From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Mon Aug 03 12:32:44 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 12:32:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMEv5-000440-Vk; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 12:32:43 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZLWfK-0008HS-6g for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Sat, 01 Aug 2015 13:17:30 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-4.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 47/28-09570-8E6CCB55; Sat, 01 Aug 2015 13:17:28 +0000 X-Env-Sender: pooka@iki.fi X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438435045!31402809!1 X-Originating-IP: [130.233.192.7] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests= X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 16459 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2015 13:17:25 -0000 Received: from mail.cs.hut.fi (HELO mail.cs.hut.fi) (130.233.192.7) by server-3.tower-31.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 1 Aug 2015 13:17:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mannerheim.cs.hut.fi [130.233.193.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.hut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FFAB1DE3C; Sat, 1 Aug 2015 16:17:24 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 13:17:23 +0000 From: Antti Kantee MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anil Madhavapeddy References: <55B96E2E.90203@iki.fi> In-Reply-To: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 12:32:43 +0000 Cc: Martin Lucina , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] rump kernel and Rumprun unikernel proposed post X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [added mato to cc] On 31/07/15 17:27, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > (Thanks Russ for sorting out my login) > > Great post! Some quick thoughts from vacation: > > - In the "the goal of rump was not unikernels", it might be worth pointing out that Rump provides a long term baseline for other unikernel projects that have been focussing on the high level structure. For example, Martin's work on Mirage+rump now lets us slowly deprecate the old MiniOS runtime in favour of Rump, and get KVM and baremetal support in addition to Xen, and focus on the "new horizons" rather than low level device driver hackery. Hmm, I wonder if I can succinctly work that in. I think I should stress that the idea to is to provide a proper architecture so that projects using rump kernels don't need to fork their own copies, and encourage discussion if the architecture or implementation falls short of someone's needs. Forking is nice for a quick thrill, but when you hit the maintenance stage it's suddenly not so fun. I assume that Martin will write about "Mirump" in detail himself, but I guess I can mention it to strengthen the above argument. Would something in the order of "yaddayadda... the MirageOS unikernel has already started taking advantage of this feature [Martin Lucina]" be appropriate? Plus a link to: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.mirage.devel/954 > - Link to the third-party applications Rump github repo? ah, definitely. > - A TL;DR with some hrefs into the rump kernel book on some of the terminology would be useful for the more casual reader. You mention in one blog post -- rump kernel, unikernel and anykernel -- quite a lot to take in one post :) Your FOSDEM 2013 interview on the topic is good: https://archive.fosdem.org/2013/interviews/2013-antii-kantee/ or your New Directions in Operating Systems 2014 talk. The problem with the tl;dr is that it's hard to explain things to a global audience when I don't know what their *assumptions* are and which specific piece they are interested in -- even though the pieces are bite-sized, there's a lot of them. Mini-anecdote: it took years for people to stop saying "oh you've reinvented FUSE". So, the book is the only thing I trust to explain things in a hard-to-misassume way. But I'll add some tl;dr if I can figure out what to add. I'll see if I can somehow remove "anykernel". My in-house reviewer complained about that as well. The problem is that I doubt the figure works if "anykernel" is not there, so I need to think of something else. > - if you have time, linking to the xen-devel mailing list posts from the archives would be really useful. There were some great threads there that you reference. Ah, right, there was the thread where Ian Jackson got so excited that he forgot that the other Ian wasn't Ian Jackson. I'll see if the thread is useful. Most of the interesting discussion may have been in private email :( > - nowhere does the article mention what sort of existing applications rump kernels are bad at -- worth mentioning that fork-heavy applications don't do so well? Might be out of scope. I won't say that rump kernels have issues with fork because that's not true. Rump kernels work perfectly with fork+exec *if the underlying system supports it*. Rump kernels do not provide you with fork or exec because I don't consider fork or exec to be protocol translators (a.k.a. drivers). However, rump kernels do support *the application* performing fork or exec. Same goes for mmap. If you mean the Rumprun unikernel, which is the one example of an underlying system which does not do VM, then yes. But, as you can gather from above, the discussion on the topic gets convoluted quickly, and will confuse more than clarify unless I spend several paragraphs on it. So, I think it's better that people read the book if they really want to understand. The only thing that I can think of which really doesn't fit into the rump kernel model of splitting execution and [POSIX] drivers is signals. But we'll soon have to figure out how to cram that in. I actually sort of have a plan for that already, but just need to brave enough to try to implement it -- it requires touching the rump kernel CPU scheduler, and I'm very afraid of that code. > - As a random aside, 2007 seems to have been the year that lots of projects started. I remember sitting in a room in Cambridge with Andrew Tolmach and Adam Wick in Jan 2007 and using MiniOS to create the first Mirage and HalVM kernels with networking (just ethernet) as well. Trying to dig out an online reference to that meeting -- ISTR we had a photo of the whiteboard somewhere! Hahaa, "commit early, commit often" saved me there. I think this was the first sketch of the mtools "unikernel" which ran both on NetBSD and Linux (not that the infrastructure is strictly speaking that of a unikernel, but anyway): http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/~checkout~/src/sys/rump/fs/bin/fsconsole/Attic/fsconsole.c?rev=1.4&content-type=text/plain And, urgh, handwritten syscall handlers and namei (ukfs). I don't want to go back there. Though, ukfs displays the quintessential philosophy of rump kernels: either figure out how to use existing code unmodified, or massively simplify it for the case at hand; port-by-copypaste (forking) is evil. The problem with ukfs was that syscall handlers and namei are complex because they're complex, so it wasn't possible to simplify them and still have them, well, work (like really work, not just superficially work). So the ukfs experiment failed, c'est la research, and I later figured out how to include the unmodified counterparts. Anyway, got a bit sidetracked. I'll send a ping to the list once I've finished editing everyone's suggestions in. Might be a few days. - antti _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Mon Aug 03 12:32:44 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 12:32:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMEv5-000440-Vk; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 12:32:43 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZLWfK-0008HS-6g for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Sat, 01 Aug 2015 13:17:30 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-4.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 47/28-09570-8E6CCB55; Sat, 01 Aug 2015 13:17:28 +0000 X-Env-Sender: pooka@iki.fi X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438435045!31402809!1 X-Originating-IP: [130.233.192.7] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests= X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 16459 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2015 13:17:25 -0000 Received: from mail.cs.hut.fi (HELO mail.cs.hut.fi) (130.233.192.7) by server-3.tower-31.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 1 Aug 2015 13:17:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mannerheim.cs.hut.fi [130.233.193.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.hut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FFAB1DE3C; Sat, 1 Aug 2015 16:17:24 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 13:17:23 +0000 From: Antti Kantee MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anil Madhavapeddy References: <55B96E2E.90203@iki.fi> In-Reply-To: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 12:32:43 +0000 Cc: Martin Lucina , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] rump kernel and Rumprun unikernel proposed post X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [added mato to cc] On 31/07/15 17:27, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > (Thanks Russ for sorting out my login) > > Great post! Some quick thoughts from vacation: > > - In the "the goal of rump was not unikernels", it might be worth pointing out that Rump provides a long term baseline for other unikernel projects that have been focussing on the high level structure. For example, Martin's work on Mirage+rump now lets us slowly deprecate the old MiniOS runtime in favour of Rump, and get KVM and baremetal support in addition to Xen, and focus on the "new horizons" rather than low level device driver hackery. Hmm, I wonder if I can succinctly work that in. I think I should stress that the idea to is to provide a proper architecture so that projects using rump kernels don't need to fork their own copies, and encourage discussion if the architecture or implementation falls short of someone's needs. Forking is nice for a quick thrill, but when you hit the maintenance stage it's suddenly not so fun. I assume that Martin will write about "Mirump" in detail himself, but I guess I can mention it to strengthen the above argument. Would something in the order of "yaddayadda... the MirageOS unikernel has already started taking advantage of this feature [Martin Lucina]" be appropriate? Plus a link to: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.mirage.devel/954 > - Link to the third-party applications Rump github repo? ah, definitely. > - A TL;DR with some hrefs into the rump kernel book on some of the terminology would be useful for the more casual reader. You mention in one blog post -- rump kernel, unikernel and anykernel -- quite a lot to take in one post :) Your FOSDEM 2013 interview on the topic is good: https://archive.fosdem.org/2013/interviews/2013-antii-kantee/ or your New Directions in Operating Systems 2014 talk. The problem with the tl;dr is that it's hard to explain things to a global audience when I don't know what their *assumptions* are and which specific piece they are interested in -- even though the pieces are bite-sized, there's a lot of them. Mini-anecdote: it took years for people to stop saying "oh you've reinvented FUSE". So, the book is the only thing I trust to explain things in a hard-to-misassume way. But I'll add some tl;dr if I can figure out what to add. I'll see if I can somehow remove "anykernel". My in-house reviewer complained about that as well. The problem is that I doubt the figure works if "anykernel" is not there, so I need to think of something else. > - if you have time, linking to the xen-devel mailing list posts from the archives would be really useful. There were some great threads there that you reference. Ah, right, there was the thread where Ian Jackson got so excited that he forgot that the other Ian wasn't Ian Jackson. I'll see if the thread is useful. Most of the interesting discussion may have been in private email :( > - nowhere does the article mention what sort of existing applications rump kernels are bad at -- worth mentioning that fork-heavy applications don't do so well? Might be out of scope. I won't say that rump kernels have issues with fork because that's not true. Rump kernels work perfectly with fork+exec *if the underlying system supports it*. Rump kernels do not provide you with fork or exec because I don't consider fork or exec to be protocol translators (a.k.a. drivers). However, rump kernels do support *the application* performing fork or exec. Same goes for mmap. If you mean the Rumprun unikernel, which is the one example of an underlying system which does not do VM, then yes. But, as you can gather from above, the discussion on the topic gets convoluted quickly, and will confuse more than clarify unless I spend several paragraphs on it. So, I think it's better that people read the book if they really want to understand. The only thing that I can think of which really doesn't fit into the rump kernel model of splitting execution and [POSIX] drivers is signals. But we'll soon have to figure out how to cram that in. I actually sort of have a plan for that already, but just need to brave enough to try to implement it -- it requires touching the rump kernel CPU scheduler, and I'm very afraid of that code. > - As a random aside, 2007 seems to have been the year that lots of projects started. I remember sitting in a room in Cambridge with Andrew Tolmach and Adam Wick in Jan 2007 and using MiniOS to create the first Mirage and HalVM kernels with networking (just ethernet) as well. Trying to dig out an online reference to that meeting -- ISTR we had a photo of the whiteboard somewhere! Hahaa, "commit early, commit often" saved me there. I think this was the first sketch of the mtools "unikernel" which ran both on NetBSD and Linux (not that the infrastructure is strictly speaking that of a unikernel, but anyway): http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/~checkout~/src/sys/rump/fs/bin/fsconsole/Attic/fsconsole.c?rev=1.4&content-type=text/plain And, urgh, handwritten syscall handlers and namei (ukfs). I don't want to go back there. Though, ukfs displays the quintessential philosophy of rump kernels: either figure out how to use existing code unmodified, or massively simplify it for the case at hand; port-by-copypaste (forking) is evil. The problem with ukfs was that syscall handlers and namei are complex because they're complex, so it wasn't possible to simplify them and still have them, well, work (like really work, not just superficially work). So the ukfs experiment failed, c'est la research, and I later figured out how to include the unmodified counterparts. Anyway, got a bit sidetracked. I'll send a ping to the list once I've finished editing everyone's suggestions in. Might be a few days. - antti _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Mon Aug 03 13:51:18 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 13:51:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMG97-0001Q5-RJ; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 13:51:17 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMG97-0001Q0-4a for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 13:51:17 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-6.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id FB/AF-29649-4D17FB55; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 13:51:16 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438609874!31863922!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.212.178] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests= X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 13879 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2015 13:51:14 -0000 Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (HELO mail-wi0-f178.google.com) (209.85.212.178) by server-3.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 3 Aug 2015 13:51:14 -0000 Received: by wicgj17 with SMTP id gj17so106509609wic.1 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 06:51:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=S1FU84yv370dP9+fvfh0R8IzR87X50YY9BlviwF7938=; b=vfsYg87L3WyQLPT/oC21bbukRrhb94Hs5Ajtv+tEYETdu3QnX7hy3ZWtBUzMCH6LuP h62mMlUZFg3xuKXMaYu9rmIPXxfK1v79YN3uWDdKDkEPCL3p5db3JaZGxITZ9QAcfnJV QC2nUOb2lbYQMX9xzx+cXjDrMEASCiLdsNsEl7xNoAV7VVT72iVIMryDZNX/iIPNvp1+ WShDF/Vs0Sq88X++hhvX5nIoj2OYcuiAP1jr4U7tb43zz1+Bc/KdZbQQqoXNiClqGHI4 2gnxp3MFnwKrCH6r7rOA4P/HYrouqKZV9PkQdJgF6YqsUENlpBEdvsDCs1K92whq4a4D ZVhQ== X-Received: by 10.194.87.102 with SMTP id w6mr32748096wjz.111.1438609874513; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 06:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (97e55056.skybroadband.com. [151.229.80.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ib9sm23057843wjb.2.2015.08.03.06.51.13 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 03 Aug 2015 06:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) From: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:51:12 +0100 Message-Id: References: <55B96E2E.90203@iki.fi> <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> To: Antti Kantee X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Cc: Martin Lucina , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] rump kernel and Rumprun unikernel proposed post X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org I agree with Antti, that keeping it simple is the best approach I think we should add URL's almost everwhere where there is a reference marked by [...], e.g. http://luajit.org/, etc. - I can add these, but I don't want to edit the post at the same time as Antii > Might be a few days. I would like to publish on Thursday or Friday, such that we get this out before other announcements planned for next week (although I can discuss with Sarah to move a video post planned for next week towards the end of this week) Lars > On 1 Aug 2015, at 14:17, Antti Kantee wrote: > > [added mato to cc] > > On 31/07/15 17:27, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: >> (Thanks Russ for sorting out my login) >> >> Great post! Some quick thoughts from vacation: >> >> - In the "the goal of rump was not unikernels", it might be worth pointing out that Rump provides a long term baseline for other unikernel projects that have been focussing on the high level structure. For example, Martin's work on Mirage+rump now lets us slowly deprecate the old MiniOS runtime in favour of Rump, and get KVM and baremetal support in addition to Xen, and focus on the "new horizons" rather than low level device driver hackery. > > Hmm, I wonder if I can succinctly work that in. I think I should stress that the idea to is to provide a proper architecture so that projects using rump kernels don't need to fork their own copies, and encourage discussion if the architecture or implementation falls short of someone's needs. Forking is nice for a quick thrill, but when you hit the maintenance stage it's suddenly not so fun. > > I assume that Martin will write about "Mirump" in detail himself, but I guess I can mention it to strengthen the above argument. Would something in the order of "yaddayadda... the MirageOS unikernel has already started taking advantage of this feature [Martin Lucina]" be appropriate? Plus a link to: > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.mirage.devel/954 > >> - Link to the third-party applications Rump github repo? > > ah, definitely. > >> - A TL;DR with some hrefs into the rump kernel book on some of the terminology would be useful for the more casual reader. You mention in one blog post -- rump kernel, unikernel and anykernel -- quite a lot to take in one post :) Your FOSDEM 2013 interview on the topic is good: https://archive.fosdem.org/2013/interviews/2013-antii-kantee/ or your New Directions in Operating Systems 2014 talk. > > The problem with the tl;dr is that it's hard to explain things to a global audience when I don't know what their *assumptions* are and which specific piece they are interested in -- even though the pieces are bite-sized, there's a lot of them. Mini-anecdote: it took years for people to stop saying "oh you've reinvented FUSE". So, the book is the only thing I trust to explain things in a hard-to-misassume way. But I'll add some tl;dr if I can figure out what to add. > > I'll see if I can somehow remove "anykernel". My in-house reviewer complained about that as well. The problem is that I doubt the figure works if "anykernel" is not there, so I need to think of something else. > >> - if you have time, linking to the xen-devel mailing list posts from the archives would be really useful. There were some great threads there that you reference. > > Ah, right, there was the thread where Ian Jackson got so excited that he forgot that the other Ian wasn't Ian Jackson. I'll see if the thread is useful. Most of the interesting discussion may have been in private email :( > >> - nowhere does the article mention what sort of existing applications rump kernels are bad at -- worth mentioning that fork-heavy applications don't do so well? Might be out of scope. > > I won't say that rump kernels have issues with fork because that's not true. Rump kernels work perfectly with fork+exec *if the underlying system supports it*. Rump kernels do not provide you with fork or exec because I don't consider fork or exec to be protocol translators (a.k.a. drivers). However, rump kernels do support *the application* performing fork or exec. Same goes for mmap. > > If you mean the Rumprun unikernel, which is the one example of an underlying system which does not do VM, then yes. But, as you can gather from above, the discussion on the topic gets convoluted quickly, and will confuse more than clarify unless I spend several paragraphs on it. So, I think it's better that people read the book if they really want to understand. > > The only thing that I can think of which really doesn't fit into the rump kernel model of splitting execution and [POSIX] drivers is signals. But we'll soon have to figure out how to cram that in. I actually sort of have a plan for that already, but just need to brave enough to try to implement it -- it requires touching the rump kernel CPU scheduler, and I'm very afraid of that code. > >> - As a random aside, 2007 seems to have been the year that lots of projects started. I remember sitting in a room in Cambridge with Andrew Tolmach and Adam Wick in Jan 2007 and using MiniOS to create the first Mirage and HalVM kernels with networking (just ethernet) as well. Trying to dig out an online reference to that meeting -- ISTR we had a photo of the whiteboard somewhere! > > Hahaa, "commit early, commit often" saved me there. I think this was the first sketch of the mtools "unikernel" which ran both on NetBSD and Linux (not that the infrastructure is strictly speaking that of a unikernel, but anyway): > > http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/~checkout~/src/sys/rump/fs/bin/fsconsole/Attic/fsconsole.c?rev=1.4&content-type=text/plain > > And, urgh, handwritten syscall handlers and namei (ukfs). I don't want to go back there. Though, ukfs displays the quintessential philosophy of rump kernels: either figure out how to use existing code unmodified, or massively simplify it for the case at hand; port-by-copypaste (forking) is evil. The problem with ukfs was that syscall handlers and namei are complex because they're complex, so it wasn't possible to simplify them and still have them, well, work (like really work, not just superficially work). So the ukfs experiment failed, c'est la research, and I later figured out how to include the unmodified counterparts. > > > Anyway, got a bit sidetracked. I'll send a ping to the list once I've finished editing everyone's suggestions in. Might be a few days. > > - antti > > _______________________________________________ > Publicity mailing list > Publicity@lists.xenproject.org > http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Mon Aug 03 13:51:18 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 13:51:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMG97-0001Q5-RJ; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 13:51:17 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMG97-0001Q0-4a for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 13:51:17 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-6.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id FB/AF-29649-4D17FB55; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 13:51:16 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438609874!31863922!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.212.178] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests= X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 13879 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2015 13:51:14 -0000 Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (HELO mail-wi0-f178.google.com) (209.85.212.178) by server-3.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 3 Aug 2015 13:51:14 -0000 Received: by wicgj17 with SMTP id gj17so106509609wic.1 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 06:51:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=S1FU84yv370dP9+fvfh0R8IzR87X50YY9BlviwF7938=; b=vfsYg87L3WyQLPT/oC21bbukRrhb94Hs5Ajtv+tEYETdu3QnX7hy3ZWtBUzMCH6LuP h62mMlUZFg3xuKXMaYu9rmIPXxfK1v79YN3uWDdKDkEPCL3p5db3JaZGxITZ9QAcfnJV QC2nUOb2lbYQMX9xzx+cXjDrMEASCiLdsNsEl7xNoAV7VVT72iVIMryDZNX/iIPNvp1+ WShDF/Vs0Sq88X++hhvX5nIoj2OYcuiAP1jr4U7tb43zz1+Bc/KdZbQQqoXNiClqGHI4 2gnxp3MFnwKrCH6r7rOA4P/HYrouqKZV9PkQdJgF6YqsUENlpBEdvsDCs1K92whq4a4D ZVhQ== X-Received: by 10.194.87.102 with SMTP id w6mr32748096wjz.111.1438609874513; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 06:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (97e55056.skybroadband.com. [151.229.80.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ib9sm23057843wjb.2.2015.08.03.06.51.13 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 03 Aug 2015 06:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) From: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:51:12 +0100 Message-Id: References: <55B96E2E.90203@iki.fi> <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> To: Antti Kantee X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Cc: Martin Lucina , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] rump kernel and Rumprun unikernel proposed post X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org I agree with Antti, that keeping it simple is the best approach I think we should add URL's almost everwhere where there is a reference marked by [...], e.g. http://luajit.org/, etc. - I can add these, but I don't want to edit the post at the same time as Antii > Might be a few days. I would like to publish on Thursday or Friday, such that we get this out before other announcements planned for next week (although I can discuss with Sarah to move a video post planned for next week towards the end of this week) Lars > On 1 Aug 2015, at 14:17, Antti Kantee wrote: > > [added mato to cc] > > On 31/07/15 17:27, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: >> (Thanks Russ for sorting out my login) >> >> Great post! Some quick thoughts from vacation: >> >> - In the "the goal of rump was not unikernels", it might be worth pointing out that Rump provides a long term baseline for other unikernel projects that have been focussing on the high level structure. For example, Martin's work on Mirage+rump now lets us slowly deprecate the old MiniOS runtime in favour of Rump, and get KVM and baremetal support in addition to Xen, and focus on the "new horizons" rather than low level device driver hackery. > > Hmm, I wonder if I can succinctly work that in. I think I should stress that the idea to is to provide a proper architecture so that projects using rump kernels don't need to fork their own copies, and encourage discussion if the architecture or implementation falls short of someone's needs. Forking is nice for a quick thrill, but when you hit the maintenance stage it's suddenly not so fun. > > I assume that Martin will write about "Mirump" in detail himself, but I guess I can mention it to strengthen the above argument. Would something in the order of "yaddayadda... the MirageOS unikernel has already started taking advantage of this feature [Martin Lucina]" be appropriate? Plus a link to: > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.mirage.devel/954 > >> - Link to the third-party applications Rump github repo? > > ah, definitely. > >> - A TL;DR with some hrefs into the rump kernel book on some of the terminology would be useful for the more casual reader. You mention in one blog post -- rump kernel, unikernel and anykernel -- quite a lot to take in one post :) Your FOSDEM 2013 interview on the topic is good: https://archive.fosdem.org/2013/interviews/2013-antii-kantee/ or your New Directions in Operating Systems 2014 talk. > > The problem with the tl;dr is that it's hard to explain things to a global audience when I don't know what their *assumptions* are and which specific piece they are interested in -- even though the pieces are bite-sized, there's a lot of them. Mini-anecdote: it took years for people to stop saying "oh you've reinvented FUSE". So, the book is the only thing I trust to explain things in a hard-to-misassume way. But I'll add some tl;dr if I can figure out what to add. > > I'll see if I can somehow remove "anykernel". My in-house reviewer complained about that as well. The problem is that I doubt the figure works if "anykernel" is not there, so I need to think of something else. > >> - if you have time, linking to the xen-devel mailing list posts from the archives would be really useful. There were some great threads there that you reference. > > Ah, right, there was the thread where Ian Jackson got so excited that he forgot that the other Ian wasn't Ian Jackson. I'll see if the thread is useful. Most of the interesting discussion may have been in private email :( > >> - nowhere does the article mention what sort of existing applications rump kernels are bad at -- worth mentioning that fork-heavy applications don't do so well? Might be out of scope. > > I won't say that rump kernels have issues with fork because that's not true. Rump kernels work perfectly with fork+exec *if the underlying system supports it*. Rump kernels do not provide you with fork or exec because I don't consider fork or exec to be protocol translators (a.k.a. drivers). However, rump kernels do support *the application* performing fork or exec. Same goes for mmap. > > If you mean the Rumprun unikernel, which is the one example of an underlying system which does not do VM, then yes. But, as you can gather from above, the discussion on the topic gets convoluted quickly, and will confuse more than clarify unless I spend several paragraphs on it. So, I think it's better that people read the book if they really want to understand. > > The only thing that I can think of which really doesn't fit into the rump kernel model of splitting execution and [POSIX] drivers is signals. But we'll soon have to figure out how to cram that in. I actually sort of have a plan for that already, but just need to brave enough to try to implement it -- it requires touching the rump kernel CPU scheduler, and I'm very afraid of that code. > >> - As a random aside, 2007 seems to have been the year that lots of projects started. I remember sitting in a room in Cambridge with Andrew Tolmach and Adam Wick in Jan 2007 and using MiniOS to create the first Mirage and HalVM kernels with networking (just ethernet) as well. Trying to dig out an online reference to that meeting -- ISTR we had a photo of the whiteboard somewhere! > > Hahaa, "commit early, commit often" saved me there. I think this was the first sketch of the mtools "unikernel" which ran both on NetBSD and Linux (not that the infrastructure is strictly speaking that of a unikernel, but anyway): > > http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/~checkout~/src/sys/rump/fs/bin/fsconsole/Attic/fsconsole.c?rev=1.4&content-type=text/plain > > And, urgh, handwritten syscall handlers and namei (ukfs). I don't want to go back there. Though, ukfs displays the quintessential philosophy of rump kernels: either figure out how to use existing code unmodified, or massively simplify it for the case at hand; port-by-copypaste (forking) is evil. The problem with ukfs was that syscall handlers and namei are complex because they're complex, so it wasn't possible to simplify them and still have them, well, work (like really work, not just superficially work). So the ukfs experiment failed, c'est la research, and I later figured out how to include the unmodified counterparts. > > > Anyway, got a bit sidetracked. I'll send a ping to the list once I've finished editing everyone's suggestions in. Might be a few days. > > - antti > > _______________________________________________ > Publicity mailing list > Publicity@lists.xenproject.org > http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Mon Aug 03 18:19:49 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:19:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMKKz-00055z-Ar; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:19:49 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMKKy-00055t-1j for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:19:48 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-13.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id CD/C7-12371-3C0BFB55; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:19:47 +0000 X-Env-Sender: pooka@iki.fi X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1438625986!37542958!1 X-Originating-IP: [130.233.192.7] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests= X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 23819 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2015 18:19:46 -0000 Received: from mail.cs.hut.fi (HELO mail.cs.hut.fi) (130.233.192.7) by server-3.tower-27.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 3 Aug 2015 18:19:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mannerheim.cs.hut.fi [130.233.193.