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> On 9 Dec 2019, at 11:02, Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFOn 06/12/2019, 09:51, "Jan Beulich" <jbeulich@suse.com =
<mailto:jbeulich@suse.com>> wrote:
>=20
>    On 06.12.2019 00:41, Lars Kurth wrote:
>> I propose to add the following section to code-review-guide.md
>>=20
>> ----
>> ## <a name=3D"problems"></a>Problematic Patch Reviews
>>=20
>> A typical waterfall software development process is sequential with =
the following=20
>> steps: define requirements, analyse, design, code, test and deploy. =
Problems=20
>> uncovered by code review or testing at such a late stage can cause =
costly redesign=20
>> and delays. The principle of **[Shift =
Left](https://devopedia.org/shift-left)** is to take a=20
>> task that is traditionally performed at a late stage in the process =
and perform that task=20
>> at earlier stages. The goal is to save time by avoiding refactoring.
>>=20
>> Typically, problematic patch reviews uncover issues such as wrong or =
missed=20
>> assumptions, a problematic architecture or design, or other bugs that =
require=20
>> significant re-implementation of a patch series to fix the issue.
>>=20
>> The principle of **Shift Left** also applies in code reviews. Let's =
assume a series has
>> a major flaw: ideally, this flaw would be picked up in the **first or =
second iteration** of=20
>> the code review. As significant parts of the code may have to be =
re-written, it does not=20
>> make sense for reviewers to highlight minor issues (such as style =
issues) until major=20
>> flaws have been addressed. By providing feedback on minor issues =
reviewers cause=20
>> the code author and themselves extra work by asking for changes to =
code, which=20
>> ultimately may be changed later.
>>=20
>> The question then becomes, how do code reviewers identify major =
issues early?=20
>> ----
>> This is where I really need help. Are there any tips and =
recommendations that we could give?
>> I can clearly highlight that we have RFC series, but in practice that =
does not solve the problem as RFCs don=E2=80=99t get prioritized
>> How do reviewers normally approach a series: do you a) take a big =
picture view first, or b) do most of you work through a series =
sequentially
>=20
>    Afaic - depends heavily on the patch / series. I wouldn't typically
>    peek ahead in a series, but it has happened. But as you say
>    (elsewhere) the cover letter should put in place the "big picture".
>    A series should generally be reviewable going from patch to patch,
>    having the cover letter in mind.
>=20
> I am wondering what others do.=20
>=20
> I think explaining the basic work-flow from the viewpoint of a =
reviewer and code author maybe in a separate section, which is not tied =
to the problem case would make sense. More input from other maintainers =
would be valuable. My gut-feel is that most reviewers "read and review" =
series sequentially, which has implications for the author. E.g.
> - docs/design docs should be at the beginning of a series
> - key header files or changes to them should be at the beginning of a =
series
> - Etc
>=20
>> I then propose to change the following section in =
communication-practice.md
>> ----
>> ### Prioritize significant flaws
>> If a patch or patch series has significant flaws, such as
>> * It is built on wrong assumptions
>> * There are issues with the architecture or the design
>=20
>    In such a case a full review of course doesn't make much sense. But
>    this is far from the typical situation. Way more often you have =
some
>    _part_ of a patch or series which has a bigger issue, but other
>    parts are in need of no or just minor changes.
>=20
> I know that this is an unusual situation. But it has happened in =
clusters frequently in the past.
>=20
> I am wondering whether we should introduce some informal convention to =
mark _part_ of a series as problematic. A simple example of how to do =
this in the cover letter would do
>=20
>> it does not make sense to do a detailed code review. In such cases, =
it is best to
>> focus on the major issues first and deal with style and minor issues =
in a subsequent
>> review. Not all series have significant flaws, but most series have =
different classes of=20
>> changes that are required for acceptance: covering a range of major =
code=20
>> modifications to minor code style fixes. To avoid misunderstandings =
between=20
>> reviewers and contributors, it is important to establish and agree =
whether a series or=20
>> part of a series has a significant flaw and agree a course of action.=20=

>>=20
>> A pragmatic approach would be to
>> * Highlight problematic portions of a series in the cover letter=20
>> * For the patch author and reviewer(s) to agree that for problematic =
to omit style and
>> minor issues in the review, until the significant flaw is addressed
>>=20
>> This saves both the patch author and reviewer(s) time. Note that some =
background
>> is covered in detail in [Problematic Patch =
Reviews](resolving-disagreement.md#problems).
>=20
>    I have no issues with the suggested text in general, but I also =
don't
>    think it makes much of a difference wrt what I had mentioned =
before.
>    I guess part of the problem here is that there are things which imo
>    you can't really give recipes for how to approach, if the =
expectation
>    is that it would fit at least the vast majority of cases.=20
>=20
> I think the document covers most of the common cases, plus some areas =
which are problematic
> * =46rom a people-interaction point-of-view - in other words there =
could be unnecessary conflict, which is bad for the community but also =
wastes time
> * =46rom an efficient usage of time point-of-view
>=20
> For example: the whole thing about thanking, appreciation, ... is =
something targeted at newcomers and a desire to treat them with more =
thought and awareness.=20
> Granted it takes more time to do a review with a newcomer, but it =
should make subsequent reviews easier=20
>=20
> It happens regularly, but not that frequently
>=20
>    For code
>    reviews this means that I don't think there should be any wording
>    suggesting they should be done in a certain form; there may be =
wording
>    suggesting they _could_ be done in a certain form (e.g. to help
>    people not knowing at all how to get started).
>=20
> That was definitely my intention. Maybe I have not succeeded in making =
this clear enough

Adding the log of a very productive IRC conversation for reference. =
Sorry for the formatting
Regards
Lars

=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA     It would also be good if some =
maintainers could have a look at =
https://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2019-12/threads.html#=
00348

=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA		lars_kurth: What exactly more feedback =
did you want?

=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA     gwd: primarily about maintainers =
workflow. How do you approach a review. Is there anything a code author =
can do. Right now, I have one data point from Jan. I basically want to =
validate my assumptions before I send out another revision

=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA     gwd: a code author can do to make your =
life easier =3D> e.g. by putting big picture stuff at the beginning of a =
series

=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA     e.g by putting potentially =
controversial elements of it at the beginning, etc

=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA     Obviously, this would only help if most =
reviewers approach a review sequentially, which is a reasonable =
assumption, but I am not actually 100% sure this is true

=E2=80=B9royger=E2=80=BA           lars_kurth: patch series must be =
reviewed sequentially, that's why it's numbered

=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA		lars_kurth: Actually it's often the case =
that you find uncontroversial side clean-up things in the course of =
doing a series; putting those at the beginning means they can be checked =
in independently of the whole series, which makes less work for everyone

=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA		They can be checked in after v1 or v2, =
and then 1) less work for authors to rebase, 2) less cognitive overhead =
for reviewers to see what's going on.

=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA     royger: That is not a necessarily =
obvious conclusion - at least for me. But if it is true, we should =
clearly state that

=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA     gwd: that's interesting. I guess there =
are differing objectives

=E2=80=B9royger=E2=80=BA           I don't think any maintainer/reviewer =
does review non-sequentially, as it would lead to extreme confusion. =
It's quite common for patches on a patch series to rely on the previous =
ones

=E2=80=B9royger=E2=80=BA           lars_kurth: I think it can be safely =
stated

=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA     1) get uncontroversial / easy to do =
stuff first

=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA     2) then put more complex things, but =
start with documents/headers/anything that is substantial to understand =
the rest of the changes - if they fit into logical units maybe repeat =
that pattern

=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA		I think every situation if different.

=E2=80=B9royger=E2=80=BA           the only time you can get non-ordered =
review is if your patch series touches multiple subsystems and you have =
properly splitted this into different patches, in that case each =
subsystem maintainer is likelky to review his ares without looking at =
other patches

=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA  royger: You're talking about checking in, not =
review I think?

=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA		Sometimes in a long series, {1,2}/10 =
will be clean-ups; {3-6}/10 will be general reorganisations which don't =
really seem to do anything; and then 7/10 will be the "meat", which =
helps you understand what {3-6}/10 were about.

=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA     royger, gwd: "It's quite common for =
patches on a patch series to rely on the previous ones" - is an =
important point.

=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA		Usually it's not possible to put 7/10 =
earlier without making it far more complicated.

=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA     I think the way how to best structure =
patch series is an important one, and there is practically NO =
information about this. So people learn stuff by trial and error. So I =
think it is worth exploring that

=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA		It's a bit like saying, "How do you =
teach someone something", or "How do you make an argument to convince =
someone of something". There are patterns, but it's so broad a topic you =
can't really give direct advice.

=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA     gwd: maybe showing some examples will =
help. I think the problem is that cover letters frequently don't help =
much

=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=BA 		I think what you just said above =
"Sometimes in a long series," would be a very useful thing to put in as =
a general rule.

=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=BA 		gwd: ^

=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=BA 		Sometimes some of these pieces =
will be empty.

=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=BA 		1. cleanups 2. reorgs 3. =
headers/docs/etc. 4. meat 5. cleaning up any infelicities introduced =
temporarily 6. deleting old code

=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=BA 		If there are multiple subsystems =
involved, then these are best separated out where possible, so you end =
up with those 6 categories x N subsystems.

=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA  		Of course, sometimes there are several =
"meat" patches, which could be ordered in different ways; and then you =
may want to put reorgs in between the meat patches.

=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA  		The XSA-299 series is an example of =
that.

=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=BA 		In this context I am reminded of =
https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/sgo-software-discuss/2019/000=
616.html My main achievement for the weekend, in a personal project.

=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA  		And lars_kurth could probably go back =
over the history and see the series develop; the "meat" patches were =
reorganized several times to try to find out which order created the =
most comprehensible series of individual patches.

=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=BA 		Subject:  New signature key =
arrangements

=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA  		lars_kurth: And say, if you take a look =
at the golang xenlight bindings series; v1 would have been useless =
without the entire thing being checked in. It's likely that v3 I'll be =
able to check in {1..16}/22, meaning v4 will have a lot fewer patches to =
rebase / recheck.

=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=BA 		I'm not suggesting it as an =
example in this context because I have done much less squashing than =
would be usual in a community like Xen where we have many more reviewers =
so the goal of making review easy and comprehensible is more important =
relative to the goal of later understanding what the original programmer =
was thinking when they wrote soemthing.

=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA     This is very useful. I think this is =
the missing piece

=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=BA 		But we should provide some =
examples. Do we have good example cover letters we could use ?

=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=BA 		I'm sure there are some libxl =
ones but ideally we would have an example touching multiple subsystems. =
And one which wasn't affected by release constraints.

=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA     That would be good. Maybe I can write =
something up and put a place-holder in place for good examples, if we =
can't think of one now

=E2=80=B9jbeulich=E2=80=BA         gwd, lars_kurth: The opposite case =
(cleanups last) would often be preferable for series where the "meat" =
one(s) are to be backported, but the cleanups aren't.

=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA     jbeulich: interesting point. Do you =
have an example?

=E2=80=B9jbeulich=E2=80=BA         An example of what? A series where we =
asked for re-ordering because of the above? If so, I don't think I could =
easily spot one.

=E2=80=B9jbeulich=E2=80=BA         I can tell you though that the above =
is what I would typically do. Most prominently for security fixes *where =
the cleanup is being held back altogether).

