From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Sun Nov 03 22:40:37 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 22:40:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vd6LQ-0000pE-V9; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 22:40:32 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vd6LQ-0000p9-Kj for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 22:40:32 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68:48058] by server-5.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 63/7C-25946-FD0D6725; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 22:40:31 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Nate.Studer@dornerworks.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1383518430!1345849!1 X-Originating-IP: [12.207.209.148] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests= X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.12; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 26663 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2013 22:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.dornerworks.com) (12.207.209.148) by server-15.tower-31.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2013 22:40:31 -0000 Received: from [172.27.11.24] (172.27.11.24) by Quimby.dw.local (172.27.1.90) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.247.3; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:37:56 -0500 Message-ID: <5276D079.2080308@dornerworks.com> Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:38:49 -0500 From: Nate Studer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: , Ian Campbell X-Originating-IP: [172.27.11.24] Subject: [XenARM] Moribund or just plain dead X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Ian, In each of these threads, you give a pretty bleak diagnosis of xen-arm. Since the last post from the authors was a couple years ago and it seems that the only posts on this list anymore are accidental ones, at what point is xen-arm just dead? http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-arm/2013-10/msg00013.html http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-arm/2013-09/msg00007.html http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-arm/2013-03/msg00006.html -- Nathan Studer DornerWorks, Ltd. Embedded Systems Engineering _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Sun Nov 03 22:40:37 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 22:40:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vd6LQ-0000pE-V9; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 22:40:32 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vd6LQ-0000p9-Kj for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 22:40:32 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68:48058] by server-5.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 63/7C-25946-FD0D6725; Sun, 03 Nov 2013 22:40:31 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Nate.Studer@dornerworks.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1383518430!1345849!1 X-Originating-IP: [12.207.209.148] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests= X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.12; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 26663 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2013 22:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.dornerworks.com) (12.207.209.148) by server-15.tower-31.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2013 22:40:31 -0000 Received: from [172.27.11.24] (172.27.11.24) by Quimby.dw.local (172.27.1.90) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.247.3; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:37:56 -0500 Message-ID: <5276D079.2080308@dornerworks.com> Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:38:49 -0500 From: Nate Studer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: , Ian Campbell X-Originating-IP: [172.27.11.24] Subject: [XenARM] Moribund or just plain dead X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Ian, In each of these threads, you give a pretty bleak diagnosis of xen-arm. Since the last post from the authors was a couple years ago and it seems that the only posts on this list anymore are accidental ones, at what point is xen-arm just dead? http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-arm/2013-10/msg00013.html http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-arm/2013-09/msg00007.html http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-arm/2013-03/msg00006.html -- Nathan Studer DornerWorks, Ltd. Embedded Systems Engineering _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Mon Nov 04 10:07:28 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:07:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdH47-00033x-PP; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:07:23 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdH46-00033q-2z for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:07:22 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68:40835] by server-2.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id C3/46-29572-9D177725; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:07:21 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1383559638!1414495!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.212.41] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.4 required=7.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, ML_RADAR_SPEW_LINKS_14,RCVD_BY_IP,spamassassin: X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.12; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 12078 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2013 10:07:19 -0000 Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (HELO mail-vb0-f41.google.com) (209.85.212.41) by server-3.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Nov 2013 10:07:19 -0000 Received: by mail-vb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id w8so1234272vbj.14 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 02:07:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Hx5Yfoscr80TnsaRyLpMFRx2/mPvxvc5IgxbK4jU8Xs=; b=HWj35mMQBExJYQL0YqDp1WI/eOcqe5f9Ou6GX1e+NRy4sgM3gkMmYADYxEc8DQXL6m AR+aOY5e360yf56zBM6cuO08KTn9Iq6k4xGASDXnGaPXnovUxVYLedi69WWAp8HNgiNo 0nWjxBsUf+bYRx+InuK/Qz267Yd4SE71wsokqPA3oAH0mXr/qobI1idCNV520XDXDU7y i2V9/JaHdtCionwd0FJro3uyyd5sapopNksjr+Gz/LMDn74wZavUWYUwSDDQ2jpKHZYZ tY+iPErnn3ZCCQHeV9jicNimok5qASEc2A3bYRcTs4OIi9auGTwyTP4MUgZOXLRge3FN hiVg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.221.51.5 with SMTP id vg5mr15221vcb.40.1383559638298; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 02:07:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.82.137 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 02:07:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5276D079.2080308@dornerworks.com> References: <5276D079.2080308@dornerworks.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 10:07:18 +0000 Message-ID: From: Lars Kurth To: Nate Studer Cc: "xen-arm@lists.xen.org" Subject: Re: [XenARM] Moribund or just plain dead X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7419436459869978992==" Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org --===============7419436459869978992== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11335afcc43ba104ea571424 --001a11335afcc43ba104ea571424 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nate, we should archive this list. All xen arm related discussion is now happening on xen-devel (as ARM support is in mainline) and the xen arm list is really just confusing. I will also have to clean up the portal pages on xenproject.org. I suppose we could make the argument that the Xen ARM PV port is completed on the grounds that support is now in Xen 4.3 (and newer). At the Xen Project developer summit 2 weeks ago, even Samsung said that they plan to move to mainline Xen on ARM. With more and more companies being interested in Xen on ARM, the old list is plain confusing. I think it is necessary though to go through the steps listed in the process to properly archive the project, but I think we can archive the xen-arm list (i.e. remove it from the index, maybe close it to new posts) and de-emphasize Xen ARM PV on the xenproject.org pages Thoughts? Regards Lars On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Nate Studer wrote: > Ian, > > In each of these threads, you give a pretty bleak diagnosis of xen-arm. > Since > the last post from the authors was a couple years ago and it seems that > the only > posts on this list anymore are accidental ones, at what point is xen-arm > just dead? > > > http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-arm/2013-10/msg00013.html > > http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-arm/2013-09/msg00007.html > > http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-arm/2013-03/msg00006.html > > > -- > Nathan Studer > DornerWorks, Ltd. > Embedded Systems Engineering > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-arm mailing list > Xen-arm@lists.xen.org > http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm > --001a11335afcc43ba104ea571424 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nate,

