xen.org</a> is Dexuan_Cui.<br>
<br>
Any comment?<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
-- Dexuan<br>
<br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR Manager</div><div>The Linux Foundat=
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Hi Dexuan,

I think this is a great idea. Might consider adding some context on the
community development of XenGT and next steps for Xen Project at large for
posting to blog.xen.org.

Would that be possible?




On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Cui, Dexuan <dexuan.cui@intel.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> We announced an update to XenGT recently:
> http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2014-02/msg01848.html
>
> I think it would be great for us to have a xenproject blog about it.
>
> I think we can just copy the existing blog :
> https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/2013/graphics-virtualization-xengt
>
> My registered username on blog.xen.org is Dexuan_Cui.
>
> Any comment?
>
> Thanks!
> -- Dexuan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Dexuan,<div><br></div><div>I think this is a great idea=
. Might consider adding some context on the community development of XenGT =
and next steps for Xen Project at large for posting to <a href=3D"http://bl=
og.xen.org">blog.xen.org</a>.<div>
<br></div><div>Would that be possible?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><=
/div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On=
 Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Cui, Dexuan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:dexuan.cui@intel.com" target=3D"_blank">dexuan.cui@intel.com</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all,<br>
We announced an update to XenGT recently:<br>
<a href=3D"http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2014-02/msg01848.ht=
ml" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2014-02/=
msg01848.html</a><br>
<br>
I think it would be great for us to have a xenproject blog about it.<br>
<br>
I think we can just copy the existing blog :<br>
<a href=3D"https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/2013/graphics-virtualization-x=
engt" target=3D"_blank">https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/2013/graphics-vir=
tualization-xengt</a><br>
<br>
My registered username on <a href=3D"http://blog.xen.org" target=3D"_blank"=
>blog.xen.org</a> is Dexuan_Cui.<br>
<br>
Any comment?<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
-- Dexuan<br>
<br>
<br>
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icity</a><br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div>Sarah Conway<br></div><div>PR Manager</div><div>The Linux Foundat=
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Hi Sarah,
Thanks for the good suggestion! We'll try to add the information in the blo=
g.

Thanks,
-- Dexuan

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Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 5:55 AM
To: Cui, Dexuan
Cc: publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Lars Kurth
Subject: Re: [Publicity] Can we have a XenGT blog on blog.xen.org?

Hi Dexuan,

I think this is a great idea. Might consider adding some context on the com=
munity development of XenGT and next steps for Xen Project at large for pos=
ting to blog.xen.org<http://blog.xen.org>.

Would that be possible?



On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Cui, Dexuan <dexuan.cui@intel.com<mailto:d=
exuan.cui@intel.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
We announced an update to XenGT recently:
http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2014-02/msg01848.html

I think it would be great for us to have a xenproject blog about it.

I think we can just copy the existing blog :
https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/2013/graphics-virtualization-xengt

My registered username on blog.xen.org<http://blog.xen.org> is Dexuan_Cui.

Any comment?

Thanks!
-- Dexuan


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EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-=
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<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February 26=
, 2014 5:55 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Cui, Dexuan<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> publicity@lists.xenproje=
ct.org; Lars Kurth<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Publicity] Can=
 we have a XenGT blog on blog.xen.org?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">I think this is a great idea. Might c=
onsider adding some context on the community development of XenGT and next =
steps for Xen Project at large for posting
 to <a href=3D"http://blog.xen.org">blog.xen.org</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
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=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Cui,=
 Dexuan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dexuan.cui@intel.com" target=3D"_blank">dexua=
n.cui@intel.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Hi all,<br>
We announced an update to XenGT recently:<br>
<a href=3D"http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2014-02/msg01848.ht=
ml" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2014-02/=
msg01848.html</a><br>
<br>
I think it would be great for us to have a <span class=3D"SpellE">xenprojec=
t</span> blog about it.<br>
<br>
I think we can just copy the existing blog :<br>
<a href=3D"https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/2013/graphics-virtualization-x=
engt" target=3D"_blank">https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/2013/graphics-vir=
tualization-xengt</a><br>
<br>
My registered username on <a href=3D"http://blog.xen.org" target=3D"_blank"=
>blog.xen.org</a> is
<span class=3D"SpellE">Dexuan_Cui</span>.<br>
<br>
Any comment?<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
-- Dexuan<br>
<br>
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Hi Sarah,
Thanks for the good suggestion! We'll try to add the information in the blo=
g.

Thanks,
-- Dexuan

From: Sarah Conway [mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 5:55 AM
To: Cui, Dexuan
Cc: publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Lars Kurth
Subject: Re: [Publicity] Can we have a XenGT blog on blog.xen.org?

Hi Dexuan,

I think this is a great idea. Might consider adding some context on the com=
munity development of XenGT and next steps for Xen Project at large for pos=
ting to blog.xen.org<http://blog.xen.org>.

Would that be possible?



On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Cui, Dexuan <dexuan.cui@intel.com<mailto:d=
exuan.cui@intel.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
We announced an update to XenGT recently:
http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2014-02/msg01848.html

I think it would be great for us to have a xenproject blog about it.

I think we can just copy the existing blog :
https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/2013/graphics-virtualization-xengt

My registered username on blog.xen.org<http://blog.xen.org> is Dexuan_Cui.

Any comment?