=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA     jbeulich: I will try and put something =
together. I think I have enough to go on

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class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On 9 Dec 2019, at 11:02, Lars Kurth &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:lars.kurth@citrix.com" =
class=3D"">lars.kurth@citrix.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BFOn =
06/12/2019, 09:51, "Jan Beulich" &lt;</span><a =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">jbeulich@suse.com</a><span =
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none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">&gt; =
wrote:</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
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normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
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none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
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none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
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none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;On 06.12.2019 00:41, Lars Kurth =
wrote:</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">I =
propose to add the following section to code-review-guide.md<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">----<br class=3D"">## &lt;a =
name=3D"problems"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Problematic Patch Reviews<br class=3D""><br=
 class=3D"">A typical waterfall software development process is =
sequential with the following<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">steps: =
define requirements, analyse, design, code, test and deploy. =
Problems<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">uncovered by code review or testing at such a late stage can =
cause costly redesign<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">and delays. =
The principle of **[Shift Left](<a =
href=3D"https://devopedia.org/shift-left" =
class=3D"">https://devopedia.org/shift-left</a>)** is to take a<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">task that is =
traditionally performed at a late stage in the process and perform that =
task<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">at =
earlier stages. The goal is to save time by avoiding refactoring.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Typically, problematic patch reviews uncover =
issues such as wrong or missed<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">assumptions, =
a problematic architecture or design, or other bugs that require<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">significant =
re-implementation of a patch series to fix the issue.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">The principle of **Shift Left** also applies in code reviews. =
Let's assume a series has<br class=3D"">a major flaw: ideally, this flaw =
would be picked up in the **first or second iteration** of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">the code =
review. As significant parts of the code may have to be re-written, it =
does not<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">make sense for reviewers to highlight minor issues (such as =
style issues) until major<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">flaws have =
been addressed. By providing feedback on minor issues reviewers =
cause<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">the=
 code author and themselves extra work by asking for changes to code, =
which<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">ultimately may be changed later.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">The question then becomes, how do code reviewers identify =
major issues early?<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">----<br class=3D"">This is where I really need help. Are =
there any tips and recommendations that we could give?<br class=3D"">I =
can clearly highlight that we have RFC series, but in practice that does =
not solve the problem as RFCs don=E2=80=99t get prioritized<br =
class=3D"">How do reviewers normally approach a series: do you a) take a =
big picture view first, or b) do most of you work through a series =
sequentially<br class=3D""></blockquote><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Afaic - depends heavily on the patch / =
series. I wouldn't typically</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;peek ahead in a series, but it has =
happened. But as you say</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(elsewhere) the cover letter should put in =
place the "big picture".</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A series should generally be reviewable =
going from patch to patch,</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;having the cover letter in mind.</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; =
font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">I am =
wondering what others do.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; =
font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">I think =
explaining the basic work-flow from the viewpoint of a reviewer and code =
author maybe in a separate section, which is not tied to the problem =
case would make sense. More input from other maintainers would be =
valuable. My gut-feel is that most reviewers "read and review" series =
sequentially, which has implications for the author. E.g.</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; =
font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">- docs/design =
docs should be at the beginning of a series</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; =
font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">- key header =
files or changes to them should be at the beginning of a =
series</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">- =
Etc</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">I =
then propose to change the following section in =
communication-practice.md<br class=3D"">----<br class=3D"">### =
Prioritize significant flaws<br class=3D"">If a patch or patch series =
has significant flaws, such as<br class=3D"">* It is built on wrong =
assumptions<br class=3D"">* There are issues with the architecture or =
the design<br class=3D""></blockquote><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In such a case a full review of course =
doesn't make much sense. But</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;this is far from the typical situation. Way =
more often you have some</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;_part_ of a patch or series which has a =
bigger issue, but other</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;parts are in need of no or just minor =
changes.</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">I know that =
this is an unusual situation. But it has happened in clusters frequently =
in the past.</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">I am =
wondering whether we should introduce some informal convention to mark =
_part_ of a series as problematic. A simple example of how to do this in =
the cover letter would do</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">it does not make sense to do a =
detailed code review. In such cases, it is best to<br class=3D"">focus =
on the major issues first and deal with style and minor issues in a =
subsequent<br class=3D"">review. Not all series have significant flaws, =
but most series have different classes of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">changes that =
are required for acceptance: covering a range of major code<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">modifications =
to minor code style fixes. To avoid misunderstandings between<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">reviewers =
and contributors, it is important to establish and agree whether a =
series or<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D"">part of a series has a significant flaw and agree a course of =
action.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">A pragmatic approach would be to<br class=3D"">*=
 Highlight problematic portions of a series in the cover letter<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">* For the =
patch author and reviewer(s) to agree that for problematic to omit style =
and<br class=3D"">minor issues in the review, until the significant flaw =
is addressed<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">This saves both the patch =
author and reviewer(s) time. Note that some background<br class=3D"">is =
covered in detail in [Problematic Patch =
Reviews](resolving-disagreement.md#problems).<br =
class=3D""></blockquote><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have no issues with the suggested text in =
general, but I also don't</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;think it makes much of a difference wrt =
what I had mentioned before.</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I guess part of the problem here is that =
there are things which imo</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;you can't really give recipes for how to =
approach, if the expectation</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;is that it would fit at least the vast =
majority of cases.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; =
font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">I think the =
document covers most of the common cases, plus some areas which are =
problematic</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">* =46rom a =
people-interaction point-of-view - in other words there could be =
unnecessary conflict, which is bad for the community but also wastes =
time</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">* =46rom an =
efficient usage of time point-of-view</span><br style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">For example: the whole thing about thanking, appreciation, =
... is something targeted at newcomers and a desire to treat them with =
more thought and awareness.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; =
font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Granted it =
takes more time to do a review with a newcomer, but it should make =
subsequent reviews easier<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; =
font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">It happens =
regularly, but not that frequently</span><br style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;For code</span><br style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;reviews this means that I don't think there =
should be any wording</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;suggesting they should be done in a certain =
form; there may be wording</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;suggesting they _could_ be done in a =
certain form (e.g. to help</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;people not knowing at all how to get =
started).</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">That was =
definitely my intention. Maybe I have not succeeded in making this clear =
enough</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Adding the log of a very productive IRC conversation for =
reference. Sorry for the formatting</div><div class=3D"">Regards</div><div=
 class=3D"">Lars</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">




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Accent 5"/>
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Accent 6"/>
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Accent 6"/>
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3"/>
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Dark"/>
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Colorful"/>
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Colorful"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Accent 2"/>
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Dark Accent 2"/>
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<!--StartFragment--><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
It
would also be good if some maintainers could have a look at
<a =
href=3D"https://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2019-12/threa=
ds.html#00348" =
class=3D"">https://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2019-12/th=
reads.html#00348</a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">		</span>lars_kurth: What
exactly more feedback did you want?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
gwd:
primarily about maintainers workflow. How do you approach a review. Is =
there
anything a code author can do. Right now, I have one data point from =
Jan. I
basically want to validate my assumptions before I send out another =
revision<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
gwd: a
code author can do to make your life easier =3D&gt; e.g. by putting big =
picture
stuff at the beginning of a series<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
e.g by
putting potentially controversial elements of it at the beginning, =
etc<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Obviously,
this would only help if most reviewers approach a review sequentially, =
which is
a reasonable assumption, but I am not actually 100% sure this is =
true<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9royger=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; lars_kurth:
patch series must be reviewed sequentially, that's why it's numbered<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA<span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>lars_kurth:
Actually it's often the case that you find uncontroversial side clean-up =
things
in the course of doing a series; putting those at the beginning means =
they can
be checked in independently of the whole series, which makes less work =
for
everyone<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=
=BA<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>They can be
checked in after v1 or v2, and then 1) less work for authors to rebase, =
2) less
cognitive overhead for reviewers to see what's going on.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
royger:
That is not a necessarily obvious conclusion - at least for me. But if =
it is
true, we should clearly state that<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
gwd:
that's interesting. I guess there are differing objectives<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9royger=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I
don't think any maintainer/reviewer does review non-sequentially, as it =
would
lead to extreme confusion. It's quite common for patches on a patch =
series to
rely on the previous ones<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9royger=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; lars_kurth:
I think it can be safely stated<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
1) get
uncontroversial / easy to do stuff first<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
2)
then put more complex things, but start with documents/headers/anything =
that is
substantial to understand the rest of the changes - if they fit into =
logical
units maybe repeat that pattern<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">		</span>I think every
situation if different.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9royger=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the
only time you can get non-ordered review is if your patch series touches
multiple subsystems and you have properly splitted this into different =
patches,
in that case each subsystem maintainer is likelky to review his ares =
without
looking at other patches<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA&nbsp; royger: You're
talking about checking in, not review I think?</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">		</span>Sometimes in a
long series, {1,2}/10 will be clean-ups; {3-6}/10 will be general
reorganisations which don't really seem to do anything; and then 7/10 =
will be
the "meat", which helps you understand what {3-6}/10 were about.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
royger,
gwd: "It's quite common for patches on a patch series to rely on the
previous ones" - is an important point.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">		</span>Usually it's not
possible to put 7/10 earlier without making it far more complicated.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
I
think the way how to best structure patch series is an important one, =
and there
is practically NO information about this. So people learn stuff by trial =
and
error. So I think it is worth exploring that<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">		</span>It's a bit like
saying, "How do you teach someone something", or "How do you
make an argument to convince someone of something". There are patterns,
but it's so broad a topic you can't really give direct advice.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
gwd:
maybe showing some examples will help. I think the problem is that cover
letters frequently don't help much<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=BA <span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		</span>I =
think what
you just said above "Sometimes in a long series," would be a very
useful thing to put in as a general rule.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=BA <span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>gwd: ^<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9Diz=
iet=E2=80=BA <span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>Sometimes some
of these pieces will be empty.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=BA <span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>1. cleanups 2.
reorgs 3. headers/docs/etc. 4. meat 5. cleaning up any infelicities =
introduced
temporarily 6. deleting old code<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=BA <span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>If there are
multiple subsystems involved, then these are best separated out where =
possible,
so you end up with those 6 categories x N subsystems.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA&nbsp; =
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>Of course, sometimes
there are several "meat" patches, which could be ordered in different
ways; and then you may want to put reorgs in between the meat =
patches.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=
=BA&nbsp; <span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>The XSA-299
series is an example of that.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=BA <span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>In this
context I am reminded of
<a =
href=3D"https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/sgo-software-discuss/=
2019/000616.html" =
class=3D"">https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/sgo-software-discu=
ss/2019/000616.html</a>
My main achievement for the weekend, in a personal project.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA&nbsp; =
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>And lars_kurth
could probably go back over the history and see the series develop; the
"meat" patches were reorganized several times to try to find out
which order created the most comprehensible series of individual =
patches.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=
=80=BA <span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>Subject: &nbsp;New signature key arrangements<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9gwd=E2=80=BA&nbsp; =
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>lars_kurth: And
say, if you take a look at the golang xenlight bindings series; v1 would =
have
been useless without the entire thing being checked in. It's likely that =
v3
I'll be able to check in {1..16}/22, meaning v4 will have a lot fewer =
patches
to rebase / recheck.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=BA <span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>I'm not
suggesting it as an example in this context because I have done much =
less
squashing than would be usual in a community like Xen where we have many =
more
reviewers so the goal of making review easy and comprehensible is more
important relative to the goal of later understanding what the original
programmer was thinking when they wrote soemthing.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
This
is very useful. I think this is the missing piece<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=BA =
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>But we should
provide some examples. Do we have good example cover letters we could =
use ?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9Diziet=E2=80=
=BA <span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">		=
</span>I'm sure there
are some libxl ones but ideally we would have an example touching =
multiple
subsystems. And one which wasn't affected by release constraints.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
That
would be good. Maybe I can write something up and put a place-holder in =
place
for good examples, if we can't think of one now<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9jbeulich=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; gwd,
lars_kurth: The opposite case (cleanups last) would often be preferable =
for
series where the "meat" one(s) are to be backported, but the cleanups
aren't.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
jbeulich:
interesting point. Do you have an example?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9jbeulich=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; An
example of what? A series where we asked for re-ordering because of the =
above?
If so, I don't think I could easily spot one.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9jbeulich=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I
can tell you though that the above is what I would typically do. Most
prominently for security fixes *where the cleanup is being held back
altogether).<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=B9lars_kurth=E2=80=BA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
jbeulich:
I will try and put something together. I think I have enough to go =
on<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></p>

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From: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com>

This document is a portal page that lays out our gold standard,
best practices for some common situations and mechanisms to help
resolve issues that can have a negative effect on our community.

