From wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Tue Dec 03 13:17:42 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:17:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VnprC-0000c4-LY for archives@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:17:42 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VnprB-0000bz-0F for wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:17:41 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68:11373] by server-12.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 65/F4-20055-4F9DD925; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:17:40 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1386076657!612381!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.63] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni42MyA9PiAzMDYwNDg=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 11365 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2013 13:17:39 -0000 Received: from smtp02.citrix.com (HELO SMTP02.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.63) by server-16.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 3 Dec 2013 13:17:39 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,818,1378857600"; d="scan'208,217";a="77706034" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO02.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 03 Dec 2013 13:17:36 +0000 Received: from AMSPEX01CL02.citrite.net (10.69.46.33) by FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net (10.13.107.79) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 08:17:36 -0500 Received: from AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net ([169.254.6.128]) by AMSPEX01CL02.citrite.net ([10.69.46.33]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.004; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 14:17:35 +0100 From: Lars Kurth To: "wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org" Thread-Topic: WG Meeting Thread-Index: Ac7wKcpmwrx2yuVDTRWFsDklbRYXGQ== Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 13:17:34 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.16.2.30] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA2 Subject: [Wg-test-framework] WG Meeting X-BeenThere: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Xen Project Test Framework Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3344034041683841209==" Sender: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --===============3344034041683841209== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90F34F5AMSPEX01CL01citri_" --_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90F34F5AMSPEX01CL01citri_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I set up the meeting for 15:00 UK time for every 2nd Thursday of the month.= Please do let me know, if you did not receive it Regards Lars --_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90F34F5AMSPEX01CL01citri_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

I set up the meeting for 15:00 UK time for every = 2nd Thursday of the month. Please do let me know, if you did not= receive it

Regards

Lars

 

--_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90F34F5AMSPEX01CL01citri_-- --===============3344034041683841209== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Wg-test-framework mailing list Wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wg-test-framework --===============3344034041683841209==-- From wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Tue Dec 03 13:17:42 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:17:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VnprC-0000c4-LY for archives@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:17:42 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VnprB-0000bz-0F for wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:17:41 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68:11373] by server-12.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 65/F4-20055-4F9DD925; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:17:40 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1386076657!612381!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.63] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni42MyA9PiAzMDYwNDg=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 11365 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2013 13:17:39 -0000 Received: from smtp02.citrix.com (HELO SMTP02.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.63) by server-16.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 3 Dec 2013 13:17:39 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,818,1378857600"; d="scan'208,217";a="77706034" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO02.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 03 Dec 2013 13:17:36 +0000 Received: from AMSPEX01CL02.citrite.net (10.69.46.33) by FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net (10.13.107.79) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 08:17:36 -0500 Received: from AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net ([169.254.6.128]) by AMSPEX01CL02.citrite.net ([10.69.46.33]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.004; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 14:17:35 +0100 From: Lars Kurth To: "wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org" Thread-Topic: WG Meeting Thread-Index: Ac7wKcpmwrx2yuVDTRWFsDklbRYXGQ== Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 13:17:34 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.16.2.30] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA2 Subject: [Wg-test-framework] WG Meeting X-BeenThere: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Xen Project Test Framework Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3344034041683841209==" Sender: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --===============3344034041683841209== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90F34F5AMSPEX01CL01citri_" --_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90F34F5AMSPEX01CL01citri_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I set up the meeting for 15:00 UK time for every 2nd Thursday of the month.= Please do let me know, if you did not receive it Regards Lars --_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90F34F5AMSPEX01CL01citri_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

I set up the meeting for 15:00 UK time for every = 2nd Thursday of the month. Please do let me know, if you did not= receive it

Regards

Lars

 