Thanks!
-- Dexuan


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&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&qu=
ot;;color:#1F497D">Thanks for the good suggestion!
<span style=3D"mso-no-proof:yes">We&#8217;ll try to add the information in =
the blog.<o:p></o:p></span></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideog=
raph;mso-pagination:none">
<font size=3D"2" color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Calibri"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideog=
raph;mso-pagination:none">
<font size=3D"2" color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Calibri"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri=
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ot;;color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideog=
raph;mso-pagination:none">
<font size=3D"2" color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Calibri"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri=
&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&qu=
ot;;color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes">-- Dexuan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Calibri">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></=
p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-weight:b=
old">From:</span></font></b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><span lang=3D"=
EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">
 Sarah Conway [mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org] <br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February 26=
, 2014 5:55 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Cui, Dexuan<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> publicity@lists.xenproje=
ct.org; Lars Kurth<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Publicity] Can=
 we have a XenGT blog on blog.xen.org?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Hi Dexuan,<o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">I think this is a great idea. Might c=
onsider adding some context on the community development of XenGT and next =
steps for Xen Project at large for posting
 to <a href=3D"http://blog.xen.org">blog.xen.org</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Would that be possible?<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size=3D"3" face=
=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Cui,=
 Dexuan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dexuan.cui@intel.com" target=3D"_blank">dexua=
n.cui@intel.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Hi all,<br>
We announced an update to XenGT recently:<br>
<a href=3D"http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2014-02/msg01848.ht=
ml" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2014-02/=
msg01848.html</a><br>
<br>
I think it would be great for us to have a <span class=3D"SpellE">xenprojec=
t</span> blog about it.<br>
<br>
I think we can just copy the existing blog :<br>
<a href=3D"https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/2013/graphics-virtualization-x=
engt" target=3D"_blank">https://01.org/xen/blogs/srclarkx/2013/graphics-vir=
tualization-xengt</a><br>
<br>
My registered username on <a href=3D"http://blog.xen.org" target=3D"_blank"=
>blog.xen.org</a> is
<span class=3D"SpellE">Dexuan_Cui</span>.<br>
<br>
Any comment?<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
-- Dexuan<br>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Publicity mailing list<br>
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target=3D"_blank">http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publ=
icity</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><br>
<br clear=3D"all" style=3D"mso-special-character:line-break">
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">--
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Sarah Conway<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">PR Manager<o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">The Linux Foundation<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">sconway@li=
nuxfoundation.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">(978) 578-5300 &nbsp;Cell<o:p></o:p><=
/span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Skype: &nbsp;<span class=3D"SpellE">s=
arah.k.conway</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On mer, 2014-02-26 at 01:07 +0000, Cui, Dexuan wrote:
> Hi Sarah,
>=20
> Thanks for the good suggestion! We=E2=80=99ll try to add the information =
in
> the blog.
>=20
Hi Dexuan,

I think what you have there is already quite good, and it will become
even better with Sarah's suggested additions.

So, publishing time-wise, let's see how busy the blog will be for the
upcoming Xen 4.4 release in the next weeks... In the meanwhile, have you
registered on our Wordpress? Do you need me to make you an editor, so
that you can start putting a draft together?

Let me know.

Thanks and Regards,
Dario

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On mer, 2014-02-26 at 01:07 +0000, Cui, Dexuan wrote:
> Hi Sarah,
>=20
> Thanks for the good suggestion! We=E2=80=99ll try to add the information =
in
> the blog.
>=20
Hi Dexuan,

I think what you have there is already quite good, and it will become
even better with Sarah's suggested additions.

So, publishing time-wise, let's see how busy the blog will be for the
upcoming Xen 4.4 release in the next weeks... In the meanwhile, have you
registered on our Wordpress? Do you need me to make you an editor, so
that you can start putting a draft together?

Let me know.

Thanks and Regards,
Dario

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On mer, 2014-02-26 at 11:12 +0000, Cui, Dexuan wrote:
> Dario Faggioli wrote on 2014-02-26:

> > registered on our Wordpress? Do you need me to make you an editor, so
> Yes. My registered name is Dexcuan_Cui.
>
Found it, you're an editor. :-)

> > that you can start putting a draft together?
> Yes, please.
>=20
Go ahead at your ease and convenience.

Ping us when the draft is ready.

Regards,
Dario

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On mer, 2014-02-26 at 11:12 +0000, Cui, Dexuan wrote:
> Dario Faggioli wrote on 2014-02-26:

> > registered on our Wordpress? Do you need me to make you an editor, so
> Yes. My registered name is Dexcuan_Cui.
>
Found it, you're an editor. :-)

> > that you can start putting a draft together?
> Yes, please.
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Go ahead at your ease and convenience.

Ping us when the draft is ready.

Regards,
Dario

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Hi all,

To keep the PR new release concise, I've removed the following features
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both written in OCaml and used in XenServer, rely on the OCaml language
bindings to operate well. A major overhaul of the OCaml language bindings
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2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration

3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub

I'm targeting March 10th as our release date for ample Oracle review time
and pitching ahead of time.

I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to elaborate on these items and any
other Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen Orchestration). Is anyone
assigned to write this yet?

It would be useful to include a url to this blog in our release if
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Thanks,

--
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 the OCaml language bindings to operate well. A major overhaul of the OCaml=
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distributions. =A0<br>
<br>2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration<br><br>3) The bootable PV Xen image in ups=
tream grub<br><br>I&#39;m targeting March 10th as our release date for ampl=
e Oracle review time and pitching ahead of time.</div><div><br></div><div>
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gned to write this yet?=A0</div><div><br>It would be useful to include a ur=
l to this blog in our release if possible.=A0<br>
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Hi all,

To keep the PR new release concise, I've removed the following features
from that document:

1) Improved support for Xen Project sub-projects --  XAPI and Mirage OS,
both written in OCaml and used in XenServer, rely on the OCaml language
bindings to operate well. A major overhaul of the OCaml language bindings
improve compatibility between XAPI, Mirage OS and Linux distributions.

2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration

3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub

I'm targeting March 10th as our release date for ample Oracle review time
and pitching ahead of time.

I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to elaborate on these items and any
other Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen Orchestration). Is anyone
assigned to write this yet?

It would be useful to include a url to this blog in our release if
possible.