Detail is covered in subsequent documents

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+# Communication Guide
+
+We believe that our [Code of Conduct](code-of-conduct.md) can help create a
+harassment-free environment, but is not sufficient to create a welcoming
+environment on its own. We can all make mistakes: when we do, we take
+responsibility for them and try to improve.
+
+This document lays out our gold standard, best practices for some common
+situations and mechanisms to help resolve issues that can have a
+negative effect on our community.
+
+## Goal
+
+We want a productive, welcoming and agile community that can welcome new
+ideas in a complex technical field which is able to reflect on and improve how
+we work.
+
+## Communication & Handling Differences in Opinions
+
+Examples of behavior that contributes to creating a positive environment
+include:
+* Use welcoming and inclusive language
+* Keep discussions technical and actionable
+* Be respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences
+* Be aware of your own and counterpart’s communication style and culture
+* Gracefully accept constructive criticism
+* Focus on what is best for the community
+* Show empathy towards other community members
+* Resolve differences in opinion effectively
+
+## Getting Help
+
+When developing code collaboratively, technical discussion and disagreements
+are unavoidable. Our contributors come from different countries and cultures,
+are driven by different goals and take pride in their work and in their point
+of view. This invariably can lead to lengthy and unproductive debate,
+followed by indecision, sometimes this can impact working relationships
+or lead to other issues that can have a negative effect on our community.
+
+To minimize such issue, we provide a 3-stage process
+* Self-help as outlined in this document
+* Ability to ask for an independent opinion or help in private
+* Mediation between parties which disagree. In this case a neutral community
+  member assists the disputing parties resolve the issues or will work with the
+  parties such that they can improve future interactions.
+
+If you need and independent opinion or help, feel free to contact
+mediation@xenproject.org. The team behind mediation@ is made up of the
+same community members as those listed in the Conduct Team: see
+[Code of Conduct](code-of-conduct.md). In addition, team members are obligated
+to maintain confidentiality with regard discussions that take place. If you
+have concerns about any of the members of the mediation@ alias, you are
+welcome to contact precisely the team member(s) of your choice. In this case,
+please make certain that you highlight the nature of a request by making sure
+that either help or mediation is mentioned in the e-mail subject or body.
+
+## Specific Topics and Best Practice
+
+* [Code Review Guide](code-review-guide.md):
+  Essential reading for code reviewers and contributors
+* [Communication Best Practice](communication-practice.md):
+  This guide covers communication guidelines for code reviewers and reviewees.
+  It should help you create self-awareness, anticipate, avoid  and help resolve
+  communication issues.
+* [Resolving Disagreement](resolving-disagreement.md):
+  This guide lays out common situations that can lead to dead-lock and shows
+  common patterns on how to avoid and resolve issues.
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From: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com>

This document highlights what reviewers such as maintainers and committers look
for when reviewing code. It sets expectations for code authors and provides
a framework for code reviewers.

Changes since v2 (introduced in v2)
* Extend introduction
* Add "Code Review Workflow" covering
  - "Workflow from a Reviewer's Perspective"
  - "Workflow from an Author's Perspective"
  - "Problematic Patch Reviews"
* Wrap to 80 characters
* Replace inline links with reference links to make
  wrapping easier

TODO: find suitable examples on how to structure/describe good patch series

Signed-off-by: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com>
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+# Code Review Guide
+
+This document highlights what reviewers such as maintainers and committers look
+for when reviewing your code. It sets expectations for code authors and provides
+a framework for code reviewers.
+
+Before we start, it is important to remember that the primary purpose of a
+a code review is to indentify any bugs or potential bugs in the code. Most code
+reviews are relatively straight-forward and do not require re-writing the
+submitted code substantially.
+
+The document provides advice on how to structure larger patch series and
+provides  pointers on code author's and reviewer's workflows.
+
+Sometimes it happens that a submitted patch series made wrong assumptions or has
+a flawed design or architecture. This can be frustrating for contributors and
+code  reviewers. Note that this document does contain [a section](#problems)
+that provides  suggestions on how to minimize the impact for most stake-holders
+and also on how to avoid such situations.
+
+This document does **not cover** the following topics:
+* [Communication Best Practice][1]
+* [Resolving Disagreement][2]
+* [Patch Submission Workflow][3]
+* [Managing Patch Submission with Git][4]
+
+## What we look for in Code Reviews
+
+When performing a code review, reviewers typically look for the following things
+
+### Is the change necessary to accomplish the goals?
+
+* Is it clear what the goals are?
+* Do we need to make a change, or can the goals be met with existing
+  functionality?
+
+### Architecture / Interface
+
+* Is this the best way to solve the problem?
+* Is this the right part of the code to modify?
+* Is this the right level of abstraction?
+* Is the interface general enough? Too general? Forward compatible?
+
+### Functionality
+
+* Does it do what it’s trying to do?
+* Is it doing it in the most efﬁcient way?
+* Does it handle all the corner / error cases correctly?
+
+### Maintainability / Robustness
+
+* Is the code clear? Appropriately commented?
+* Does it duplicate another piece of code?
+* Does the code make hidden assumptions?
+* Does it introduce sections which need to be kept **in sync** with other
+  sections?
+* Are there other **traps** someone modifying this code might fall into?
+
+**Note:** Sometimes you will work in areas which have identified maintainability
+and/or robustness issues. In such cases, maintainers may ask you to make
+additional changes, such that your submitted code does not make things worse or
+point you to other patches are already being worked on.
+
+### System properties
+
+In some areas of the code, system properties such as
+* Code size
+* Performance
+* Scalability
+* Latency
+* Complexity
+* &c
+are also important during code reviews.
+
+### Style
+
+* Comments, carriage returns, **snuggly braces**, &c
+* See [CODING_STYLE][5] and [tools/libxl/CODING_STYLE][6]
+* No extraneous whitespace changes
+
+### Documentation and testing
+
+* If there is pre-existing documentation in the tree, such as man pages, design
+  documents, etc. a contributor may be asked to update the documentation
+  alongside the change. Documentation is typically present in the [docs][7]
+  folder.
+* When adding new features that have an impact on the end-user,
+  a contributor should include an update to the [SUPPORT.md][8] file.
+  Typically, more complex features require several patch series before it is
+  ready to be advertised in SUPPORT.md
+* When adding new features, a contributor may be asked to provide tests or
+  ensure that existing tests pass
+
+#### Testing for the Xen Project Hypervisor
+
+Tests are typically located in one of the following directories
+* **Unit tests**: [tools/tests][9] or [xen/test][A]<br>
+  Unit testing is hard for a system like Xen and typically requires building a
+  subsystem of your tree. If your change can be easily unit tested, you should
+  consider submitting tests with your patch.
+* **Build and smoke test**: see [Xen GitLab CI][B]<br>
+  Runs build tests for a combination of various distros and compilers against
+  changes committed to staging. Developers can join as members and test their
+  development branches **before** submitting a patch.
+* **XTF tests** (microkernel-based tests): see [XTF][C]<br>
+  XTF has been designed to test interactions between your software and hardware.
+  It is a very useful tool for testing low level functionality and is executed
+  as part of the project's CI system. XTF can be easily executed locally on
+  xen.git trees.
+* **osstest**: see [README][D]<br>
+  Osstest is the Xen Projects automated test system, which tests basic Xen use
+  cases on a variety of different hardware. Before changes are committed, but
+  **after** they have been reviewed. A contributor’s changes **cannot be
+  applied to master** unless the tests pass this test suite. Note that XTF and
+  other tests are also executed as part of osstest.
+
+### Patch / Patch series information
+
+* Informative one-line changelog
+* Full changelog
+* Motivation described
+* All important technical changes mentioned
+* Changes since previous revision listed
+* Reviewed-by’s and Acked-by’s dropped if appropriate
+
+More information related to these items can be found in our
+[Patch submission Guide][E].
+
+## Code Review Workflow
+
+This section is important for code authors and reviewers. We recomment that in
+particular new code authors carefully read this section.
+
+### Workflow from a Reviewer's Perspective
+
+Patch series typically contain multiple changes to the codebase, some
+transforming the same section of the codebase multiple times. It is quite common
+for patches in a patch series to rely on the previous ones. This means that code
+reviewers review  patches and patch series **sequentially** and **the structure
+of a patch series guides the code review process**. Sometimes in a long series,
+patches {1,2}/10 will be clean-ups, {3-6}/10 will be general reorganisations
+which don't really seem to do anything and then {7-10}/10 will be the substance
+of the serties, which helps the code reviewer understand what {3-6}/10 were
+about.
+
+Generally there are no hard rules on how to structure a series, as the structure
+of a series is very code specific and it is hard to give specific advice. There
+are some general tips which  help and some general patterns.
+
+**Tips:**
+
+* Outline the thinking behind the structure of the patch series. This can make
+  a huge difference and helps ensure that the code reviewer understands what the
+  series is trying to achieve and which portions are addressing which problems.
+* Try and keep changes that belong to a subsystem together
+* Expect that the structure of a patch series sometimes may need to change
+  between different versions of a patch series
+* **Most importantly**: Start small. Don't submit a large and complex patch
+  series as the first interaction with the community. Try and pick a smaller
+  task first (e.g. a bug-fix, a clean-up task, etc.) such that you don't have
+  to learn the tools, code and deal with a large patch series all together for
+  the first time.
+
+**General Patterns:**
+
+If there are multiple subsystems involved in your series, then these are best
+separated out into **sets of patches**, which roughly follow the following
+seven categories. In other words: you would end up with **7 categories x N
+subsystems**. In some cases, there is a **global set of patches** that affect
+all subsytems (e.g. headers, macros, documentation) impacting all changed
+subsystems which ideally comes **before** subsystem specific changes.
+
+The seven categories typically making up a logical set of patches
+1. Cleanups and/or new Independent Helper Functions
+2. Reorganisations
+3. Headers, APIs, Documentation and anything which helps understand the
+   substance of a series
+4. The substance of the change
+5. Cleaninups of any infelicities introduced temporarily
+6. Deleting old code
+7. Test code
+
+Note that in many cases, some of the listed categories are not always present
+in each set, as they are not needed. Of course, sometimes there are several
+patches describing **changes of substance**, which could be ordered in different
+ways: in such cases it may be necessary to put reorganisations in between these
+patches.
+
+If a series is structured this way, it is often possible to agree early on,
+that a significant portion of the changes are fine and to check these in
+independently of the rest of the patch series. This means that there is
+* Less work for authors to rebase
+* Less cognitive overhead for reviewers to review successive versions of a
+  series
+* The possibility for different code reviewers to review portions of such
+  large changes indepentendtly
+
+**Trade-Offs:**
+
+* In some cases, following the general pattern above may create extra patches
+  and may make a series more complex and harder to understand.
+* Crafting a more extensive cover letter will be extra effort: in most cases,
+  the extra time investment will be saving time during the code review process.
+  Verbosity is not the goal, but clarity is. Before you send a larger series
+  in particular: try and put yourself into the position of a code reviewer and
+  try to identify information that helps a code reviewer follow the patch
+  series.
+* In cases where changes need to be back-ported to older releases, moving
+  general cleanups last is often preferable: in such cases the **substance of
+  the change** is back-ported, whereas general cleanups and improvements are
+  not.
+
+**Examples:**
+
+TODO:
+* We should have some examples of a well structured cover letter for a complex
+  series.
+
+A candidate may be:
+https://lore.kernel.org/xen-devel/20190928151305.127380-1-wipawel@amazon.de/T/#t
+(or earlier versions)
+
+* We should have an example which shows a patch with a good logical structure
+
+### Workflow from an Author's Perspective
+
+When code authors receive feedback on their patches, they typically first try
+to clarify feedback they do not understand. For smaller patches or patch series
+it makes sense to wait until receiving feedback on the entire series before
+sending out a new version addressing the changes. For larger series, it may
+make sense to send out a new revision earlier.
+
+As a reviewer, you need some system that he;ps ensure that you address all
+review comments. This can be tedious when trying to map a hierarchical e-mail
+thread onto a code-base. Different people use different techniques from using
+* In-code TODO statements with comment snippets copied into the code
+* To keeping a separate TODO list
+* To printing out the review conversation tree and ticking off what has been
+  addressed
+* A combination of the above
+
+### <a name="problems"></a>Problematic Patch Reviews
+
+A typical waterfall software development process is sequential with the
+following steps: define requirements, analyse, design, code, test and deploy.
+Problems uncovered by code review or testing at such a late stage can cause
+costly redesign and delays. The principle of **[Shift Left][D]** is to take a
+task that is traditionally performed at a late stage in the process and perform
+that task at earlier stages. The goal is to save time by avoiding refactoring.
+
+Typically, problematic patch reviews uncover issues such as wrong or missed
+assumptions, a problematic architecture or design, or other bugs that require
+significant re-implementation of a patch series to fix the issue.
+
+The principle of **Shift Left** also applies in code reviews. Let's assume a
+series has a major flaw: ideally, this flaw would be picked up in the **first
+or second iteration** of the code review. As significant parts of the code may
+have to be re-written, it does not make sense for reviewers to highlight minor
+issues (such as style issues) until major flaws have been addressed of the
+affected part of a patch series. In such cases, providing feedback on minor
+issues reviewers cause the code author and themselves extra work by asking for
+changes to code, which ultimately may be changed later.
+
+To make it possible for code reviewers to identify major issues early, it is
+important for code-authors to highlight possible issues in a cover letter and
+to structure a patch series in such a way that makes it easy for reviewers to
+separate diffifcult and easy portions of a patch series. This will enable
+reviewers to progress uncontroversial portions of a patch independently from
+controversial ones.
+
+### Reviewing for Patch Authors
+
+The following presentation by George Dunlap, provides an excellent overview on
+howwe do code reviews, specifically targeting non-maintainers.
+
+As a community, we would love to have more help reviewing, including from **new
+community members**. But many people
+* do not know where to start, or
+* believe that their review would not contribute much, or
+* may feel intimidated reviewing the code of more established community members
+
+The presentation demonstrates that you do not need to worry about any of these
+concerns. In addition, reviewing other people's patches helps you
+* write better patches and experience the code review process from the other
+  side
+* and build more influence within the community over time
+
+Thus, we recommend strongly that **patch authors** read the watch the recording or
+read the slides:
+* [Patch Review for Non-Maintainers slides][F]
+* [Patch Review for Non-Maintainers recording - 20"][G]
+
+[1]: communication-practice.md
+[2]: resolving-disagreement.md
+[3]: https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Submitting_Xen_Project_Patches
+[4]: https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Managing_Xen_Patches_with_Git
+[5]: https://xenbits.xenproject.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=blob;f=CODING_STYLE
+[6]: https://xenbits.xenproject.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=blob;f=tools/libxl/CODING_STYLE
+[7]: https://xenbits.xenproject.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=tree;f=docs
+[8]: http:s//xenbits.xenproject.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=blob;f=SUPPORT.md
+[9]: https://xenbits.xenproject.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=tree;f=tools/tests
+[A]: https://xenbits.xenproject.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=tree;f=xen/test
+[B]: https://gitlab.com/xen-project/xen/pipelines
+[C]: https://xenbits.xenproject.org/docs/xtf/
+[D]: https://xenbits.xenproject.org/gitweb/?p=osstest.git;a=blob;f=README
+[E]: https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Submitting_Xen_Project_Patches
+[D]: https://devopedia.org/shift-left
+[F]: https://www.slideshare.net/xen_com_mgr/xpdds19-keynote-patch-review-for-nonmaintainers-george-dunlap-citrix-systems-uk-ltd
+[G]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehZvBmrLRwg
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This guide covers the bulk on Best Practice related to code review
It primarily focusses on code review interactions
It also covers how to deal with Misunderstandings and Cultural
Differences