--_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90F34F5AMSPEX01CL01citri_-- --===============3344034041683841209== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Wg-test-framework mailing list Wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wg-test-framework --===============3344034041683841209==-- From wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Tue Dec 03 20:15:51 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 20:15:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VnwNr-0006Ds-77 for archives@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 20:15:51 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VnwNp-0006Dk-9y for wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 20:15:49 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68:33359] by server-7.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id D4/10-27599-4FB3E925; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 20:15:48 +0000 X-Env-Sender: konrad.wilk@oracle.com X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1386101746!714787!1 X-Originating-IP: [156.151.31.81] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogMTU2LjE1MS4zMS44MSA9PiAyODgzMzk=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 11447 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2013 20:15:47 -0000 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (HELO userp1040.oracle.com) (156.151.31.81) by server-16.tower-31.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 3 Dec 2013 20:15:47 -0000 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rB3KFhhY015540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:15:44 GMT Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rB3KFgQV013704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:15:43 GMT Received: from abhmp0009.oracle.com (abhmp0009.oracle.com [141.146.116.15]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rB3KFgOs000609; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:15:42 GMT Received: from phenom.dumpdata.com (/50.195.21.189) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 12:15:42 -0800 Received: by phenom.dumpdata.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B11AF1BF20B; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:15:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:15:41 -0500 From: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk To: Lars Kurth Message-ID: <20131203201541.GA17195@phenom.dumpdata.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] Cc: "wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Wg-test-framework] WG Meeting X-BeenThere: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Xen Project Test Framework Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 01:17:34PM +0000, Lars Kurth wrote: > Hi all, > > I set up the meeting for 15:00 UK time for every 2nd Thursday of the month. Please do let me know, if you did not receive it I unfortunatly can't do Thursdays at all. Let me see about nominating somebody else from Oracle who can do Thursdays. > > Regards > > Lars > > _______________________________________________ > Wg-test-framework mailing list > Wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org > http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wg-test-framework _______________________________________________ Wg-test-framework mailing list Wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wg-test-framework From wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Tue Dec 03 20:15:51 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 20:15:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VnwNr-0006Ds-77 for archives@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 20:15:51 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VnwNp-0006Dk-9y for wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 20:15:49 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68:33359] by server-7.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id D4/10-27599-4FB3E925; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 20:15:48 +0000 X-Env-Sender: konrad.wilk@oracle.com X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1386101746!714787!1 X-Originating-IP: [156.151.31.81] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogMTU2LjE1MS4zMS44MSA9PiAyODgzMzk=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 11447 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2013 20:15:47 -0000 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (HELO userp1040.oracle.com) (156.151.31.81) by server-16.tower-31.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 3 Dec 2013 20:15:47 -0000 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rB3KFhhY015540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:15:44 GMT Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rB3KFgQV013704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:15:43 GMT Received: from abhmp0009.oracle.com (abhmp0009.oracle.com [141.146.116.15]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rB3KFgOs000609; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:15:42 GMT Received: from phenom.dumpdata.com (/50.195.21.189) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 12:15:42 -0800 Received: by phenom.dumpdata.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B11AF1BF20B; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:15:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:15:41 -0500 From: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk To: Lars Kurth Message-ID: <20131203201541.GA17195@phenom.dumpdata.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] Cc: "wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Wg-test-framework] WG Meeting X-BeenThere: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Xen Project Test Framework Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 01:17:34PM +0000, Lars Kurth wrote: > Hi all, > > I set up the meeting for 15:00 UK time for every 2nd Thursday of the month. Please do let me know, if you did not receive it I unfortunatly can't do Thursdays at all. Let me see about nominating somebody else from Oracle who can do Thursdays. > > Regards > > Lars > > _______________________________________________ > Wg-test-framework mailing list > Wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org > http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wg-test-framework _______________________________________________ Wg-test-framework mailing list Wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wg-test-framework From wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Wed Dec 04 11:28:07 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:28:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VoAch-0004sr-NO for archives@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:28:07 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta4.messagelabs.com ([85.158.143.247]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VoAcf-0004sa-VP for wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:28:06 +0000 Received: from [85.158.143.35:42986] by server-1.bemta-4.messagelabs.com id 7F/D8-02132-5C11F925; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:28:05 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-21.messagelabs.com!1386156483!3283932!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.63] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni42MyA9PiAzMDYwNDg=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 23693 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2013 11:28:04 -0000 Received: from smtp02.citrix.com (HELO SMTP02.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.63) by server-4.tower-21.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Dec 2013 11:28:04 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,824,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="78100438" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL01.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO02.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 04 Dec 2013 11:28:03 +0000 Received: from AMSPEX01CL03.citrite.net (10.69.46.34) by FTLPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.13.107.78) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Wed, 4 Dec 2013 06:28:02 -0500 Received: from AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net ([169.254.6.128]) by AMSPEX01CL03.citrite.net ([10.69.46.34]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.004; Wed, 4 Dec 2013 12:25:46 +0100 From: Lars Kurth To: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk Thread-Topic: [Wg-test-framework] WG Meeting Thread-Index: Ac7wKcpmwrx2yuVDTRWFsDklbRYXGQAMkQGAACHaAfM= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 11:25:46 +0000 Message-ID: References: , <20131203201541.GA17195@phenom.dumpdata.com> In-Reply-To: <20131203201541.GA17195@phenom.dumpdata.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.69.46.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA2 Cc: "wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Wg-test-framework] WG Meeting X-BeenThere: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Xen Project Test Framework Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Konrad, somehow I missed this. Please do look at who from Oracle can look into this Regards Lars ________________________________________ From: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk [konrad.wilk@oracle.com] Sent: 03 December 2013 20:15 To: Lars Kurth Cc: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Wg-test-framework] WG Meeting On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 01:17:34PM +0000, Lars Kurth wrote: > Hi all, > > I set up the meeting for 15:00 UK time for every 2nd Thursday of the month. Please do let me know, if you did not receive it I unfortunatly can't do Thursdays at all. Let me see about nominating somebody else from Oracle who can do Thursdays. > > Regards > > Lars > > _______________________________________________ > Wg-test-framework mailing list > Wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org > http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wg-test-framework _______________________________________________ Wg-test-framework mailing list Wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wg-test-framework From wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Wed Dec 04 11:28:07 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:28:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VoAch-0004sr-NO for archives@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:28:07 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta4.messagelabs.com ([85.158.143.247]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VoAcf-0004sa-VP for wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:28:06 +0000 Received: from [85.158.143.35:42986] by server-1.bemta-4.messagelabs.com id 7F/D8-02132-5C11F925; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:28:05 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-21.messagelabs.com!1386156483!3283932!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.63] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni42MyA9PiAzMDYwNDg=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 23693 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2013 11:28:04 -0000 Received: from smtp02.citrix.com (HELO SMTP02.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.63) by server-4.tower-21.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Dec 2013 11:28:04 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,824,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="78100438" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL01.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO02.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 04 Dec 2013 11:28:03 +0000 Received: from AMSPEX01CL03.citrite.net (10.69.46.34) by FTLPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.13.107.78) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Wed, 4 Dec 2013 06:28:02 -0500 Received: from AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net ([169.254.6.128]) by AMSPEX01CL03.citrite.net ([10.69.46.34]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.004; Wed, 4 Dec 2013 12:25:46 +0100 From: Lars Kurth To: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk Thread-Topic: [Wg-test-framework] WG Meeting Thread-Index: Ac7wKcpmwrx2yuVDTRWFsDklbRYXGQAMkQGAACHaAfM= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 11:25:46 +0000 Message-ID: References: , <20131203201541.GA17195@phenom.dumpdata.com> In-Reply-To: <20131203201541.GA17195@phenom.dumpdata.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.69.46.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA2 Cc: "wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Wg-test-framework] WG Meeting X-BeenThere: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Xen Project Test Framework Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Konrad, somehow I missed this. Please do look at who from Oracle can look into this Regards Lars ________________________________________ From: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk [konrad.wilk@oracle.com] Sent: 03 December 2013 20:15 To: Lars Kurth Cc: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Wg-test-framework] WG Meeting On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 01:17:34PM +0000, Lars Kurth wrote: > Hi all, > > I set up the meeting for 15:00 UK time for every 2nd Thursday of the month. Please do let me know, if you did not receive it I unfortunatly can't do Thursdays at all. Let me see about nominating somebody else from Oracle who can do Thursdays. > > Regards > > Lars > > _______________________________________________ > Wg-test-framework mailing list > Wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org > http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wg-test-framework _______________________________________________ Wg-test-framework mailing list Wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wg-test-framework From wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Fri Dec 06 16:59:33 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 16:59:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VoykX-0005vg-9e for archives@lists.xenproject.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 16:59:33 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VoykW-0005vM-94; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 16:59:32 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147:13624] by server-7.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 0D/F1-15500-37202A25; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 16:59:31 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1386349168!3473335!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.63] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni42MyA9PiAzMDYwNDg=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 31408 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2013 16:59:30 -0000 Received: from smtp02.citrix.com (HELO SMTP02.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.63) by server-5.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Dec 2013 16:59:30 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,841,1378857600"; d="scan'208,217";a="79089818" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL03.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO02.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 06 Dec 2013 16:59:24 +0000 Received: from AMSPEX01CL03.citrite.net (10.69.46.34) by FTLPEX01CL03.citrite.net (10.13.107.80) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 11:59:23 -0500 Received: from AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net ([169.254.6.128]) by AMSPEX01CL03.citrite.net ([10.69.46.34]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.004; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 17:59:22 +0100 From: Lars Kurth To: "wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org" , "advisory-board@lists.xenproject.org" Thread-Topic: Agenda for WG Test Framework group meeting Thread-Index: Ac7yo24dakrNMsT8QBOhBXVvDLA7BQ== Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 16:59:22 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.68.19.243] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA2 Subject: [Wg-test-framework] Agenda for WG Test Framework group meeting X-BeenThere: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Xen Project Test Framework Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8580987300254381687==" Sender: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --===============8580987300254381687== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90F5B73AMSPEX01CL01citri_" --_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90F5B73AMSPEX01CL01citri_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I wanted to quickly touch base with you regarding the WG Test Framework gro= up meeting. There are a few things I wanted to cover: a) I had a conversation with the Linux Foundation on specking out a few opt= ions for possible options for what a test rig hosted at the Linux Foundatio= n would look like and cost The purpose is to have a starting point for some feasibility work * I basically looked at what we have now in OSSTest and where we would like= it to be in terms of Hardware as well as sys admin support * This should give us an indication what can be done within the budget cons= traints available * We can then also check whether the same HW setup would work for OSSTest a= s well as XenRT Hopefully I will get the data in the next couple of days and will be able t= o send this out before the Thursday Test WG meeting. I would then feed this= into the budget for the Xen Project AB. b) An update from Citrix on XenRT c) An update on the test discussion on xen-devel (the timing was bad due to= the release cycle, so we did not get much traction) Best Regards Lars --_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90F5B73AMSPEX01CL01citri_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