Thanks,

--
Sarah Conway
PR Manager
The Linux Foundation
sconway@linuxfoundation.org
(978) 578-5300  Cell
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all,<div><div><br></div><div>To keep the PR new release=
 concise, I&#39;ve removed the following features from that document:=A0</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>1) Improved support for Xen Project sub-projects -- =
=A0XAPI and Mirage OS, both written in OCaml and used in XenServer, rely on=
 the OCaml language bindings to operate well. A major overhaul of the OCaml=
 language bindings improve compatibility between XAPI, Mirage OS and Linux =
distributions. =A0<br>
<br>2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration<br><br>3) The bootable PV Xen image in ups=
tream grub<br><br>I&#39;m targeting March 10th as our release date for ampl=
e Oracle review time and pitching ahead of time.</div><div><br></div><div>
I know we&#39;re planning a 4.4 blog(s) to elaborate on these items and any=
 other Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen Orchestration). Is anyone assi=
gned to write this yet?=A0</div><div><br>It would be useful to include a ur=
l to this blog in our release if possible.=A0<br>
<br>Thanks,<br><br>--<br>Sarah Conway<br>PR Manager<br>The Linux Foundation=
<br><a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org">sconway@linuxfoundation.=
org</a><br>(978) 578-5300 =A0Cell<br>Skype: =A0sarah.k.conway<br><div>
</div></div></div></div>

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I think the release coordinator (me) is basically responsible for 
writing up the blog.

When do you need the URL by?

  -George

On 02/27/2014 03:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> To keep the PR new release concise, I've removed the following 
> features from that document:
>
> 1) Improved support for Xen Project sub-projects --  XAPI and Mirage 
> OS, both written in OCaml and used in XenServer, rely on the OCaml 
> language bindings to operate well. A major overhaul of the OCaml 
> language bindings improve compatibility between XAPI, Mirage OS and 
> Linux distributions.
>
> 2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration
>
> 3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub
>
> I'm targeting March 10th as our release date for ample Oracle review 
> time and pitching ahead of time.
>
> I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to elaborate on these items and 
> any other Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen Orchestration). Is 
> anyone assigned to write this yet?
>
> It would be useful to include a url to this blog in our release if 
> possible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Sarah Conway
> PR Manager
> The Linux Foundation
> sconway@linuxfoundation.org <mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org>
> (978) 578-5300  Cell
> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>
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      basically responsible for writing up the blog.<br>
      <br>
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      <br>
      &nbsp;-George<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi all,
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          </div>
          <div>To keep the PR new release concise, I've removed the
            following features from that document:&nbsp;</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>1) Improved support for Xen Project sub-projects -- &nbsp;XAPI
            and Mirage OS, both written in OCaml and used in XenServer,
            rely on the OCaml language bindings to operate well. A major
            overhaul of the OCaml language bindings improve
            compatibility between XAPI, Mirage OS and Linux
            distributions. &nbsp;<br>
            <br>
            2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration<br>
            <br>
            3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub<br>
            <br>
            I'm targeting March 10th as our release date for ample
            Oracle review time and pitching ahead of time.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>
            I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to elaborate on these
            items and any other Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen
            Orchestration). Is anyone assigned to write this yet?&nbsp;</div>
          <div><br>
            It would be useful to include a url to this blog in our
            release if possible.&nbsp;<br>
            <br>
            Thanks,<br>
            <br>
            --<br>
            Sarah Conway<br>
            PR Manager<br>
            The Linux Foundation<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
            (978) 578-5300 &nbsp;Cell<br>
            Skype: &nbsp;sarah.k.conway<br>
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I think the release coordinator (me) is basically responsible for 
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When do you need the URL by?

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On 02/27/2014 03:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> To keep the PR new release concise, I've removed the following 
> features from that document:
>
> 1) Improved support for Xen Project sub-projects --  XAPI and Mirage 
> OS, both written in OCaml and used in XenServer, rely on the OCaml 
> language bindings to operate well. A major overhaul of the OCaml 
> language bindings improve compatibility between XAPI, Mirage OS and 
> Linux distributions.
>
> 2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration
>
> 3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub
>
> I'm targeting March 10th as our release date for ample Oracle review 
> time and pitching ahead of time.
>
> I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to elaborate on these items and 
> any other Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen Orchestration). Is 
> anyone assigned to write this yet?
>
> It would be useful to include a url to this blog in our release if 
> possible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Sarah Conway
> PR Manager
> The Linux Foundation
> sconway@linuxfoundation.org <mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org>
> (978) 578-5300  Cell
> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>
>
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      On 02/27/2014 03:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi all,
        <div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>To keep the PR new release concise, I've removed the
            following features from that document:&nbsp;</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>1) Improved support for Xen Project sub-projects -- &nbsp;XAPI
            and Mirage OS, both written in OCaml and used in XenServer,
            rely on the OCaml language bindings to operate well. A major
            overhaul of the OCaml language bindings improve
            compatibility between XAPI, Mirage OS and Linux
            distributions. &nbsp;<br>
            <br>
            2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration<br>
            <br>
            3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub<br>
            <br>
            I'm targeting March 10th as our release date for ample
            Oracle review time and pitching ahead of time.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>
            I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to elaborate on these
            items and any other Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen
            Orchestration). Is anyone assigned to write this yet?&nbsp;</div>
          <div><br>
            It would be useful to include a url to this blog in our
            release if possible.&nbsp;<br>
            <br>
            Thanks,<br>
            <br>
            --<br>
            Sarah Conway<br>
            PR Manager<br>
            The Linux Foundation<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Hi George,

Thanks for updating me.

I can include it as late as Sunday afternoon, March 9th. Does that work?