Changes since v2 (added in v2)
* Fix typos
* Extended "Verbose vs. terse"
* Added "Clarity over Verbosity"
* Broke "Identify the severity of an issue or disagreement" into two chapters
  - "Identify the severity and optionality of review comments" and made
    clarifications
  - "Identify the severity of a disagreement"
  - Expanded "Prioritize significant flaws"
* Added "Reviewers: Take account of previous reviewer(s) comments"
* Added prefixes such as "Reviewers:" where appropriate
* Fixed lien wrapping to 80 characters
* Replaced inline links with reference links

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+# Communication Best Practice
+
+This guide provides communication Best Practice that helps you in
+* Using welcoming and inclusive language
+* Keeping discussions technical and actionable
+* Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences
+* Being aware of your own and counterpart’s communication style and culture
+* Show empathy towards other community members
+
+## Code reviews for **reviewers** and **patch authors**
+
+Before embarking on a code review, it is important to remember that
+* A poorly executed code review can hurt the contributors feeling, even when a
+  reviewer did not intend to do so. Feeling defensive is a normal reaction to
+  a critique or feedback. A reviewer should be aware of how the pitch, tone,
+  or sentiment of their comments could be interpreted by the contributor. The
+  same applies to responses of an author to the reviewer.
+* When reviewing someone's code, you are ultimately looking for issues. A good
+  code reviewer is able to mentally separate finding issues from articulating
+  code review comments in a constructive and positive manner: depending on your
+  personality this can be **difficult** and you may need to develop a technique
+  that works for you.
+* As software engineers we like to be proud of the solutions we came up with.
+  This can make it easy to take another people’s criticism personally. Always
+  remember that it is the code that is being reviewed, not you as a person.
+* When you receive code review feedback, please be aware that we have reviewers
+  from different backgrounds, communication styles and cultures. Although we
+  all trying to create a productive, welcoming and agile environment, we do
+  not always succeed.
+
+### Express appreciation
+
+As the nature of code review to find bugs and possible issues, it is very easy
+for reviewers to get into a mode of operation where the patch review ends up
+being a list of issues, not mentioning what is right and well done. This can
+lead to the code submitter interpreting your feedback in a negative way.
+
+The opening of a code review provides an opportunity to address this and also
+sets the tone for the rest of the code review. Starting **every** review on a
+positive note, helps set the tone for the rest of the review.
+
+For an initial patch, you can use phrases such as
+> Thanks for the patch
+> Thanks for doing this
+
+For further revisions within a review, phrases such as
+> Thank you for addressing the last set of changes
+
+If you believe the code was good, it is good practice to highlight this by
+using phrases such as
+> Looks good, just a few comments
+> The changes you have made since the last version look good
+
+If you think there were issues too many with the code to use one of the
+phrases, you can still start on a positive note, by for example saying
+> I think this is a good change
+> I think this is a good feature proposal
+
+It is also entirely fine to highlight specific changes as good. The best place
+to do this, is at the top of a patch, as addressing code review comments
+typically requires a contributor to go through the list of things to address
+and an in-lined positive comment is likely to break that workflow.
+
+You should also consider, that if you review a patch of an experienced
+contributor phrases such as *Thanks for the patch* could come across as
+patronizing, while using *Thanks for doing this* is less likely to be
+interpreted as such.
+
+Appreciation should also be expressed by patch authors when asking for
+clarifications to a review or responding to questions. A simple
+> Thank you for your feedback
+> Thank you for your reply
+> Thank you XXX!
+
+is normally sufficient.
+
+### Avoid opinion: stick to the facts
+
+The way how a reviewer expresses feedback, has a big impact on how the author
+perceives the feedback. Key to this is what we call **stick to the facts**.
+The same is true when a patch author is responding to a comment from a
+reviewer.
+
+One of our maintainers has been studying Mandarin for several years and has
+come across the most strongly-worded dictionary entry [he has ever seen][1].
+This example illustrates the problem of using opinion in code reviews vs.
+using facts extremely well.
+
+> 裹脚 (guo3 jiao3): foot-binding (a vile feudal practice which crippled women
+> both physically and spiritually)
+
+This is not something one is used to hearing from dictionary entries. Once you
+investigate the practice foot-binding, it is hard to disagree with the
+dictionary entry. However, the statement does not contain much information. If
+you read it without knowing what foot-binding is, it is hard to be convinced
+by this statement. The main take-away is that the author of the dictionary
+entry had strong opinions about this topic. It does not tell you why you
+should have the same opinion.
+
+Compare this to the [Wikipedia entry][2]
+
+> Foot binding was the custom of applying tight binding to the feet of young
+> girls to modify the shape and size of their feet. ... foot binding was a
+> painful practice and significantly limited the mobility of women, resulting
+> in lifelong disabilities for most of its subjects. ... Binding usually
+> started during the winter months since the feet were more likely to be numb,
+> and therefore the pain would not be as extreme. …The toes on each foot
+> were curled under, then pressed with great force downwards and squeezed
+> into the sole of the foot until the toes broke…
+
+Without going into the details of foot-binding, it is noticeable that none of
+what is written above uses opinion which could be interpreted as inflammatory
+language. It is a list of simple facts that are laid out in a way that make it
+obvious what the correct conclusion is.
+
+Because the Wikipedia entry is entirely fact based it is more powerful and
+persuasive then the dictionary entry. The same applies to code reviews.
+
+Making statements in code reviews such as
+> Your code is garbage
+> This idea is stupid
+
+besides being an opinion is rude and counter productive
+* It will make the patch author angry: instead of finding a solution to the
+  problem the author will spend time and mental energy wrestling with their
+  feelings
+* It does not contain any information
+* Facts are both more powerful and more persuasive
+
+Consider the following two pieces of feedback on a piece of code
+> This piece of code is confusing
+> It took me a long time to ﬁgure out what was going on here
+
+The first example expresses an opinion, whereas the second re-phrases the
+statement in terms of what you experienced, which is a fact.
+
+Other examples:
+> BAD: This is fragile
+> SOMEWHAT BETTER: This seems fragile to me
+> BEST: If X happens, Y will happen.
+
+A certain piece of code can be written in many different ways: this can lead to
+disagreements on the best architecture, design or coding pattern. As already
+pointed out in this section: avoid feedback that is opinion-based and thus
+does not add any value. Back your criticism (or idea on how to solve a
+problem) with a sensible rationale.
+
+### Review the code, not the person
+
+Without realizing it, it is easy to overlook the difference between insightful
+critique of code and personal criticism. Let's look at a theoretical function
+where there is an opportunity to return out of the function early. In this
+case, you could say
+
+> You should return from this function early, because of XXX
+
+On its own, there is nothing wrong with this statement. However, a code review
+is made up of multiple comments and using **You should** consistently can
+start to feel negative and can be mis-interpreted as a personal attack. Using
+something like avoids this issue:
+
+> Returning from this function early is better, because of XXX
+
+Without personal reference, a code review will communicate the problem, idea
+or issue without risking mis-interpretation.
+
+### Verbose vs. terse
+
+Due to the time it takes to review and compose code reviewer, reviewers often
+adopt a terse style. It is not unusual to see review comments such as
+> typo
+> s/resions/regions/
+> coding style
+> coding style: brackets not needed
+etc.
+
+Terse code review style has its place and can be productive for both the
+reviewer and the author. However, overuse can come across as unfriendly,
+lacking empathy and can thus create a negative impression with the author of a
+patch. This is in particular true, when you do not know the author or the
+author is a newcomer. Terse communication styles can also be perceived as rude
+in some cultures.
+
+If you tend to use a terse commenting style and you do not know whether the
+author is OK with it, it is often a good idea to compensate for it in the code
+review opening (where you express appreciation) or when there is a need for
+verbose expression. However, when you know are working with a seasoned code
+author, it is also entirely acceptable to drop niceties such as expressing
+appreciation with the goal to save the author and reviewer time.
+
+It is also entirely fine to mention that you have a fairly terse communication
+style and ask whether the author is OK with it. In almost all cases, they will
+be: by asking you are showing empathy that helps counteract a negative
+impression.
+
+### Clarity over verbosity
+
+When reading this document, you may get the impression that following the
+guidance outlined here takes more effort and time for both code reviewers and
+code authors. This is not the intention: much of this document aims to create
+clearer communication, which ultimately saves time by reducing unnecessary
+iterations during communication. We value **clarity over verbosity**.
+
+Areas which often create unecessary back-and-forth between reviewers and
+authors are
+* Unstated assumptions and goals
+* Leave suggestions, examples, and resources (such as links to existing code)
+* There is nothing more helpful for the thought process than example. It
+  guarantees that you have a shared understanding and reduces the questions
+  asked on a comment.
+
+### Code Review Comments should be actionable
+
+Code review comments should be actionable: in other words, it needs to be clear
+what the author of the code needs to do to address the issue you identified.
+
+Statements such as
+> BAD: This is wrong
+> BAD: This does not work
+> BETTER, BUT NOT GOOD: This does not work, because of XXX
+
+do not normally provide the author of a patch with enough information to send
+out a new patch version. By doing this, you essentially force the patch author
+to **find** and **implement** an alternative, which then may also not be
+acceptable to you as the **reviewer** of the patch.
+
+A better way to approach this is to say
+
+> This does not work, because of XXX
+> You may want to investigate YYY and ZZZ as alternatives
+
+In some cases, it may not be clear whether YYY or ZZZ are the better solution.
+As a reviewer you should be as up-front and possible in such a case and say
+something like
+
+> I am not sure whether YYY and ZZZ are better, so you may want to outline your
+> thoughts about both solutions by e-mail first, such that we can decide what
+> works best
+
+### Identify the severity and optionality of review comments
+
+By default, every comment which is made **ought to be addressed** by the
+author. However, sometimes reviewers note issues, which would be nice if they
+were addressed, but are not mandatory to fix.
+
+Typically, reviewers use terminology such as
+> This would be a nice-to-have
+> This is not a blocker
+
+Some maintainers use
+> NIT: XXX
+
+however, it is sometimes also used to indicate a minor issue that **must** be
+fixed. Also terminology such as **this is not a blocker** could be
+misinterpreted. It is important that **reviewers** use language that make