I wanted to quickly touch base with you regarding th= e WG Test Framework group meeting. There are a few things I wanted to cover= :

 

a) I had a conversation with the Linux Foundation on= specking out a few options for possible options for what a test rig hosted= at the Linux Foundation would look like and cost

The purpose is to have a starting point for some fea= sibility work

* I basically looked at what we have now in OSSTest = and where we would like it to be in terms of Hardware as well as sys admin = support

* This should give us an indication what can be done= within the budget constraints available

* We can then also check whether the same HW setup w= ould work for OSSTest as well as XenRT

 

Hopefully I will get the data in the next couple of = days and will be able to send this out before the Thursday Test WG meeting.= I would then feed this into the budget for the Xen Project AB.<= /p>

 

b) An update from Citrix on XenRT

 

c) An update on the test discussion on xen-devel (th= e timing was bad due to the release cycle, so we did not get much traction)=

 

Best Regards

Lars

 

--_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90F5B73AMSPEX01CL01citri_-- --===============8580987300254381687== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Wg-test-framework mailing list Wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wg-test-framework --===============8580987300254381687==-- From wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Fri Dec 06 16:59:33 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 16:59:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VoykX-0005vg-9e for archives@lists.xenproject.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 16:59:33 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VoykW-0005vM-94; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 16:59:32 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147:13624] by server-7.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 0D/F1-15500-37202A25; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 16:59:31 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1386349168!3473335!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.63] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni42MyA9PiAzMDYwNDg=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 31408 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2013 16:59:30 -0000 Received: from smtp02.citrix.com (HELO SMTP02.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.63) by server-5.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Dec 2013 16:59:30 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,841,1378857600"; d="scan'208,217";a="79089818" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL03.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO02.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 06 Dec 2013 16:59:24 +0000 Received: from AMSPEX01CL03.citrite.net (10.69.46.34) by FTLPEX01CL03.citrite.net (10.13.107.80) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 11:59:23 -0500 Received: from AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net ([169.254.6.128]) by AMSPEX01CL03.citrite.net ([10.69.46.34]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.004; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 17:59:22 +0100 From: Lars Kurth To: "wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org" , "advisory-board@lists.xenproject.org" Thread-Topic: Agenda for WG Test Framework group meeting Thread-Index: Ac7yo24dakrNMsT8QBOhBXVvDLA7BQ== Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 16:59:22 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.68.19.243] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA2 Subject: [Wg-test-framework] Agenda for WG Test Framework group meeting X-BeenThere: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Xen Project Test Framework Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8580987300254381687==" Sender: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --===============8580987300254381687== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90F5B73AMSPEX01CL01citri_" --_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90F5B73AMSPEX01CL01citri_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I wanted to quickly touch base with you regarding the WG Test Framework gro= up meeting. There are a few things I wanted to cover: a) I had a conversation with the Linux Foundation on specking out a few opt= ions for possible options for what a test rig hosted at the Linux Foundatio= n would look like and cost The purpose is to have a starting point for some feasibility work * I basically looked at what we have now in OSSTest and where we would like= it to be in terms of Hardware as well as sys admin support * This should give us an indication what can be done within the budget cons= traints available * We can then also check whether the same HW setup would work for OSSTest a= s well as XenRT Hopefully I will get the data in the next couple of days and will be able t= o send this out before the Thursday Test WG meeting. I would then feed this= into the budget for the Xen Project AB. b) An update from Citrix on XenRT c) An update on the test discussion on xen-devel (the timing was bad due to= the release cycle, so we did not get much traction) Best Regards Lars --_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90F5B73AMSPEX01CL01citri_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

I wanted to quickly touch base with you regarding th= e WG Test Framework group meeting. There are a few things I wanted to cover= :

 

a) I had a conversation with the Linux Foundation on= specking out a few options for possible options for what a test rig hosted= at the Linux Foundation would look like and cost

The purpose is to have a starting point for some fea= sibility work

* I basically looked at what we have now in OSSTest = and where we would like it to be in terms of Hardware as well as sys admin = support

* This should give us an indication what can be done= within the budget constraints available

* We can then also check whether the same HW setup w= ould work for OSSTest as well as XenRT

 

Hopefully I will get the data in the next couple of = days and will be able to send this out before the Thursday Test WG meeting.= I would then feed this into the budget for the Xen Project AB.<= /p>

 

b) An update from Citrix on XenRT

 

c) An update on the test discussion on xen-devel (th= e timing was bad due to the release cycle, so we did not get much traction)=

 

Best Regards

Lars

 