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.hut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 476DA1DD9B; Mon, 3 Aug 2015 21:19:45 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <55BFB0C0.2060004@iki.fi> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:19:44 +0000 From: Antti Kantee MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Kurth References: <55B96E2E.90203@iki.fi> <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> In-Reply-To: Cc: Martin Lucina , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] rump kernel and Rumprun unikernel proposed post X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On 03/08/15 13:51, Lars Kurth wrote: > I agree with Antti, that keeping it simple is the best approach >> Might be a few days. > I would like to publish on Thursday or Friday, such that we get this out before other announcements planned for next week (although I can discuss with Sarah to move a video post planned for next week towards the end of this week) ic, sounds like should shoot for Thursday. I'll wait until tomorrow (Europe) for other comments, and then do edits on a "go simple or go home" mandate. _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Mon Aug 03 18:19:49 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:19:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMKKz-00055z-Ar; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:19:49 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMKKy-00055t-1j for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:19:48 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-13.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id CD/C7-12371-3C0BFB55; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:19:47 +0000 X-Env-Sender: pooka@iki.fi X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1438625986!37542958!1 X-Originating-IP: [130.233.192.7] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests= X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 23819 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2015 18:19:46 -0000 Received: from mail.cs.hut.fi (HELO mail.cs.hut.fi) (130.233.192.7) by server-3.tower-27.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 3 Aug 2015 18:19:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mannerheim.cs.hut.fi [130.233.193.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.hut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 476DA1DD9B; Mon, 3 Aug 2015 21:19:45 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <55BFB0C0.2060004@iki.fi> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:19:44 +0000 From: Antti Kantee MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Kurth References: <55B96E2E.90203@iki.fi> <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> In-Reply-To: Cc: Martin Lucina , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] rump kernel and Rumprun unikernel proposed post X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On 03/08/15 13:51, Lars Kurth wrote: > I agree with Antti, that keeping it simple is the best approach >> Might be a few days. > I would like to publish on Thursday or Friday, such that we get this out before other announcements planned for next week (although I can discuss with Sarah to move a video post planned for next week towards the end of this week) ic, sounds like should shoot for Thursday. I'll wait until tomorrow (Europe) for other comments, and then do edits on a "go simple or go home" mandate. _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Mon Aug 03 18:34:05 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:34:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMKYn-00067x-2j; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:34:05 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMKYl-00067g-S4 for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:34:03 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-12.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id D1/3A-05269-A14BFB55; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:34:02 +0000 X-Env-Sender: anil@recoil.org X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438626841!31850555!1 X-Originating-IP: [5.153.225.51] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.2 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 24591 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2015 18:34:01 -0000 Received: from bark.recoil.org (HELO bark.recoil.org) (5.153.225.51) by server-8.tower-31.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 3 Aug 2015 18:34:01 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.75] (cpc7-cmbg14-2-0-cust238.5-4.cable.virginm.net [86.30.244.239]); by bark.recoil.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 0faca7aa; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO; Mon, 3 Aug 2015 19:34:00 +0100 (BST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Anil Madhavapeddy In-Reply-To: <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 19:33:59 +0100 Message-Id: <4990D43D-0185-466A-8ABA-812261C42F7C@recoil.org> References: <55B96E2E.90203@iki.fi> <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> To: Antti Kantee X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Martin Lucina , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] rump kernel and Rumprun unikernel proposed post X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On 1 Aug 2015, at 14:17, Antti Kantee wrote: > > [added mato to cc] > > On 31/07/15 17:27, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: >> (Thanks Russ for sorting out my login) >> >> Great post! Some quick thoughts from vacation: >> >> - In the "the goal of rump was not unikernels", it might be worth pointing out that Rump provides a long term baseline for other unikernel projects that have been focussing on the high level structure. For example, Martin's work on Mirage+rump now lets us slowly deprecate the old MiniOS runtime in favour of Rump, and get KVM and baremetal support in addition to Xen, and focus on the "new horizons" rather than low level device driver hackery. > > Hmm, I wonder if I can succinctly work that in. I think I should stress that the idea to is to provide a proper architecture so that projects using rump kernels don't need to fork their own copies, and encourage discussion if the architecture or implementation falls short of someone's needs. Forking is nice for a quick thrill, but when you hit the maintenance stage it's suddenly not so fun. > > I assume that Martin will write about "Mirump" in detail himself, but I guess I can mention it to strengthen the above argument. Would something in the order of "yaddayadda... the MirageOS unikernel has already started taking advantage of this feature [Martin Lucina]" be appropriate? Plus a link to: > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.mirage.devel/954 > Only if it makes sense within the post! Not sure it does, as there's quite a lot in there already. Perhaps the best thing to do is to wait for Martin to write up his, and then retrospectively edit in a link to it as "further reading" in this one. We do that fairly often in the MirageOS blog so that posts remain easy to follow after later ones have been published. >> - Link to the third-party applications Rump github repo? > > ah, definitely. > >> - A TL;DR with some hrefs into the rump kernel book on some of the terminology would be useful for the more casual reader. You mention in one blog post -- rump kernel, unikernel and anykernel -- quite a lot to take in one post :) Your FOSDEM 2013 interview on the topic is good: https://archive.fosdem.org/2013/interviews/2013-antii-kantee/ or your New Directions in Operating Systems 2014 talk. > > The problem with the tl;dr is that it's hard to explain things to a global audience when I don't know what their *assumptions* are and which specific piece they are interested in -- even though the pieces are bite-sized, there's a lot of them. Mini-anecdote: it took years for people to stop saying "oh you've reinvented FUSE". So, the book is the only thing I trust to explain things in a hard-to-misassume way. But I'll add some tl;dr if I can figure out what to add. > > I'll see if I can somehow remove "anykernel". My in-house reviewer complained about that as well. The problem is that I doubt the figure works if "anykernel" is not there, so I need to think of something else. Or just elide it entirely from this apart from an href, and then elaborate in a future blog post. A series of blog posts about one particular topic each is probably a good approach, with hrefs between them. Either way, excellent post! -a _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Mon Aug 03 18:34:05 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:34:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMKYn-00067x-2j; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:34:05 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMKYl-00067g-S4 for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:34:03 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-12.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id D1/3A-05269-A14BFB55; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:34:02 +0000 X-Env-Sender: anil@recoil.org X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438626841!31850555!1 X-Originating-IP: [5.153.225.51] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.2 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 24591 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2015 18:34:01 -0000 Received: from bark.recoil.org (HELO bark.recoil.org) (5.153.225.51) by server-8.tower-31.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 3 Aug 2015 18:34:01 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.75] (cpc7-cmbg14-2-0-cust238.5-4.cable.virginm.net [86.30.244.239]); by bark.recoil.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 0faca7aa; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO; Mon, 3 Aug 2015 19:34:00 +0100 (BST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Anil Madhavapeddy In-Reply-To: <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 19:33:59 +0100 Message-Id: <4990D43D-0185-466A-8ABA-812261C42F7C@recoil.org> References: <55B96E2E.90203@iki.fi> <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> To: Antti Kantee X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Martin Lucina , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] rump kernel and Rumprun unikernel proposed post X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On 1 Aug 2015, at 14:17, Antti Kantee wrote: > > [added mato to cc] > > On 31/07/15 17:27, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: >> (Thanks Russ for sorting out my login) >> >> Great post! Some quick thoughts from vacation: >> >> - In the "the goal of rump was not unikernels", it might be worth pointing out that Rump provides a long term baseline for other unikernel projects that have been focussing on the high level structure. For example, Martin's work on Mirage+rump now lets us slowly deprecate the old MiniOS runtime in favour of Rump, and get KVM and baremetal support in addition to Xen, and focus on the "new horizons" rather than low level device driver hackery. > > Hmm, I wonder if I can succinctly work that in. I think I should stress that the idea to is to provide a proper architecture so that projects using rump kernels don't need to fork their own copies, and encourage discussion if the architecture or implementation falls short of someone's needs. Forking is nice for a quick thrill, but when you hit the maintenance stage it's suddenly not so fun. > > I assume that Martin will write about "Mirump" in detail himself, but I guess I can mention it to strengthen the above argument. Would something in the order of "yaddayadda... the MirageOS unikernel has already started taking advantage of this feature [Martin Lucina]" be appropriate? Plus a link to: > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.mirage.devel/954 > Only if it makes sense within the post! Not sure it does, as there's quite a lot in there already. Perhaps the best thing to do is to wait for Martin to write up his, and then retrospectively edit in a link to it as "further reading" in this one. We do that fairly often in the MirageOS blog so that posts remain easy to follow after later ones have been published. >> - Link to the third-party applications Rump github repo? > > ah, definitely. > >> - A TL;DR with some hrefs into the rump kernel book on some of the terminology would be useful for the more casual reader. You mention in one blog post -- rump kernel, unikernel and anykernel -- quite a lot to take in one post :) Your FOSDEM 2013 interview on the topic is good: https://archive.fosdem.org/2013/interviews/2013-antii-kantee/ or your New Directions in Operating Systems 2014 talk. > > The problem with the tl;dr is that it's hard to explain things to a global audience when I don't know what their *assumptions* are and which specific piece they are interested in -- even though the pieces are bite-sized, there's a lot of them. Mini-anecdote: it took years for people to stop saying "oh you've reinvented FUSE". So, the book is the only thing I trust to explain things in a hard-to-misassume way. But I'll add some tl;dr if I can figure out what to add. > > I'll see if I can somehow remove "anykernel". My in-house reviewer complained about that as well. The problem is that I doubt the figure works if "anykernel" is not there, so I need to think of something else. Or just elide it entirely from this apart from an href, and then elaborate in a future blog post. A series of blog posts about one particular topic each is probably a good approach, with hrefs between them. Either way, excellent post! -a _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Tue Aug 04 14:37:44 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:37:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMdLZ-0004iM-QK; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:37:41 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMdLY-0004iH-F5 for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:37:40 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-4.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 22/9F-10715-23EC0C55; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:37:38 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1438699057!37856820!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.212.171] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.5 required=7.0 tests=BODY_RANDOM_LONG X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 31635 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2015 14:37:38 -0000 Received: from mail-wi0-f171.google.com (HELO mail-wi0-f171.google.com) (209.85.212.171) by server-6.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Aug 2015 14:37:38 -0000 Received: by wibxm9 with SMTP id xm9so169421265wib.0 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 07:37:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=l2cOfpDlC6Dx2lab03FTTTqgDLtcA+j1Jrq7Sbon6YY=; b=E+DdQY3QwcqOVcE5jEIf1VAPtYQRyv6PUMi5+jcR+fqO8E2QguTrFjhVmeeJ82YorO MEGpGP0iBTfi6SNm091HtxCIqeJDGVYrUmSD/rMqGPAizDumnyz4UzSPCAbANlezqulE 5taFX9cRhm8Bg5JdIwgM+H3P+dsw+e+th8CfXgz8J21yoECBLxGU6pIJRLbMZIgbta3S OsrOLFtwhoraVB7F3kJztkJIT8dv+fNwoN/iKA/x9EqvT0R27e2DGd5op6maHBiE1P5g 9T7JSp/yhqx6+x4rUBbEdfbBTURjgdpIbk7F4Ged2NyDoMVp1s+UJGEvpymLk6THl8MP WpOg== X-Received: by 10.194.112.3 with SMTP id im3mr8814087wjb.54.1438699057618; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 07:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (97e55056.skybroadband.com. [151.229.80.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id pg9sm2155326wjb.40.2015.08.04.07.37.36 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Aug 2015 07:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 15:37:32 +0100 Message-Id: <62017EDA-7C2E-410E-94AD-5448EFACEDBF@gmail.com> References: <55B64D6E.9030004@bitdefender.com> <55B72966.1070900@bitdefender.com> <1438093996.2889.106.camel@citrix.com> <55B795F6.8050106@bitdefender.com> <55B8AC99.7060006@bitdefender.com> <55B8E922.5000008@bitdefender.com> <10F55449-72F6-43B4-AB30-EB42D38BEC50@gmail.com> <55BA65FB.40105@bitdefender.com> <55BA91B0.4040501@bitdefender.com> To: Razvan Cojocaru X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Lars Kurth , mdontu , Tamas K Lengyel , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] [Xen-devel] The Bitdefender virtual machine introspection library is now on GitHub X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org > On 31 Jul 2015, at 21:44, Lars Kurth wrote: > > I discussed with Sarah, and we may add a paragraph introducing Razvan as new speaker to the blog, pointing to the LinuxCon and two XenDevSummit talks on the subject. We are also looking at some other PR, which is why we may be delaying publication until Tuesday Publishing now. The Register ran a different story than this one: see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/04/xen_project_ponders_breakup_with_qemu_after_two_new_bugs_found/ Lars _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Tue Aug 04 14:37:44 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:37:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMdLZ-0004iM-QK; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:37:41 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMdLY-0004iH-F5 for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:37:40 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-4.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 22/9F-10715-23EC0C55; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:37:38 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1438699057!37856820!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.212.171] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.5 required=7.0 tests=BODY_RANDOM_LONG X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 31635 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2015 14:37:38 -0000 Received: from mail-wi0-f171.google.com (HELO mail-wi0-f171.google.com) (209.85.212.171) by server-6.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Aug 2015 14:37:38 -0000 Received: by wibxm9 with SMTP id xm9so169421265wib.0 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 07:37:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=l2cOfpDlC6Dx2lab03FTTTqgDLtcA+j1Jrq7Sbon6YY=; b=E+DdQY3QwcqOVcE5jEIf1VAPtYQRyv6PUMi5+jcR+fqO8E2QguTrFjhVmeeJ82YorO MEGpGP0iBTfi6SNm091HtxCIqeJDGVYrUmSD/rMqGPAizDumnyz4UzSPCAbANlezqulE 5taFX9cRhm8Bg5JdIwgM+H3P+dsw+e+th8CfXgz8J21yoECBLxGU6pIJRLbMZIgbta3S OsrOLFtwhoraVB7F3kJztkJIT8dv+fNwoN/iKA/x9EqvT0R27e2DGd5op6maHBiE1P5g 9T7JSp/yhqx6+x4rUBbEdfbBTURjgdpIbk7F4Ged2NyDoMVp1s+UJGEvpymLk6THl8MP WpOg== X-Received: by 10.194.112.3 with SMTP id im3mr8814087wjb.54.1438699057618; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 07:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (97e55056.skybroadband.com. [151.229.80.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id pg9sm2155326wjb.40.2015.08.04.07.37.36 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Aug 2015 07:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 15:37:32 +0100 Message-Id: <62017EDA-7C2E-410E-94AD-5448EFACEDBF@gmail.com> References: <55B64D6E.9030004@bitdefender.com> <55B72966.1070900@bitdefender.com> <1438093996.2889.106.camel@citrix.com> <55B795F6.8050106@bitdefender.com> <55B8AC99.7060006@bitdefender.com> <55B8E922.5000008@bitdefender.com> <10F55449-72F6-43B4-AB30-EB42D38BEC50@gmail.com> <55BA65FB.40105@bitdefender.com> <55BA91B0.4040501@bitdefender.com> To: Razvan Cojocaru X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Lars Kurth , mdontu , Tamas K Lengyel , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] [Xen-devel] The Bitdefender virtual machine introspection library is now on GitHub X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org > On 31 Jul 2015, at 21:44, Lars Kurth wrote: > > I discussed with Sarah, and we may add a paragraph introducing Razvan as new speaker to the blog, pointing to the LinuxCon and two XenDevSummit talks on the subject. We are also looking at some other PR, which is why we may be delaying publication until Tuesday Publishing now. The Register ran a different story than this one: see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/04/xen_project_ponders_breakup_with_qemu_after_two_new_bugs_found/ Lars _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Tue Aug 04 14:40:26 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:40:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMdOE-0004sH-QS; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:40:26 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMdOD-0004s1-K7 for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:40:25 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-1.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 28/61-01421-8DEC0C55; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:40:24 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438699224!32196317!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.212.174] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.5 required=7.0 tests=BODY_RANDOM_LONG X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 21990 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2015 14:40:24 -0000 Received: from mail-wi0-f174.google.com (HELO mail-wi0-f174.google.com) (209.85.212.174) by server-8.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Aug 2015 14:40:24 -0000 Received: by wibud3 with SMTP id ud3so26939646wib.0 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 07:40:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=xd56wYJqeD1TgHlZTFN2FVlb7JQ1AZWZxWGRpqshGuk=; b=P+4CuzVmdk9u2ZKoTNVyxR8vNezlz1UT8BU0WCC8hFIg0G9+0V8Y5ou2dtuE6W+tfJ mDEToyvJ7yGtM30nrvhEc9XWtCj/CeAJzoAdVFMntrGpfsH0J0Fafj52SRLkeAj/YG4H m0jG8UiuMuaqY7oLILTZEpDrR7yZjBpCEFuE5bEPNtglwN1UnqnXsGj5WR/f7CE/kxW3 cgx3450bz7gHW6L0C8bgh9JS+NgqIuL/IoclRQylVA031D2dbwK1jLNVqszVTGVY1Gl2 L34gXMc6X1U+J/Qxx06MfYQr6EY2P1GtN1Obfkn5UQD4U0XE6GQHP6YAmHXaDGM9Ygge Btkg== X-Received: by 10.194.9.102 with SMTP id y6mr8673165wja.91.1438699224008; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 07:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (97e55056.skybroadband.com. [151.229.80.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id pf4sm2191209wjb.23.2015.08.04.07.40.22 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Aug 2015 07:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 15:39:35 +0100 Message-Id: References: <55B64D6E.9030004@bitdefender.com> <55B72966.1070900@bitdefender.com> <1438093996.2889.106.camel@citrix.com> <55B795F6.8050106@bitdefender.com> <55B8AC99.7060006@bitdefender.com> <55B8E922.5000008@bitdefender.com> <10F55449-72F6-43B4-AB30-EB42D38BEC50@gmail.com> <55BA65FB.40105@bitdefender.com> <55BA91B0.4040501@bitdefender.com> To: Razvan Cojocaru X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Lars Kurth , mdontu , Tamas K Lengyel , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] [Xen-devel] The Bitdefender virtual machine introspection library is now on GitHub X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org > On 31 Jul 2015, at 21:44, Lars Kurth wrote: > > > I discussed with Sarah, and we may add a paragraph introducing Razvan as new speaker to the blog, pointing to the LinuxCon and two XenDevSummit talks on the subject. We are also looking at some other PR, which is why we may be delaying publication until Tuesday > Scheduled for 17:00 UK time today (typically this time frame gives us more US exposure) Lars _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Tue Aug 04 14:40:26 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:40:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMdOE-0004sH-QS; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:40:26 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMdOD-0004s1-K7 for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:40:25 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-1.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 28/61-01421-8DEC0C55; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 14:40:24 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438699224!32196317!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.212.174] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.5 required=7.0 tests=BODY_RANDOM_LONG X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 21990 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2015 14:40:24 -0000 Received: from mail-wi0-f174.google.com (HELO mail-wi0-f174.google.com) (209.85.212.174) by server-8.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Aug 2015 14:40:24 -0000 Received: by wibud3 with SMTP id ud3so26939646wib.0 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 07:40:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=xd56wYJqeD1TgHlZTFN2FVlb7JQ1AZWZxWGRpqshGuk=; b=P+4CuzVmdk9u2ZKoTNVyxR8vNezlz1UT8BU0WCC8hFIg0G9+0V8Y5ou2dtuE6W+tfJ mDEToyvJ7yGtM30nrvhEc9XWtCj/CeAJzoAdVFMntrGpfsH0J0Fafj52SRLkeAj/YG4H m0jG8UiuMuaqY7oLILTZEpDrR7yZjBpCEFuE5bEPNtglwN1UnqnXsGj5WR/f7CE/kxW3 cgx3450bz7gHW6L0C8bgh9JS+NgqIuL/IoclRQylVA031D2dbwK1jLNVqszVTGVY1Gl2 L34gXMc6X1U+J/Qxx06MfYQr6EY2P1GtN1Obfkn5UQD4U0XE6GQHP6YAmHXaDGM9Ygge Btkg== X-Received: by 10.194.9.102 with SMTP id y6mr8673165wja.91.1438699224008; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 07:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (97e55056.skybroadband.com. [151.229.80.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id pf4sm2191209wjb.23.2015.08.04.07.40.22 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Aug 2015 07:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 15:39:35 +0100 Message-Id: References: <55B64D6E.9030004@bitdefender.com> <55B72966.1070900@bitdefender.com> <1438093996.2889.106.camel@citrix.com> <55B795F6.8050106@bitdefender.com> <55B8AC99.7060006@bitdefender.com> <55B8E922.5000008@bitdefender.com> <10F55449-72F6-43B4-AB30-EB42D38BEC50@gmail.com> <55BA65FB.40105@bitdefender.com> <55BA91B0.4040501@bitdefender.com> To: Razvan Cojocaru X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Lars Kurth , mdontu , Tamas K Lengyel , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] [Xen-devel] The Bitdefender virtual machine introspection library is now on GitHub X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org > On 31 Jul 2015, at 21:44, Lars Kurth wrote: > > > I discussed with Sarah, and we may add a paragraph introducing Razvan as new speaker to the blog, pointing to the LinuxCon and two XenDevSummit talks on the subject. We are also looking at some other PR, which is why we may be delaying publication until Tuesday > Scheduled for 17:00 UK time today (typically this time frame gives us more US exposure) Lars _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Wed Aug 05 11:29:26 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:29:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMwsw-00017g-6W; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:29:26 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMwsv-00017a-F9 for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:29:25 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-5.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 98/A0-06021-493F1C55; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:29:24 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=6520132d5=Stefano.Stabellini@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438774163!32574852!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n, received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 29651 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2015 11:29:24 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-5.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Aug 2015 11:29:24 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,616,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="288243964" Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:27:35 +0100 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA2 Cc: Lars Kurth Subject: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Hi all, I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen Project blog, let me know what you think! https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true Cheers, Stefano _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Wed Aug 05 11:29:26 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:29:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMwsw-00017g-6W; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:29:26 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMwsv-00017a-F9 for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:29:25 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-5.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 98/A0-06021-493F1C55; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:29:24 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=6520132d5=Stefano.Stabellini@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438774163!32574852!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n, received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 29651 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2015 11:29:24 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-5.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Aug 2015 11:29:24 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,616,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="288243964" Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:27:35 +0100 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA2 Cc: Lars Kurth Subject: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Hi all, I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen Project blog, let me know what you think! https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true Cheers, Stefano _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Wed Aug 05 11:36:31 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:36:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMwzk-0001Z5-Vv; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:36:28 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMwzj-0001Ya-ET for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:36:27 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-4.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 26/2A-09570-A35F1C55; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:36:26 +0000 X-Env-Sender: anil@recoil.org X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438774582!32508912!1 X-Originating-IP: [5.153.225.51] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.2 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 28855 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2015 11:36:22 -0000 Received: from bark.recoil.org (HELO bark.recoil.org) (5.153.225.51) by server-2.tower-31.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Aug 2015 11:36:22 -0000 Received: from flick.office (volstagg-0.srg.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.32.232]); by bark.recoil.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 41cbd315; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO; Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:36:21 +0100 (BST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Anil Madhavapeddy In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:36:23 +0100 Message-Id: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> References: To: Stefano Stabellini X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Lars Kurth , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > Hi all, > > I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen Project > blog, let me know what you think! > > https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true I like it all except for the title, which bears no resemblance to the contents of the post (which is about how VMs are complementary to Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual machines", or something similar? -anil _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Wed Aug 05 11:36:31 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:36:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMwzk-0001Z5-Vv; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:36:28 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMwzj-0001Ya-ET for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:36:27 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-4.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 26/2A-09570-A35F1C55; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:36:26 +0000 X-Env-Sender: anil@recoil.org X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438774582!32508912!1 X-Originating-IP: [5.153.225.51] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.2 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 28855 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2015 11:36:22 -0000 Received: from bark.recoil.org (HELO bark.recoil.org) (5.153.225.51) by server-2.tower-31.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Aug 2015 11:36:22 -0000 Received: from flick.office (volstagg-0.srg.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.32.232]); by bark.recoil.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 41cbd315; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO; Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:36:21 +0100 (BST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Anil Madhavapeddy In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:36:23 +0100 Message-Id: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> References: To: Stefano Stabellini X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Lars Kurth , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > Hi all, > > I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen Project > blog, let me know what you think! > > https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true I like it all except for the title, which bears no resemblance to the contents of the post (which is about how VMs are complementary to Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual machines", or something similar? -anil _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Wed Aug 05 16:29:05 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:29:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN1Yu-0005UJ-1H; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:29:04 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN1Yr-0005UE-RU for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:29:02 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-4.