+clear whether a comment is an optional suggestion. Examples may be
+> NIT (optional): XXX
+> I think it would be good if X also did Y, not a requirement but nice-to-have
+
+### Identify the severity of a disagreement
+
+During a code review, it can happen that reviewer and author disagree on how
+to move forward. The default position when it comes to disagreements is that
+**both parties want to argue their case**. However, frequently one or both
+parties do not feel that strongly about a specific issue.
+
+Within the Xen Project, we have [a way][3] to highlight one's position on
+proposals, formal or informal votes using the following notation:
+> +2 : I am happy with this proposal, and I will argue for it
+> +1 : I am happy with this proposal, but will not argue for it
+> 0 : I have no opinion
+> -1 : I am not happy with this proposal, but will not argue against it
+> -2 : I am not happy with this proposal, and I will argue against it
+
+You can use a phrase such as
+> I am not happy with this suggestion, but will not argue against it
+
+to make clear where you stand, while recording your position. Conversely, a
+reviewer may do something similar
+> I am not happy with XYZ, but will not argue against it [anymore]
+> What we have now is good enough, but could be better
+
+### Authors: responding to review comments
+
+Typically patch authors are expected to **address all** review comments in the
+next version of a patch or patch series. In a smooth-running code review where
+you do not have further questions it is not at all necessary to acknowledge
+the changes you are going to make:
+* Simply send the next version with the changes addressed and record it in the
+  change-log
+
+When there is discussion, the normal practice is to remove the portion of the
+e-mail thread where there is agreement. Otherwise, the thread can become
+exceptionally long.
+
+In cases where there was discussion and maybe disagreement, it does however
+make sense to close the discussion by saying something like
+
+> ACK
+> Seems we are agreed, I am going to do this
+
+Other situations when you may want to do this are cases where the reviewer made
+optional suggestions, to make clear whether the suggestion will be followed or
+not.
+
+### Avoid uncommon words: not everyone is a native English speaker
+
+Avoid uncommon words both when reviewing code or responding to a review. Not
+everyone is a native English speaker. The use of such words can come across
+badly and can lead to misunderstandings.
+
+### Prioritize significant flaws
+
+If a patch or patch series has significant flaws, such as
+* It is built on wrong assumptions
+* There are issues with the architecture or the design
+
+it does not make sense to do a detailed code review. In such cases, it is best
+to focus on the major issues first and deal with style and minor issues in a
+subsequent review. Not all series have significant flaws, but most series have
+different classes of changes that are required for acceptance: covering a
+range of major code modifications to minor code style fixes. To avoid
+misunderstandings between reviewers and contributors, it is important to
+establish and agree whether a series or part of a series has a significant
+flaw and agree a course of action.
+
+A pragmatic approach would be to
+* Highlight problematic portions of a series in the cover letter
+* For the patch author and reviewer(s) to agree that for problematic to omit
+  style and minor issues in the review, until the significant flaw is addressed
+
+This saves both the patch author and reviewer(s) time. Note that some
+background is covered in detail in [Problematic Patch Reviews][4].
+
+
+### Reviewers: Welcome newcomers
+
+When reviewing the first few patches of a newcomer to the project, you may want
+spend additional time and effort in your code review. This contributes to a
+more **positive experience**, which ultimately helps create a positive working
+relationship in the long term.
+
+When someone does their first code submission, they will not be familiar with
+**all** conventions in the project. A good approach is to
+* Welcome the newcomer
+* Offer to help with specific questions, for example on IRC
+* Point to existing documentation: in particular if mistakes with the
+  submission itself were made. In most situations, following the submission
+  process makes the process more seamless for the contributor. So, you could
+  say something like
+
+> Hi XXX. Welcome to the community and thank you for the patch
+>
+> I noticed that the submission you made seems to not follow our process.
+> Are you aware of this document at YYY? If you follow the instructions the
+> entire code submission process and dealing with review comments becomes
+> much easier. Feel free to find me on IRC if you need specific help. My IRC
+> handle is ZZZ
+
+### Reviewers: Take account of previous reviewer(s) comments
+
+Sometimes multiple reviewers share reviewing a series. For example,
+reviewer John has reviewed the first 5 iterations of the series. The patch
+author has addressed all of John's comments and Susan comes in and picks up
+the series after iteration 5. In such cases it is possible that John and Susan
+have different styles, such as
+* different preferences on the code layout
+* different preferences on code style
+
+If Susan were to be strict on her own style and highlight her style
+preferences in subsequent reviews, this would cause additional re-work for the
+code author. In addition, it also causes extra work for Susan. The easiest way
+to avoid such situations, would be for Susan to focus on faulty code only and
+to disregard personal preferences when taking over the review of a series.
+
+### Reviewers: Review the code, then review the review
+
+As stated earlier it is often difficult to mentally separate finding issues
+from articulating code review comments in a constructive and positive manner.
+Even as an experienced code reviewer you can be in a bad mood, which can
+ impact your communication style.
+
+A good trick to avoid this, is to start and complete the code review and then
+**not send it immediately**. You can then have a final go over the code review
+at some later point in time and review your comments from the other author's
+point of view. This minimizes the risk of being misunderstood. The same
+applies when replying to a code review: draft your reply and give it a final
+scan before pressing the send button.
+
+Generally, it is a good idea for code reviewers to do this regularly, purely
+from the viewpoint of self-improvement and self-awareness.
+
+## Common Communication Pitfalls
+
+This section contains common communication issues and provides suggestions on
+how to avoid them and resolve them. These are **general** issues which affect
+**all** online communication. As such, we can only try and do our best.
+
+### Misunderstandings
+
+When you meet face to face, you can read a person’s emotions. Even with a
+phone call, someone’s tone of voice can convey a lot of information. Using
+on-line communication channels you are flying blind, which often leads to
+misunderstandings. [Research][5] shows that in up to 50% of email
+conversations, the tone of voice is misinterpreted.
+
+In code reviews and technical discussions in general we tend to see two things
+* The reviewer or author interprets an exchange as too critical, passive
+  aggressive, or other: this usually comes down to different cultures and
+  communication styles, which are covered in the next section
+* There is an actual misunderstanding of a subject under discussion
+
+In the latter case, the key to resolution is to **identify the
+misunderstanding** as quickly as possible and call it out and de-escalate
+rather than let the misunderstanding linger. This is inherently difficult and
+requires more care than normal communication. Typically you would start with
+* Showing appreciation
+* Highlighting the potential misunderstanding and verifying whether the other
+  person also feels that maybe there was a misunderstanding
+* Proposing a way forward: for example, it may make sense to move the
+  conversation from the mailing list to [IRC][6] either in private or public,
+  a community call or a private phone/video call.
+
+It is entirely acceptable to do this in a direct reply to your communication
+partner, rather than on a public e-mail list on or an otherwise public forum.
+
+A good approach is to use something like the following:
+> Hi XXX! Thank you for the insights you have given me in this code review
+> I feel that we are misunderstanding each other on the topic of YYY
+> Would you mind trying to resolve this on IRC. I am available at ZZZ
+
+Usually, technical misunderstandings come down two either
+1. Misinterpreting what the other person meant
+2. Different - usually unstated - assumptions on how something works or what
+   is to be achieved
+3. Different - usually unstated - objectives and goals, which may be
+   conflicting
+4. Real differences in opinion
+
+The goal of calling out a possible misunderstanding is to establish what
+caused the misunderstanding, such that all parties can move forward.
+Typically, 1 and 2 are easily resolved and will lead back to a constructive
+discussion. Whereas 3 and 4 may highlight an inherent disagreement, which may
+need to be resolved through techniques as
+outlined in [Resolving Disagreement][7].
+
+### Cultural differences and different communication styles
+
+The Xen Project is a global community with contributors from many different
+backgrounds. Typically, when we communicate with a person we know, we factor
+in past interactions. The less we know a person, the more we rely on cultural
+norms.
+
+However, different norms and value systems come into play when people from
+diverse cultural backgrounds interact. That can lead to misunderstandings,
+especially in sensitive situations such as conflict resolution, giving and
+receiving feedback, and consensus building.
+
+For example, giving direct feedback such as
+> [Please] replace XXX with YYY, as XXX does not do ZZZ
+
+is acceptable and normal in some cultures, whereas in cultures which value
+indirect feedback it would be considered rude. In the latter case, something
+like the following would be used
+> This looks very good to me, but I believe you should use YYY here,
+> because XXX would....
+
+The key to working and communicating well with people from different cultural
+backgrounds is **self-awareness**, which can then be used to either
+* Adapt your own communication style depending on who you talk to
+* Or to find a middle-ground that covers most bases
+
+A number of different theories in the field of working effectively are
+currently popular, with the most well-known one being
+[Erin Meyer's Culture Map][8]. A short overview can be found [here][9]
+(33 slides).
+
+### Code reviews and discussions are not competitions
+
+Code reviews on our mailing lists are not competitions on who can come up with
+the smartest solution or who is the real coding genius.
+
+In a code review - as well as in general - we expect that all stake-holders
+* Gracefully accept constructive criticism
+* Focus on what is best for the community
+* Resolve differences in opinion effectively
+
+The next section provides pointers on how to do this effectively.
+
+### Resolving Disagreement Effectively
+
+Common scenarios are covered our guide on [Resolving Disagreement][7], which
+lays out situations that can lead to dead-lock and shows common patterns on
+how to avoid and resolve issues.
+
+[1]: https://youtu.be/ehZvBmrLRwg?t=834
+[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_binding
+[3]: https://xenproject.org/developers/governance/#expressingopinion
+[4]: resolving-disagreement.md#problems
+[5]: https://www.wired.com/2006/02/the-secret-cause-of-flame-wars/
+[6]: https://xenproject.org/help/irc/
+[7]: resolving-disagreement.md
+[8]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Meyer
+[9]: https://www.nsf.gov/attachments/134059/public/15LFW_WorkingWithMulticulturalTeams_LarsonC.pdf
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From: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com>

This document highlights what reviewers such as maintainers and committers look
for when reviewing code. It sets expectations for code authors and provides
a framework for code reviewers.