Thanks,


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:10 AM, George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com
> wrote:

>  I think the release coordinator (me) is basically responsible for
> writing up the blog.
>
> When do you need the URL by?
>
>  -George
>
>
> On 02/27/2014 03:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>  To keep the PR new release concise, I've removed the following features
> from that document:
>
>  1) Improved support for Xen Project sub-projects --  XAPI and Mirage OS,
> both written in OCaml and used in XenServer, rely on the OCaml language
> bindings to operate well. A major overhaul of the OCaml language bindings
> improve compatibility between XAPI, Mirage OS and Linux distributions.
>
> 2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration
>
> 3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub
>
> I'm targeting March 10th as our release date for ample Oracle review time
> and pitching ahead of time.
>
>  I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to elaborate on these items and any
> other Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen Orchestration). Is anyone
> assigned to write this yet?
>
> It would be useful to include a url to this blog in our release if
> possible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Sarah Conway
> PR Manager
> The Linux Foundation
> sconway@linuxfoundation.org
> (978) 578-5300  Cell
> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Publicity mailing listPublicity@lists.xenproject.orghttp://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity
>
>
>


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><div><br></div><div>I can include it as late as Sunday afternoon, March 9t=
h. Does that work?<br><br>Thanks,</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:10 AM, George Dun=
lap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex">

 =20
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    <div>I think the release coordinator (me) is
      basically responsible for writing up the blog.<br>
      <br>
      When do you need the URL by?<br>
      <br>
      =A0-George<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
      <br>
      On 02/27/2014 03:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
    </div></div></div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div class=3D"h5">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all,
        <div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>To keep the PR new release concise, I&#39;ve removed the
            following features from that document:=A0</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>1) Improved support for Xen Project sub-projects -- =A0XAPI
            and Mirage OS, both written in OCaml and used in XenServer,
            rely on the OCaml language bindings to operate well. A major
            overhaul of the OCaml language bindings improve
            compatibility between XAPI, Mirage OS and Linux
            distributions. =A0<br>
            <br>
            2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration<br>
            <br>
            3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub<br>
            <br>
            I&#39;m targeting March 10th as our release date for ample
            Oracle review time and pitching ahead of time.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>
            I know we&#39;re planning a 4.4 blog(s) to elaborate on these
            items and any other Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen
            Orchestration). Is anyone assigned to write this yet?=A0</div>
          <div><br>
            It would be useful to include a url to this blog in our
            release if possible.=A0<br>
            <br>
            Thanks,<br>
            <br>
            --<br>
            Sarah Conway<br>
            PR Manager<br>
            The Linux Foundation<br>
            <a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank=
">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
            <a href=3D"tel:%28978%29%20578-5300" value=3D"+19785785300" tar=
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Hi George,

Thanks for updating me.

I can include it as late as Sunday afternoon, March 9th. Does that work?

Thanks,


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:10 AM, George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com
> wrote:

>  I think the release coordinator (me) is basically responsible for
> writing up the blog.
>
> When do you need the URL by?
>
>  -George
>
>
> On 02/27/2014 03:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>  To keep the PR new release concise, I've removed the following features
> from that document:
>
>  1) Improved support for Xen Project sub-projects --  XAPI and Mirage OS,
> both written in OCaml and used in XenServer, rely on the OCaml language
> bindings to operate well. A major overhaul of the OCaml language bindings
> improve compatibility between XAPI, Mirage OS and Linux distributions.
>
> 2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration
>
> 3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub
>
> I'm targeting March 10th as our release date for ample Oracle review time
> and pitching ahead of time.
>
>  I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to elaborate on these items and any
> other Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen Orchestration). Is anyone
> assigned to write this yet?
>
> It would be useful to include a url to this blog in our release if
> possible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Sarah Conway
> PR Manager
> The Linux Foundation
> sconway@linuxfoundation.org
> (978) 578-5300  Cell
> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Publicity mailing listPublicity@lists.xenproject.orghttp://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity
>
>
>


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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi George,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for updating me.</div=
><div><br></div><div>I can include it as late as Sunday afternoon, March 9t=
h. Does that work?<br><br>Thanks,</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:10 AM, George Dun=
lap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><block=
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      basically responsible for writing up the blog.<br>
      <br>
      When do you need the URL by?<br>
      <br>
      =A0-George<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
      <br>
      On 02/27/2014 03:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
    </div></div></div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div class=3D"h5">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all,
        <div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>To keep the PR new release concise, I&#39;ve removed the
            following features from that document:=A0</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>1) Improved support for Xen Project sub-projects -- =A0XAPI
            and Mirage OS, both written in OCaml and used in XenServer,
            rely on the OCaml language bindings to operate well. A major
            overhaul of the OCaml language bindings improve
            compatibility between XAPI, Mirage OS and Linux
            distributions. =A0<br>
            <br>
            2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration<br>
            <br>
            3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub<br>
            <br>
            I&#39;m targeting March 10th as our release date for ample
            Oracle review time and pitching ahead of time.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>
            I know we&#39;re planning a 4.4 blog(s) to elaborate on these
            items and any other Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen
            Orchestration). Is anyone assigned to write this yet?=A0</div>
          <div><br>
            It would be useful to include a url to this blog in our
            release if possible.=A0<br>
            <br>
            Thanks,<br>
            <br>
            --<br>
            Sarah Conway<br>
            PR Manager<br>
            The Linux Foundation<br>
            <a href=3D"mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank=
">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
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Yes, I think that should be fine, I think.  I'll start writing it this 
afternoon, and hopefully wordpress will have a way to determine what the 
final link will actually look like. :-)