we should archive this list. All = xen arm related discussion is now happening on xen-devel (as ARM support is= in mainline) and the xen arm list is really just confusing. I will also ha= ve to clean up the portal pages on xenpro= ject.org.=A0

I suppose we could make the argument that the Xen ARM P= V port is completed on the grounds that support is now in Xen 4.3 (and newe= r). At the Xen Project developer summit 2 weeks ago, even Samsung said that= they plan to move to mainline Xen on ARM.=A0

With more and more companies being interested in Xen on= ARM, the old list is plain confusing. I think it is necessary though to go= through the steps listed in the process to properly archive the project, b= ut I think we can archive the xen-arm list (i.e. remove it from the index, = maybe close it to new posts) and de-emphasize Xen ARM PV on the xenproject.org pages

Thoughts?

Regards
La= rs



On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Nate Studer <n= ate.studer@dornerworks.com> wrote:
Ian,

In each of these threads, you give a pretty bleak diagnosis of xen-arm. =A0= Since
the last post from the authors was a couple years ago and it seems that the= only
posts on this list anymore are accidental ones, at what point is xen-arm ju= st dead?


http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-ar= m/2013-10/msg00013.html

http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-ar= m/2013-09/msg00007.html

http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-ar= m/2013-03/msg00006.html


--
Nathan Studer
DornerWorks, Ltd.
Embedded Systems Engineering

_______________________________________________
Xen-arm mailing list
Xen-arm@lists.xen.org
http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm

--001a11335afcc43ba104ea571424-- --===============7419436459869978992== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm --===============7419436459869978992==-- From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Mon Nov 04 10:07:28 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:07:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdH47-00033x-PP; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:07:23 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdH46-00033q-2z for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:07:22 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68:40835] by server-2.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id C3/46-29572-9D177725; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:07:21 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1383559638!1414495!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.212.41] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.4 required=7.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, ML_RADAR_SPEW_LINKS_14,RCVD_BY_IP,spamassassin: X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.12; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 12078 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2013 10:07:19 -0000 Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (HELO mail-vb0-f41.google.com) (209.85.212.41) by server-3.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Nov 2013 10:07:19 -0000 Received: by mail-vb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id w8so1234272vbj.14 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 02:07:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Hx5Yfoscr80TnsaRyLpMFRx2/mPvxvc5IgxbK4jU8Xs=; b=HWj35mMQBExJYQL0YqDp1WI/eOcqe5f9Ou6GX1e+NRy4sgM3gkMmYADYxEc8DQXL6m AR+aOY5e360yf56zBM6cuO08KTn9Iq6k4xGASDXnGaPXnovUxVYLedi69WWAp8HNgiNo 0nWjxBsUf+bYRx+InuK/Qz267Yd4SE71wsokqPA3oAH0mXr/qobI1idCNV520XDXDU7y i2V9/JaHdtCionwd0FJro3uyyd5sapopNksjr+Gz/LMDn74wZavUWYUwSDDQ2jpKHZYZ tY+iPErnn3ZCCQHeV9jicNimok5qASEc2A3bYRcTs4OIi9auGTwyTP4MUgZOXLRge3FN hiVg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.221.51.5 with SMTP id vg5mr15221vcb.40.1383559638298; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 02:07:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.82.137 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 02:07:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5276D079.2080308@dornerworks.com> References: <5276D079.2080308@dornerworks.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 10:07:18 +0000 Message-ID: From: Lars Kurth To: Nate Studer Cc: "xen-arm@lists.xen.org" Subject: Re: [XenARM] Moribund or just plain dead X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7419436459869978992==" Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org --===============7419436459869978992== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11335afcc43ba104ea571424 --001a11335afcc43ba104ea571424 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nate, we should archive this list. All xen arm related discussion is now happening on xen-devel (as ARM support is in mainline) and the xen arm list is really just confusing. I will also have to clean up the portal pages on xenproject.org. I suppose we could make the argument that the Xen ARM PV port is completed on the grounds that support is now in Xen 4.3 (and newer). At the Xen Project developer summit 2 weeks ago, even Samsung said that they plan to move to mainline Xen on ARM. With more and more companies being interested in Xen on ARM, the old list is plain confusing. I think it is necessary though to go through the steps listed in the process to properly archive the project, but I think we can archive the xen-arm list (i.e. remove it from the index, maybe close it to new posts) and de-emphasize Xen ARM PV on the xenproject.org pages Thoughts? Regards Lars On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Nate Studer wrote: > Ian, > > In each of these threads, you give a pretty bleak diagnosis of xen-arm. > Since > the last post from the authors was a couple years ago and it seems that > the only > posts on this list anymore are accidental ones, at what point is xen-arm > just dead? > > > http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-arm/2013-10/msg00013.html > > http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-arm/2013-09/msg00007.html > > http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-arm/2013-03/msg00006.html > > > -- > Nathan Studer > DornerWorks, Ltd. > Embedded Systems Engineering > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-arm mailing list > Xen-arm@lists.xen.org > http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm > --001a11335afcc43ba104ea571424 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nate,

we should archive this list. All = xen arm related discussion is now happening on xen-devel (as ARM support is= in mainline) and the xen arm list is really just confusing. I will also ha= ve to clean up the portal pages on xenpro= ject.org.=A0

I suppose we could make the argument that the Xen ARM P= V port is completed on the grounds that support is now in Xen 4.3 (and newe= r). At the Xen Project developer summit 2 weeks ago, even Samsung said that= they plan to move to mainline Xen on ARM.=A0

With more and more companies being interested in Xen on= ARM, the old list is plain confusing. I think it is necessary though to go= through the steps listed in the process to properly archive the project, b= ut I think we can archive the xen-arm list (i.e. remove it from the index, = maybe close it to new posts) and de-emphasize Xen ARM PV on the xenproject.org pages

Thoughts?