Changes since v3
* Added example under *Workflow from a Reviewer's Perspective* section
* Fixed typos in text introduced in v2

Changes since v2 (introduced in v2)
* Extend introduction
* Add "Code Review Workflow" covering
  - "Workflow from a Reviewer's Perspective"
  - "Workflow from an Author's Perspective"
  - "Problematic Patch Reviews"
* Wrap to 80 characters
* Replace inline links with reference links to make
  wrapping easier

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+# Code Review Guide
+
+This document highlights what reviewers such as maintainers and committers look
+for when reviewing your code. It sets expectations for code authors and provides
+a framework for code reviewers.
+
+Before we start, it is important to remember that the primary purpose of a
+a code review is to identify any bugs or potential bugs in the code. Most code
+reviews are relatively straight-forward and do not require re-writing the
+submitted code substantially.
+
+The document provides advice on how to structure larger patch series and
+provides  pointers on code author's and reviewer's workflows.
+
+Sometimes it happens that a submitted patch series made wrong assumptions or has
+a flawed design or architecture. This can be frustrating for contributors and
+code  reviewers. Note that this document does contain [a section](#problems)
+that provides  suggestions on how to minimize the impact for most stake-holders
+and also on how to avoid such situations.
+
+This document does **not cover** the following topics:
+* [Communication Best Practice][1]
+* [Resolving Disagreement][2]
+* [Patch Submission Workflow][3]
+* [Managing Patch Submission with Git][4]
+
+## What we look for in Code Reviews
+
+When performing a code review, reviewers typically look for the following things
+
+### Is the change necessary to accomplish the goals?
+
+* Is it clear what the goals are?
+* Do we need to make a change, or can the goals be met with existing
+  functionality?
+
+### Architecture / Interface
+
+* Is this the best way to solve the problem?
+* Is this the right part of the code to modify?
+* Is this the right level of abstraction?
+* Is the interface general enough? Too general? Forward compatible?
+
+### Functionality
+
+* Does it do what it’s trying to do?
+* Is it doing it in the most efﬁcient way?
+* Does it handle all the corner / error cases correctly?
+
+### Maintainability / Robustness
+
+* Is the code clear? Appropriately commented?
+* Does it duplicate another piece of code?
+* Does the code make hidden assumptions?
+* Does it introduce sections which need to be kept **in sync** with other
+  sections?
+* Are there other **traps** someone modifying this code might fall into?
+
+**Note:** Sometimes you will work in areas which have identified maintainability
+and/or robustness issues. In such cases, maintainers may ask you to make
+additional changes, such that your submitted code does not make things worse or
+point you to other patches are already being worked on.
+
+### System properties
+
+In some areas of the code, system properties such as
+* Code size
+* Performance
+* Scalability
+* Latency
+* Complexity
+* &c
+are also important during code reviews.
+
+### Style
+
+* Comments, carriage returns, **snuggly braces**, &c
+* See [CODING_STYLE][5] and [tools/libxl/CODING_STYLE][6]
+* No extraneous whitespace changes
+
+### Documentation and testing
+
+* If there is pre-existing documentation in the tree, such as man pages, design
+  documents, etc. a contributor may be asked to update the documentation
+  alongside the change. Documentation is typically present in the [docs][7]
+  folder.
+* When adding new features that have an impact on the end-user,
+  a contributor should include an update to the [SUPPORT.md][8] file.
+  Typically, more complex features require several patch series before it is
+  ready to be advertised in SUPPORT.md
+* When adding new features, a contributor may be asked to provide tests or
+  ensure that existing tests pass
+
+#### Testing for the Xen Project Hypervisor
+
+Tests are typically located in one of the following directories
+* **Unit tests**: [tools/tests][9] or [xen/test][A]<br>
+  Unit testing is hard for a system like Xen and typically requires building a
+  subsystem of your tree. If your change can be easily unit tested, you should
+  consider submitting tests with your patch.
+* **Build and smoke test**: see [Xen GitLab CI][B]<br>
+  Runs build tests for a combination of various distros and compilers against
+  changes committed to staging. Developers can join as members and test their
+  development branches **before** submitting a patch.
+* **XTF tests** (microkernel-based tests): see [XTF][C]<br>
+  XTF has been designed to test interactions between your software and hardware.
+  It is a very useful tool for testing low level functionality and is executed
+  as part of the project's CI system. XTF can be easily executed locally on
+  xen.git trees.
+* **osstest**: see [README][D]<br>
+  Osstest is the Xen Projects automated test system, which tests basic Xen use
+  cases on a variety of different hardware. Before changes are committed, but
+  **after** they have been reviewed. A contributor’s changes **cannot be
+  applied to master** unless the tests pass this test suite. Note that XTF and
+  other tests are also executed as part of osstest.
+
+### Patch / Patch series information
+
+* Informative one-line changelog
+* Full changelog
+* Motivation described
+* All important technical changes mentioned
+* Changes since previous revision listed
+* Reviewed-by’s and Acked-by’s dropped if appropriate
+
+More information related to these items can be found in our
+[Patch submission Guide][E].
+
+## Code Review Workflow
+
+This section is important for code authors and reviewers. We recommend that in
+particular new code authors carefully read this section.
+
+### Workflow from a Reviewer's Perspective
+
+Patch series typically contain multiple changes to the codebase, some
+transforming the same section of the codebase multiple times. It is quite common
+for patches in a patch series to rely on the previous ones. This means that code
+reviewers review  patches and patch series **sequentially** and **the structure
+of a patch series guides the code review process**. Sometimes in a long series,
+patches {1,2}/10 will be clean-ups, {3-6}/10 will be general reorganisations
+which don't really seem to do anything and then {7-10}/10 will be the substance
+of the series, which helps the code reviewer understand what {3-6}/10 were
+about.
+
+Generally there are no hard rules on how to structure a series, as the structure
+of a series is very code specific and it is hard to give specific advice. There
+are some general tips which  help and some general patterns.
+
+**Tips:**
+
+* Outline the thinking behind the structure of the patch series. This can make
+  a huge difference and helps ensure that the code reviewer understands what the
+  series is trying to achieve and which portions are addressing which problems.
+* Try and keep changes that belong to a subsystem together
+* Expect that the structure of a patch series sometimes may need to change
+  between different versions of a patch series
+* **Most importantly**: Start small. Don't submit a large and complex patch
+  series as the first interaction with the community. Try and pick a smaller
+  task first (e.g. a bug-fix, a clean-up task, etc.) such that you don't have
+  to learn the tools, code and deal with a large patch series all together for
+  the first time.
+
+**General Patterns:**
+
+If there are multiple subsystems involved in your series, then these are best
+separated out into **sets of patches**, which roughly follow the following
+seven categories. In other words: you would end up with **7 categories x N
+subsystems**. In some cases, there is a **global set of patches** that affect
+all subsytems (e.g. headers, macros, documentation) impacting all changed
+subsystems which ideally comes **before** subsystem specific changes.
+
+The seven categories typically making up a logical set of patches
+1. Cleanups and/or new Independent Helper Functions
+2. Reorganisations
+3. Headers, APIs, Documentation and anything which helps understand the
+   substance of a series
+4. The substance of the change
+5. Cleanups of any infelicities introduced temporarily
+6. Deleting old code
+7. Test code
+
+Note that in many cases, some of the listed categories are not always present
+in each set, as they are not needed. Of course, sometimes there are several
+patches describing **changes of substance**, which could be ordered in different
+ways: in such cases it may be necessary to put reorganisations in between these
+patches.
+
+If a series is structured this way, it is often possible to agree early on,
+that a significant portion of the changes are fine and to check these in
+independently of the rest of the patch series. This means that there is
+* Less work for authors to rebase
+* Less cognitive overhead for reviewers to review successive versions of a
+  series
+* The possibility for different code reviewers to review portions of such
+  large changes independently
+
+**Trade-Offs:**
+
+* In some cases, following the general pattern above may create extra patches
+  and may make a series more complex and harder to understand.
+* Crafting a more extensive cover letter will be extra effort: in most cases,
+  the extra time investment will be saving time during the code review process.
+  Verbosity is not the goal, but clarity is. Before you send a larger series
+  in particular: try and put yourself into the position of a code reviewer and
+  try to identify information that helps a code reviewer follow the patch
+  series.
+* In cases where changes need to be back-ported to older releases, moving
+  general cleanups last is often preferable: in such cases the **substance of
+  the change** is back-ported, whereas general cleanups and improvements are
+  not.
+
+**Example:**
+* [[PATCH v3 00/18] VM forking][H] is a complex patch series with an exemplary
+  cover letter. Notably, it contains the following elements
+  * It provides a description of the design goals and detailed description
+    of the steps required to fork a VM.
+  * A description of changes to the user interface
+  * It contains some information about the test status of the series including
+    some performance information.
+  * It maps the series onto the categories listed above. As expected, not
+    all categories are used in this case. However, the series does contain
+    elements of **1** (in this case preparation to enable the functionality),
+    **2** reorganisations and other non-functional changes that enable the
+    rest of the series and **4** the substance of the series with additional
+    information to make it easier for the reviewer to parse the series.
+
+### Workflow from an Author's Perspective
+
+When code authors receive feedback on their patches, they typically first try
+to clarify feedback they do not understand. For smaller patches or patch series
+it makes sense to wait until receiving feedback on the entire series before
+sending out a new version addressing the changes. For larger series, it may
+make sense to send out a new revision earlier.
+
+As a reviewer, you need some system that helps ensure that you address all
+review comments. This can be tedious when trying to map a hierarchical e-mail
+thread onto a code-base. Different people use different techniques from using
+* In-code TODO statements with comment snippets copied into the code
+* To keeping a separate TODO list
+* To printing out the review conversation tree and ticking off what has been
+  addressed
+* A combination of the above
+
+### <a name="problems"></a>Problematic Patch Reviews
+
+A typical waterfall software development process is sequential with the
+following steps: define requirements, analyse, design, code, test and deploy.
+Problems uncovered by code review or testing at such a late stage can cause
+costly redesign and delays. The principle of **[Shift Left][D]** is to take a
+task that is traditionally performed at a late stage in the process and perform
+that task at earlier stages. The goal is to save time by avoiding refactoring.
+
+Typically, problematic patch reviews uncover issues such as wrong or missed
+assumptions, a problematic architecture or design, or other bugs that require
+significant re-implementation of a patch series to fix the issue.
+
+The principle of **Shift Left** also applies in code reviews. Let's assume a
+series has a major flaw: ideally, this flaw would be picked up in the **first
+or second iteration** of the code review. As significant parts of the code may
+have to be re-written, it does not make sense for reviewers to highlight minor
+issues (such as style issues) until major flaws have been addressed of the
+affected part of a patch series. In such cases, providing feedback on minor
+issues reviewers cause the code author and themselves extra work by asking for
+changes to code, which ultimately may be changed later.
+
+To make it possible for code reviewers to identify major issues early, it is
+important for code-authors to highlight possible issues in a cover letter and
+to structure a patch series in such a way that makes it easy for reviewers to
+separate difficult and easy portions of a patch series. This will enable
+reviewers to progress uncontroversial portions of a patch independently from
+controversial ones.
+
+### Reviewing for Patch Authors
+
+The following presentation by George Dunlap, provides an excellent overview on
+how we do code reviews, specifically targeting non-maintainers.
+
+As a community, we would love to have more help reviewing, including from **new
+community members**. But many people
+* do not know where to start, or
+* believe that their review would not contribute much, or
+* may feel intimidated reviewing the code of more established community members
+
+The presentation demonstrates that you do not need to worry about any of these
+concerns. In addition, reviewing other people's patches helps you
+* write better patches and experience the code review process from the other
+  side
+* and build more influence within the community over time
+
+Thus, we recommend strongly that **patch authors** read the watch the recording
+or read the slides:
+* [Patch Review for Non-Maintainers slides][F]
+* [Patch Review for Non-Maintainers recording - 20"][G]
+
+[1]: communication-practice.md
+[2]: resolving-disagreement.md
+[3]: https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Submitting_Xen_Project_Patches
+[4]: https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Managing_Xen_Patches_with_Git
+[5]: https://xenbits.xenproject.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=blob;f=CODING_STYLE
+[6]: https://xenbits.xenproject.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=blob;f=tools/libxl/CODING_STYLE
+[7]: https://xenbits.xenproject.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=tree;f=docs
+[8]: https://xenbits.xenproject.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=blob;f=SUPPORT.md
+[9]: https://xenbits.xenproject.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=tree;f=tools/tests
+[A]: https://xenbits.xenproject.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=tree;f=xen/test
+[B]: https://gitlab.com/xen-project/xen/pipelines
+[C]: https://xenbits.xenproject.org/docs/xtf/
+[D]: https://xenbits.xenproject.org/gitweb/?p=osstest.git;a=blob;f=README
+[E]: https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Submitting_Xen_Project_Patches
+[D]: https://devopedia.org/shift-left
+[F]: https://www.slideshare.net/xen_com_mgr/xpdds19-keynote-patch-review-for-nonmaintainers-george-dunlap-citrix-systems-uk-ltd
+[G]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehZvBmrLRwg
+[H]: https://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2019-12/threads.html#02097
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From: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com>

This document is a portal page that lays out our gold standard,
best practices for some common situations and mechanisms to help
resolve issues that can have a negative effect on our community.