  -George

On 02/27/2014 03:16 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
> Hi George,
>
> Thanks for updating me.
>
> I can include it as late as Sunday afternoon, March 9th. Does that work?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:10 AM, George Dunlap 
> <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com <mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>> wrote:
>
>     I think the release coordinator (me) is basically responsible for
>     writing up the blog.
>
>     When do you need the URL by?
>
>      -George
>
>
>     On 02/27/2014 03:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>>     Hi all,
>>
>>     To keep the PR new release concise, I've removed the following
>>     features from that document:
>>
>>     1) Improved support for Xen Project sub-projects --  XAPI and
>>     Mirage OS, both written in OCaml and used in XenServer, rely on
>>     the OCaml language bindings to operate well. A major overhaul of
>>     the OCaml language bindings improve compatibility between XAPI,
>>     Mirage OS and Linux distributions.
>>
>>     2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration
>>
>>     3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub
>>
>>     I'm targeting March 10th as our release date for ample Oracle
>>     review time and pitching ahead of time.
>>
>>     I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to elaborate on these items
>>     and any other Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen
>>     Orchestration). Is anyone assigned to write this yet?
>>
>>     It would be useful to include a url to this blog in our release
>>     if possible.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>
>>     --
>>     Sarah Conway
>>     PR Manager
>>     The Linux Foundation
>>     sconway@linuxfoundation.org <mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org>
>>     (978) 578-5300 <tel:%28978%29%20578-5300>  Cell
>>     Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Sarah Conway
> PR Manager
> The Linux Foundation
> sconway@linuxfoundation.org <mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Yes, I think that should be fine, I
      think.&nbsp; I'll start writing it this afternoon, and hopefully
      wordpress will have a way to determine what the final link will
      actually look like. :-)<br>
      <br>
      &nbsp;-George<br>
      <br>
      On 02/27/2014 03:16 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAFm1QiAOiyv6hEYRBvVG2m8cE7CsoGQNv7pHWeV0P8wf1LuKww@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi George,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Thanks for updating me.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I can include it as late as Sunday afternoon, March 9th.
          Does that work?<br>
          <br>
          Thanks,</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:10 AM,
          George Dunlap <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target="_blank">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
              <div>I think the release coordinator (me) is basically
                responsible for writing up the blog.<br>
                <br>
                When do you need the URL by?<br>
                <br>
                &nbsp;-George
                <div>
                  <div class="h5"><br>
                    <br>
                    On 02/27/2014 03:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <blockquote type="cite">
                <div>
                  <div class="h5">
                    <div dir="ltr">Hi all,
                      <div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>To keep the PR new release concise, I've
                          removed the following features from that
                          document:&nbsp;</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>1) Improved support for Xen Project
                          sub-projects -- &nbsp;XAPI and Mirage OS, both
                          written in OCaml and used in XenServer, rely
                          on the OCaml language bindings to operate
                          well. A major overhaul of the OCaml language
                          bindings improve compatibility between XAPI,
                          Mirage OS and Linux distributions. &nbsp;<br>
                          <br>
                          2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration<br>
                          <br>
                          3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub<br>
                          <br>
                          I'm targeting March 10th as our release date
                          for ample Oracle review time and pitching
                          ahead of time.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div> I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to
                          elaborate on these items and any other
                          Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen
                          Orchestration). Is anyone assigned to write
                          this yet?&nbsp;</div>
                        <div><br>
                          It would be useful to include a url to this
                          blog in our release if possible.&nbsp;<br>
                          <br>
                          Thanks,<br>
                          <br>
                          --<br>
                          Sarah Conway<br>
                          PR Manager<br>
                          The Linux Foundation<br>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org"
                            target="_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="tel:%28978%29%20578-5300"
                            value="+19785785300" target="_blank">(978)
                            578-5300</a> &nbsp;Cell<br>
                          Skype: &nbsp;sarah.k.conway<br>
                          <div> </div>
                        </div>
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Yes, I think that should be fine, I think.  I'll start writing it this 
afternoon, and hopefully wordpress will have a way to determine what the 
final link will actually look like. :-)

  -George

On 02/27/2014 03:16 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
> Hi George,
>
> Thanks for updating me.
>
> I can include it as late as Sunday afternoon, March 9th. Does that work?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:10 AM, George Dunlap 
> <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com <mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>> wrote:
>
>     I think the release coordinator (me) is basically responsible for
>     writing up the blog.
>
>     When do you need the URL by?
>
>      -George
>
>
>     On 02/27/2014 03:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>>     Hi all,
>>
>>     To keep the PR new release concise, I've removed the following
>>     features from that document:
>>
>>     1) Improved support for Xen Project sub-projects --  XAPI and
>>     Mirage OS, both written in OCaml and used in XenServer, rely on
>>     the OCaml language bindings to operate well. A major overhaul of
>>     the OCaml language bindings improve compatibility between XAPI,
>>     Mirage OS and Linux distributions.
>>
>>     2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration
>>
>>     3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub
>>
>>     I'm targeting March 10th as our release date for ample Oracle
>>     review time and pitching ahead of time.
>>
>>     I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to elaborate on these items
>>     and any other Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen
>>     Orchestration). Is anyone assigned to write this yet?
>>
>>     It would be useful to include a url to this blog in our release
>>     if possible.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>
>>     --
>>     Sarah Conway
>>     PR Manager
>>     The Linux Foundation
>>     sconway@linuxfoundation.org <mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org>
>>     (978) 578-5300 <tel:%28978%29%20578-5300>  Cell
>>     Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> -- 
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> The Linux Foundation
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      think.&nbsp; I'll start writing it this afternoon, and hopefully
      wordpress will have a way to determine what the final link will
      actually look like. :-)<br>
      <br>
      &nbsp;-George<br>
      <br>
      On 02/27/2014 03:16 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAFm1QiAOiyv6hEYRBvVG2m8cE7CsoGQNv7pHWeV0P8wf1LuKww@mail.gmail.com"
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      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
        charset=ISO-8859-1">
      <div dir="ltr">Hi George,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Thanks for updating me.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I can include it as late as Sunday afternoon, March 9th.
          Does that work?<br>
          <br>
          Thanks,</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:10 AM,
          George Dunlap <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" target="_blank">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
              <div>I think the release coordinator (me) is basically
                responsible for writing up the blog.<br>
                <br>
                When do you need the URL by?<br>
                <br>
                &nbsp;-George
                <div>
                  <div class="h5"><br>
                    <br>
                    On 02/27/2014 03:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <blockquote type="cite">
                <div>
                  <div class="h5">
                    <div dir="ltr">Hi all,
                      <div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>To keep the PR new release concise, I've
                          removed the following features from that
                          document:&nbsp;</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>1) Improved support for Xen Project
                          sub-projects -- &nbsp;XAPI and Mirage OS, both
                          written in OCaml and used in XenServer, rely
                          on the OCaml language bindings to operate
                          well. A major overhaul of the OCaml language
                          bindings improve compatibility between XAPI,
                          Mirage OS and Linux distributions. &nbsp;<br>
                          <br>
                          2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration<br>
                          <br>
                          3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub<br>
                          <br>
                          I'm targeting March 10th as our release date
                          for ample Oracle review time and pitching
                          ahead of time.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div> I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to
                          elaborate on these items and any other
                          Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen
                          Orchestration). Is anyone assigned to write
                          this yet?&nbsp;</div>
                        <div><br>
                          It would be useful to include a url to this
                          blog in our release if possible.&nbsp;<br>
                          <br>
                          Thanks,<br>
                          <br>
                          --<br>
                          Sarah Conway<br>
                          PR Manager<br>
                          The Linux Foundation<br>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org"
                            target="_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
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BTW, I put the checklist wiki page into a Google doc so that we could 
more easily track what had been done, and who was responsible for the 
rest of it.