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 66/63-10715-DC932C55; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:29:01 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=6520132d5=Stefano.Stabellini@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1438792139!38195758!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n, received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 7343 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2015 16:29:00 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-2.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Aug 2015 16:29:00 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,618,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="288372417" Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 17:27:34 +0100 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: Anil Madhavapeddy In-Reply-To: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> Message-ID: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: Lars Kurth , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen Project > > blog, let me know what you think! > > > > https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true > > I like it all except for the title, which bears no resemblance to the > contents of the post (which is about how VMs are complementary to > Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual machines", or something > similar? Yes, I think you are right. What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Wed Aug 05 16:29:05 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:29:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN1Yu-0005UJ-1H; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:29:04 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN1Yr-0005UE-RU for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:29:02 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-4.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 66/63-10715-DC932C55; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:29:01 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=6520132d5=Stefano.Stabellini@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1438792139!38195758!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n, received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 7343 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2015 16:29:00 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-2.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Aug 2015 16:29:00 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,618,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="288372417" Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 17:27:34 +0100 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: Anil Madhavapeddy In-Reply-To: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> Message-ID: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: Lars Kurth , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen Project > > blog, let me know what you think! > > > > https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true > > I like it all except for the title, which bears no resemblance to the > contents of the post (which is about how VMs are complementary to > Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual machines", or something > similar? Yes, I think you are right. What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Wed Aug 05 16:57:15 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:57:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN20A-0008KJ-UY; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:57:14 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN209-0008KC-FZ for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:57:13 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-14.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 29/BE-04752-86042C55; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:57:12 +0000 X-Env-Sender: pooka@iki.fi X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1438793831!38198343!1 X-Originating-IP: [130.233.192.7] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.5 required=7.0 tests=BODY_RANDOM_LONG X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 9538 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2015 16:57:12 -0000 Received: from mail.cs.hut.fi (HELO mail.cs.hut.fi) (130.233.192.7) by server-7.tower-27.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Aug 2015 16:57:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mannerheim.cs.hut.fi [130.233.193.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.hut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08A1A1D549; Wed, 5 Aug 2015 19:57:09 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <55C24065.6000900@iki.fi> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:57:09 +0000 From: Antti Kantee MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anil Madhavapeddy References: <55B96E2E.90203@iki.fi> <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> <4990D43D-0185-466A-8ABA-812261C42F7C@recoil.org> In-Reply-To: <4990D43D-0185-466A-8ABA-812261C42F7C@recoil.org> Cc: Lars Kurth , Martin Lucina , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] rump kernel and Rumprun unikernel proposed post X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Ok, I finished editing. Hopefully I addressed everyone's comments, plus some minor wording fixes all around. Thanks for the comments everyone, I think the post is much better now! https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10870&preview=true Seeing that others edit the post directly, I assume I will be included in the set of people who review and approve the final. I'm not agreeing to someone else publishing an edited version in my name. On 03/08/15 18:33, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > Only if it makes sense within the post! Not sure it does, as there's quite a lot in there already. Perhaps the best thing to do is to wait for Martin to write up his, and then retrospectively edit in a link to it as "further reading" in this one. We do that fairly often in the MirageOS blog so that posts remain easy to follow after later ones have been published. I really don't want to retroactively change the post, because it gives the false impression that the post is maintained also for whatever else might have happened since publishing. I _tried_ to selectively write about technical things so that they wouldn't go out-of-date, but who knows. I do hope that the "future work" bits will go out-of-date ... I did add a link to the page where we amass various rump kernel publications and talks, so folks can check a single location for any new posts at any later date. I think that serves the purpose without me having to sign up for maintenance. (using architecture to avoid maintenance is one of the high themes of rump kernels ;) - antti _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Wed Aug 05 16:57:15 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:57:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN20A-0008KJ-UY; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:57:14 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN209-0008KC-FZ for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:57:13 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-14.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 29/BE-04752-86042C55; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:57:12 +0000 X-Env-Sender: pooka@iki.fi X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1438793831!38198343!1 X-Originating-IP: [130.233.192.7] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.5 required=7.0 tests=BODY_RANDOM_LONG X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 9538 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2015 16:57:12 -0000 Received: from mail.cs.hut.fi (HELO mail.cs.hut.fi) (130.233.192.7) by server-7.tower-27.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Aug 2015 16:57:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mannerheim.cs.hut.fi [130.233.193.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.hut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08A1A1D549; Wed, 5 Aug 2015 19:57:09 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <55C24065.6000900@iki.fi> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:57:09 +0000 From: Antti Kantee MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anil Madhavapeddy References: <55B96E2E.90203@iki.fi> <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> <4990D43D-0185-466A-8ABA-812261C42F7C@recoil.org> In-Reply-To: <4990D43D-0185-466A-8ABA-812261C42F7C@recoil.org> Cc: Lars Kurth , Martin Lucina , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] rump kernel and Rumprun unikernel proposed post X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Ok, I finished editing. Hopefully I addressed everyone's comments, plus some minor wording fixes all around. Thanks for the comments everyone, I think the post is much better now! https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10870&preview=true Seeing that others edit the post directly, I assume I will be included in the set of people who review and approve the final. I'm not agreeing to someone else publishing an edited version in my name. On 03/08/15 18:33, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > Only if it makes sense within the post! Not sure it does, as there's quite a lot in there already. Perhaps the best thing to do is to wait for Martin to write up his, and then retrospectively edit in a link to it as "further reading" in this one. We do that fairly often in the MirageOS blog so that posts remain easy to follow after later ones have been published. I really don't want to retroactively change the post, because it gives the false impression that the post is maintained also for whatever else might have happened since publishing. I _tried_ to selectively write about technical things so that they wouldn't go out-of-date, but who knows. I do hope that the "future work" bits will go out-of-date ... I did add a link to the page where we amass various rump kernel publications and talks, so folks can check a single location for any new posts at any later date. I think that serves the purpose without me having to sign up for maintenance. (using architecture to avoid maintenance is one of the high themes of rump kernels ;) - antti _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Wed Aug 05 17:33:44 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 17:33:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN2ZT-0002IB-Vq; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 17:33:43 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN2ZS-0002I6-Pt for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 17:33:42 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211] by server-5.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id 18/7C-17885-6F842C55; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 17:33:42 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1438796021!26051015!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.212.182] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests= X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 17798 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2015 17:33:41 -0000 Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (HELO mail-wi0-f182.google.com) (209.85.212.182) by server-12.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Aug 2015 17:33:41 -0000 Received: by wicgj17 with SMTP id gj17so201982951wic.1 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:33:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=I0SF7ZTK/V4JhB+Y97puWvokcusYR8/MmzeV569o9tE=; b=XYjA3TtTF1/He430rXlHHqoJSdkmfupe3PUnSn4Dz1buRzJ45duFrwqUQMDpXmdN2T 4qqcaiVxj9utTHAjc43DXS/U8k+0QBVEXFDFO1GPALnN6MnTieQm8D+NnrGJRIWxc+Vh XzgAd17lg3eUlLE39jMurW3uADU6DfVZz0t9NPQbq3e90PPmaC/pIqHiexsg2WqJDN0O Xj2tm5odpDdEeJmNZFUiYgKF3859kADTJfqQZUlT5yN62NxJJYmgTTfLVEuceaJDmkEC qTd0vuvuagmu1e7R0TI7HQeLkc1/LPHy+BJigg9rhRZexca7R+4Duv/9WRj/WLcI5CUv FJbw== X-Received: by 10.180.186.34 with SMTP id fh2mr706682wic.94.1438796021169; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (97e55056.skybroadband.com. [151.229.80.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r6sm8623166wiy.13.2015.08.05.10.33.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: <55C24065.6000900@iki.fi> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 18:33:35 +0100 Message-Id: References: <55B96E2E.90203@iki.fi> <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> <4990D43D-0185-466A-8ABA-812261C42F7C@recoil.org> <55C24065.6000900@iki.fi> To: Antti Kantee X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Martin Lucina , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] rump kernel and Rumprun unikernel proposed post X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org > On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:57, Antti Kantee wrote: > > Ok, I finished editing. Hopefully I addressed everyone's comments, plus some minor wording fixes all around. Thanks for the comments everyone, I think the post is much better now! > > https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10870&preview=true > > Seeing that others edit the post directly, I assume I will be included in the set of people who review and approve the final. I'm not agreeing to someone else publishing an edited version in my name. It rarely happens that someone else edits someone else post: but in any case, you have the final word. Sometimes, when people are logged in and open the edit view, the post will autosave (with no actual change). If someone does edit, please outline changes here Lars _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Wed Aug 05 17:33:44 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 17:33:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN2ZT-0002IB-Vq; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 17:33:43 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN2ZS-0002I6-Pt for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 17:33:42 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211] by server-5.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id 18/7C-17885-6F842C55; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 17:33:42 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1438796021!26051015!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.212.182] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests= X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 17798 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2015 17:33:41 -0000 Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (HELO mail-wi0-f182.google.com) (209.85.212.182) by server-12.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Aug 2015 17:33:41 -0000 Received: by wicgj17 with SMTP id gj17so201982951wic.1 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:33:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=I0SF7ZTK/V4JhB+Y97puWvokcusYR8/MmzeV569o9tE=; b=XYjA3TtTF1/He430rXlHHqoJSdkmfupe3PUnSn4Dz1buRzJ45duFrwqUQMDpXmdN2T 4qqcaiVxj9utTHAjc43DXS/U8k+0QBVEXFDFO1GPALnN6MnTieQm8D+NnrGJRIWxc+Vh XzgAd17lg3eUlLE39jMurW3uADU6DfVZz0t9NPQbq3e90PPmaC/pIqHiexsg2WqJDN0O Xj2tm5odpDdEeJmNZFUiYgKF3859kADTJfqQZUlT5yN62NxJJYmgTTfLVEuceaJDmkEC qTd0vuvuagmu1e7R0TI7HQeLkc1/LPHy+BJigg9rhRZexca7R+4Duv/9WRj/WLcI5CUv FJbw== X-Received: by 10.180.186.34 with SMTP id fh2mr706682wic.94.1438796021169; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (97e55056.skybroadband.com. [151.229.80.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r6sm8623166wiy.13.2015.08.05.10.33.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: <55C24065.6000900@iki.fi> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 18:33:35 +0100 Message-Id: References: <55B96E2E.90203@iki.fi> <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> <4990D43D-0185-466A-8ABA-812261C42F7C@recoil.org> <55C24065.6000900@iki.fi> To: Antti Kantee X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Martin Lucina , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] rump kernel and Rumprun unikernel proposed post X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org > On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:57, Antti Kantee wrote: > > Ok, I finished editing. Hopefully I addressed everyone's comments, plus some minor wording fixes all around. Thanks for the comments everyone, I think the post is much better now! > > https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10870&preview=true > > Seeing that others edit the post directly, I assume I will be included in the set of people who review and approve the final. I'm not agreeing to someone else publishing an edited version in my name. It rarely happens that someone else edits someone else post: but in any case, you have the final word. Sometimes, when people are logged in and open the edit view, the post will autosave (with no actual change). If someone does edit, please outline changes here Lars _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Wed Aug 05 18:16:49 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 18:16:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN3F9-0005At-6u; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 18:16:47 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN3F8-000560-0y for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 18:16:46 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-8.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 96/E5-31069-D0352C55; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 18:16:45 +0000 X-Env-Sender: anil@recoil.org X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438798604!32668077!1 X-Originating-IP: [5.153.225.51] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.2 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 11094 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2015 18:16:44 -0000 Received: from bark.recoil.org (HELO bark.recoil.org) (5.153.225.51) by server-7.tower-31.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Aug 2015 18:16:44 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.31] (91.84.189.80.dyn.plus.net [80.189.84.91]); by bark.recoil.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 35cc64db; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO; Wed, 5 Aug 2015 19:16:43 +0100 (BST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Anil Madhavapeddy In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 19:16:42 +0100 Message-Id: <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> To: Stefano Stabellini X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Lars Kurth , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen Project >>> blog, let me know what you think! >>> >>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true >> >> I like it all except for the title, which bears no resemblance to the >> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are complementary to >> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual machines", or something >> similar? > > Yes, I think you are right. > What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a Virtual Machine manager" or something (not quite right). Btw, I notice in the article that you state that Docker containers cannot be live relocated or support non-Linux workloads. In Dockercon recently, they demonstrated both checkpoint/restore-based relocation, and Windows containers running. (See https://blog.docker.com/2015/06/runc/) So it might be worth clarifying in the post that they are very nascent features, unlike the heavily tested relocation support in Xen. -anil _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Wed Aug 05 18:16:49 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 18:16:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN3F9-0005At-6u; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 18:16:47 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN3F8-000560-0y for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 18:16:46 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-8.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 96/E5-31069-D0352C55; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 18:16:45 +0000 X-Env-Sender: anil@recoil.org X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438798604!32668077!1 X-Originating-IP: [5.153.225.51] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.2 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 11094 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2015 18:16:44 -0000 Received: from bark.recoil.org (HELO bark.recoil.org) (5.153.225.51) by server-7.tower-31.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Aug 2015 18:16:44 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.31] (91.84.189.80.dyn.plus.net [80.189.84.91]); by bark.recoil.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 35cc64db; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO; Wed, 5 Aug 2015 19:16:43 +0100 (BST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Anil Madhavapeddy In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 19:16:42 +0100 Message-Id: <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> To: Stefano Stabellini X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Lars Kurth , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen Project >>> blog, let me know what you think! >>> >>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true >> >> I like it all except for the title, which bears no resemblance to the >> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are complementary to >> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual machines", or something >> similar? > > Yes, I think you are right. > What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a Virtual Machine manager" or something (not quite right). Btw, I notice in the article that you state that Docker containers cannot be live relocated or support non-Linux workloads. In Dockercon recently, they demonstrated both checkpoint/restore-based relocation, and Windows containers running. (See https://blog.docker.com/2015/06/runc/) So it might be worth clarifying in the post that they are very nascent features, unlike the heavily tested relocation support in Xen. -anil _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Wed Aug 05 21:16:16 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:16:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN62o-0006Fy-Km; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:16:14 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN62m-0006Ft-Gq for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:16:12 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211] by server-16.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id BA/ED-14422-B1D72C55; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:16:11 +0000 X-Env-Sender: pooka@iki.fi X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1438809371!26075122!1 X-Originating-IP: [130.233.192.7] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests= X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 17355 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2015 21:16:11 -0000 Received: from mail.cs.hut.fi (HELO mail.cs.hut.fi) (130.233.192.7) by server-13.tower-206.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Aug 2015 21:16:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mannerheim.cs.hut.fi [130.233.193.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.hut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE6DD1DDDC; Thu, 6 Aug 2015 00:16:08 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <55C27D18.3040908@iki.fi> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:16:08 +0000 From: Antti Kantee MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Kurth References: <55B96E2E.90203@iki.fi> <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> <4990D43D-0185-466A-8ABA-812261C42F7C@recoil.org> <55C24065.6000900@iki.fi> In-Reply-To: Cc: Martin Lucina , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] rump kernel and Rumprun unikernel proposed post X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On 05/08/15 17:33, Lars Kurth wrote: >> Seeing that others edit the post directly, I assume I will be included in the set of people who review and approve the final. I'm not agreeing to someone else publishing an edited version in my name. > > It rarely happens that someone else edits someone else post: but in any case, you have the final word. Sometimes, when people are logged in and open the edit view, the post will autosave (with no actual change). > > If someone does edit, please outline changes here Thanks, but I can use the history function, so posting the changes here is not necessary, just agreeing on a time after which nobody makes changes. I simply want to avoid the case where well-meaning fixes tilt a subtle connotation. The optimal situation is one where I can blame only myself for remaining mistakes and have others to thank for having less of them. (there's also the unicorn situation of no mistakes ... but real life ain't nethack) Are we still on schedule for Thursday, or did my lagging cause the post date to be bumped? _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Wed Aug 05 21:16:16 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:16:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN62o-0006Fy-Km; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:16:14 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZN62m-0006Ft-Gq for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:16:12 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211] by server-16.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id BA/ED-14422-B1D72C55; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:16:11 +0000 X-Env-Sender: pooka@iki.fi X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1438809371!26075122!1 X-Originating-IP: [130.233.192.7] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests= X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 17355 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2015 21:16:11 -0000 Received: from mail.cs.hut.fi (HELO mail.cs.hut.fi) (130.233.192.7) by server-13.tower-206.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Aug 2015 21:16:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mannerheim.cs.hut.fi [130.233.193.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.hut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE6DD1DDDC; Thu, 6 Aug 2015 00:16:08 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <55C27D18.3040908@iki.fi> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:16:08 +0000 From: Antti Kantee MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Kurth References: <55B96E2E.90203@iki.fi> <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> <4990D43D-0185-466A-8ABA-812261C42F7C@recoil.org> <55C24065.6000900@iki.fi> In-Reply-To: Cc: Martin Lucina , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] rump kernel and Rumprun unikernel proposed post X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On 05/08/15 17:33, Lars Kurth wrote: >> Seeing that others edit the post directly, I assume I will be included in the set of people who review and approve the final. I'm not agreeing to someone else publishing an edited version in my name. > > It rarely happens that someone else edits someone else post: but in any case, you have the final word. Sometimes, when people are logged in and open the edit view, the post will autosave (with no actual change). > > If someone does edit, please outline changes here Thanks, but I can use the history function, so posting the changes here is not necessary, just agreeing on a time after which nobody makes changes. I simply want to avoid the case where well-meaning fixes tilt a subtle connotation. The optimal situation is one where I can blame only myself for remaining mistakes and have others to thank for having less of them. (there's also the unicorn situation of no mistakes ... but real life ain't nethack) Are we still on schedule for Thursday, or did my lagging cause the post date to be bumped? _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 08:30:47 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 08:30:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNGZb-0007wX-31; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 08:30:47 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNGZZ-0007wR-WE for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 08:30:46 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211] by server-13.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id 6E/4C-02324-53B13C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 08:30:45 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=653267a9e=Ian.Campbell@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1438849843!26180608!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n, received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 30988 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 08:30:44 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-8.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 08:30:44 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,622,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="288641139" Message-ID: <1438849839.9747.96.camel@citrix.com> From: Ian Campbell To: Anil Madhavapeddy , Stefano Stabellini Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 09:30:39 +0100 In-Reply-To: <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.3-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: Lars Kurth , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On Wed, 2015-08-05 at 19:16 +0100, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > Btw, I notice in the article that you state that Docker containers cannot > [...] support non-Linux workloads. In Dockercon recently, they > demonstrated [...] Windows containers running. (See > https://blog.docker.com/2015/06/runc/) That's Windows containers running on Windows, I think? As opposed to Windows running on a non-Windows system. So I think it would still be accurate to say that docker cannot support "non-native" containers or something like that[0]? Which is essentially the old homogeneous kernel issue with containers. Ian. [0] ignoring the now-removed Linux support for some flavour of BSD's syscall interface as a personality, I'm not sure if the opposite (Linux syscalls on BSD) still exists? _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 08:30:47 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 08:30:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNGZb-0007wX-31; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 08:30:47 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNGZZ-0007wR-WE for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 08:30:46 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211] by server-13.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id 6E/4C-02324-53B13C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 08:30:45 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=653267a9e=Ian.Campbell@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1438849843!26180608!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n, received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 30988 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 08:30:44 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-8.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 08:30:44 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,622,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="288641139" Message-ID: <1438849839.9747.96.camel@citrix.com> From: Ian Campbell To: Anil Madhavapeddy , Stefano Stabellini Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 09:30:39 +0100 In-Reply-To: <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.3-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: Lars Kurth , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On Wed, 2015-08-05 at 19:16 +0100, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > Btw, I notice in the article that you state that Docker containers cannot > [...] support non-Linux workloads. In Dockercon recently, they > demonstrated [...] Windows containers running. (See > https://blog.docker.com/2015/06/runc/) That's Windows containers running on Windows, I think? As opposed to Windows running on a non-Windows system. So I think it would still be accurate to say that docker cannot support "non-native" containers or something like that[0]? Which is essentially the old homogeneous kernel issue with containers. Ian. [0] ignoring the now-removed Linux support for some flavour of BSD's syscall interface as a personality, I'm not sure if the opposite (Linux syscalls on BSD) still exists? _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 08:35:51 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 08:35:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNGeU-0007zh-Fs; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 08:35:50 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNGeT-0007zc-7X for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 08:35:49 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-9.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id A4/94-10678-46C13C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 08:35:48 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=653971153=lars.kurth@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438850147!32804275!1 X-Originating-IP: [185.25.65.24] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 25172 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 08:35:48 -0000 Received: from smtp.ctxuk.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.EU.CITRIX.COM) (185.25.65.24) by server-8.