--_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90F5B73AMSPEX01CL01citri_-- --===============8580987300254381687== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Wg-test-framework mailing list Wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wg-test-framework --===============8580987300254381687==-- From wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Tue Dec 10 11:31:06 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:31:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VqLWs-0001Ni-Of for archives@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:31:06 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VqLWs-0001Nb-A7 for wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:31:06 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68:54758] by server-5.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 63/FB-25188-97BF6A25; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:31:05 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1386675063!2849648!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 22247 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2013 11:31:04 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-12.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 10 Dec 2013 11:31:04 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,865,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="82740277" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO01.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 10 Dec 2013 11:31:02 +0000 Received: from AMSPEX01CL02.citrite.net (10.69.46.33) by FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net (10.13.107.79) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 06:31:02 -0500 Received: from AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net ([169.254.6.128]) by AMSPEX01CL02.citrite.net ([10.69.46.33]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.004; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 12:29:28 +0100 From: Lars Kurth To: "wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org" Thread-Topic: Working out options for hosting a Xen Project System Test Environment Thread-Index: Ac71mUY9D44La4GtRESYrTcM45oKDg== Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:29:28 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.16.2.160] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: Ian Jackson Subject: [Wg-test-framework] Working out options for hosting a Xen Project System Test Environment X-BeenThere: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Xen Project Test Framework Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Dear Test WG members, (+ Ian Jackson who looks after OSSTest now) In order to budget for an independently hosted Test Framework for the Xen Project for 2014 (on the assumption that this is the right thing to do and that we can work out the details in Q1 and Q2), I approached the Linux Foundation to see whether the Linux Foundation could host an environment such as OSSTest or XenRT. We used the existing OSSTest set-up what we have now as a baseline and assumed we would need to grow to about twice the capacity we have now. Unfortunately, the Linux Foundation does not have the capability to support such an environment with the IT services they provide to projects (see Mike Woster's mail below). The key challenge they face is to support a heterogeneous environment. I discussed with the Citrix team, to see what other options we have. Citrix does not have the capability to host such a service outside its firewall. However we do have a number of options, which I wanted to get your input on Thursday. The basic structure of the proposal for costing would be to a) Use a COLO outside of Citrix to host machines and do the basic set-up and wiring and fund through the Xen Project (if one of the AB members could provide this for the project that would be another option, which may save the project funds) b) Procure the necessary Hardware using Xen Project funds c) Investigate how sys-admin and ownership would be handled in principle : the challenge we are facing is that this is a part-time job and that we cannot use a LF resource. This could imply that said resource may have to be employed through an AB vendor (and funded through the project). Chris Shepherd from Citrix, will do some investigation on costing (although it is likely that I don't have data before the Thursday WG meeting). I propose that we discuss what would be acceptable in principle to Working Group and Advisory Board members and feed this back into the Advisory Board meeting on Dec 17th. Best Regards Lars -----Original Message----- From: Mike Woster [mailto:mwoster@linuxfoundation.org] Sent: 06 December 2013 19:31 To: Lars Kurth Cc: Mark Hinkle Subject: Re: Draft Community Plan for Budget Background - please review ASAP Hi Lars, Based on Ian and Konstantin's discussion, the requirements are so unique to Xen Project (its own rack with specific heterogeneous hardware for testing, an hands on person for it), it will require an amazing amount of time. At this time, I am not able to propose anything as we just are not staffed to take this on with our current IT team. We can be a vessel for you to do what you need to do via directed funds, but then all responsibility/management overhead etc would come from Citrix and the Xen Project. This is very different than let's say OpenDaylight where we provide the IT service to them and deliver to them what they need for build/test/ci/codescanning, etc. I am sorry I don't have better news for you. Please let me know if you have any questions. Mike Mike Woster COO Linux Foundation mobile: +1 847 636 1784 mwoster@linuxfoundation.org On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Lars Kurth wrote: > Mark, Mike, > > I put together a community plan for the Xen Project to frame the > budget discussion. Please review > > @Mike: I do need some data on the Test Infrastructure > > Regards > > Lars _______________________________________________ Wg-test-framework mailing list Wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wg-test-framework From wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Tue Dec 10 11:31:06 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:31:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VqLWs-0001Ni-Of for archives@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:31:06 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VqLWs-0001Nb-A7 for wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:31:06 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68:54758] by server-5.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 63/FB-25188-97BF6A25; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:31:05 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1386675063!2849648!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 22247 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2013 11:31:04 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-12.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 10 Dec 2013 11:31:04 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,865,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="82740277" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO01.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 10 Dec 2013 11:31:02 +0000 Received: from AMSPEX01CL02.citrite.net (10.69.46.33) by FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net (10.13.107.79) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 06:31:02 -0500 Received: from AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net ([169.254.6.128]) by AMSPEX01CL02.citrite.net ([10.69.46.33]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.004; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 12:29:28 +0100 From: Lars Kurth To: "wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org" Thread-Topic: Working out options for hosting a Xen Project System Test Environment Thread-Index: Ac71mUY9D44La4GtRESYrTcM45oKDg== Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:29:28 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.16.2.160] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: Ian Jackson Subject: [Wg-test-framework] Working out options for hosting a Xen Project System Test Environment X-BeenThere: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Xen Project Test Framework Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Dear Test WG members, (+ Ian Jackson who looks after OSSTest now) In order to budget for an independently hosted Test Framework for the Xen Project for 2014 (on the assumption that this is the right thing to do and that we can work out the details in Q1 and Q2), I approached the Linux Foundation to see whether the Linux Foundation could host an environment such as OSSTest or XenRT. We used the existing OSSTest set-up what we have now as a baseline and assumed we would need to grow to about twice the capacity we have now. Unfortunately, the Linux Foundation does not have the capability to support such an environment with the IT services they provide to projects (see Mike Woster's mail below). The key challenge they face is to support a heterogeneous environment. I discussed with the Citrix team, to see what other options we have. Citrix does not have the capability to host such a service outside its firewall. However we do have a number of options, which I wanted to get your input on Thursday. The basic structure of the proposal for costing would be to a) Use a COLO outside