I basically have IanJ, Russ, Sarah, and myself as doing everything:  
(Request access)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ox2D7BKNpgN65XlAYXpXkz26XUb8hAPxcVBpqiVguWI

Russ, are you good to do all the website stuff marked on there?

  -George

On 02/27/2014 03:31 PM, George Dunlap wrote:
> Yes, I think that should be fine, I think.  I'll start writing it this 
> afternoon, and hopefully wordpress will have a way to determine what 
> the final link will actually look like. :-)
>
>  -George
>
> On 02/27/2014 03:16 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>> Hi George,
>>
>> Thanks for updating me.
>>
>> I can include it as late as Sunday afternoon, March 9th. Does that work?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:10 AM, George Dunlap 
>> <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com <mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     I think the release coordinator (me) is basically responsible for
>>     writing up the blog.
>>
>>     When do you need the URL by?
>>
>>      -George
>>
>>
>>     On 02/27/2014 03:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>>>     Hi all,
>>>
>>>     To keep the PR new release concise, I've removed the following
>>>     features from that document:
>>>
>>>     1) Improved support for Xen Project sub-projects --  XAPI and
>>>     Mirage OS, both written in OCaml and used in XenServer, rely on
>>>     the OCaml language bindings to operate well. A major overhaul of
>>>     the OCaml language bindings improve compatibility between XAPI,
>>>     Mirage OS and Linux distributions.
>>>
>>>     2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration
>>>
>>>     3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub
>>>
>>>     I'm targeting March 10th as our release date for ample Oracle
>>>     review time and pitching ahead of time.
>>>
>>>     I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to elaborate on these items
>>>     and any other Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen
>>>     Orchestration). Is anyone assigned to write this yet?
>>>
>>>     It would be useful to include a url to this blog in our release
>>>     if possible.
>>>
>>>     Thanks,
>>>
>>>     --
>>>     Sarah Conway
>>>     PR Manager
>>>     The Linux Foundation
>>>     sconway@linuxfoundation.org <mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org>
>>>     (978) 578-5300 <tel:%28978%29%20578-5300>  Cell
>>>     Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>>>
>>>
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     Publicity mailing list
>>>     Publicity@lists.xenproject.org  <mailto:Publicity@lists.xenproject.org>
>>>     http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Sarah Conway
>> PR Manager
>> The Linux Foundation
>> sconway@linuxfoundation.org <mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org>
>> (978) 578-5300  Cell
>> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>
>
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">BTW, I put the checklist wiki page into
      a Google doc so that we could more easily track what had been
      done, and who was responsible for the rest of it.<br>
      <br>
      I basically have IanJ, Russ, Sarah, and myself as doing
      everything:&nbsp; (Request access)<br>
      <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ox2D7BKNpgN65XlAYXpXkz26XUb8hAPxcVBpqiVguWI">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ox2D7BKNpgN65XlAYXpXkz26XUb8hAPxcVBpqiVguWI</a><br>
      <br>
      Russ, are you good to do all the website stuff marked on there?<br>
      <br>
      &nbsp;-George<br>
      <br>
      On 02/27/2014 03:31 PM, George Dunlap wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:530F5A46.9070404@eu.citrix.com" type="cite">
      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Yes, I think that should be fine, I
        think.&nbsp; I'll start writing it this afternoon, and hopefully
        wordpress will have a way to determine what the final link will
        actually look like. :-)<br>
        <br>
        &nbsp;-George<br>
        <br>
        On 02/27/2014 03:16 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
      </div>
      <blockquote
cite="mid:CAFm1QiAOiyv6hEYRBvVG2m8cE7CsoGQNv7pHWeV0P8wf1LuKww@mail.gmail.com"
        type="cite">
        <div dir="ltr">Hi George,
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Thanks for updating me.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>I can include it as late as Sunday afternoon, March 9th.
            Does that work?<br>
            <br>
            Thanks,</div>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
          <br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:10 AM,
            George Dunlap <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com"
                target="_blank">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt;</span>
            wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                <div>I think the release coordinator (me) is basically
                  responsible for writing up the blog.<br>
                  <br>
                  When do you need the URL by?<br>
                  <br>
                  &nbsp;-George
                  <div>
                    <div class="h5"><br>
                      <br>
                      On 02/27/2014 03:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div>
                    <div class="h5">
                      <div dir="ltr">Hi all,
                        <div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>To keep the PR new release concise, I've
                            removed the following features from that
                            document:&nbsp;</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>1) Improved support for Xen Project
                            sub-projects -- &nbsp;XAPI and Mirage OS, both
                            written in OCaml and used in XenServer, rely
                            on the OCaml language bindings to operate
                            well. A major overhaul of the OCaml language
                            bindings improve compatibility between XAPI,
                            Mirage OS and Linux distributions. &nbsp;<br>
                            <br>
                            2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration<br>
                            <br>
                            3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream
                            grub<br>
                            <br>
                            I'm targeting March 10th as our release date
                            for ample Oracle review time and pitching
                            ahead of time.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div> I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to
                            elaborate on these items and any other
                            Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen
                            Orchestration). Is anyone assigned to write
                            this yet?&nbsp;</div>
                          <div><br>
                            It would be useful to include a url to this
                            blog in our release if possible.&nbsp;<br>
                            <br>
                            Thanks,<br>
                            <br>
                            --<br>
                            Sarah Conway<br>
                            PR Manager<br>
                            The Linux Foundation<br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org"
                              target="_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="tel:%28978%29%20578-5300"
                              value="+19785785300" target="_blank">(978)
                              578-5300</a> &nbsp;Cell<br>
                            Skype: &nbsp;sarah.k.conway<br>
                            <div> </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <br>
                      <fieldset></fieldset>
                      <br>
                    </div>
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          <br clear="all">
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          </div>
          -- <br>
          <div dir="ltr">
            <div>Sarah Conway<br>
            </div>
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            <div>The Linux Foundation<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org"
                target="_blank">sconway@linuxfoundation.org</a></div>
            <div>(978) 578-5300 &nbsp;Cell</div>
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BTW, I put the checklist wiki page into a Google doc so that we could 
more easily track what had been done, and who was responsible for the 
rest of it.