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 08:35:48 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,622,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="1835803" From: Lars Kurth To: Ian Campbell , Anil Madhavapeddy , Stefano Stabellini Thread-Topic: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines Thread-Index: AQHQz3HsMIK0lMrqW0W7btamwA5BgJ39JX6AgABRWwCAAB5+AIAA7peAgAASMIA= Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 08:35:46 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <1438849839.9747.96.camel@citrix.com> In-Reply-To: <1438849839.9747.96.camel@citrix.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.5.141003 Content-ID: <32C974BB57804C4BBAAB0F4DD5E558E2@citrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: AMS1 Cc: "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On 06/08/2015 09:30, "Ian Campbell" wrote: >On Wed, 2015-08-05 at 19:16 +0100, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: >> Btw, I notice in the article that you state that Docker containers >>cannot >> [...] support non-Linux workloads. In Dockercon recently, they >> demonstrated [...] Windows containers running. (See >> https://blog.docker.com/2015/06/runc/) > >That's Windows containers running on Windows, I think? As opposed to >Windows running on a non-Windows system. That is probably correct. And the article says "Native support of Windows 10 containers is being contributed directly by Microsoft engineers", which implies the support is not yet there, although it may be at some point. >So I think it would still be accurate to say that docker cannot support >"non-native" containers or something like that[0]? Which is essentially >the >old homogeneous kernel issue with containers. Maybe we can phrase this more accurately. > >Ian. > >[0] ignoring the now-removed Linux support for some flavour of BSD's >syscall interface as a personality, I'm not sure if the opposite (Linux >syscalls on BSD) still exists? > _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 08:35:51 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 08:35:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNGeU-0007zh-Fs; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 08:35:50 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNGeT-0007zc-7X for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 08:35:49 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-9.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id A4/94-10678-46C13C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 08:35:48 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=653971153=lars.kurth@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438850147!32804275!1 X-Originating-IP: [185.25.65.24] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 25172 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 08:35:48 -0000 Received: from smtp.ctxuk.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.EU.CITRIX.COM) (185.25.65.24) by server-8.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 08:35:48 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,622,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="1835803" From: Lars Kurth To: Ian Campbell , Anil Madhavapeddy , Stefano Stabellini Thread-Topic: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines Thread-Index: AQHQz3HsMIK0lMrqW0W7btamwA5BgJ39JX6AgABRWwCAAB5+AIAA7peAgAASMIA= Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 08:35:46 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <1438849839.9747.96.camel@citrix.com> In-Reply-To: <1438849839.9747.96.camel@citrix.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.5.141003 Content-ID: <32C974BB57804C4BBAAB0F4DD5E558E2@citrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: AMS1 Cc: "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On 06/08/2015 09:30, "Ian Campbell" wrote: >On Wed, 2015-08-05 at 19:16 +0100, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: >> Btw, I notice in the article that you state that Docker containers >>cannot >> [...] support non-Linux workloads. In Dockercon recently, they >> demonstrated [...] Windows containers running. (See >> https://blog.docker.com/2015/06/runc/) > >That's Windows containers running on Windows, I think? As opposed to >Windows running on a non-Windows system. That is probably correct. And the article says "Native support of Windows 10 containers is being contributed directly by Microsoft engineers", which implies the support is not yet there, although it may be at some point. >So I think it would still be accurate to say that docker cannot support >"non-native" containers or something like that[0]? Which is essentially >the >old homogeneous kernel issue with containers. Maybe we can phrase this more accurately. > >Ian. > >[0] ignoring the now-removed Linux support for some flavour of BSD's >syscall interface as a personality, I'm not sure if the opposite (Linux >syscalls on BSD) still exists? > _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 09:15:46 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:15:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNHH7-0002oM-Lb; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:15:45 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNHH6-0002oF-4Z for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:15:44 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-13.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 82/61-12371-FB523C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:15:43 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=6539df074=Stefano.Stabellini@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1438852541!38391889!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.63] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni42MyA9PiAzMDYwNDg=\n, received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 28400 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 09:15:42 -0000 Received: from smtp02.citrix.com (HELO SMTP02.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.63) by server-9.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 09:15:42 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,622,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="291957392" Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 10:14:04 +0100 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <1438849839.9747.96.camel@citrix.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: Stefano Stabellini , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Lars Kurth wrote: > On 06/08/2015 09:30, "Ian Campbell" wrote: > > >On Wed, 2015-08-05 at 19:16 +0100, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > >> Btw, I notice in the article that you state that Docker containers > >>cannot > >> [...] support non-Linux workloads. In Dockercon recently, they > >> demonstrated [...] Windows containers running. (See > >> https://blog.docker.com/2015/06/runc/) > > > >That's Windows containers running on Windows, I think? As opposed to > >Windows running on a non-Windows system. > > That is probably correct. And the article says "Native support of Windows > 10 containers is being contributed directly by Microsoft engineers", which > implies the support is not yet there, although it may be at some point. > > >So I think it would still be accurate to say that docker cannot support > >"non-native" containers or something like that[0]? Which is essentially > >the > >old homogeneous kernel issue with containers. > > Maybe we can phrase this more accurately. Good points, thanks! I changed it to: "Their live-migration support is still very green and they cannot run non-native workloads (Windows on Linux or Linux on Windows)." _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 09:15:46 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:15:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNHH7-0002oM-Lb; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:15:45 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNHH6-0002oF-4Z for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:15:44 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-13.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 82/61-12371-FB523C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:15:43 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=6539df074=Stefano.Stabellini@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1438852541!38391889!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.63] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni42MyA9PiAzMDYwNDg=\n, received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 28400 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 09:15:42 -0000 Received: from smtp02.citrix.com (HELO SMTP02.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.63) by server-9.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 09:15:42 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,622,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="291957392" Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 10:14:04 +0100 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <1438849839.9747.96.camel@citrix.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: Stefano Stabellini , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Lars Kurth wrote: > On 06/08/2015 09:30, "Ian Campbell" wrote: > > >On Wed, 2015-08-05 at 19:16 +0100, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > >> Btw, I notice in the article that you state that Docker containers > >>cannot > >> [...] support non-Linux workloads. In Dockercon recently, they > >> demonstrated [...] Windows containers running. (See > >> https://blog.docker.com/2015/06/runc/) > > > >That's Windows containers running on Windows, I think? As opposed to > >Windows running on a non-Windows system. > > That is probably correct. And the article says "Native support of Windows > 10 containers is being contributed directly by Microsoft engineers", which > implies the support is not yet there, although it may be at some point. > > >So I think it would still be accurate to say that docker cannot support > >"non-native" containers or something like that[0]? Which is essentially > >the > >old homogeneous kernel issue with containers. > > Maybe we can phrase this more accurately. Good points, thanks! I changed it to: "Their live-migration support is still very green and they cannot run non-native workloads (Windows on Linux or Linux on Windows)." _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 09:17:21 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:17:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNHIf-000373-SH; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:17:21 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNHIe-00036y-A1 for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:17:20 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211] by server-6.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id 02/64-22089-F1623C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:17:19 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=6539df074=Stefano.Stabellini@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1438852637!26218292!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n, received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 25667 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 09:17:18 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-6.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 09:17:18 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,622,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="288651360" Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 10:15:53 +0100 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: Anil Madhavapeddy In-Reply-To: <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> Message-ID: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: Lars Kurth , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen Project > >>> blog, let me know what you think! > >>> > >>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true > >> > >> I like it all except for the title, which bears no resemblance to the > >> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are complementary to > >> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual machines", or something > >> similar? > > > > Yes, I think you are right. > > What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? > > Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a Virtual Machine manager" or something (not quite right). What about starting with the simple question that is phrased at the beginning of the article: "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?" _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 09:17:21 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:17:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNHIf-000373-SH; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:17:21 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNHIe-00036y-A1 for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:17:20 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211] by server-6.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id 02/64-22089-F1623C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:17:19 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=6539df074=Stefano.Stabellini@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1438852637!26218292!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n, received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 25667 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 09:17:18 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-6.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 09:17:18 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,622,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="288651360" Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 10:15:53 +0100 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: Anil Madhavapeddy In-Reply-To: <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> Message-ID: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: Lars Kurth , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen Project > >>> blog, let me know what you think! > >>> > >>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true > >> > >> I like it all except for the title, which bears no resemblance to the > >> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are complementary to > >> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual machines", or something > >> similar? > > > > Yes, I think you are right. > > What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? > > Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a Virtual Machine manager" or something (not quite right). What about starting with the simple question that is phrased at the beginning of the article: "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?" _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 11:13:28 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:13:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNJ71-0004It-5X; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:13:27 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNJ6z-0004Ik-7n for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:13:25 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-7.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id B8/9D-16965-45143C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:13:24 +0000 X-Env-Sender: anil@recoil.org X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438859603!32885871!1 X-Originating-IP: [5.153.225.51] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.2 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 28374 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 11:13:23 -0000 Received: from bark.recoil.org (HELO bark.recoil.org) (5.153.225.51) by server-2.tower-31.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 11:13:23 -0000 Received: from flick.home (host81-134-29-229.in-addr.btopenworld.com [81.134.29.229]); by bark.recoil.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 8faa93d8; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO; Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:13:22 +0100 (BST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Anil Madhavapeddy In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:13:21 +0100 Message-Id: <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> To: Stefano Stabellini X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Lars Kurth , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen Project >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! >>>>> >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true >>>> >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no resemblance to the >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are complementary to >>>> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual machines", or something >>>> similar? >>> >>> Yes, I think you are right. >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? >> >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a Virtual Machine manager" or something (not quite right). > > What about starting with the simple question that is phrased at the > beginning of the article: > > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?" Excellent! That sounds good to me. One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in Illumos: https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, but is clearly very complex. Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) -anil _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 11:13:28 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:13:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNJ71-0004It-5X; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:13:27 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNJ6z-0004Ik-7n for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:13:25 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-7.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id B8/9D-16965-45143C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:13:24 +0000 X-Env-Sender: anil@recoil.org X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438859603!32885871!1 X-Originating-IP: [5.153.225.51] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.2 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 28374 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 11:13:23 -0000 Received: from bark.recoil.org (HELO bark.recoil.org) (5.153.225.51) by server-2.tower-31.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 11:13:23 -0000 Received: from flick.home (host81-134-29-229.in-addr.btopenworld.com [81.134.29.229]); by bark.recoil.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 8faa93d8; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO; Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:13:22 +0100 (BST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Anil Madhavapeddy In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:13:21 +0100 Message-Id: <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> To: Stefano Stabellini X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Lars Kurth , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen Project >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! >>>>> >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true >>>> >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no resemblance to the >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are complementary to >>>> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual machines", or something >>>> similar? >>> >>> Yes, I think you are right. >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? >> >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a Virtual Machine manager" or something (not quite right). > > What about starting with the simple question that is phrased at the > beginning of the article: > > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?" Excellent! That sounds good to me. One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in Illumos: https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, but is clearly very complex. Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) -anil _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 11:21:34 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:21:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNJEs-00051P-54; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:21:34 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNJEr-00051F-1f for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:21:33 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-10.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 56/E4-01143-C3343C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:21:32 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=6538527dc=Paul.Durrant@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1438860091!38467382!1 X-Originating-IP: [185.25.65.24] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 24930 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 11:21:31 -0000 Received: from smtp.ctxuk.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.EU.CITRIX.COM) (185.25.65.24) by server-14.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 11:21:31 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,622,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="1839989" From: Paul Durrant To: Anil Madhavapeddy , Stefano Stabellini Thread-Topic: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines Thread-Index: AQHQz3IIbAuQsoAXa0+LoLpnCLVyGJ39JX2AgABRXACAAB59AIAA+zuAgAAg0oCAACMhAA== Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 11:21:30 +0000 Message-ID: <9AAE0902D5BC7E449B7C8E4E778ABCD02F578EAF@AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net> References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> In-Reply-To: <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: AMS1 Cc: Lars Kurth , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org > -----Original Message----- > From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:publicity- > bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil Madhavapeddy > Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13 > To: Stefano Stabellini > Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org > Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines > > > > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini > wrote: > > > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini > wrote: > >>> > >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi all, > >>>>> > >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen Project > >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! > >>>>> > >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true > >>>> > >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no resemblance to the > >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are complementary to > >>>> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual machines", or > something > >>>> similar? > >>> > >>> Yes, I think you are right. > >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? > >> > >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a Virtual Machine > manager" or something (not quite right). > > > > What about starting with the simple question that is phrased at the > > beginning of the article: > > > > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?" > > Excellent! That sounds good to me. > > One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, > which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in Illumos: > https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising > > It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, but is clearly very > complex. Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) > The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. Google 'linux branded zone solaris'. And what was shipped was actually the second iteration of the idea (the first one being very hacky). Paul > -anil > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Publicity mailing list > Publicity@lists.xenproject.org > http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 11:21:34 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:21:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNJEs-00051P-54; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:21:34 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNJEr-00051F-1f for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:21:33 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-10.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 56/E4-01143-C3343C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:21:32 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=6538527dc=Paul.Durrant@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1438860091!38467382!1 X-Originating-IP: [185.25.65.24] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 24930 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 11:21:31 -0000 Received: from smtp.ctxuk.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.EU.CITRIX.COM) (185.25.65.24) by server-14.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 11:21:31 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,622,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="1839989" From: Paul Durrant To: Anil Madhavapeddy , Stefano Stabellini Thread-Topic: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines Thread-Index: AQHQz3IIbAuQsoAXa0+LoLpnCLVyGJ39JX2AgABRXACAAB59AIAA+zuAgAAg0oCAACMhAA== Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 11:21:30 +0000 Message-ID: <9AAE0902D5BC7E449B7C8E4E778ABCD02F578EAF@AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net> References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> In-Reply-To: <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: AMS1 Cc: Lars Kurth , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org > -----Original Message----- > From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:publicity- > bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil Madhavapeddy > Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13 > To: Stefano Stabellini > Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org > Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines > > > > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini > wrote: > > > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini > wrote: > >>> > >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi all, > >>>>> > >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen Project > >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! > >>>>> > >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true > >>>> > >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no resemblance to the > >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are complementary to > >>>> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual machines", or > something > >>>> similar? > >>> > >>> Yes, I think you are right. > >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? > >> > >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a Virtual Machine > manager" or something (not quite right). > > > > What about starting with the simple question that is phrased at the > > beginning of the article: > > > > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?" > > Excellent! That sounds good to me. > > One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, > which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in Illumos: > https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising > > It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, but is clearly very > complex. Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) > The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. Google 'linux branded zone solaris'. And what was shipped was actually the second iteration of the idea (the first one being very hacky). Paul > -anil > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Publicity mailing list > Publicity@lists.xenproject.org > http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 12:56:07 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 12:56:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNKiN-00039h-6A; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 12:56:07 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNKiM-00039Y-IP for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 12:56:06 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-2.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 5A/FE-12889-56953C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 12:56:05 +0000 X-Env-Sender: sconway@linuxfoundation.org X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1438865763!27066905!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.223.171] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.9 required=7.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_BY_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 11555 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 12:56:04 -0000 Received: from mail-io0-f171.google.com (HELO mail-io0-f171.google.com) (209.85.223.171) by server-5.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 12:56:04 -0000 Received: by iodd187 with SMTP id d187so79782361iod.2 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:56:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=iHrIDFErgVKbLzILfiJ6U+4TQ0VRN7NQDrmfEPZ+5XY=; b=JR4dxgdGauhperQPAKxQDdcP19L94JfIZ2DIx2beWINmtnRcTrQU0bvCioQdGi2L3c TVQ/vP9KOEzeiwHYRkBduFMvMzsGeWgyAc+K+gjKzinaKSUqUrEjukNX3wkz44WYhHUZ ie8nTEmZkCS9Va++Om62B5MiyRDLew0kKPTVk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=iHrIDFErgVKbLzILfiJ6U+4TQ0VRN7NQDrmfEPZ+5XY=; b=jHDUkqdM8VjJPnaNbBmdN6wm+fVf0pLH711x4Y7/weQ9rxUOgQyEu8wqSnyVQ0E3EM 63GqI2iZco4i2eH3WNxnS3RNoa96bA9U7A3lISqRf8B+IzsXtrs3YsI0aG6M2dcoGcDP eRHUcmzOQBRnA8rNrhl34hVTXo3ey6RvWEzMaLqESRuDPYYSbr77ScH+2Y2JgXXb6YQe fZ2Sjq3FtFVGesVSYP630RFG7dz5m/FJ/WC8viOR0I7vAFb6RJS469+spoTxzsZjl6Bo 6ZmOnFzqlpV2RM7F38DUTcenvndi+DKHHotIuu7athecZuQMbUdVG3J3QUVLisLTOmxn Gd5w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlAXB17eKKSKXsE9j3LtYW6NpzK40gwnYk0FK7MXR0uAii0C20tA1UhS0e2YUq+NTde38+j MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.3.139 with SMTP id e11mr1653982ioi.18.1438865762832; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.15.75 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Aug 2015 05:56:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9AAE0902D5BC7E449B7C8E4E778ABCD02F578EAF@AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net> References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> <9AAE0902D5BC7E449B7C8E4E778ABCD02F578EAF@AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 08:56:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: Sarah Conway To: Paul Durrant Cc: Lars Kurth , Stefano Stabellini , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4713852242505399551==" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --===============4713852242505399551== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113eb65cac616c051ca40a33 --001a113eb65cac616c051ca40a33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Question, when will this run? I'd like to send it to a few reporters in advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or Tuesday so I can pitch reporters tomorrow and Monday? I would like to add some promos to the end re: relevant talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too. Sarah On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:publicity- > > bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil Madhavapeddy > > Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13 > > To: Stefano Stabellini > > Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org > > Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines > > > > > > > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini > > wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini > > wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Hi all, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen > Project > > >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true > > >>>> > > >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no resemblance to > the > > >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are complementary to > > >>>> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual machines", or > > something > > >>>> similar? > > >>> > > >>> Yes, I think you are right. > > >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? > > >> > > >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a Virtual Machine > > manager" or something (not quite right). > > > > > > What about starting with the simple question that is phrased at the > > > beginning of the article: > > > > > > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?" > > > > Excellent! That sounds good to me. > > > > One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's > Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, > > which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in Illumos: > > https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising > > > > It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, but is clearly > very > > complex. Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) > > > > The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. Google > 'linux branded zone solaris'. And what was shipped was actually the second > iteration of the idea (the first one being very hacky). > > Paul > > > -anil > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Publicity mailing list > > Publicity@lists.xenproject.org > > http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity > > _______________________________________________ > Publicity mailing list > Publicity@lists.xenproject.org > http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity > -- Sarah Conway PR Manager The Linux Foundation sconway@linuxfoundation.org (978) 578-5300 Cell Skype: sarah.k.conway --001a113eb65cac616c051ca40a33 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Question, when will this run? I'd like to send it to a= few reporters in advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or Tuesday so I can p= itch reporters tomorrow and Monday?=C2=A0 I would like to add some promos t= o the end re: relevant talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too.