of Citrix to host machines and do the basic set-up and wiring and fund through the Xen Project (if one of the AB members could provide this for the project that would be another option, which may save the project funds) b) Procure the necessary Hardware using Xen Project funds c) Investigate how sys-admin and ownership would be handled in principle : the challenge we are facing is that this is a part-time job and that we cannot use a LF resource. This could imply that said resource may have to be employed through an AB vendor (and funded through the project). Chris Shepherd from Citrix, will do some investigation on costing (although it is likely that I don't have data before the Thursday WG meeting). I propose that we discuss what would be acceptable in principle to Working Group and Advisory Board members and feed this back into the Advisory Board meeting on Dec 17th. Best Regards Lars -----Original Message----- From: Mike Woster [mailto:mwoster@linuxfoundation.org] Sent: 06 December 2013 19:31 To: Lars Kurth Cc: Mark Hinkle Subject: Re: Draft Community Plan for Budget Background - please review ASAP Hi Lars, Based on Ian and Konstantin's discussion, the requirements are so unique to Xen Project (its own rack with specific heterogeneous hardware for testing, an hands on person for it), it will require an amazing amount of time. At this time, I am not able to propose anything as we just are not staffed to take this on with our current IT team. We can be a vessel for you to do what you need to do via directed funds, but then all responsibility/management overhead etc would come from Citrix and the Xen Project. This is very different than let's say OpenDaylight where we provide the IT service to them and deliver to them what they need for build/test/ci/codescanning, etc. I am sorry I don't have better news for you. Please let me know if you have any questions. Mike Mike Woster COO Linux Foundation mobile: +1 847 636 1784 mwoster@linuxfoundation.org On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Lars Kurth wrote: > Mark, Mike, > > I put together a community plan for the Xen Project to frame the > budget discussion. Please review > > @Mike: I do need some data on the Test Infrastructure > > Regards > > Lars _______________________________________________ Wg-test-framework mailing list Wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wg-test-framework From wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Thu Dec 12 14:15:51 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:15:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vr73P-0004Yn-DE for archives@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:15:51 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vr73N-0004Yg-WB for wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:15:50 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147:16963] by server-4.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 11/65-03916-515C9A25; Thu, 12 Dec 2013 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server-10.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 17 Dec 2013 12:31:00 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,501,1384300800"; d="scan'208,217";a="85290249" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO01.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2013 12:30:58 +0000 Received: from AMSPEX01CL03.citrite.net (10.69.46.34) by FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net (10.13.107.79) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:30:58 -0500 Received: from AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net ([169.254.6.128]) by AMSPEX01CL03.citrite.net ([10.69.46.34]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.004; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:30:56 +0100 From: Lars Kurth To: "wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org" , "advisory-board@lists.xenproject.org" Thread-Topic: [Minutes] December Test WG framework meeting Thread-Index: Ac77HkpjiL3eXH9JSSuINzBl10Mexg== Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:30:56 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.68.19.243] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA2 Subject: [Wg-test-framework] [Minutes] December Test WG framework meeting X-BeenThere: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Xen Project Test Framework Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7749367970963622933==" Sender: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --===============7749367970963622933== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90FC11DAMSPEX01CL01citri_" --_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90FC11DAMSPEX01CL01citri_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =3D=3D Attendees =3D=3D * Lars Kurth (chair) * Aravind Gopalakrishnan (AMD) * Greg Lutostanski (Calxeda) * Chris Shepherd (Citrix) * Donald D Dugger (Intel) * Don Slutz (Verizon) =3D=3D Costing of Test Framework (outside of the LF) =3D=3D We originally assumed that the Linux Foundation could host a test framework= for the Xen Project : however due to the heterogeneity of the environment = this is not feasible. The Linux Foundation does not have the capability to = support the Xen Project need's. Chris Shepherd put together a costing based on a) External COLO space b) Procuring a set of machines c) Initial setup (one-off-cost) d) As well as ongoing HW maintenance together with effort needed for r= emote management We discussed this proposal at the meeting and came to the conclusion that t= he costing is reasonable (assuming that the community wants a Test Framewor= k) {{Action|Lars}} Incorporate into budget {{Tick}} The open question was how to handle resourcing for HW maintenance and Remot= e Management in principle. There are several options: * Vendor(s) to donate time and effort * Project to fund a head (working at the Linux Foundation, this looks unlik= ely given the previous conversation with the Linux Foundation) * Funding resource from within the Xen Project, but have resource work for = a vendor The consensus was, that the Advisory Board needs to make a recommendation o= n what is acceptable. {{Action|Lars}} to raise at next Advisory Board meeting On hosting the Hardware on a vendor site , there were a number of options b= esides hosting at a 3rd party: * Don from Intel had discussed this internally and hosting machines at Inte= l may be a possibility * Chris from Citrix, clarified that Citrix could do this too in principle (= initially we assumed otherwise) * There is also a possibility that Verizon could do this also {{Action|DonD, Chris, DonS) to follow up internally But again, this would need to be discussed at the Advisory Board. We also had a discussion on what type of hardware could be hosted: the cons= traint is that *only* publicly available Hardware can be included. Includin= g prototype Hardware is not practical due to NDAs and other agreements that= would be required. We also had a brief discussion on whether there would be value for Hardware= Vendors to set up a test infrastructure locally for *unusual* or *prototyp= e* hardware. The consensus was that this may be of interest. Intel felt, th= at this was only valuable for *regression testing*, not for *development*. =3D=3D Update on XenRT (Chris) =3D=3D No progress due to: * http://osuosl.org/ has been unresponsive * Chris stated, that he has not been pushing hard enough {{Action|Chris}} Get this going again =3D=3D Update on xen-devel discussion on testing for Xen =3D=3D Lars summarized the thread called "Testing for the Xen Project" on xen deve= l mailing lists. The agreement by the community seems to be: * We have some local test suites which could be run, but are probably not a= s they are poorly documented * We expect people to do some targeted local testing (presumably performed= in a manual manner) of the features they developed and of those which may= be impacted. But we don't actually always know whether they do (although o= ften we do spot this). * osstest (or system testing in general) is *extremely* valuable * building out the infrastructure for system testing (aka number and divers= ity of boxes) would be *extremely* valuable - this really means funding ha= rdware, hosting and sysadmin time * It might also be worth considering spending some money kickstarting devel= opment of the actual tests (i.e. fleshing out the suites) * *Test on demand* would be a nice long term goal DonS: Don Slutz from Verizon agreed that being able to test before submissi= ons would be extremely valuable * Some members of the community are intending to make OSSTest more accessi= ble by improving docs and sharing their experience * At a minimum it ought to be possible to allow access to any employee of a= project member, since we have the opportunity through the membership, proc= ess to put whatever paperwork and agreements (acceptable use etc) in place. My take-away from this discussion is that we are going in the right directi= on. The osstest vs. XenRT discussion does however remain sensitive. To move= to XenRT, a number of doubts by the community would need to be addressed. =3D=3D AOB =3D=3D * Next meeting: Lars is travelling for the January meeting and asked whethe= r anybody else would volunteer the next meeting. Nobody stepped up, so we w= ill have to cancel the January meeting --_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90FC11DAMSPEX01CL01citri_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