I basically have IanJ, Russ, Sarah, and myself as doing everything:  
(Request access)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ox2D7BKNpgN65XlAYXpXkz26XUb8hAPxcVBpqiVguWI

Russ, are you good to do all the website stuff marked on there?

  -George

On 02/27/2014 03:31 PM, George Dunlap wrote:
> Yes, I think that should be fine, I think.  I'll start writing it this 
> afternoon, and hopefully wordpress will have a way to determine what 
> the final link will actually look like. :-)
>
>  -George
>
> On 02/27/2014 03:16 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>> Hi George,
>>
>> Thanks for updating me.
>>
>> I can include it as late as Sunday afternoon, March 9th. Does that work?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:10 AM, George Dunlap 
>> <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com <mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     I think the release coordinator (me) is basically responsible for
>>     writing up the blog.
>>
>>     When do you need the URL by?
>>
>>      -George
>>
>>
>>     On 02/27/2014 03:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>>>     Hi all,
>>>
>>>     To keep the PR new release concise, I've removed the following
>>>     features from that document:
>>>
>>>     1) Improved support for Xen Project sub-projects --  XAPI and
>>>     Mirage OS, both written in OCaml and used in XenServer, rely on
>>>     the OCaml language bindings to operate well. A major overhaul of
>>>     the OCaml language bindings improve compatibility between XAPI,
>>>     Mirage OS and Linux distributions.
>>>
>>>     2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration
>>>
>>>     3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub
>>>
>>>     I'm targeting March 10th as our release date for ample Oracle
>>>     review time and pitching ahead of time.
>>>
>>>     I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to elaborate on these items
>>>     and any other Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen
>>>     Orchestration). Is anyone assigned to write this yet?
>>>
>>>     It would be useful to include a url to this blog in our release
>>>     if possible.
>>>
>>>     Thanks,
>>>
>>>     --
>>>     Sarah Conway
>>>     PR Manager
>>>     The Linux Foundation
>>>     sconway@linuxfoundation.org <mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org>
>>>     (978) 578-5300 <tel:%28978%29%20578-5300>  Cell
>>>     Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>>>
>>>
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     Publicity mailing list
>>>     Publicity@lists.xenproject.org  <mailto:Publicity@lists.xenproject.org>
>>>     http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Sarah Conway
>> PR Manager
>> The Linux Foundation
>> sconway@linuxfoundation.org <mailto:sconway@linuxfoundation.org>
>> (978) 578-5300  Cell
>> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">BTW, I put the checklist wiki page into
      a Google doc so that we could more easily track what had been
      done, and who was responsible for the rest of it.<br>
      <br>
      I basically have IanJ, Russ, Sarah, and myself as doing
      everything:&nbsp; (Request access)<br>
      <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ox2D7BKNpgN65XlAYXpXkz26XUb8hAPxcVBpqiVguWI">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ox2D7BKNpgN65XlAYXpXkz26XUb8hAPxcVBpqiVguWI</a><br>
      <br>
      Russ, are you good to do all the website stuff marked on there?<br>
      <br>
      &nbsp;-George<br>
      <br>
      On 02/27/2014 03:31 PM, George Dunlap wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:530F5A46.9070404@eu.citrix.com" type="cite">
      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
        charset=ISO-8859-1">
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Yes, I think that should be fine, I
        think.&nbsp; I'll start writing it this afternoon, and hopefully
        wordpress will have a way to determine what the final link will
        actually look like. :-)<br>
        <br>
        &nbsp;-George<br>
        <br>
        On 02/27/2014 03:16 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
      </div>
      <blockquote
cite="mid:CAFm1QiAOiyv6hEYRBvVG2m8cE7CsoGQNv7pHWeV0P8wf1LuKww@mail.gmail.com"
        type="cite">
        <div dir="ltr">Hi George,
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Thanks for updating me.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>I can include it as late as Sunday afternoon, March 9th.
            Does that work?<br>
            <br>
            Thanks,</div>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
          <br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:10 AM,
            George Dunlap <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com"
                target="_blank">george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com</a>&gt;</span>
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            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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                <div>I think the release coordinator (me) is basically
                  responsible for writing up the blog.<br>
                  <br>
                  When do you need the URL by?<br>
                  <br>
                  &nbsp;-George
                  <div>
                    <div class="h5"><br>
                      <br>
                      On 02/27/2014 03:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:<br>
                    </div>
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                    <div class="h5">
                      <div dir="ltr">Hi all,
                        <div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>To keep the PR new release concise, I've
                            removed the following features from that
                            document:&nbsp;</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>1) Improved support for Xen Project
                            sub-projects -- &nbsp;XAPI and Mirage OS, both
                            written in OCaml and used in XenServer, rely
                            on the OCaml language bindings to operate
                            well. A major overhaul of the OCaml language
                            bindings improve compatibility between XAPI,
                            Mirage OS and Linux distributions. &nbsp;<br>
                            <br>
                            2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration<br>
                            <br>
                            3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream
                            grub<br>
                            <br>
                            I'm targeting March 10th as our release date
                            for ample Oracle review time and pitching
                            ahead of time.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div> I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to
                            elaborate on these items and any other
                            Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen
                            Orchestration). Is anyone assigned to write
                            this yet?&nbsp;</div>
                          <div><br>
                            It would be useful to include a url to this
                            blog in our release if possible.&nbsp;<br>
                            <br>
                            Thanks,<br>
                            <br>
                            --<br>
                            Sarah Conway<br>
                            PR Manager<br>
                            The Linux Foundation<br>
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                            Skype: &nbsp;sarah.k.conway<br>
                            <div> </div>
                          </div>
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            <div>The Linux Foundation<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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George,