Sarah=C2=A0

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant <Paul.Dur= rant@citrix.com> wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public= ity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:= publicity-
> bounces@lists.xenproje= ct.org] On Behalf Of Anil Madhavapeddy
> Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13
> To: Stefano Stabellini
> Cc: Lars Kurth; publ= icity@lists.xenproject.org
> Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines
>
>
> > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini
> <stefano.stabel= lini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
> >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini
> <stefano.stabel= lini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
> >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini
> <stefano.stabel= lini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines&qu= ot; article for the Xen Project
> >>>>> blog, let me know what you think!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://blog.xenp= roject.org/?p=3D10910&preview=3Dtrue
> >>>>
> >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no re= semblance to the
> >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are comp= lementary to
> >>>> Docker's future).=C2=A0 How about "Docker: m= eet virtual machines", or
> something
> >>>> similar?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I think you are right.
> >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machine= s"?
> >>
> >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a Vir= tual Machine
> manager" or something (not quite right).
> >
> > What about starting with the simple question that is phrased at t= he
> > beginning of the article:
> >
> > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?"
>
> Excellent! That sounds good to me.
>
> One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's Linux-ABI= -in-Illumos,
> which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in Illumos:
> https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-rev= iew-docker-rising
>
> It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, but is clea= rly very
> complex.=C2=A0 Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-)
>

The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. = Google 'linux branded zone solaris'. And what was shipped was actua= lly the second iteration of the idea (the first one being very hacky).

=C2=A0 Paul

> -anil
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Publicity mailing list
> Publicity@lists.xenp= roject.org
> http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-b= in/mailman/listinfo/publicity

_______________________________________________
Publicity mailing list
Publicity@lists.xenprojec= t.org
http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/ma= ilman/listinfo/publicity



--
=
Sarah Conway
=
PR Manager
The Linux Foundation
sconway@linuxfoundation.org
(978) 578-5300 =C2=A0Cell
Skype: =C2=A0sarah.k.conway
--001a113eb65cac616c051ca40a33-- --===============4713852242505399551== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity --===============4713852242505399551==-- From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 12:56:07 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 12:56:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNKiN-00039h-6A; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 12:56:07 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNKiM-00039Y-IP for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 12:56:06 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-2.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 5A/FE-12889-56953C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 12:56:05 +0000 X-Env-Sender: sconway@linuxfoundation.org X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1438865763!27066905!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.223.171] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.9 required=7.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_BY_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 11555 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 12:56:04 -0000 Received: from mail-io0-f171.google.com (HELO mail-io0-f171.google.com) (209.85.223.171) by server-5.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 12:56:04 -0000 Received: by iodd187 with SMTP id d187so79782361iod.2 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:56:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=iHrIDFErgVKbLzILfiJ6U+4TQ0VRN7NQDrmfEPZ+5XY=; b=JR4dxgdGauhperQPAKxQDdcP19L94JfIZ2DIx2beWINmtnRcTrQU0bvCioQdGi2L3c TVQ/vP9KOEzeiwHYRkBduFMvMzsGeWgyAc+K+gjKzinaKSUqUrEjukNX3wkz44WYhHUZ ie8nTEmZkCS9Va++Om62B5MiyRDLew0kKPTVk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=iHrIDFErgVKbLzILfiJ6U+4TQ0VRN7NQDrmfEPZ+5XY=; b=jHDUkqdM8VjJPnaNbBmdN6wm+fVf0pLH711x4Y7/weQ9rxUOgQyEu8wqSnyVQ0E3EM 63GqI2iZco4i2eH3WNxnS3RNoa96bA9U7A3lISqRf8B+IzsXtrs3YsI0aG6M2dcoGcDP eRHUcmzOQBRnA8rNrhl34hVTXo3ey6RvWEzMaLqESRuDPYYSbr77ScH+2Y2JgXXb6YQe fZ2Sjq3FtFVGesVSYP630RFG7dz5m/FJ/WC8viOR0I7vAFb6RJS469+spoTxzsZjl6Bo 6ZmOnFzqlpV2RM7F38DUTcenvndi+DKHHotIuu7athecZuQMbUdVG3J3QUVLisLTOmxn Gd5w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlAXB17eKKSKXsE9j3LtYW6NpzK40gwnYk0FK7MXR0uAii0C20tA1UhS0e2YUq+NTde38+j MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.3.139 with SMTP id e11mr1653982ioi.18.1438865762832; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.15.75 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Aug 2015 05:56:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9AAE0902D5BC7E449B7C8E4E778ABCD02F578EAF@AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net> References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> <9AAE0902D5BC7E449B7C8E4E778ABCD02F578EAF@AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 08:56:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: Sarah Conway To: Paul Durrant Cc: Lars Kurth , Stefano Stabellini , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4713852242505399551==" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --===============4713852242505399551== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113eb65cac616c051ca40a33 --001a113eb65cac616c051ca40a33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Question, when will this run? I'd like to send it to a few reporters in advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or Tuesday so I can pitch reporters tomorrow and Monday? I would like to add some promos to the end re: relevant talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too. Sarah On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:publicity- > > bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil Madhavapeddy > > Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13 > > To: Stefano Stabellini > > Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org > > Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines > > > > > > > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini > > wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini > > wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Hi all, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen > Project > > >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true > > >>>> > > >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no resemblance to > the > > >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are complementary to > > >>>> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual machines", or > > something > > >>>> similar? > > >>> > > >>> Yes, I think you are right. > > >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? > > >> > > >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a Virtual Machine > > manager" or something (not quite right). > > > > > > What about starting with the simple question that is phrased at the > > > beginning of the article: > > > > > > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?" > > > > Excellent! That sounds good to me. > > > > One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's > Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, > > which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in Illumos: > > https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising > > > > It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, but is clearly > very > > complex. Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) > > > > The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. Google > 'linux branded zone solaris'. And what was shipped was actually the second > iteration of the idea (the first one being very hacky). > > Paul > > > -anil > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Publicity mailing list > > Publicity@lists.xenproject.org > > http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity > > _______________________________________________ > Publicity mailing list > Publicity@lists.xenproject.org > http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity > -- Sarah Conway PR Manager The Linux Foundation sconway@linuxfoundation.org (978) 578-5300 Cell Skype: sarah.k.conway --001a113eb65cac616c051ca40a33 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Question, when will this run? I'd like to send it to a= few reporters in advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or Tuesday so I can p= itch reporters tomorrow and Monday?=C2=A0 I would like to add some promos t= o the end re: relevant talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too.

Sarah=C2=A0

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant <Paul.Dur= rant@citrix.com> wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public= ity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:= publicity-
> bounces@lists.xenproje= ct.org] On Behalf Of Anil Madhavapeddy
> Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13
> To: Stefano Stabellini
> Cc: Lars Kurth; publ= icity@lists.xenproject.org
> Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines
>
>
> > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini
> <stefano.stabel= lini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
> >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini
> <stefano.stabel= lini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
> >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini
> <stefano.stabel= lini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines&qu= ot; article for the Xen Project
> >>>>> blog, let me know what you think!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://blog.xenp= roject.org/?p=3D10910&preview=3Dtrue
> >>>>
> >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no re= semblance to the
> >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are comp= lementary to
> >>>> Docker's future).=C2=A0 How about "Docker: m= eet virtual machines", or
> something
> >>>> similar?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I think you are right.
> >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machine= s"?
> >>
> >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a Vir= tual Machine
> manager" or something (not quite right).
> >
> > What about starting with the simple question that is phrased at t= he
> > beginning of the article:
> >
> > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?"
>
> Excellent! That sounds good to me.
>
> One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's Linux-ABI= -in-Illumos,
> which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in Illumos:
> https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-rev= iew-docker-rising
>
> It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, but is clea= rly very
> complex.=C2=A0 Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-)
>

The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. = Google 'linux branded zone solaris'. And what was shipped was actua= lly the second iteration of the idea (the first one being very hacky).

=C2=A0 Paul

> -anil
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Publicity mailing list
> Publicity@lists.xenp= roject.org
> http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-b= in/mailman/listinfo/publicity

_______________________________________________
Publicity mailing list
Publicity@lists.xenprojec= t.org
http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/ma= ilman/listinfo/publicity