=3D=3D Attendees =3D=3D

* Lars Kurth (chair)

* Aravind Gopalakrishnan (AMD)

* Greg Lutostanski (Calxeda)

* Chris Shepherd (Citrix)

* Donald D Dugger (Intel)

* Don Slutz (Verizon)

 

=3D=3D Costing of Test Framework (outside of the LF)= =3D=3D

We originally assumed that the Linux Foundation coul= d host a test framework for the Xen Project : however due to the heterogene= ity of the environment this is not feasible. The Linux Foundation does not = have the capability to support the Xen Project need’s.

 

Chris Shepherd put together a costing based on<= /o:p>

a)      External COLO space

b)      Procuring a set of machines

c)     &= nbsp; Initial setup (one-off-cost)

d)      As well as ongoing HW maintenance together with eff= ort needed for remote management

 

We discussed this proposal at the meeting and came t= o the conclusion that the costing is reasonable (assuming that the communit= y wants a Test Framework)

 

{{Action|Lars}} Incorporate into budget {{Tick}}

 

The open question was how to handle resourcing for H= W maintenance and Remote Management in principle. There are several options= :

* Vendor(s) to donate time and effort

* Project to fund a head (working at the Linux Found= ation, this looks unlikely given the previous conversation with the Linux F= oundation)

* Funding resource from within the Xen Project, but = have resource work for a vendor

 

The consensus was, that the Advisory Board needs to = make a recommendation on what is acceptable.

 

{{Action|Lars}} to raise at next Advisory Board meet= ing

 

On hosting the Hardware on a vendor site , there wer= e a number of options besides hosting at a 3rd party:=

* Don from Intel had discussed this internally and h= osting machines at Intel may be a possibility

* Chris from Citrix, clarified that Citrix could do = this too in principle (initially we assumed otherwise)

* There is also a possibility that Verizon could do = this also

 

{{Action|DonD, Chris, DonS) to follow up internally<= o:p>

 

But again, this would need to be discussed at the Ad= visory Board.

 

We also had a discussion on what type of hardware co= uld be hosted: the constraint is that *only* publicly available Hard= ware can be included. Including prototype Hardware is not practical due to = NDAs and other agreements that would be required.

 

We also had a brief discussion on whether there woul= d be value for Hardware Vendors to set up a test infrastructure locally for= *unusual* or *prototype* hardware. The consensus was that th= is may be of interest. Intel felt, that this was only valuable for *regression testing*, not for *d= evelopment*.

 

=3D=3D Update on XenRT (Chris) =3D=3D

No progress due to:

* http://osuosl.org/<= /a> has been unresponsive

* Chris stated, that he has not been pushing hard en= ough

 

{{Action|Chris}} Get this going again

 

=3D=3D Update on xen-devel discussion on testing for= Xen =3D=3D

 

Lars summarized the thread called “Testing for= the Xen Project” on xen devel mailing lists.

 

The agreement by the community seems to be:

* We have some local test suites which could be run,= but are probably not as they are poorly documented

* We expect people to do some targeted local testing= (presumably  performed in a manual manner) of the features they devel= oped and of  those which may be impacted. But we don't actually always= know whether they do (although often we do spot this).

* osstest (or system testing in general) is *extreme= ly* valuable

* building out the infrastructure for system testing= (aka number and diversity of boxes) would be *extremely* valuable - this r= eally means  funding hardware, hosting and sysadmin time

* It might also be worth considering spending some m= oney kickstarting development of the actual tests (i.e. fleshing out the su= ites)

* *Test on demand* would be a nice long term goal

 

DonS: Don Slutz from Verizon agreed that being able = to test before submissions would be extremely valuable

 

* Some members of the community are intending to mak= e OSSTest more  accessible by improving docs and sharing their experie= nce

* At a minimum it ought to be possible to allow acce= ss to any employee of a project member, since we have the opportunity throu= gh the membership, process to put whatever paperwork and agreements (accept= able use etc) in place.

 

My take-away from this discussion is that we are goi= ng in the right direction. The osstest vs. XenRT discussion does however re= main sensitive. To move to XenRT, a number of doubts by the community would= need to be addressed.

 

=3D=3D AOB =3D=3D

* Next meeting: Lars is travelling for the January m= eeting and asked whether anybody else would volunteer the next meeting. Nob= ody stepped up, so we will have to cancel the January meeting

 