Detail is covered in subsequent documents

Changes since v3
- Also changes the TODO in code-of-conduct.md which had been lost
  in v2

Changes since v2 (introduced in v2)
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diff --git a/code-of-conduct.md b/code-of-conduct.md
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--- a/code-of-conduct.md
+++ b/code-of-conduct.md
@@ -14,7 +14,7 @@ personal appearance, race, religion, or sexual identity and orientation.
 We believe that a Code of Conduct can help create a harassment-free environment,
 but is not sufficient to create a welcoming environment on its own: guidance on
 creating a welcoming environment, how to communicate in an effective and
-friendly way, etc. can be found [here][guidance].
+friendly way, etc. can be found [here][guidance]].
 
 Examples of unacceptable behavior by participants include:
 
@@ -85,7 +85,7 @@ version 1.4, available at
 https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-conduct.html
 
 [homepage]: https://www.contributor-covenant.org
-[guidance]: TODO-INSERT-URL
+[guidance]: communication-guide.md
 
 For answers to common questions about this code of conduct, see
 https://www.contributor-covenant.org/faq
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--- /dev/null
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@@ -0,0 +1,67 @@
+# Communication Guide
+
+We believe that our [Code of Conduct](code-of-conduct.md) can help create a
+harassment-free environment, but is not sufficient to create a welcoming
+environment on its own. We can all make mistakes: when we do, we take
+responsibility for them and try to improve.
+
+This document lays out our gold standard, best practices for some common
+situations and mechanisms to help resolve issues that can have a
+negative effect on our community.
+
+## Goal
+
+We want a productive, welcoming and agile community that can welcome new
+ideas in a complex technical field which is able to reflect on and improve how
+we work.
+
+## Communication & Handling Differences in Opinions
+
+Examples of behavior that contributes to creating a positive environment
+include:
+* Use welcoming and inclusive language
+* Keep discussions technical and actionable
+* Be respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences
+* Be aware of your own and counterpart’s communication style and culture
+* Gracefully accept constructive criticism
+* Focus on what is best for the community
+* Show empathy towards other community members
+* Resolve differences in opinion effectively
+
+## Getting Help
+
+When developing code collaboratively, technical discussion and disagreements
+are unavoidable. Our contributors come from different countries and cultures,
+are driven by different goals and take pride in their work and in their point
+of view. This invariably can lead to lengthy and unproductive debate,
+followed by indecision, sometimes this can impact working relationships
+or lead to other issues that can have a negative effect on our community.
+
+To minimize such issue, we provide a 3-stage process
+* Self-help as outlined in this document
+* Ability to ask for an independent opinion or help in private
+* Mediation between parties which disagree. In this case a neutral community
+  member assists the disputing parties resolve the issues or will work with the
+  parties such that they can improve future interactions.
+
+If you need and independent opinion or help, feel free to contact
+mediation@xenproject.org. The team behind mediation@ is made up of the
+same community members as those listed in the Conduct Team: see
+[Code of Conduct](code-of-conduct.md). In addition, team members are obligated
+to maintain confidentiality with regard discussions that take place. If you
+have concerns about any of the members of the mediation@ alias, you are
+welcome to contact precisely the team member(s) of your choice. In this case,
+please make certain that you highlight the nature of a request by making sure
+that either help or mediation is mentioned in the e-mail subject or body.
+
+## Specific Topics and Best Practice
+
+* [Code Review Guide](code-review-guide.md):
+  Essential reading for code reviewers and contributors
+* [Communication Best Practice](communication-practice.md):
+  This guide covers communication guidelines for code reviewers and authors.
+  It should help you create self-awareness, anticipate, avoid  and help resolve
+  communication issues.
+* [Resolving Disagreement](resolving-disagreement.md):
+  This guide lays out common situations that can lead to dead-lock and shows
+  common patterns on how to avoid and resolve issues.
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This guide covers the bulk on Best Practice related to code review
It primarily focusses on code review interactions
It also covers how to deal with Misunderstandings and Cultural
Differences

Changes since v3
* Fixed typo

Changes since v2 (added in v2)
* Fix typos
* Extended "Verbose vs. terse"
* Added "Clarity over Verbosity"
* Broke "Identify the severity of an issue or disagreement" into two chapters
  - "Identify the severity and optionality of review comments" and made
    clarifications
  - "Identify the severity of a disagreement"
  - Expanded "Prioritize significant flaws"
* Added "Reviewers: Take account of previous reviewer(s) comments"
* Added prefixes such as "Reviewers:" where appropriate
* Fixed lien wrapping to 80 characters
* Replaced inline links with reference links