--
=
Sarah Conway
=
PR Manager
The Linux Foundation
sconway@linuxfoundation.org
(978) 578-5300 =C2=A0Cell
Skype: =C2=A0sarah.k.conway
--001a113eb65cac616c051ca40a33-- --===============4713852242505399551== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity --===============4713852242505399551==-- From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 13:14:25 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 13:14:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNL04-0004q7-JK; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 13:14:24 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNL02-0004q2-Pi for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 13:14:22 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211] by server-11.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id 16/4A-24494-EAD53C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 13:14:22 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=6539df074=Stefano.Stabellini@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1438866859!26316227!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n, received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 1550 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 13:14:21 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-4.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 13:14:21 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,622,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="288712340" Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 14:12:24 +0100 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: Sarah Conway In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> <9AAE0902D5BC7E449B7C8E4E778ABCD02F578EAF@AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1342847746-870806951-1438866555=:11337" Content-ID: X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: Lars Kurth , Stefano Stabellini , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --1342847746-870806951-1438866555=:11337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Length: 3278 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-ID: Hi Sarah, that makes sense to me. I think it is mostly ready and shouldn't change much in next couple of days. Certainly it will be publishable on Monday next week. Cheers, Stefano On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Sarah Conway wrote: > Question, when will this run=3F I'd like to send it to a few reporters in advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or > Tuesday so I can pitch reporters tomorrow and Monday=3F=C2=A0 I would like to add some promos to the end re: relevant > talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too. > Sarah=C2=A0 > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:publicity- > > bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil Madhavapeddy > > Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13 > > To: Stefano Stabellini > > Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org > > Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines > > > > > > > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini > > wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini > > wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Hi all, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen Project > > >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/=3Fp=3D10910&preview=3Dtrue > > >>>> > > >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no resemblance to the > > >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are complementary to > > >>>> Docker's future).=C2=A0 How about "Docker: meet virtual machines", or > > something > > >>>> similar=3F > > >>> > > >>> Yes, I think you are right. > > >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"=3F > > >> > > >> Something a little more specific=3F "Using Docker as a Virtual Machine > > manager" or something (not quite right). > > > > > > What about starting with the simple question that is phrased at the > > > beginning of the article: > > > > > > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines=3F" > > > > Excellent! That sounds good to me. > > > > One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, > > which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in Illumos: > > https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising > > > > It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, but is clearly very > > complex.=C2=A0 Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) > > > > The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. Google 'linux branded zone solaris'. And > what was shipped was actually the second iteration of the idea (the first one being very hacky). --1342847746-870806951-1438866555=:11337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity --1342847746-870806951-1438866555=:11337-- From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 13:14:25 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 13:14:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNL04-0004q7-JK; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 13:14:24 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNL02-0004q2-Pi for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 13:14:22 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211] by server-11.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id 16/4A-24494-EAD53C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 13:14:22 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=6539df074=Stefano.Stabellini@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1438866859!26316227!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n, received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 1550 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 13:14:21 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-4.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 13:14:21 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,622,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="288712340" Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 14:12:24 +0100 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: Sarah Conway In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> <9AAE0902D5BC7E449B7C8E4E778ABCD02F578EAF@AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1342847746-870806951-1438866555=:11337" Content-ID: X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: Lars Kurth , Stefano Stabellini , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --1342847746-870806951-1438866555=:11337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Length: 3278 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-ID: Hi Sarah, that makes sense to me. I think it is mostly ready and shouldn't change much in next couple of days. Certainly it will be publishable on Monday next week. Cheers, Stefano On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Sarah Conway wrote: > Question, when will this run=3F I'd like to send it to a few reporters in advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or > Tuesday so I can pitch reporters tomorrow and Monday=3F=C2=A0 I would like to add some promos to the end re: relevant > talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too. > Sarah=C2=A0 > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:publicity- > > bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil Madhavapeddy > > Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13 > > To: Stefano Stabellini > > Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org > > Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines > > > > > > > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini > > wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini > > wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Hi all, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for the Xen Project > > >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/=3Fp=3D10910&preview=3Dtrue > > >>>> > > >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no resemblance to the > > >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are complementary to > > >>>> Docker's future).=C2=A0 How about "Docker: meet virtual machines", or > > something > > >>>> similar=3F > > >>> > > >>> Yes, I think you are right. > > >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"=3F > > >> > > >> Something a little more specific=3F "Using Docker as a Virtual Machine > > manager" or something (not quite right). > > > > > > What about starting with the simple question that is phrased at the > > > beginning of the article: > > > > > > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines=3F" > > > > Excellent! That sounds good to me. > > > > One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, > > which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in Illumos: > > https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising > > > > It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, but is clearly very > > complex.=C2=A0 Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) > > > > The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. Google 'linux branded zone solaris'. And > what was shipped was actually the second iteration of the idea (the first one being very hacky). --1342847746-870806951-1438866555=:11337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity --1342847746-870806951-1438866555=:11337-- From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 13:21:21 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 13:21:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNL6l-0005Rt-8I; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 13:21:19 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNL6j-0005Ro-LQ for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 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server-11.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id F2/F1-24494-D60A3C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 17:59:09 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=653971153=lars.kurth@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1438883947!26349524!1 X-Originating-IP: [185.25.65.24] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 28726 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 17:59:08 -0000 Received: from smtp.ctxuk.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.EU.CITRIX.COM) (185.25.65.24) by server-9.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 17:59:08 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,624,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="1852127" From: Lars Kurth To: Stefano Stabellini , Sarah Conway Thread-Topic: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines Thread-Index: AQHQz3HsMIK0lMrqW0W7btamwA5BgJ39JX6AgABRWwCAAB5+AIAA+zqAgAAg0oCAAAJHAIAAGmoAgAAEkgCAAGDbgA== Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 17:59:04 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> <9AAE0902D5BC7E449B7C8E4E778ABCD02F578EAF@AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.5.141003 Content-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: AMS1 Cc: Stefano Stabellini , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org We should run the Rumpkernel piece first. Maybe tomorrow? I need someone else to pull the trigger, after Antti is done with his piece and happy That would buy Sarah some time Lars On 06/08/2015 14:12, "Stefano Stabellini" wrote: >Hi Sarah, > >that makes sense to me. I think it is mostly ready and shouldn't change >much in next couple of days. Certainly it will be publishable on Monday >next week. > >Cheers, > >Stefano > >On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Sarah Conway wrote: >> Question, when will this run? I'd like to send it to a few reporters in >>advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or >> Tuesday so I can pitch reporters tomorrow and Monday? I would like to >>add some promos to the end re: relevant >> talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too. >> Sarah >> >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant >>wrote: >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:publicity- >> > bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil Madhavapeddy >> > Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13 >> > To: Stefano Stabellini >> > Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org >> > Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines >> > >> > >> > > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: >> > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini >> > wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: >> > >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini >> > wrote: >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Hi all, >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for >>the Xen Project >> > >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true >> > >>>> >> > >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no >>resemblance to the >> > >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are >>complementary to >> > >>>> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual >>machines", or >> > something >> > >>>> similar? >> > >>> >> > >>> Yes, I think you are right. >> > >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? >> > >> >> > >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a Virtual >>Machine >> > manager" or something (not quite right). >> > > >> > > What about starting with the simple question that is phrased >>at the >> > > beginning of the article: >> > > >> > > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?" >> > >> > Excellent! That sounds good to me. >> > >> > One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's >>Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, >> > which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in Illumos: >> > https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising >> > >> > It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, but is >>clearly very >> > complex. Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) >> > >> >> The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. Google >>'linux branded zone solaris'. And >> what was shipped was actually the second iteration of the idea (the >>first one being very hacky). _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 17:59:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 17:59:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNPRf-0000yF-VH; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 17:59:11 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNPRe-0000y9-AH for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 17:59:10 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211] by server-11.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id F2/F1-24494-D60A3C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 17:59:09 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=653971153=lars.kurth@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1438883947!26349524!1 X-Originating-IP: [185.25.65.24] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 28726 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 17:59:08 -0000 Received: from smtp.ctxuk.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.EU.CITRIX.COM) (185.25.65.24) by server-9.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 17:59:08 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,624,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="1852127" From: Lars Kurth To: Stefano Stabellini , Sarah Conway Thread-Topic: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines Thread-Index: AQHQz3HsMIK0lMrqW0W7btamwA5BgJ39JX6AgABRWwCAAB5+AIAA+zqAgAAg0oCAAAJHAIAAGmoAgAAEkgCAAGDbgA== Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 17:59:04 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> <9AAE0902D5BC7E449B7C8E4E778ABCD02F578EAF@AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.5.141003 Content-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: AMS1 Cc: Stefano Stabellini , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org We should run the Rumpkernel piece first. Maybe tomorrow? I need someone else to pull the trigger, after Antti is done with his piece and happy That would buy Sarah some time Lars On 06/08/2015 14:12, "Stefano Stabellini" wrote: >Hi Sarah, > >that makes sense to me. I think it is mostly ready and shouldn't change >much in next couple of days. Certainly it will be publishable on Monday >next week. > >Cheers, > >Stefano > >On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Sarah Conway wrote: >> Question, when will this run? I'd like to send it to a few reporters in >>advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or >> Tuesday so I can pitch reporters tomorrow and Monday? I would like to >>add some promos to the end re: relevant >> talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too. >> Sarah >> >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant >>wrote: >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:publicity- >> > bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil Madhavapeddy >> > Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13 >> > To: Stefano Stabellini >> > Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org >> > Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines >> > >> > >> > > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: >> > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini >> > wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: >> > >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini >> > wrote: >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Hi all, >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for >>the Xen Project >> > >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true >> > >>>> >> > >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no >>resemblance to the >> > >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are >>complementary to >> > >>>> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual >>machines", or >> > something >> > >>>> similar? >> > >>> >> > >>> Yes, I think you are right. >> > >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? >> > >> >> > >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a Virtual >>Machine >> > manager" or something (not quite right). >> > > >> > > What about starting with the simple question that is phrased >>at the >> > > beginning of the article: >> > > >> > > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?" >> > >> > Excellent! That sounds good to me. >> > >> > One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's >>Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, >> > which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in Illumos: >> > https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising >> > >> > It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, but is >>clearly very >> > complex. Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) >> > >> >> The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. Google >>'linux branded zone solaris'. And >> what was shipped was actually the second iteration of the idea (the >>first one being very hacky). _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 18:00:49 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 18:00:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNPTE-0001SC-4N; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 18:00:48 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNPTC-0001S7-SQ for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 18:00:47 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-7.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 8D/20-16965-EC0A3C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 18:00:46 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1438884045!33053569!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.212.182] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests= X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 10423 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 18:00:45 -0000 Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (HELO mail-wi0-f182.google.com) (209.85.212.182) by server-7.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 18:00:45 -0000 Received: by wicgj17 with SMTP id gj17so32502920wic.1 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:00:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=C+SU89IfH4P6R4QCPt+8Rf8rqZmLpS+pn5YYBJyMnbk=; b=pGuNyAVTgH4VzRk4R6mr1JNqXBRtb04etfeZD3dVARBum5tW+BHfQzMRqli5abXlTg h+tAs1wM4bYFpmbuQv+EnANhEadUTCicGCMYOwtnNmqVuUbiap5BJAIPBWUTfkUy9cB/ E6cBEKgxuQXU8SPON7XYnQ00cgstEHWZEzOAtK5UWsxx7hamsecL8T43bKZiR6J/0IRU nNckjAJTb6Me7H1Upf1SzOMGmD8teuAeK799g844pg/FWc8LnKvUYYZeZuKHcN/eZ9uc NKSVYt2imWhgPiInO81zYm+dJ0CAaB42HxSgfZ80sKhDkOHLRghbAnd4+nOGczFDXJmk yCGQ== X-Received: by 10.194.185.146 with SMTP id fc18mr5670377wjc.46.1438884045157; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (97e55056.skybroadband.com. 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I'm not agreeing to someone else publishing an edited version in my name. >> >> It rarely happens that someone else edits someone else post: but in any case, you have the final word. Sometimes, when people are logged in and open the edit view, the post will autosave (with no actual change). >> >> If someone does edit, please outline changes here > > Thanks, but I can use the history function, so posting the changes here is not necessary, just agreeing on a time after which nobody makes changes. > > I simply want to avoid the case where well-meaning fixes tilt a subtle connotation. The optimal situation is one where I can blame only myself for remaining mistakes and have others to thank for having less of them. (there's also the unicorn situation of no mistakes ... but real life ain't nethack) > > > Are we still on schedule for Thursday, or did my lagging cause the post date to be bumped? I am on vacation and was not following mail (was out all day). 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[151.229.80.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fo1sm4425652wib.24.2015.08.06.11.00.42 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Aug 2015 11:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: <55C27D18.3040908@iki.fi> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 19:00:41 +0100 Message-Id: <20BBDB20-ED39-4022-9A5C-232916B80C7A@gmail.com> References: <55B96E2E.90203@iki.fi> <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> <4990D43D-0185-466A-8ABA-812261C42F7C@recoil.org> <55C24065.6000900@iki.fi> <55C27D18.3040908@iki.fi> To: Antti Kantee , Sarah Conway X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Martin Lucina , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] rump kernel and Rumprun unikernel proposed post X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org > On 5 Aug 2015, at 22:16, Antti Kantee wrote: > > On 05/08/15 17:33, Lars Kurth wrote: >>> Seeing that others edit the post directly, I assume I will be included in the set of people who review and approve the final. I'm not agreeing to someone else publishing an edited version in my name. >> >> It rarely happens that someone else edits someone else post: but in any case, you have the final word. Sometimes, when people are logged in and open the edit view, the post will autosave (with no actual change). >> >> If someone does edit, please outline changes here > > Thanks, but I can use the history function, so posting the changes here is not necessary, just agreeing on a time after which nobody makes changes. > > I simply want to avoid the case where well-meaning fixes tilt a subtle connotation. The optimal situation is one where I can blame only myself for remaining mistakes and have others to thank for having less of them. (there's also the unicorn situation of no mistakes ... but real life ain't nethack) > > > Are we still on schedule for Thursday, or did my lagging cause the post date to be bumped? I am on vacation and was not following mail (was out all day). If you are happy with your piece just post today, or tomorrow AM Regards Lars _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 18:04:49 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 18:04:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNPX7-0001T0-FO; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 18:04:49 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNPX5-0001Sv-Gm for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 18:04:47 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-1.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 2B/D9-28791-EB1A3C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 18:04:46 +0000 X-Env-Sender: pooka@iki.fi X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1438884285!27156170!1 X-Originating-IP: [130.233.192.7] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests= X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 27885 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 18:04:46 -0000 Received: from mail.cs.hut.fi (HELO mail.cs.hut.fi) (130.233.192.7) by server-5.tower-27.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 18:04:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mannerheim.cs.hut.fi [130.233.193.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.hut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46DE91E243; Thu, 6 Aug 2015 21:04:44 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <55C3A1BB.9050501@iki.fi> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 18:04:43 +0000 From: Antti Kantee MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Kurth , Sarah Conway References: <55B96E2E.90203@iki.fi> <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> <4990D43D-0185-466A-8ABA-812261C42F7C@recoil.org> <55C24065.6000900@iki.fi> <55C27D18.3040908@iki.fi> <20BBDB20-ED39-4022-9A5C-232916B80C7A@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20BBDB20-ED39-4022-9A5C-232916B80C7A@gmail.com> Cc: Martin Lucina , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] rump kernel and Rumprun unikernel proposed post X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On 06/08/15 18:00, Lars Kurth wrote: > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 22:16, Antti Kantee wrote: >> >> On 05/08/15 17:33, Lars Kurth wrote: >>>> Seeing that others edit the post directly, I assume I will be included in the set of people who review and approve the final. I'm not agreeing to someone else publishing an edited version in my name. >>> >>> It rarely happens that someone else edits someone else post: but in any case, you have the final word. Sometimes, when people are logged in and open the edit view, the post will autosave (with no actual change). >>> >>> If someone does edit, please outline changes here >> >> Thanks, but I can use the history function, so posting the changes here is not necessary, just agreeing on a time after which nobody makes changes. >> >> I simply want to avoid the case where well-meaning fixes tilt a subtle connotation. The optimal situation is one where I can blame only myself for remaining mistakes and have others to thank for having less of them. (there's also the unicorn situation of no mistakes ... but real life ain't nethack) >> >> >> Are we still on schedule for Thursday, or did my lagging cause the post date to be bumped? > > I am on vacation and was not following mail (was out all day). If you are happy with your piece just post today, or tomorrow AM Ok, I'll do it within the hour. Not yet sure if I'm at a terminal tomorrow. (pseudo-vacations and all that) thanks, antti _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Aug 06 18:04:49 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 18:04:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNPX7-0001T0-FO; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 18:04:49 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNPX5-0001Sv-Gm for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 18:04:47 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-1.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 2B/D9-28791-EB1A3C55; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 18:04:46 +0000 X-Env-Sender: pooka@iki.fi X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1438884285!27156170!1 X-Originating-IP: [130.233.192.7] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests= X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 27885 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2015 18:04:46 -0000 Received: from mail.cs.hut.fi (HELO mail.cs.hut.fi) (130.233.192.7) by server-5.tower-27.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Aug 2015 18:04:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mannerheim.cs.hut.fi [130.233.193.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.hut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46DE91E243; Thu, 6 Aug 2015 21:04:44 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <55C3A1BB.9050501@iki.fi> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 18:04:43 +0000 From: Antti Kantee MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Kurth , Sarah Conway References: <55B96E2E.90203@iki.fi> <55BCC6E3.2000403@iki.fi> <4990D43D-0185-466A-8ABA-812261C42F7C@recoil.org> <55C24065.6000900@iki.fi> <55C27D18.3040908@iki.fi> <20BBDB20-ED39-4022-9A5C-232916B80C7A@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20BBDB20-ED39-4022-9A5C-232916B80C7A@gmail.com> Cc: Martin Lucina , publicity@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Publicity] rump kernel and Rumprun unikernel proposed post X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On 06/08/15 18:00, Lars Kurth wrote: > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 22:16, Antti Kantee wrote: >> >> On 05/08/15 17:33, Lars Kurth wrote: >>>> Seeing that others edit the post directly, I assume I will be included in the set of people who review and approve the final. I'm not agreeing to someone else publishing an edited version in my name. >>> >>> It rarely happens that someone else edits someone else post: but in any case, you have the final word. Sometimes, when people are logged in and open the edit view, the post will autosave (with no actual change). >>> >>> If someone does edit, please outline changes here >> >> Thanks, but I can use the history function, so posting the changes here is not necessary, just agreeing on a time after which nobody makes changes. >> >> I simply want to avoid the case where well-meaning fixes tilt a subtle connotation. The optimal situation is one where I can blame only myself for remaining mistakes and have others to thank for having less of them. (there's also the unicorn situation of no mistakes ... but real life ain't nethack) >> >> >> Are we still on schedule for Thursday, or did my lagging cause the post date to be bumped? > > I am on vacation and was not following mail (was out all day). If you are happy with your piece just post today, or tomorrow AM Ok, I'll do it within the hour. Not yet sure if I'm at a terminal tomorrow. 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banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 16718 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2015 20:08:50 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-12.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 10 Aug 2015 20:08:50 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,647,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="289794560" Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 21:07:20 +0100 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> <9AAE0902D5BC7E449B7C8E4E778ABCD02F578EAF@AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA2 Cc: Stefano Stabellini , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org I guess the Docker piece should be published sometime tomorrow (Tuesday)? On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Lars Kurth wrote: > We should run the Rumpkernel piece first. Maybe tomorrow? I need someone > else to pull the trigger, after Antti is done with his piece and happy > That would buy Sarah some time > Lars > > On 06/08/2015 14:12, "Stefano Stabellini" > wrote: > > >Hi Sarah, > > > >that makes sense to me. I think it is mostly ready and shouldn't change > >much in next couple of days. Certainly it will be publishable on Monday > >next week. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Stefano > > > >On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Sarah Conway wrote: > >> Question, when will this run? I'd like to send it to a few reporters in > >>advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or > >> Tuesday so I can pitch reporters tomorrow and Monday? I would like to > >>add some promos to the end re: relevant > >> talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too. > >> Sarah > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant > >>wrote: > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:publicity- > >> > bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil Madhavapeddy > >> > Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13 > >> > To: Stefano Stabellini > >> > Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org > >> > Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > >> > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini > >> > wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > >> > >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini > >> > wrote: > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> Hi all, > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for > >>the Xen Project > >> > >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no > >>resemblance to the > >> > >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are > >>complementary to > >> > >>>> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual > >>machines", or > >> > something > >> > >>>> similar? > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Yes, I think you are right. > >> > >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? > >> > >> > >> > >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a Virtual > >>Machine > >> > manager" or something (not quite right). > >> > > > >> > > What about starting with the simple question that is phrased > >>at the > >> > > beginning of the article: > >> > > > >> > > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?" > >> > > >> > Excellent! That sounds good to me. > >> > > >> > One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's > >>Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, > >> > which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in Illumos: > >> > https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising > >> > > >> > It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, but is > >>clearly very > >> > complex. Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) > >> > > >> > >> The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. Google > >>'linux branded zone solaris'. And > >> what was shipped was actually the second iteration of the idea (the > >>first one being very hacky). > > _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Mon Aug 10 20:08:53 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 20:08:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZOtNN-0000p7-3b; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 20:08:53 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZOtNL-0000ou-Jj for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 20:08:51 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-8.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 71/1C-31069-2D409C55; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 20:08:50 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=65757d8b3=Stefano.Stabellini@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1439237328!33822931!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n, received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 16718 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2015 20:08:50 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-12.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 10 Aug 2015 20:08:50 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,647,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="289794560" Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 21:07:20 +0100 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> <9AAE0902D5BC7E449B7C8E4E778ABCD02F578EAF@AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA2 Cc: Stefano Stabellini , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org I guess the Docker piece should be published sometime tomorrow (Tuesday)? On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Lars Kurth wrote: > We should run the Rumpkernel piece first. Maybe tomorrow? I need someone > else to pull the trigger, after Antti is done with his piece and happy > That would buy Sarah some time > Lars > > On 06/08/2015 14:12, "Stefano Stabellini" > wrote: > > >Hi Sarah, > > > >that makes sense to me. I think it is mostly ready and shouldn't change > >much in next couple of days. Certainly it will be publishable on Monday > >next week. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Stefano > > > >On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Sarah Conway wrote: > >> Question, when will this run? I'd like to send it to a few reporters in > >>advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or > >> Tuesday so I can pitch reporters tomorrow and Monday? I would like to > >>add some promos to the end re: relevant > >> talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too. > >> Sarah > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant > >>wrote: > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:publicity- > >> > bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil Madhavapeddy > >> > Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13 > >> > To: Stefano Stabellini > >> > Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org > >> > Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > >> > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini > >> > wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > >> > >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini > >> > wrote: > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> Hi all, > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for > >>the Xen Project > >> > >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no > >>resemblance to the > >> > >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are > >>complementary to > >> > >>>> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual > >>machines", or > >> > something > >> > >>>> similar? > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Yes, I think you are right. > >> > >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? > >> > >> > >> > >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a Virtual > >>Machine > >> > manager" or something (not quite right). > >> > > > >> > > What about starting with the simple question that is phrased > >>at the > >> > > beginning of the article: > >> > > > >> > > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?" > >> > > >> > Excellent! That sounds good to me. > >> > > >> > One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's > >>Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, > >> > which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in Illumos: > >> > https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising > >> > > >> > It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, but is > >>clearly very > >> > complex. Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) > >> > > >> > >> The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. Google > >>'linux branded zone solaris'. And > >> what was shipped was actually the second iteration of the idea (the > >>first one being very hacky). > > _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Tue Aug 11 01:53:55 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 01:53:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZOylF-00062o-Uu; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 01:53:53 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZOylD-00062j-Pi for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 01:53:52 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-10.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 18/CA-23203-FA559C55; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 01:53:51 +0000 X-Env-Sender: sconway@linuxfoundation.org X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1439258028!33921387!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.213.182] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.9 required=7.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_BY_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 20659 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2015 01:53:49 -0000 Received: from mail-ig0-f182.google.com (HELO mail-ig0-f182.google.com) (209.85.213.182) by server-7.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 11 Aug 2015 01:53:49 -0000 Received: by igui7 with SMTP id i7so31130377igu.1 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 18:53:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ZsvwczZdYSQG80THFtV1aq8bLDgc4t+9yjON6UPzRFs=; b=VOmIcQ0A8x7VeIRrnaYOCJVMBWc4Yv6jKg5X7QJIb70lfcrA5tDfM2MxYRbiEwyMXs hH9/t6/TnDc2eZdbeGU3Ay3cduw470bZuMYyoWYjWxaDB6FQg6Y4lkecSp+MIXVYIHR2 hyfLk+/OmrXX4xH0/7zzjdwEnGsxBQ8OIoHSo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ZsvwczZdYSQG80THFtV1aq8bLDgc4t+9yjON6UPzRFs=; b=g31dunGo24Ds2MR9eb8vn0xgA0XAYoz2D52V3Kp5rH6dE41yGq/njLhgCZdtjqYTr9 xuONpJqznUH6ZpNvlT0Ato1G1+BqchbmqpbPlj0XkyznSgfqIYTB4oX2L67YghPFqK3V dU59fvJrkG3g3QkwoSSe43QA+/4MW9SZhO2nSxX96V6x2zyLF5sRlRTrW9RzZBfdpxYJ 1t6g+TvBW5600QTPH3La0EJt4YkGlEMEpIXcO11rbFGXf4gksbSAJx6tx/gZAsKiSEMT U79T2SeHL5kOddHPRtCAwdG1p+XGAx/BSfKKx5/ELPI+e5Nh3hmpymh5zmUK88ycdZUL XFBQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkn7Nt/0wAVrZwCTFY8hn3DMVaMem5OYB7BKgxilLCsJCLUmOU2GfSzs1cxiT66VRlYw9W8 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.13.10 with SMTP id d10mr16452368igc.20.1439258028358; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 18:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.15.75 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 18:53:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> <9AAE0902D5BC7E449B7C8E4E778ABCD02F578EAF@AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 21:53:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: Sarah Conway To: Stefano Stabellini Cc: Lars Kurth , Stefano Stabellini , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3754379365455324856==" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --===============3754379365455324856== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01184874855bb5051cff5fc8 --089e01184874855bb5051cff5fc8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yes, that would be great. Once it goes live, I'll push it on social. Thanks, On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Stefano Stabellini < stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote: > I guess the Docker piece should be published sometime tomorrow > (Tuesday)? > > On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Lars Kurth wrote: > > We should run the Rumpkernel piece first. Maybe tomorrow? I need someone > > else to pull the trigger, after Antti is done with his piece and happy > > That would buy Sarah some time > > Lars > > > > On 06/08/2015 14:12, "Stefano Stabellini" > > wrote: > > > > >Hi Sarah, > > > > > >that makes sense to me. I think it is mostly ready and shouldn't change > > >much in next couple of days. Certainly it will be publishable on Monday > > >next week. > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Stefano > > > > > >On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Sarah Conway wrote: > > >> Question, when will this run? I'd like to send it to a few reporters > in > > >>advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or > > >> Tuesday so I can pitch reporters tomorrow and Monday? I would like to > > >>add some promos to the end re: relevant > > >> talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too. > > >> Sarah > > >> > > >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant > > > >>wrote: > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto: > publicity- > > >> > bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil Madhavapeddy > > >> > Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13 > > >> > To: Stefano Stabellini > > >> > Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org > > >> > Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >> > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini > > >> > wrote: > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >> > >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini > > >> > wrote: > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Hi all, > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for > > >>the Xen Project > > >> > >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no > > >>resemblance to the > > >> > >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are > > >>complementary to > > >> > >>>> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual > > >>machines", or > > >> > something > > >> > >>>> similar? > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> Yes, I think you are right. > > >> > >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a > Virtual > > >>Machine > > >> > manager" or something (not quite right). > > >> > > > > >> > > What about starting with the simple question that is phrased > > >>at the > > >> > > beginning of the article: > > >> > > > > >> > > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?" > > >> > > > >> > Excellent! That sounds good to me. > > >> > > > >> > One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's > > >>Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, > > >> > which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in Illumos: > > >> > https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising > > >> > > > >> > It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, but is > > >>clearly very > > >> > complex. Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) > > >> > > > >> > > >> The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. Google > > >>'linux branded zone solaris'. And > > >> what was shipped was actually the second iteration of the idea (the > > >>first one being very hacky). > > > > > -- Sarah Conway PR Manager The Linux Foundation sconway@linuxfoundation.org (978) 578-5300 Cell Skype: sarah.k.conway --089e01184874855bb5051cff5fc8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, that would be great. Once it goes live, I'll push= it on social.