I should be able to get all the website stuff done.

Thanks,

Russ

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:31 PM, George Dunlap
<george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> BTW, I put the checklist wiki page into a Google doc so that we could more
> easily track what had been done, and who was responsible for the rest of it.
>
> I basically have IanJ, Russ, Sarah, and myself as doing everything:
> (Request access)
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ox2D7BKNpgN65XlAYXpXkz26XUb8hAPxcVBpqiVguWI
>
> Russ, are you good to do all the website stuff marked on there?
>
>  -George
>
>
> On 02/27/2014 03:31 PM, George Dunlap wrote:
>
> Yes, I think that should be fine, I think.  I'll start writing it this
> afternoon, and hopefully wordpress will have a way to determine what the
> final link will actually look like. :-)
>
>  -George
>
> On 02/27/2014 03:16 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>
> Hi George,
>
> Thanks for updating me.
>
> I can include it as late as Sunday afternoon, March 9th. Does that work?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:10 AM, George Dunlap
> <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think the release coordinator (me) is basically responsible for writing
>> up the blog.
>>
>> When do you need the URL by?
>>
>>  -George
>>
>>
>> On 02/27/2014 03:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> To keep the PR new release concise, I've removed the following features
>> from that document:
>>
>> 1) Improved support for Xen Project sub-projects --  XAPI and Mirage OS,
>> both written in OCaml and used in XenServer, rely on the OCaml language
>> bindings to operate well. A major overhaul of the OCaml language bindings
>> improve compatibility between XAPI, Mirage OS and Linux distributions.
>>
>> 2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration
>>
>> 3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub
>>
>> I'm targeting March 10th as our release date for ample Oracle review time
>> and pitching ahead of time.
>>
>> I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to elaborate on these items and any
>> other Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen Orchestration). Is anyone
>> assigned to write this yet?
>>
>> It would be useful to include a url to this blog in our release if
>> possible.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> Sarah Conway
>> PR Manager
>> The Linux Foundation
>> sconway@linuxfoundation.org
>> (978) 578-5300  Cell
>> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
>
> --
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> The Linux Foundation
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> (978) 578-5300  Cell
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>
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George,

I should be able to get all the website stuff done.

Thanks,

Russ

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:31 PM, George Dunlap
<george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> BTW, I put the checklist wiki page into a Google doc so that we could more
> easily track what had been done, and who was responsible for the rest of it.
>
> I basically have IanJ, Russ, Sarah, and myself as doing everything:
> (Request access)
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ox2D7BKNpgN65XlAYXpXkz26XUb8hAPxcVBpqiVguWI
>
> Russ, are you good to do all the website stuff marked on there?
>
>  -George
>
>
> On 02/27/2014 03:31 PM, George Dunlap wrote:
>
> Yes, I think that should be fine, I think.  I'll start writing it this
> afternoon, and hopefully wordpress will have a way to determine what the
> final link will actually look like. :-)
>
>  -George
>
> On 02/27/2014 03:16 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>
> Hi George,
>
> Thanks for updating me.
>
> I can include it as late as Sunday afternoon, March 9th. Does that work?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:10 AM, George Dunlap
> <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think the release coordinator (me) is basically responsible for writing
>> up the blog.
>>
>> When do you need the URL by?
>>
>>  -George
>>
>>
>> On 02/27/2014 03:08 PM, Sarah Conway wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> To keep the PR new release concise, I've removed the following features
>> from that document:
>>
>> 1) Improved support for Xen Project sub-projects --  XAPI and Mirage OS,
>> both written in OCaml and used in XenServer, rely on the OCaml language
>> bindings to operate well. A major overhaul of the OCaml language bindings
>> improve compatibility between XAPI, Mirage OS and Linux distributions.
>>
>> 2) GlusterFS/Xen Integration
>>
>> 3) The bootable PV Xen image in upstream grub
>>
>> I'm targeting March 10th as our release date for ample Oracle review time
>> and pitching ahead of time.
>>
>> I know we're planning a 4.4 blog(s) to elaborate on these items and any
>> other Xen-related features/updates (ie. Xen Orchestration). Is anyone
>> assigned to write this yet?
>>
>> It would be useful to include a url to this blog in our release if
>> possible.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> Sarah Conway
>> PR Manager
>> The Linux Foundation
>> sconway@linuxfoundation.org
>> (978) 578-5300  Cell
>> Skype:  sarah.k.conway
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Publicity mailing list
>> Publicity@lists.xenproject.org
>> http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sarah Conway
> PR Manager
> The Linux Foundation
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