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+# Communication Best Practice
+
+This guide provides communication Best Practice that helps you in
+* Using welcoming and inclusive language
+* Keeping discussions technical and actionable
+* Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences
+* Being aware of your own and counterpart’s communication style and culture
+* Show empathy towards other community members
+
+## Code reviews for **reviewers** and **patch authors**
+
+Before embarking on a code review, it is important to remember that
+* A poorly executed code review can hurt the contributors feeling, even when a
+  reviewer did not intend to do so. Feeling defensive is a normal reaction to
+  a critique or feedback. A reviewer should be aware of how the pitch, tone,
+  or sentiment of their comments could be interpreted by the contributor. The
+  same applies to responses of an author to the reviewer.
+* When reviewing someone's code, you are ultimately looking for issues. A good
+  code reviewer is able to mentally separate finding issues from articulating
+  code review comments in a constructive and positive manner: depending on your
+  personality this can be **difficult** and you may need to develop a technique
+  that works for you.
+* As software engineers we like to be proud of the solutions we came up with.
+  This can make it easy to take another people’s criticism personally. Always
+  remember that it is the code that is being reviewed, not you as a person.
+* When you receive code review feedback, please be aware that we have reviewers
+  from different backgrounds, communication styles and cultures. Although we
+  all trying to create a productive, welcoming and agile environment, we do
+  not always succeed.
+
+### Express appreciation
+
+As the nature of code review to find bugs and possible issues, it is very easy
+for reviewers to get into a mode of operation where the patch review ends up
+being a list of issues, not mentioning what is right and well done. This can
+lead to the code submitter interpreting your feedback in a negative way.
+
+The opening of a code review provides an opportunity to address this and also
+sets the tone for the rest of the code review. Starting **every** review on a
+positive note, helps set the tone for the rest of the review.
+
+For an initial patch, you can use phrases such as
+> Thanks for the patch
+> Thanks for doing this
+
+For further revisions within a review, phrases such as
+> Thank you for addressing the last set of changes
+
+If you believe the code was good, it is good practice to highlight this by
+using phrases such as
+> Looks good, just a few comments
+> The changes you have made since the last version look good
+
+If you think there were issues too many with the code to use one of the
+phrases, you can still start on a positive note, by for example saying
+> I think this is a good change
+> I think this is a good feature proposal
+
+It is also entirely fine to highlight specific changes as good. The best place
+to do this, is at the top of a patch, as addressing code review comments
+typically requires a contributor to go through the list of things to address
+and an in-lined positive comment is likely to break that workflow.
+
+You should also consider, that if you review a patch of an experienced
+contributor phrases such as *Thanks for the patch* could come across as
+patronizing, while using *Thanks for doing this* is less likely to be
+interpreted as such.
+
+Appreciation should also be expressed by patch authors when asking for
+clarifications to a review or responding to questions. A simple
+> Thank you for your feedback
+> Thank you for your reply
+> Thank you XXX!
+
+is normally sufficient.
+
+### Avoid opinion: stick to the facts
+
+The way how a reviewer expresses feedback, has a big impact on how the author
+perceives the feedback. Key to this is what we call **stick to the facts**.
+The same is true when a patch author is responding to a comment from a
+reviewer.
+
+One of our maintainers has been studying Mandarin for several years and has
+come across the most strongly-worded dictionary entry [he has ever seen][1].
+This example illustrates the problem of using opinion in code reviews vs.
+using facts extremely well.
+
+> 裹脚 (guo3 jiao3): foot-binding (a vile feudal practice which crippled women
+> both physically and spiritually)
+
+This is not something one is used to hearing from dictionary entries. Once you
+investigate the practice foot-binding, it is hard to disagree with the
+dictionary entry. However, the statement does not contain much information. If
+you read it without knowing what foot-binding is, it is hard to be convinced
+by this statement. The main take-away is that the author of the dictionary
+entry had strong opinions about this topic. It does not tell you why you
+should have the same opinion.
+
+Compare this to the [Wikipedia entry][2]
+
+> Foot binding was the custom of applying tight binding to the feet of young
+> girls to modify the shape and size of their feet. ... foot binding was a
+> painful practice and significantly limited the mobility of women, resulting
+> in lifelong disabilities for most of its subjects. ... Binding usually
+> started during the winter months since the feet were more likely to be numb,
+> and therefore the pain would not be as extreme. …The toes on each foot
+> were curled under, then pressed with great force downwards and squeezed
+> into the sole of the foot until the toes broke…
+
+Without going into the details of foot-binding, it is noticeable that none of
+what is written above uses opinion which could be interpreted as inflammatory
+language. It is a list of simple facts that are laid out in a way that make it
+obvious what the correct conclusion is.
+
+Because the Wikipedia entry is entirely fact based it is more powerful and
+persuasive than the dictionary entry. The same applies to code reviews.
+
+Making statements in code reviews such as
+> Your code is garbage
+> This idea is stupid
+
+besides being an opinion is rude and counter productive
+* It will make the patch author angry: instead of finding a solution to the
+  problem the author will spend time and mental energy wrestling with their
+  feelings
+* It does not contain any information
+* Facts are both more powerful and more persuasive
+
+Consider the following two pieces of feedback on a piece of code
+> This piece of code is confusing
+> It took me a long time to ﬁgure out what was going on here
+
+The first example expresses an opinion, whereas the second re-phrases the
+statement in terms of what you experienced, which is a fact.
+
+Other examples:
+> BAD: This is fragile
+> SOMEWHAT BETTER: This seems fragile to me
+> BEST: If X happens, Y will happen.
+
+A certain piece of code can be written in many different ways: this can lead to
+disagreements on the best architecture, design or coding pattern. As already
+pointed out in this section: avoid feedback that is opinion-based and thus
+does not add any value. Back your criticism (or idea on how to solve a
+problem) with a sensible rationale.
+
+### Review the code, not the person
+
+Without realizing it, it is easy to overlook the difference between insightful
+critique of code and personal criticism. Let's look at a theoretical function
+where there is an opportunity to return out of the function early. In this
+case, you could say
+
+> You should return from this function early, because of XXX
+
+On its own, there is nothing wrong with this statement. However, a code review
+is made up of multiple comments and using **You should** consistently can
+start to feel negative and can be mis-interpreted as a personal attack. Using
+something like avoids this issue:
+
+> Returning from this function early is better, because of XXX
+
+Without personal reference, a code review will communicate the problem, idea
+or issue without risking mis-interpretation.
+
+### Verbose vs. terse
+
+Due to the time it takes to review and compose code reviewer, reviewers often
+adopt a terse style. It is not unusual to see review comments such as
+> typo
+> s/resions/regions/
+> coding style
+> coding style: brackets not needed
+etc.
+
+Terse code review style has its place and can be productive for both the
+reviewer and the author. However, overuse can come across as unfriendly,
+lacking empathy and can thus create a negative impression with the author of a
+patch. This is in particular true, when you do not know the author or the
+author is a newcomer. Terse communication styles can also be perceived as rude
+in some cultures.
+
+If you tend to use a terse commenting style and you do not know whether the
+author is OK with it, it is often a good idea to compensate for it in the code
+review opening (where you express appreciation) or when there is a need for
+verbose expression. However, when you know are working with a seasoned code
+author, it is also entirely acceptable to drop niceties such as expressing
+appreciation with the goal to save the author and reviewer time.
+
+It is also entirely fine to mention that you have a fairly terse communication
+style and ask whether the author is OK with it. In almost all cases, they will
+be: by asking you are showing empathy that helps counteract a negative
+impression.
+
+### Clarity over verbosity
+
+When reading this document, you may get the impression that following the
+guidance outlined here takes more effort and time for both code reviewers and
+code authors. This is not the intention: much of this document aims to create
+clearer communication, which ultimately saves time by reducing unnecessary
+iterations during communication. We value **clarity over verbosity**.
+
+Areas which often create unnecessary back-and-forth between reviewers and
+authors are
+* Unstated assumptions and goals
+* Leave suggestions, examples, and resources (such as links to existing code)
+* There is nothing more helpful for the thought process than example. It
+  guarantees that you have a shared understanding and reduces the questions
+  asked on a comment.
+
+### Code Review Comments should be actionable
+
+Code review comments should be actionable: in other words, it needs to be clear
+what the author of the code needs to do to address the issue you identified.
+
+Statements such as
+> BAD: This is wrong
+> BAD: This does not work
+> BETTER, BUT NOT GOOD: This does not work, because of XXX
+
+do not normally provide the author of a patch with enough information to send
+out a new patch version. By doing this, you essentially force the patch author
+to **find** and **implement** an alternative, which then may also not be
+acceptable to you as the **reviewer** of the patch.
+
+A better way to approach this is to say
+
+> This does not work, because of XXX
+> You may want to investigate YYY and ZZZ as alternatives
+
+In some cases, it may not be clear whether YYY or ZZZ are the better solution.
+As a reviewer you should be as up-front and possible in such a case and say
+something like
+
+> I am not sure whether YYY and ZZZ are better, so you may want to outline your
+> thoughts about both solutions by e-mail first, such that we can decide what
+> works best
+
+### Identify the severity and optionality of review comments
+
+By default, every comment which is made **ought to be addressed** by the
+author. However, sometimes reviewers note issues, which would be nice if they
+were addressed, but are not mandatory to fix.
+
+Typically, reviewers use terminology such as
+> This would be a nice-to-have
+> This is not a blocker
+
+Some maintainers use
+> NIT: XXX
+
+however, it is sometimes also used to indicate a minor issue that **must** be
+fixed. Also terminology such as **this is not a blocker** could be
+misinterpreted. It is important that **reviewers** use language that make
+clear whether a comment is an optional suggestion. Examples may be
+> NIT (optional): XXX
+> I think it would be good if X also did Y, not a requirement but nice-to-have
+
+### Identify the severity of a disagreement
+
+During a code review, it can happen that reviewer and author disagree on how
+to move forward. The default position when it comes to disagreements is that
+**both parties want to argue their case**. However, frequently one or both
+parties do not feel that strongly about a specific issue.
+
+Within the Xen Project, we have [a way][3] to highlight one's position on
+proposals, formal or informal votes using the following notation:
+> +2 : I am happy with this proposal, and I will argue for it
+> +1 : I am happy with this proposal, but will not argue for it
+> 0 : I have no opinion
+> -1 : I am not happy with this proposal, but will not argue against it
+> -2 : I am not happy with this proposal, and I will argue against it
+
+You can use a phrase such as
+> I am not happy with this suggestion, but will not argue against it
+
+to make clear where you stand, while recording your position. Conversely, a
+reviewer may do something similar
+> I am not happy with XYZ, but will not argue against it [anymore]
+> What we have now is good enough, but could be better
+
+### Authors: responding to review comments
+
+Typically patch authors are expected to **address all** review comments in the
+next version of a patch or patch series. In a smooth-running code review where
+you do not have further questions it is not at all necessary to acknowledge
+the changes you are going to make:
+* Simply send the next version with the changes addressed and record it in the
+  change-log
+
+When there is discussion, the normal practice is to remove the portion of the
+e-mail thread where there is agreement. Otherwise, the thread can become
+exceptionally long.
+
+In cases where there was discussion and maybe disagreement, it does however
+make sense to close the discussion by saying something like
+
+> ACK
+> Seems we are agreed, I am going to do this
+
+Other situations when you may want to do this are cases where the reviewer made
+optional suggestions, to make clear whether the suggestion will be followed or
+not.
+
+### Avoid uncommon words: not everyone is a native English speaker
+
+Avoid uncommon words both when reviewing code or responding to a review. Not
+everyone is a native English speaker. The use of such words can come across
+badly and can lead to misunderstandings.
+
+### Prioritize significant flaws
+
+If a patch or patch series has significant flaws, such as
+* It is built on wrong assumptions
+* There are issues with the architecture or the design
+
+it does not make sense to do a detailed code review. In such cases, it is best
+to focus on the major issues first and deal with style and minor issues in a
+subsequent review. Not all series have significant flaws, but most series have
+different classes of changes that are required for acceptance: covering a
+range of major code modifications to minor code style fixes. To avoid
+misunderstandings between reviewers and contributors, it is important to
+establish and agree whether a series or part of a series has a significant
+flaw and agree a course of action.
+
+A pragmatic approach would be to
+* Highlight problematic portions of a series in the cover letter
+* For the patch author and reviewer(s) to agree that for problematic to omit
+  style and minor issues in the review, until the significant flaw is addressed
+
+This saves both the patch author and reviewer(s) time. Note that some
+background is covered in detail in [Problematic Patch Reviews][4].
+
+
+### Reviewers: Welcome newcomers
+
+When reviewing the first few patches of a newcomer to the project, you may want
+spend additional time and effort in your code review. This contributes to a
+more **positive experience**, which ultimately helps create a positive working
+relationship in the long term.
+
+When someone does their first code submission, they will not be familiar with
+**all** conventions in the project. A good approach is to
+* Welcome the newcomer
+* Offer to help with specific questions, for example on IRC
+* Point to existing documentation: in particular if mistakes with the
+  submission itself were made. In most situations, following the submission
+  process makes the process more seamless for the contributor. So, you could
+  say something like
+
+> Hi XXX. Welcome to the community and thank you for the patch
+>
+> I noticed that the submission you made seems to not follow our process.
+> Are you aware of this document at YYY? If you follow the instructions the
+> entire code submission process and dealing with review comments becomes
+> much easier. Feel free to find me on IRC if you need specific help. My IRC
+> handle is ZZZ
+
+### Reviewers: Take account of previous reviewer(s) comments
+
+Sometimes multiple reviewers share reviewing a series. For example,
+reviewer John has reviewed the first 5 iterations of the series. The patch
+author has addressed all of John's comments and Susan comes in and picks up
+the series after iteration 5. In such cases it is possible that John and Susan
+have different styles, such as
+* different preferences on the code layout
+* different preferences on code style
+
+If Susan were to be strict on her own style and highlight her style
+preferences in subsequent reviews, this would cause additional re-work for the
+code author. In addition, it also causes extra work for Susan. The easiest way
+to avoid such situations, would be for Susan to focus on faulty code only and
+to disregard personal preferences when taking over the review of a series.
+
+### Reviewers: Review the code, then review the review
+
+As stated earlier it is often difficult to mentally separate finding issues
+from articulating code review comments in a constructive and positive manner.
+Even as an experienced code reviewer you can be in a bad mood, which can
+ impact your communication style.
+
+A good trick to avoid this, is to start and complete the code review and then
+**not send it immediately**. You can then have a final go over the code review
+at some later point in time and review your comments from the other author's
+point of view. This minimizes the risk of being misunderstood. The same
+applies when replying to a code review: draft your reply and give it a final
+scan before pressing the send button.
+
+Generally, it is a good idea for code reviewers to do this regularly, purely
+from the viewpoint of self-improvement and self-awareness.
+
+## Common Communication Pitfalls
+
+This section contains common communication issues and provides suggestions on
+how to avoid them and resolve them. These are **general** issues which affect
+**all** online communication. As such, we can only try and do our best.
+
+### Misunderstandings
+
+When you meet face to face, you can read a person’s emotions. Even with a
+phone call, someone’s tone of voice can convey a lot of information. Using
+on-line communication channels you are flying blind, which often leads to
+misunderstandings. [Research][5] shows that in up to 50% of email
+conversations, the tone of voice is misinterpreted.
+
+In code reviews and technical discussions in general we tend to see two things
+* The reviewer or author interprets an exchange as too critical, passive
+  aggressive, or other: this usually comes down to different cultures and
+  communication styles, which are covered in the next section
+* There is an actual misunderstanding of a subject under discussion
+
+In the latter case, the key to resolution is to **identify the
+misunderstanding** as quickly as possible and call it out and de-escalate
+rather than let the misunderstanding linger. This is inherently difficult and
+requires more care than normal communication. Typically you would start with
+* Showing appreciation
+* Highlighting the potential misunderstanding and verifying whether the other
+  person also feels that maybe there was a misunderstanding
+* Proposing a way forward: for example, it may make sense to move the
+  conversation from the mailing list to [IRC][6] either in private or public,
+  a community call or a private phone/video call.
+
+It is entirely acceptable to do this in a direct reply to your communication
+partner, rather than on a public e-mail list on or an otherwise public forum.
+
+A good approach is to use something like the following:
+> Hi XXX! Thank you for the insights you have given me in this code review
+> I feel that we are misunderstanding each other on the topic of YYY
+> Would you mind trying to resolve this on IRC. I am available at ZZZ
+
+Usually, technical misunderstandings come down two either
+1. Misinterpreting what the other person meant
+2. Different - usually unstated - assumptions on how something works or what
+   is to be achieved
+3. Different - usually unstated - objectives and goals, which may be
+   conflicting
+4. Real differences in opinion
+
+The goal of calling out a possible misunderstanding is to establish what
+caused the misunderstanding, such that all parties can move forward.
+Typically, 1 and 2 are easily resolved and will lead back to a constructive
+discussion. Whereas 3 and 4 may highlight an inherent disagreement, which may
+need to be resolved through techniques as
+outlined in [Resolving Disagreement][7].
+
+### Cultural differences and different communication styles
+
+The Xen Project is a global community with contributors from many different
+backgrounds. Typically, when we communicate with a person we know, we factor
+in past interactions. The less we know a person, the more we rely on cultural
+norms.
+
+However, different norms and value systems come into play when people from
+diverse cultural backgrounds interact. That can lead to misunderstandings,
+especially in sensitive situations such as conflict resolution, giving and
+receiving feedback, and consensus building.
+
+For example, giving direct feedback such as
+> [Please] replace XXX with YYY, as XXX does not do ZZZ
+
+is acceptable and normal in some cultures, whereas in cultures which value
+indirect feedback it would be considered rude. In the latter case, something
+like the following would be used
+> This looks very good to me, but I believe you should use YYY here,
+> because XXX would....
+
+The key to working and communicating well with people from different cultural
+backgrounds is **self-awareness**, which can then be used to either
+* Adapt your own communication style depending on who you talk to
+* Or to find a middle-ground that covers most bases
+
+A number of different theories in the field of working effectively are
+currently popular, with the most well-known one being
+[Erin Meyer's Culture Map][8]. A short overview can be found [here][9]
+(33 slides).
+
+### Code reviews and discussions are not competitions
+
+Code reviews on our mailing lists are not competitions on who can come up with
+the smartest solution or who is the real coding genius.
+
+In a code review - as well as in general - we expect that all stake-holders
+* Gracefully accept constructive criticism
+* Focus on what is best for the community
+* Resolve differences in opinion effectively
+
+The next section provides pointers on how to do this effectively.
+
+### Resolving Disagreement Effectively
+
+Common scenarios are covered our guide on [Resolving Disagreement][7], which
+lays out situations that can lead to dead-lock and shows common patterns on
+how to avoid and resolve issues.
+
+[1]: https://youtu.be/ehZvBmrLRwg?t=834
+[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_binding
+[3]: https://xenproject.org/developers/governance/#expressingopinion
+[4]: resolving-disagreement.md#problems
+[5]: https://www.wired.com/2006/02/the-secret-cause-of-flame-wars/
+[6]: https://xenproject.org/help/irc/
+[7]: resolving-disagreement.md
+[8]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Meyer
+[9]: https://www.nsf.gov/attachments/134059/public/15LFW_WorkingWithMulticulturalTeams_LarsonC.pdf
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