Thanks,

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Stefan= o Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
I guess the Docker piece should= be published sometime tomorrow
(Tuesday)?

On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Lars Kurth wrote:
> We should run the Rumpkernel piece first. Maybe tomorrow? I need someo= ne
> else to pull the trigger, after Antti is done with his piece and happy=
> That would buy Sarah some time
> Lars
>
> On 06/08/2015 14:12, "Stefano Stabellini"
> <stefano.stabel= lini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi Sarah,
> >
> >that makes sense to me. I think it is mostly ready and shouldn'= ;t change
> >much in next couple of days. Certainly it will be publishable on M= onday
> >next week.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Stefano
> >
> >On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Sarah Conway wrote:
> >> Question, when will this run? I'd like to send it to a fe= w reporters in
> >>advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or
> >> Tuesday so I can pitch reporters tomorrow and Monday?=C2=A0 I= would like to
> >>add some promos to the end re: relevant
> >> talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too.
> >> Sarah
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant <Paul.Durrant@citrix.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -----Original Message-----
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:publicity-
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil Madha= vapeddy
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> To: Stefano Stabellini
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docke= r versus Virtual Machines
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, = Stefano Stabellini
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote: > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil = Madhavapeddy wrote:
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:= 27, Stefano Stabellini
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote: > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 201= 5, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> On 5 Aug 2015= , at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote: > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> Hi all, > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> I wrote a= "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for
> >>the Xen Project
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> blog, let= me know what you think!
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=3D10910&preview= =3Dtrue
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> I like it all= except for the title, which bears no
> >>resemblance to the
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> contents of t= he post (which is about how VMs are
> >>complementary to
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> Docker's = future).=C2=A0 How about "Docker: meet virtual
> >>machines", or
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> something
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> similar?
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>> Yes, I think you = are right.
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>> What about "= Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"?
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> Something a little mo= re specific? "Using Docker as a Virtual
> >>Machine
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> manager" or something (no= t quite right).
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > What about starting with = the simple question that is phrased
> >>at the
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > beginning of the article:=
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > "Will Docker replace= Virtual Machines?"
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Excellent! That sounds good to= me.
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> One epic hack that is a non-na= tive container is Joyent's
> >>Linux-ABI-in-Illumos,
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> which uses runs Docker Linux c= ontainers natively in Illumos:
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> It's possible to do, appea= rs to be used in production, but is
> >>clearly very
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> complex.=C2=A0 Unsure how to p= hrase that in a blog post :-)
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >>
> >> The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago= . Google
> >>'linux branded zone solaris'. And
> >> what was shipped was actually the second iteration of the ide= a (the
> >>first one being very hacky).
>
>



--
=
Sarah Conway
=
PR Manager
The Linux Foundation
sconway@linuxfoundation.org
(978) 578-5300 =C2=A0Cell
Skype: =C2=A0sarah.k.conway
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Once it goes live, I'll push it on social. Thanks, On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Stefano Stabellini < stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote: > I guess the Docker piece should be published sometime tomorrow > (Tuesday)? > > On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Lars Kurth wrote: > > We should run the Rumpkernel piece first. Maybe tomorrow? I need someone > > else to pull the trigger, after Antti is done with his piece and happy > > That would buy Sarah some time > > Lars > > > > On 06/08/2015 14:12, "Stefano Stabellini" > > wrote: > > > > >Hi Sarah, > > > > > >that makes sense to me. I think it is mostly ready and shouldn't change > > >much in next couple of days. Certainly it will be publishable on Monday > > >next week. > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Stefano > > > > > >On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Sarah Conway wrote: > > >> Question, when will this run? I'd like to send it to a few reporters > in > > >>advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or > > >> Tuesday so I can pitch reporters tomorrow and Monday? I would like to > > >>add some promos to the end re: relevant > > >> talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too. > > >> Sarah > > >> > > >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant > > > >>wrote: > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto: > publicity- > > >> > bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil Madhavapeddy > > >> > Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13 > > >> > To: Stefano Stabellini > > >> > Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org > > >> > Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >> > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini > > >> > wrote: > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >> > >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini > > >> > wrote: > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Hi all, > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for > > >>the Xen Project > > >> > >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10910&preview=true > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no > > >>resemblance to the > > >> > >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are > > >>complementary to > > >> > >>>> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual > > >>machines", or > > >> > something > > >> > >>>> similar? > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> Yes, I think you are right. > > >> > >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"? > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a > Virtual > > >>Machine > > >> > manager" or something (not quite right). > > >> > > > > >> > > What about starting with the simple question that is phrased > > >>at the > > >> > > beginning of the article: > > >> > > > > >> > > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?" > > >> > > > >> > Excellent! That sounds good to me. > > >> > > > >> > One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's > > >>Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, > > >> > which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in Illumos: > > >> > https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising > > >> > > > >> > It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, but is > > >>clearly very > > >> > complex. Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) > > >> > > > >> > > >> The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. Google > > >>'linux branded zone solaris'. And > > >> what was shipped was actually the second iteration of the idea (the > > >>first one being very hacky). > > > > > -- Sarah Conway PR Manager The Linux Foundation sconway@linuxfoundation.org (978) 578-5300 Cell Skype: sarah.k.conway --089e01184874855bb5051cff5fc8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, that would be great. Once it goes live, I'll push= it on social.

Thanks,

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Stefan= o Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
I guess the Docker piece should= be published sometime tomorrow
(Tuesday)?

On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Lars Kurth wrote:
> We should run the Rumpkernel piece first. Maybe tomorrow? I need someo= ne
> else to pull the trigger, after Antti is done with his piece and happy=
> That would buy Sarah some time
> Lars
>
> On 06/08/2015 14:12, "Stefano Stabellini"
> <stefano.stabel= lini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi Sarah,
> >
> >that makes sense to me. I think it is mostly ready and shouldn'= ;t change
> >much in next couple of days. Certainly it will be publishable on M= onday
> >next week.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Stefano
> >
> >On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Sarah Conway wrote:
> >> Question, when will this run? I'd like to send it to a fe= w reporters in
> >>advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or
> >> Tuesday so I can pitch reporters tomorrow and Monday?=C2=A0 I= would like to
> >>add some promos to the end re: relevant
> >> talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too.
> >> Sarah
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant <Paul.Durrant@citrix.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -----Original Message-----
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:publicity-
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil Madha= vapeddy
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> To: Stefano Stabellini
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docke= r versus Virtual Machines
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, = Stefano Stabellini
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote: > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil = Madhavapeddy wrote:
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:= 27, Stefano Stabellini
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote: > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 201= 5, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> On 5 Aug 2015= , at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote: > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> Hi all, > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> I wrote a= "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article for
> >>the Xen Project
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> blog, let= me know what you think!
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=3D10910&preview= =3Dtrue
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> I like it all= except for the title, which bears no
> >>resemblance to the
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> contents of t= he post (which is about how VMs are
> >>complementary to
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> Docker's = future).=C2=A0 How about "Docker: meet virtual
> >>machines", or
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> something
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> similar?
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>> Yes, I think you = are right.
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>> What about "= Docker and the future of Virtual Machines"?
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> Something a little mo= re specific? "Using Docker as a Virtual
> >>Machine
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> manager" or something (no= t quite right).
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > What about starting with = the simple question that is phrased
> >>at the
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > beginning of the article:=
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > "Will Docker replace= Virtual Machines?"
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Excellent! That sounds good to= me.
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> One epic hack that is a non-na= tive container is Joyent's
> >>Linux-ABI-in-Illumos,
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> which uses runs Docker Linux c= ontainers natively in Illumos:
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> It's possible to do, appea= rs to be used in production, but is
> >>clearly very
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> complex.=C2=A0 Unsure how to p= hrase that in a blog post :-)
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >>
> >> The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago= . Google
> >>'linux branded zone solaris'. And
> >> what was shipped was actually the second iteration of the ide= a (the
> >>first one being very hacky).
>
>



--
=
Sarah Conway
=
PR Manager
The Linux Foundation
sconway@linuxfoundation.org
(978) 578-5300 =C2=A0Cell
Skype: =C2=A0sarah.k.conway
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[151.229.80.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h6sm18509705wiy.3.2015.08.11.04.32.39 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Aug 2015 04:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:32:39 +0100 Message-Id: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> <9AAE0902D5BC7E449B7C8E4E778ABCD02F578EAF@AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net> To: Sarah Conway X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Lars Kurth , Stefano Stabellini , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5059376813049874044==" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --===============5059376813049874044== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_05BD9109-D007-42FE-B100-37EAE70BCE9C" --Apple-Mail=_05BD9109-D007-42FE-B100-37EAE70BCE9C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Let's say at 15:00 UK time today? Lars > On 11 Aug 2015, at 02:53, Sarah Conway = wrote: >=20 > Yes, that would be great. Once it goes live, I'll push it on social. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Stefano Stabellini = >wrote: > I guess the Docker piece should be published sometime tomorrow > (Tuesday)? >=20 > On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Lars Kurth wrote: > > We should run the Rumpkernel piece first. Maybe tomorrow? I need = someone > > else to pull the trigger, after Antti is done with his piece and = happy > > That would buy Sarah some time > > Lars > > > > On 06/08/2015 14:12, "Stefano Stabellini" > > > wrote: > > > > >Hi Sarah, > > > > > >that makes sense to me. I think it is mostly ready and shouldn't = change > > >much in next couple of days. Certainly it will be publishable on = Monday > > >next week. > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Stefano > > > > > >On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Sarah Conway wrote: > > >> Question, when will this run? I'd like to send it to a few = reporters in > > >>advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or > > >> Tuesday so I can pitch reporters tomorrow and Monday? I would = like to > > >>add some promos to the end re: relevant > > >> talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too. > > >> Sarah > > >> > > >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant = > > > >>wrote: > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org = [mailto:publicity- = > > >> > bounces@lists.xenproject.org = ] On Behalf Of Anil Madhavapeddy > > >> > Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13 > > >> > To: Stefano Stabellini > > >> > Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org = > > >> > Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >> > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >> > >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Hi all, > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article = for > > >>the Xen Project > > >> > >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=3D10910&preview=3Dtrue= > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no > > >>resemblance to the > > >> > >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are > > >>complementary to > > >> > >>>> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual > > >>machines", or > > >> > something > > >> > >>>> similar? > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> Yes, I think you are right. > > >> > >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual = Machines"? > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a = Virtual > > >>Machine > > >> > manager" or something (not quite right). > > >> > > > > >> > > What about starting with the simple question that is = phrased > > >>at the > > >> > > beginning of the article: > > >> > > > > >> > > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?" > > >> > > > >> > Excellent! That sounds good to me. > > >> > > > >> > One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's > > >>Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, > > >> > which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in = Illumos: > > >> > https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising = > > >> > > > >> > It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, = but is > > >>clearly very > > >> > complex. Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) > > >> > > > >> > > >> The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. = Google > > >>'linux branded zone solaris'. And > > >> what was shipped was actually the second iteration of the idea = (the > > >>first one being very hacky). > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sarah Conway > PR Manager > The Linux Foundation > sconway@linuxfoundation.org > (978) 578-5300 Cell > Skype: sarah.k.conway > _______________________________________________ > Publicity mailing list > Publicity@lists.xenproject.org > http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity = --Apple-Mail=_05BD9109-D007-42FE-B100-37EAE70BCE9C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Let's say at 15:00 UK time today?
Lars

On 11 Aug 2015, at 02:53, Sarah Conway <sconway@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

Yes, that would be = great. Once it goes live, I'll push it on social.

Thanks,

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:07 PM, = Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>wrote:
I guess the Docker = piece should be published sometime tomorrow
(Tuesday)?

On = Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Lars Kurth wrote:
> We should run the = Rumpkernel piece first. Maybe tomorrow? I need someone
> = else to pull the trigger, after Antti is done with his piece and = happy
> That would buy Sarah some time
>= Lars
>
> On 06/08/2015 14:12, = "Stefano Stabellini"
> <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi Sarah,
> = >
> >that makes sense to me. I think it is mostly = ready and shouldn't change
> >much in next couple of = days. Certainly it will be publishable on Monday
> = >next week.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Stefano
> = >
> >On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Sarah Conway wrote:
> >> Question, when will this run? I'd like to send = it to a few reporters in
> >>advance. Maybe tee = it up for Monday or
> >> Tuesday so I can pitch = reporters tomorrow and Monday?  I would like to
> = >>add some promos to the end re: relevant
> = >> talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too.
> = >> Sarah
> >>
> >> = On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant <Paul.Durrant@citrix.com>
> = >>wrote:
> >>      =  > -----Original Message-----
> >>  =      > From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:publicity-
> = >>       > bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil = Madhavapeddy
> >>       > = Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13
> >>    =    > To: Stefano Stabellini
> = >>       > Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org
> = >>       > Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker = versus Virtual Machines
> >>      =  >
> >>       >
> >>       > > On 6 Aug = 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini
> >>  =      > <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> >>       > >
> >>       > > On Wed, 5 = Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
> >>  =      > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano = Stabellini
> >>       > = <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> >>       > >>>
> >>       > >>> On = Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
> = >>       > >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, = at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini
> >>    =    > <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> >>       > = >>>>>
> >>      =  > >>>>> Hi all,
> = >>       > >>>>>
> >>       > = >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article = for
> >>the Xen Project
> = >>       > >>>>> blog, let = me know what you think!
> >>      =  > >>>>>
> >>    =    > >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=3D10910&preview=3Dtrue> >>       > = >>>>
> >>      =  > >>>> I like it all except for the title, which = bears no
> >>resemblance to the
> = >>       > >>>> contents of the = post (which is about how VMs are
> = >>complementary to
> >>      =  > >>>> Docker's future).  How about "Docker: = meet virtual
> >>machines", or
> = >>       > something
> = >>       > >>>> similar?
> >>       > >>>
> >>       > >>> = Yes, I think you are right.
> >>    =    > >>> What about "Docker and the future of = Virtual Machines"?
> >>      =  > >>
> >>      =  > >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a = Virtual
> >>Machine
> = >>       > manager" or something (not quite = right).
> >>       > = >
> >>       > > = What about starting with the simple question that is phrased
> >>at the
> >>    =    > > beginning of the article:
> = >>       > >
> = >>       > > "Will Docker replace = Virtual Machines?"
> >>      =  >
> >>       > = Excellent! That sounds good to me.
> >>  =      >
> >>      =  > One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's
> >>Linux-ABI-in-Illumos,
> = >>       > which uses runs Docker Linux = containers natively in Illumos:
> >>    =    > https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising> >>       >
> >>       > It's possible to = do, appears to be used in production, but is
> = >>clearly very
> >>      =  > complex.  Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post = :-)
> >>       >
> >>
> >> The concept was = around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. Google
> = >>'linux branded zone solaris'. And
> >> = what was shipped was actually the second iteration of the idea (the
> >>first one being very hacky).
>>



-- 
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PR = Manager
The Linux Foundation
sconway@linuxfoundation.org
(978) = 578-5300  Cell
Skype: =  sarah.k.conway
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[151.229.80.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h6sm18509705wiy.3.2015.08.11.04.32.39 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Aug 2015 04:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:32:39 +0100 Message-Id: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> <9AAE0902D5BC7E449B7C8E4E778ABCD02F578EAF@AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net> To: Sarah Conway X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Lars Kurth , Stefano Stabellini , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5059376813049874044==" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --===============5059376813049874044== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_05BD9109-D007-42FE-B100-37EAE70BCE9C" --Apple-Mail=_05BD9109-D007-42FE-B100-37EAE70BCE9C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Let's say at 15:00 UK time today? Lars > On 11 Aug 2015, at 02:53, Sarah Conway = wrote: >=20 > Yes, that would be great. Once it goes live, I'll push it on social. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Stefano Stabellini = >wrote: > I guess the Docker piece should be published sometime tomorrow > (Tuesday)? >=20 > On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Lars Kurth wrote: > > We should run the Rumpkernel piece first. Maybe tomorrow? I need = someone > > else to pull the trigger, after Antti is done with his piece and = happy > > That would buy Sarah some time > > Lars > > > > On 06/08/2015 14:12, "Stefano Stabellini" > > > wrote: > > > > >Hi Sarah, > > > > > >that makes sense to me. I think it is mostly ready and shouldn't = change > > >much in next couple of days. Certainly it will be publishable on = Monday > > >next week. > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Stefano > > > > > >On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Sarah Conway wrote: > > >> Question, when will this run? I'd like to send it to a few = reporters in > > >>advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or > > >> Tuesday so I can pitch reporters tomorrow and Monday? I would = like to > > >>add some promos to the end re: relevant > > >> talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too. > > >> Sarah > > >> > > >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant = > > > >>wrote: > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org = [mailto:publicity- = > > >> > bounces@lists.xenproject.org = ] On Behalf Of Anil Madhavapeddy > > >> > Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13 > > >> > To: Stefano Stabellini > > >> > Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org = > > >> > Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >> > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >> > >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Hi all, > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article = for > > >>the Xen Project > > >> > >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=3D10910&preview=3Dtrue= > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no > > >>resemblance to the > > >> > >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are > > >>complementary to > > >> > >>>> Docker's future). How about "Docker: meet virtual > > >>machines", or > > >> > something > > >> > >>>> similar? > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> Yes, I think you are right. > > >> > >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual = Machines"? > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a = Virtual > > >>Machine > > >> > manager" or something (not quite right). > > >> > > > > >> > > What about starting with the simple question that is = phrased > > >>at the > > >> > > beginning of the article: > > >> > > > > >> > > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines?" > > >> > > > >> > Excellent! That sounds good to me. > > >> > > > >> > One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's > > >>Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, > > >> > which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in = Illumos: > > >> > https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising = > > >> > > > >> > It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, = but is > > >>clearly very > > >> > complex. Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) > > >> > > > >> > > >> The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. = Google > > >>'linux branded zone solaris'. And > > >> what was shipped was actually the second iteration of the idea = (the > > >>first one being very hacky). > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sarah Conway > PR Manager > The Linux Foundation > sconway@linuxfoundation.org > (978) 578-5300 Cell > Skype: sarah.k.conway > _______________________________________________ > Publicity mailing list > Publicity@lists.xenproject.org > http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity = --Apple-Mail=_05BD9109-D007-42FE-B100-37EAE70BCE9C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Let's say at 15:00 UK time today?
Lars

On 11 Aug 2015, at 02:53, Sarah Conway <sconway@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

Yes, that would be = great. Once it goes live, I'll push it on social.

Thanks,

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:07 PM, = Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>wrote:
I guess the Docker = piece should be published sometime tomorrow
(Tuesday)?

On = Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Lars Kurth wrote:
> We should run the = Rumpkernel piece first. Maybe tomorrow? I need someone
> = else to pull the trigger, after Antti is done with his piece and = happy
> That would buy Sarah some time
>= Lars
>
> On 06/08/2015 14:12, = "Stefano Stabellini"
> <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi Sarah,
> = >
> >that makes sense to me. I think it is mostly = ready and shouldn't change
> >much in next couple of = days. Certainly it will be publishable on Monday
> = >next week.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Stefano
> = >
> >On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Sarah Conway wrote:
> >> Question, when will this run? I'd like to send = it to a few reporters in
> >>advance. Maybe tee = it up for Monday or
> >> Tuesday so I can pitch = reporters tomorrow and Monday?  I would like to
> = >>add some promos to the end re: relevant
> = >> talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too.
> = >> Sarah
> >>
> >> = On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant <Paul.Durrant@citrix.com>
> = >>wrote:
> >>      =  > -----Original Message-----
> >>  =      > From: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:publicity-
> = >>       > bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil = Madhavapeddy
> >>       > = Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13
> >>    =    > To: Stefano Stabellini
> = >>       > Cc: Lars Kurth; publicity@lists.xenproject.org
> = >>       > Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker = versus Virtual Machines
> >>      =  >
> >>       >
> >>       > > On 6 Aug = 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini
> >>  =      > <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> >>       > >
> >>       > > On Wed, 5 = Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
> >>  =      > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano = Stabellini
> >>       > = <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> >>       > >>>
> >>       > >>> On = Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:
> = >>       > >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, = at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini
> >>    =    > <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> >>       > = >>>>>
> >>      =  > >>>>> Hi all,
> = >>       > >>>>>
> >>       > = >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article = for
> >>the Xen Project
> = >>       > >>>>> blog, let = me know what you think!
> >>      =  > >>>>>
> >>    =    > >>>>> https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=3D10910&preview=3Dtrue> >>       > = >>>>
> >>      =  > >>>> I like it all except for the title, which = bears no
> >>resemblance to the
> = >>       > >>>> contents of the = post (which is about how VMs are
> = >>complementary to
> >>      =  > >>>> Docker's future).  How about "Docker: = meet virtual
> >>machines", or
> = >>       > something
> = >>       > >>>> similar?
> >>       > >>>
> >>       > >>> = Yes, I think you are right.
> >>    =    > >>> What about "Docker and the future of = Virtual Machines"?
> >>      =  > >>
> >>      =  > >> Something a little more specific? "Using Docker as a = Virtual
> >>Machine
> = >>       > manager" or something (not quite = right).
> >>       > = >
> >>       > > = What about starting with the simple question that is phrased
> >>at the
> >>    =    > > beginning of the article:
> = >>       > >
> = >>       > > "Will Docker replace = Virtual Machines?"
> >>      =  >
> >>       > = Excellent! That sounds good to me.
> >>  =      >
> >>      =  > One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's
> >>Linux-ABI-in-Illumos,
> = >>       > which uses runs Docker Linux = containers natively in Illumos:
> >>    =    > https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising> >>       >
> >>       > It's possible to = do, appears to be used in production, but is
> = >>clearly very
> >>      =  > complex.  Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post = :-)
> >>       >
> >>
> >> The concept was = around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. Google
> = >>'linux branded zone solaris'. And
> >> = what was shipped was actually the second iteration of the idea (the
> >>first one being very hacky).
>>



-- 
Sarah Conway
PR = Manager
The Linux Foundation
sconway@linuxfoundation.org
(978) = 578-5300  Cell
Skype: =  sarah.k.conway
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= --Apple-Mail=_05BD9109-D007-42FE-B100-37EAE70BCE9C-- --===============5059376813049874044== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity --===============5059376813049874044==-- From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Tue Aug 11 11:36:19 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:36:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZP7qt-0002sK-Ct; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:36:19 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZP7qs-0002sF-3n for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:36:18 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-5.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id C3/B8-06021-13ED9C55; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:36:17 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=658dc63cb=Stefano.Stabellini@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1439292975!34044225!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n, received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 17431 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2015 11:36:16 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-8.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 11 Aug 2015 11:36:16 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,652,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="289973866" Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:34:46 +0100 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> <9AAE0902D5BC7E449B7C8E4E778ABCD02F578EAF@AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1342847746-688939978-1439292892=:11337" X-DLP: MIA2 Cc: Lars Kurth , Stefano Stabellini , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --1342847746-688939978-1439292892=:11337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Length: 6747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sure On Tue, 11 Aug 2015, Lars Kurth wrote: > Let's say at 15:00 UK time today=3FLars > > On 11 Aug 2015, at 02:53, Sarah Conway wrote: > > Yes, that would be great. Once it goes live, I'll push it on social. > Thanks, > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Stefano > Stabellini=C2=A0wrote: > I guess the Docker piece should be published sometime tomorrow > (Tuesday)=3F > > On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Lars Kurth wrote: > > We should run the Rumpkernel piece first. Maybe tomorrow=3F I need > someone > > else to pull the trigger, after Antti is done with his piece and > happy > > That would buy Sarah some time > > Lars > > > > On 06/08/2015 14:12, "Stefano Stabellini" > > wrote: > > > > >Hi Sarah, > > > > > >that makes sense to me. I think it is mostly ready and shouldn't > change > > >much in next couple of days. Certainly it will be publishable on > Monday > > >next week. > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Stefano > > > > > >On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Sarah Conway wrote: > > >> Question, when will this run=3F I'd like to send it to a few > reporters in > > >>advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or > > >> Tuesday so I can pitch reporters tomorrow and Monday=3F=C2=A0 I would > like to > > >>add some promos to the end re: relevant > > >> talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too. > > >> Sarah > > >> > > >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant > > > >>wrote: > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -----Original Message----- > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > From:=C2=A0publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org=C2=A0[mailto:publicity- > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil > Madhavapeddy > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13 > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> To: Stefano Stabellini > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Cc: Lars Kurth;=C2=A0publicity@lists.xenproject.org > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> wrote: > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> wrote: > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> wrote: > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> Hi all, > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article > for > > >>the Xen Project > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>>=C2=A0https://blog.xenproject.org/=3Fp=3D10910&preview=3Dtrue > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no > > >>resemblance to the > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are > > >>complementary to > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> Docker's future).=C2=A0 How about "Docker: meet virtual > > >>machines", or > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> something > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> similar=3F > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>> Yes, I think you are right. > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual > Machines"=3F > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> Something a little more specific=3F "Using Docker as a > Virtual > > >>Machine > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> manager" or something (not quite right). > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > What about starting with the simple question that is > phrased > > >>at the > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > beginning of the article: > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines=3F" > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Excellent! That sounds good to me. > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's > > >>Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in > Illumos: > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, > but is > > >>clearly very > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> complex.=C2=A0 Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > >> > > >> The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. > Google > > >>'linux branded zone solaris'. And > > >> what was shipped was actually the second iteration of the idea > (the > > >>first one being very hacky). > > > > > > > > > --=C2=A0 > Sarah Conway > PR Manager > The Linux Foundation > sconway@linuxfoundation.org > (978) 578-5300 =C2=A0Cell > Skype: =C2=A0sarah.k.conway > _______________________________________________ > Publicity mailing list > Publicity@lists.xenproject.org > http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity > > > > --1342847746-688939978-1439292892=:11337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity --1342847746-688939978-1439292892=:11337-- From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Tue Aug 11 11:36:19 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:36:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZP7qt-0002sK-Ct; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:36:19 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZP7qs-0002sF-3n for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:36:18 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68] by server-5.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id C3/B8-06021-13ED9C55; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:36:17 +0000 X-Env-Sender: prvs=658dc63cb=Stefano.Stabellini@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1439292975!34044225!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n, received_headers: No Received headers X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 17431 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2015 11:36:16 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-8.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 11 Aug 2015 11:36:16 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,652,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="289973866" Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:34:46 +0100 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <38A49ABA-5C88-4D50-B62E-6E436E0FC625@recoil.org> <9FE53A76-97F3-4CC9-9E36-A11F0246F5DD@recoil.org> <39506E95-E8F9-43AD-83FA-0EDD5D5BB51E@recoil.org> <9AAE0902D5BC7E449B7C8E4E778ABCD02F578EAF@AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1342847746-688939978-1439292892=:11337" X-DLP: MIA2 Cc: Lars Kurth , Stefano Stabellini , "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --1342847746-688939978-1439292892=:11337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Length: 6747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sure On Tue, 11 Aug 2015, Lars Kurth wrote: > Let's say at 15:00 UK time today=3FLars > > On 11 Aug 2015, at 02:53, Sarah Conway wrote: > > Yes, that would be great. Once it goes live, I'll push it on social. > Thanks, > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Stefano > Stabellini=C2=A0wrote: > I guess the Docker piece should be published sometime tomorrow > (Tuesday)=3F > > On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Lars Kurth wrote: > > We should run the Rumpkernel piece first. Maybe tomorrow=3F I need > someone > > else to pull the trigger, after Antti is done with his piece and > happy > > That would buy Sarah some time > > Lars > > > > On 06/08/2015 14:12, "Stefano Stabellini" > > wrote: > > > > >Hi Sarah, > > > > > >that makes sense to me. I think it is mostly ready and shouldn't > change > > >much in next couple of days. Certainly it will be publishable on > Monday > > >next week. > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Stefano > > > > > >On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Sarah Conway wrote: > > >> Question, when will this run=3F I'd like to send it to a few > reporters in > > >>advance. Maybe tee it up for Monday or > > >> Tuesday so I can pitch reporters tomorrow and Monday=3F=C2=A0 I would > like to > > >>add some promos to the end re: relevant > > >> talks at XenDevSummit and CloudOpen too. > > >> Sarah > > >> > > >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Paul Durrant > > > >>wrote: > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -----Original Message----- > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > From:=C2=A0publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org=C2=A0[mailto:publicity- > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Anil > Madhavapeddy > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Sent: 06 August 2015 12:13 > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> To: Stefano Stabellini > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Cc: Lars Kurth;=C2=A0publicity@lists.xenproject.org > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Subject: Re: [Publicity] Docker versus Virtual Machines > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > On 6 Aug 2015, at 10:15, Stefano Stabellini > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> wrote: > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:27, Stefano Stabellini > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> wrote: > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 12:27, Stefano Stabellini > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> wrote: > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> Hi all, > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> I wrote a "Docker versus Virtual Machines" article > for > > >>the Xen Project > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> blog, let me know what you think! > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>>>=C2=A0https://blog.xenproject.org/=3Fp=3D10910&preview=3Dtrue > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> I like it all except for the title, which bears no > > >>resemblance to the > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> contents of the post (which is about how VMs are > > >>complementary to > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> Docker's future).=C2=A0 How about "Docker: meet virtual > > >>machines", or > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> something > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>>> similar=3F > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>> Yes, I think you are right. > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>> What about "Docker and the future of Virtual > Machines"=3F > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> Something a little more specific=3F "Using Docker as a > Virtual > > >>Machine > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> manager" or something (not quite right). > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > What about starting with the simple question that is > phrased > > >>at the > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > beginning of the article: > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > "Will Docker replace Virtual Machines=3F" > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Excellent! That sounds good to me. > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> One epic hack that is a non-native container is Joyent's > > >>Linux-ABI-in-Illumos, > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> which uses runs Docker Linux containers natively in > Illumos: > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0https://www.joyent.com/blog/2014-in-review-docker-rising > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> It's possible to do, appears to be used in production, > but is > > >>clearly very > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> complex.=C2=A0 Unsure how to phrase that in a blog post :-) > > >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > > >> > > >> The concept was around while I was still at Sun ~10 years ago. > Google > > >>'linux branded zone solaris'. 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It is currently still in review with Alibaba. https://blog.xenproject.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=10939&action=edit&message=10 -- Sarah Conway PR Manager The Linux Foundation sconway@linuxfoundation.org (978) 578-5300 Cell Skype: sarah.k.conway --001a113fb6e099525a051d124431 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I think I might have sent the wrong url for previewing the= blog.=C2=A0

Try this instead:=C2=A0https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=3D1093= 9&preview=3Dtrue

Alibaba just approved this.=C2= =A0

On= Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Sarah Conway <sconway@linuxfoun= dation.org> wrote:
This will go out mid-morning TH after the news release crosses the= wire.=C2=A0

It is currently still in review with Alibab= a.=C2=A0

https://blog.xenproject.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=3D10939&acti= on=3Dedit&message=3D10

--
Sarah = Conway
PR Manager
The Linux Foundation
sconway@linuxfoun= dation.org
(978) 578-5300 =C2=A0Cell
Skype: = =C2=A0sarah.k.conway



--
Sarah Conway
PR Ma= nager
The Linux Foundation
sconway@linuxfoundation.org
(97= 8) 578-5300 =C2=A0Cell
Skype: =C2=A0sarah.k.conway
--089e013cc1687298b0051d124a9d-- --===============2322453553394853238== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity --===============2322453553394853238==-- From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Wed Aug 12 00:28:05 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:28:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZPJtl-0000MD-SU; Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:28:05 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZPJti-0000LS-4p for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:28:04 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211] by server-4.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id E7/46-24856-1139AC55; Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:28:01 +0000 X-Env-Sender: sconway@linuxfoundation.org X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1439339279!27341810!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.213.173] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.6 required=7.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_BY_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 2576 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2015 00:28:00 -0000 Received: from mail-ig0-f173.google.com (HELO mail-ig0-f173.google.com) (209.85.213.173) by server-5.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 12 Aug 2015 00:28:00 -0000 Received: by igui7 with SMTP id i7so51793617igu.1 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 17:27:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ly32sYGrJzEil1gDjBgZLE/VYEC1lSG+k8MktrEnB+Q=; b=Vfb7J98Bs90r0UdCoJ8rbeG462kzPlYktKTeX37tmaEgXkixha9GNUuoFCEmTjMerN fcwYfozOAG9Q5hSl1J+z6rC+xPmRZNEGKlDAV8oNiAHNKSJbKyDDKvnPN9UCied8kjzU HpCVMWqmbgpqFb/QhqXV7ZtSmk8oZCAm9zCFU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Ly32sYGrJzEil1gDjBgZLE/VYEC1lSG+k8MktrEnB+Q=; b=Rtttg3Y7/w3pq6fS6CyJRvnuOdlkgTxVJjR7xEs1AdZ9gdbNPDSgj6wk3/emm8sC57 ELv0no5h7sjjnqxSzFyRmzR1w7QDIaaF5iAbxr17OaqJsxJrbYclchPEUKRe44BcmjEo hT00xYSdplnqgoTxfvwrsUtI5+KlFCGzzB12eqBiiFIahqHIIA2M/LDI0IxI4v4NX2dq Z5A73SaRCeoCb7rEgi4WmcSOb9sf/czjlp9jLIqXZ8TVMUPzzbKkiv+mlW+ifmwN6kz7 UdPOB1PpQv7AG4O1q8/R/mQi8yeVBNVZgYdIOWjftYJ3n2tbOoORV7nUd/VE4hug+uh5 /bGg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnw5YNGYcz8muRk4xS3Cg9w7Lm671MCfTheQtLrUukqpEeeOsi0oox08Fcx5WvtLV3mN5rG MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.79.197 with SMTP id l5mr20040214igx.67.1439339279186; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 17:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.15.75 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 17:27:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 20:27:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: Sarah Conway To: "publicity@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Publicity] Blog draft for review re: Welcoming Alibaba to Xen Project X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2322453553394853238==" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --===============2322453553394853238== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013cc1687298b0051d124a9d --089e013cc1687298b0051d124a9d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I think I might have sent the wrong url for previewing the blog. Try this instead: https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=10939&preview=true Alibaba just approved this. On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Sarah Conway wrote: > This will go out mid-morning TH after the news release crosses the wire. > > It is currently still in review with Alibaba. > > > https://blog.xenproject.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=10939&action=edit&message=10 > > -- > Sarah Conway > PR Manager > The Linux Foundation > sconway@linuxfoundation.org > (978) 578-5300 Cell > Skype: sarah.k.conway > -- Sarah Conway PR Manager The Linux Foundation sconway@linuxfoundation.org (978) 578-5300 Cell Skype: sarah.k.conway --089e013cc1687298b0051d124a9d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think I might have sent the wrong url for previewing the= blog.=C2=A0

Try this instead:=C2=A0https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=3D1093= 9&preview=3Dtrue

Alibaba just approved this.=C2= =A0

On= Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Sarah Conway <sconway@linuxfoun= dation.org> wrote:
This will go out mid-morning TH after the news release crosses the= wire.=C2=A0

It is currently still in review with Alibab= a.=C2=A0

https://blog.xenproject.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=3D10939&acti= on=3Dedit&message=3D10

--
Sarah = Conway
PR Manager
The Linux Foundation
sconway@linuxfoun= dation.org
(978) 578-5300 =C2=A0Cell
Skype: = =C2=A0sarah.k.conway



--
Sarah Conway
PR Ma= nager
The Linux Foundation
sconway@linuxfoundation.org
(97= 8) 578-5300 =C2=A0Cell
Skype: =C2=A0sarah.k.conway
--089e013cc1687298b0051d124a9d-- --===============2322453553394853238== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity --===============2322453553394853238==-- From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Mon Aug 24 16:50:56 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 16:50:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTuxS-00049f-Er; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 16:50:54 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTuxQ-00049a-RR for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 16:50:52 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-10.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 53/DB-01143-C6B4BD55; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 16:50:52 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1440435048!43497165!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.212.176] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 27822 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2015 16:50:48 -0000 Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com (HELO mail-wi0-f176.google.com) (209.85.212.176) by server-7.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 24 Aug 2015 16:50:48 -0000 Received: by wijp15 with SMTP id p15so83670373wij.0 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:50:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=0eLjfs7lBYSAjlg+HxcKOd4a0FsNEAbrQv6EElDCsIo=; b=K1CNkSQgSLcGWEQoYWlI+wgMB5i6lmQlElqcmGqe3EV77WSX8pW+PwekgV2NY188KV DJ8VL9OeqnlRkxCMYegDAX+IRwxvTcn4Inc/Q1ZO1dkV5vX2Bh4WN89K5N23F/5OL280 s64vGE231PIFHW14dEXgdiYrzLb6KrzlRrLXS7uCEmg17IhAnrnm+2ycrHFFmh6VWTPc Ibyvk4Vi2IucR9HJp35kdhQKgfadVMvBZEUlu/CqAtKxBiYH1hYtGTPB253k/ZvYgUOO ssGekZViiVuzBVELjfeJll6FFADhMakRP7KhyrvFW4nRDmpO5DwfynKMpiLR+KfVwjn6 Y3ew== X-Received: by 10.180.37.7 with SMTP id u7mr29915246wij.79.1440435046924; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (97e55056.skybroadband.com. [151.229.80.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ho10sm23948393wjb.39.2015.08.24.09.50.45 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:50:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Lars Kurth Message-Id: Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 17:50:45 +0100 To: publicity@lists.xenproject.org, Sarah Conway Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Subject: [Publicity] Xen Project Dev Summit Event Report X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3092852310961267741==" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --===============3092852310961267741== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E801B298-0DE1-4948-97DE-FBE960B430B3" --Apple-Mail=_E801B298-0DE1-4948-97DE-FBE960B430B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Posted my first draft!=20 https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=3D10955&preview=3Dtrue = @Sarah, feel free to make mods and publish later today Best Regards Lars= --Apple-Mail=_E801B298-0DE1-4948-97DE-FBE960B430B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Posted my first draft! 

@Sarah, feel free to make mods and publish later today

Best Regards
Lars
--Apple-Mail=_E801B298-0DE1-4948-97DE-FBE960B430B3-- --===============3092852310961267741== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Publicity mailing list Publicity@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/publicity --===============3092852310961267741==-- From publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Mon Aug 24 16:50:56 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 16:50:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTuxS-00049f-Er; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 16:50:54 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTuxQ-00049a-RR for publicity@lists.xenproject.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 16:50:52 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147] by server-10.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 53/DB-01143-C6B4BD55; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 16:50:52 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1440435048!43497165!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.212.176] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.13.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 27822 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2015 16:50:48 -0000 Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com (HELO mail-wi0-f176.google.com) (209.85.212.176) by server-7.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 24 Aug 2015 16:50:48 -0000 Received: by wijp15 with SMTP id p15so83670373wij.0 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:50:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=0eLjfs7lBYSAjlg+HxcKOd4a0FsNEAbrQv6EElDCsIo=; b=K1CNkSQgSLcGWEQoYWlI+wgMB5i6lmQlElqcmGqe3EV77WSX8pW+PwekgV2NY188KV DJ8VL9OeqnlRkxCMYegDAX+IRwxvTcn4Inc/Q1ZO1dkV5vX2Bh4WN89K5N23F/5OL280 s64vGE231PIFHW14dEXgdiYrzLb6KrzlRrLXS7uCEmg17IhAnrnm+2ycrHFFmh6VWTPc Ibyvk4Vi2IucR9HJp35kdhQKgfadVMvBZEUlu/CqAtKxBiYH1hYtGTPB253k/ZvYgUOO ssGekZViiVuzBVELjfeJll6FFADhMakRP7KhyrvFW4nRDmpO5DwfynKMpiLR+KfVwjn6 Y3ew== X-Received: by 10.180.37.7 with SMTP id u7mr29915246wij.79.1440435046924; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (97e55056.skybroadband.com. [151.229.80.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ho10sm23948393wjb.39.2015.08.24.09.50.45 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:50:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Lars Kurth Message-Id: Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 17:50:45 +0100 To: publicity@lists.xenproject.org, Sarah Conway Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Subject: [Publicity] Xen Project Dev Summit Event Report X-BeenThere: publicity@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen Publicity, PR and events" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3092852310961267741==" Sender: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: publicity-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --===============3092852310961267741== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E801B298-0DE1-4948-97DE-FBE960B430B3" --Apple-Mail=_E801B298-0DE1-4948-97DE-FBE960B430B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Posted my first draft!=20 https://blog.xenproject.org/?p=3D10955&preview=3Dtrue = @Sarah, feel free to make mods and publish later today Best Regards Lars= --Apple-Mail=_E801B298-0DE1-4948-97DE-FBE960B430B3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Posted my first draft! 

@Sarah, feel free to make mods and publish later today

Best Regards
Lars
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