--_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90FC11DAMSPEX01CL01citri_-- --===============7749367970963622933== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Wg-test-framework mailing list Wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wg-test-framework --===============7749367970963622933==-- From wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Tue Dec 17 12:31:04 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:31:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vstnk-0004Jn-S7 for archives@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:31:04 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vstnj-0004JP-F8; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:31:03 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147:40666] by server-9.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 85/C8-13957-60440B25; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:31:02 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1387283459!5818553!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 10894 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2013 12:31:00 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-10.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 17 Dec 2013 12:31:00 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,501,1384300800"; d="scan'208,217";a="85290249" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO01.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2013 12:30:58 +0000 Received: from AMSPEX01CL03.citrite.net (10.69.46.34) by FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net (10.13.107.79) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:30:58 -0500 Received: from AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net ([169.254.6.128]) by AMSPEX01CL03.citrite.net ([10.69.46.34]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.004; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:30:56 +0100 From: Lars Kurth To: "wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org" , "advisory-board@lists.xenproject.org" Thread-Topic: [Minutes] December Test WG framework meeting Thread-Index: Ac77HkpjiL3eXH9JSSuINzBl10Mexg== Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:30:56 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.68.19.243] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA2 Subject: [Wg-test-framework] [Minutes] December Test WG framework meeting X-BeenThere: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Xen Project Test Framework Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7749367970963622933==" Sender: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org --===============7749367970963622933== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90FC11DAMSPEX01CL01citri_" --_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90FC11DAMSPEX01CL01citri_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =3D=3D Attendees =3D=3D * Lars Kurth (chair) * Aravind Gopalakrishnan (AMD) * Greg Lutostanski (Calxeda) * Chris Shepherd (Citrix) * Donald D Dugger (Intel) * Don Slutz (Verizon) =3D=3D Costing of Test Framework (outside of the LF) =3D=3D We originally assumed that the Linux Foundation could host a test framework= for the Xen Project : however due to the heterogeneity of the environment = this is not feasible. The Linux Foundation does not have the capability to = support the Xen Project need's. Chris Shepherd put together a costing based on a) External COLO space b) Procuring a set of machines c) Initial setup (one-off-cost) d) As well as ongoing HW maintenance together with effort needed for r= emote management We discussed this proposal at the meeting and came to the conclusion that t= he costing is reasonable (assuming that the community wants a Test Framewor= k) {{Action|Lars}} Incorporate into budget {{Tick}} The open question was how to handle resourcing for HW maintenance and Remot= e Management in principle. There are several options: * Vendor(s) to donate time and effort * Project to fund a head (working at the Linux Foundation, this looks unlik= ely given the previous conversation with the Linux Foundation) * Funding resource from within the Xen Project, but have resource work for = a vendor The consensus was, that the Advisory Board needs to make a recommendation o= n what is acceptable. {{Action|Lars}} to raise at next Advisory Board meeting On hosting the Hardware on a vendor site , there were a number of options b= esides hosting at a 3rd party: * Don from Intel had discussed this internally and hosting machines at Inte= l may be a possibility * Chris from Citrix, clarified that Citrix could do this too in principle (= initially we assumed otherwise) * There is also a possibility that Verizon could do this also {{Action|DonD, Chris, DonS) to follow up internally But again, this would need to be discussed at the Advisory Board. We also had a discussion on what type of hardware could be hosted: the cons= traint is that *only* publicly available Hardware can be included. Includin= g prototype Hardware is not practical due to NDAs and other agreements that= would be required. We also had a brief discussion on whether there would be value for Hardware= Vendors to set up a test infrastructure locally for *unusual* or *prototyp= e* hardware. The consensus was that this may be of interest. Intel felt, th= at this was only valuable for *regression testing*, not for *development*. =3D=3D Update on XenRT (Chris) =3D=3D No progress due to: * http://osuosl.org/ has been unresponsive * Chris stated, that he has not been pushing hard enough {{Action|Chris}} Get this going again =3D=3D Update on xen-devel discussion on testing for Xen =3D=3D Lars summarized the thread called "Testing for the Xen Project" on xen deve= l mailing lists. The agreement by the community seems to be: * We have some local test suites which could be run, but are probably not a= s they are poorly documented * We expect people to do some targeted local testing (presumably performed= in a manual manner) of the features they developed and of those which may= be impacted. But we don't actually always know whether they do (although o= ften we do spot this). * osstest (or system testing in general) is *extremely* valuable * building out the infrastructure for system testing (aka number and divers= ity of boxes) would be *extremely* valuable - this really means funding ha= rdware, hosting and sysadmin time * It might also be worth considering spending some money kickstarting devel= opment of the actual tests (i.e. fleshing out the suites) * *Test on demand* would be a nice long term goal DonS: Don Slutz from Verizon agreed that being able to test before submissi= ons would be extremely valuable * Some members of the community are intending to make OSSTest more accessi= ble by improving docs and sharing their experience * At a minimum it ought to be possible to allow access to any employee of a= project member, since we have the opportunity through the membership, proc= ess to put whatever paperwork and agreements (acceptable use etc) in place. My take-away from this discussion is that we are going in the right directi= on. The osstest vs. XenRT discussion does however remain sensitive. To move= to XenRT, a number of doubts by the community would need to be addressed. =3D=3D AOB =3D=3D * Next meeting: Lars is travelling for the January meeting and asked whethe= r anybody else would volunteer the next meeting. Nobody stepped up, so we w= ill have to cancel the January meeting --_000_B5EC053C78C5D746BD8AC3386F2303C90FC11DAMSPEX01CL01citri_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

=3D=3D Attendees =3D=3D

* Lars Kurth (chair)

* Aravind Gopalakrishnan (AMD)

* Greg Lutostanski (Calxeda)

* Chris Shepherd (Citrix)

* Donald D Dugger (Intel)

* Don Slutz (Verizon)

 

=3D=3D Costing of Test Framework (outside of the LF)= =3D=3D

We originally assumed that the Linux Foundation coul= d host a test framework for the Xen Project : however due to the heterogene= ity of the environment this is not feasible. The Linux Foundation does not = have the capability to support the Xen Project need’s.

 

Chris Shepherd put together a costing based on<= /o:p>

a)      External COLO space

b)      Procuring a set of machines

c)     &= nbsp; Initial setup (one-off-cost)

d)      As well as ongoing HW maintenance together with eff= ort needed for remote management

 

We discussed this proposal at the meeting and came t= o the conclusion that the costing is reasonable (assuming that the communit= y wants a Test Framework)

 

{{Action|Lars}} Incorporate into budget {{Tick}}

 

The open question was how to handle resourcing for H= W maintenance and Remote Management in principle. There are several options= :

* Vendor(s) to donate time and effort

* Project to fund a head (working at the Linux Found= ation, this looks unlikely given the previous conversation with the Linux F= oundation)

* Funding resource from within the Xen Project, but = have resource work for a vendor

 

The consensus was, that the Advisory Board needs to = make a recommendation on what is acceptable.

 

{{Action|Lars}} to raise at next Advisory Board meet= ing

 

On hosting the Hardware on a vendor site , there wer= e a number of options besides hosting at a 3rd party:=

* Don from Intel had discussed this internally and h= osting machines at Intel may be a possibility

* Chris from Citrix, clarified that Citrix could do = this too in principle (initially we assumed otherwise)

* There is also a possibility that Verizon could do = this also

 

{{Action|DonD, Chris, DonS) to follow up internally<= o:p>

 

But again, this would need to be discussed at the Ad= visory Board.

 

We also had a discussion on what type of hardware co= uld be hosted: the constraint is that *only* publicly available Hard= ware can be included. Including prototype Hardware is not practical due to = NDAs and other agreements that would be required.

 

We also had a brief discussion on whether there woul= d be value for Hardware Vendors to set up a test infrastructure locally for= *unusual* or *prototype* hardware. The consensus was that th= is may be of interest. Intel felt, that this was only valuable for *regression testing*, not for *d= evelopment*.

 

=3D=3D Update on XenRT (Chris) =3D=3D

No progress due to:

* http://osuosl.org/<= /a> has been unresponsive

* Chris stated, that he has not been pushing hard en= ough

 

{{Action|Chris}} Get this going again

 

=3D=3D Update on xen-devel discussion on testing for= Xen =3D=3D

 

Lars summarized the thread called “Testing for= the Xen Project” on xen devel mailing lists.

 

The agreement by the community seems to be:

* We have some local test suites which could be run,= but are probably not as they are poorly documented

* We expect people to do some targeted local testing= (presumably  performed in a manual manner) of the features they devel= oped and of  those which may be impacted. But we don't actually always= know whether they do (although often we do spot this).

* osstest (or system testing in general) is *extreme= ly* valuable

* building out the infrastructure for system testing= (aka number and diversity of boxes) would be *extremely* valuable - this r= eally means  funding hardware, hosting and sysadmin time

* It might also be worth considering spending some m= oney kickstarting development of the actual tests (i.e. fleshing out the su= ites)

* *Test on demand* would be a nice long term goal

 

DonS: Don Slutz from Verizon agreed that being able = to test before submissions would be extremely valuable

 

* Some members of the community are intending to mak= e OSSTest more  accessible by improving docs and sharing their experie= nce

* At a minimum it ought to be possible to allow acce= ss to any employee of a project member, since we have the opportunity throu= gh the membership, process to put whatever paperwork and agreements (accept= able use etc) in place.

 

My take-away from this discussion is that we are goi= ng in the right direction. The osstest vs. XenRT discussion does however re= main sensitive. To move to XenRT, a number of doubts by the community would= need to be addressed.

 

=3D=3D AOB =3D=3D

* Next meeting: Lars is travelling for the January m= eeting and asked whether anybody else would volunteer the next meeting. Nob= ody stepped up, so we will have to cancel the January meeting

 

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Wilk Thread-Topic: [Wg-test-framework] Test-as-a-service deployment costing Thread-Index: Ac73RKP/zia2iKmrRNC+2jZCgarAhwD5gOkAAAI2heD///iDAP//7q9w Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:59:37 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20131217141946.GB3500@phenom.dumpdata.com> <20131217145620.GA5189@phenom.dumpdata.com> In-Reply-To: <20131217145620.GA5189@phenom.dumpdata.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.68.19.243] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA2 Cc: "wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Wg-test-framework] Test-as-a-service deployment costing X-BeenThere: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Xen Project Test Framework Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org -----Original Message----- From: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk Sent: 17 December 2013 14:56 To: Lars Kurth Cc: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Wg-test-framework] Test-as-a-service deployment costing >> The key challenges are: >> * We can't employ anybody via the Linux Foundation (they already made >> clear that this is too complex and unusual for what they do today) >> * This leaves us with : vendors donating time (which in practice never works, unless a single vendor takes full responsibility). >> * Employing somebody on behalf of the project within a vendor : this >> may be politically, legally and logistically difficult and will need >> to be discussed by the board >> * And we don't need a full-time person, unless we include triaging, etc. > > So the sticking point is actually finding a person who Xen AB could hire to do this triage and also in some way help Ian Jackson (as he or she could do both jobs - osstest and XenRTT). > And without that - the costs for hardware, setup, etc are kind of moot as there would be nobody to shepard them. Correct We have to resolve this at the Advisory Board level (but not necessarily today) Lars _______________________________________________ Wg-test-framework mailing list Wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wg-test-framework From wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Tue Dec 17 14:59:51 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:59:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vsw7j-0005ua-Ai for archives@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:59:51 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta4.messagelabs.com ([85.158.143.247]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vsw7h-0005uU-S7 for wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:59:50 +0000 Received: from [85.158.143.35:31304] by server-2.bemta-4.messagelabs.com id 0F/66-11386-5E660B25; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:59:49 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-21.messagelabs.com!1387292387!6470021!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 21620 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2013 14:59:48 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-11.tower-21.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 17 Dec 2013 14:59:48 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,501,1384300800"; d="scan'208";a="85341953" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL01.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO01.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2013 14:59:47 +0000 Received: from AMSPEX01CL02.citrite.net (10.69.46.33) by FTLPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.13.107.78) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:59:46 -0500 Received: from AMSPEX01CL01.citrite.net ([169.254.6.128]) by AMSPEX01CL02.citrite.net ([10.69.46.33]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.004; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:59:38 +0100 From: Lars Kurth To: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk Thread-Topic: [Wg-test-framework] Test-as-a-service deployment costing Thread-Index: Ac73RKP/zia2iKmrRNC+2jZCgarAhwD5gOkAAAI2heD///iDAP//7q9w Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:59:37 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20131217141946.GB3500@phenom.dumpdata.com> <20131217145620.GA5189@phenom.dumpdata.com> In-Reply-To: <20131217145620.GA5189@phenom.dumpdata.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.68.19.243] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA2 Cc: "wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org" Subject: Re: [Wg-test-framework] Test-as-a-service deployment costing X-BeenThere: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Xen Project Test Framework Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Errors-To: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org -----Original Message----- From: wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org [mailto:wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org] On Behalf Of Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk Sent: 17 December 2013 14:56 To: Lars Kurth Cc: wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [Wg-test-framework] Test-as-a-service deployment costing >> The key challenges are: >> * We can't employ anybody via the Linux Foundation (they already made >> clear that this is too complex and unusual for what they do today) >> * This leaves us with : vendors donating time (which in practice never works, unless a single vendor takes full responsibility). >> * Employing somebody on behalf of the project within a vendor : this >> may be politically, legally and logistically difficult and will need >> to be discussed by the board >> * And we don't need a full-time person, unless we include triaging, etc. > > So the sticking point is actually finding a person who Xen AB could hire to do this triage and also in some way help Ian Jackson (as he or she could do both jobs - osstest and XenRTT). > And without that - the costs for hardware, setup, etc are kind of moot as there would be nobody to shepard them. Correct We have to resolve this at the Advisory Board level (but not necessarily today) Lars _______________________________________________ Wg-test-framework mailing list Wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org http://lists.xenproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wg-test-framework From wg-test-framework-bounces@lists.xenproject.org Tue Dec 17 15:03:53 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xenproject.org Delivery-date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:03:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VswBd-0006VW-7K for archives@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:03:53 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VswBb-0006V8-Sj for wg-test-framework@lists.xenproject.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:03:52 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211:15176] by server-4.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id 7D/00-26791-7D760B25; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 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