Regards
La= rs



On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Nate Studer <n= ate.studer@dornerworks.com> wrote:
Ian,

In each of these threads, you give a pretty bleak diagnosis of xen-arm. =A0= Since
the last post from the authors was a couple years ago and it seems that the= only
posts on this list anymore are accidental ones, at what point is xen-arm ju= st dead?


http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-ar= m/2013-10/msg00013.html

http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-ar= m/2013-09/msg00007.html

http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-ar= m/2013-03/msg00006.html


--
Nathan Studer
DornerWorks, Ltd.
Embedded Systems Engineering

_______________________________________________
Xen-arm mailing list
Xen-arm@lists.xen.org
http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm

--001a11335afcc43ba104ea571424-- --===============7419436459869978992== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm --===============7419436459869978992==-- From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Mon Nov 04 10:14:44 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:14:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdHBB-00039z-DT; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:14:41 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdHB9-00039u-9c for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:14:39 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147:18713] by server-9.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 13/E4-08751-E8377725; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:14:38 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Ian.Campbell@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1383560076!475284!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.63] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni42MyA9PiAzMDYwNDg=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 13510 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2013 10:14:37 -0000 Received: from smtp02.citrix.com (HELO SMTP02.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.63) by server-4.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Nov 2013 10:14:37 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,631,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="67665770" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO02.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 04 Nov 2013 10:14:23 +0000 Received: from LONPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.30.203.101) by FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net (10.13.107.79) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 05:14:22 -0500 Received: from [10.80.2.80] (10.30.203.1) by LONPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.30.203.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.2.342.4; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 10:14:21 +0000 Message-ID: <1383560061.8826.13.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> From: Ian Campbell To: Lars Kurth Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 10:14:21 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: <5276D079.2080308@dornerworks.com> Organization: Citrix Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [10.30.203.1] X-DLP: MIA2 Cc: "xen-arm@lists.xen.org" Subject: Re: [XenARM] Moribund or just plain dead X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 10:07 +0000, Lars Kurth wrote: > Nate, > > > we should archive this list. All xen arm related discussion is now > happening on xen-devel (as ARM support is in mainline) and the xen arm > list is really just confusing. I will also have to clean up the portal > pages on xenproject.org. > > > I suppose we could make the argument that the Xen ARM PV port is > completed on the grounds that support is now in Xen 4.3 (and newer). > At the Xen Project developer summit 2 weeks ago, even Samsung said > that they plan to move to mainline Xen on ARM. > > > With more and more companies being interested in Xen on ARM, the old > list is plain confusing. I think it is necessary though to go through > the steps listed in the process to properly archive the project, but I > think we can archive the xen-arm list (i.e. remove it from the index, > maybe close it to new posts) and de-emphasize Xen ARM PV on the > xenproject.org pages > > > Thoughts? Archiving the list would solve the majority of the confusion IMHO, although it probably means we'll start getting the occasional question about PV Xen on ARM on xen-devel instead, that's a minor concern compared with positive of the number of hardware assisted Xen on ARM questions which would no longer be going to the wrong list... Ian. _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Mon Nov 04 10:14:44 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:14:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdHBB-00039z-DT; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:14:41 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdHB9-00039u-9c for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:14:39 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147:18713] by server-9.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 13/E4-08751-E8377725; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:14:38 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Ian.Campbell@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1383560076!475284!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.63] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni42MyA9PiAzMDYwNDg=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 13510 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2013 10:14:37 -0000 Received: from smtp02.citrix.com (HELO SMTP02.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.63) by server-4.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Nov 2013 10:14:37 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,631,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="67665770" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO02.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 04 Nov 2013 10:14:23 +0000 Received: from LONPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.30.203.101) by FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net (10.13.107.79) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 05:14:22 -0500 Received: from [10.80.2.80] (10.30.203.1) by LONPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.30.203.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.2.342.4; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 10:14:21 +0000 Message-ID: <1383560061.8826.13.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> From: Ian Campbell To: Lars Kurth Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 10:14:21 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: <5276D079.2080308@dornerworks.com> Organization: Citrix Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [10.30.203.1] X-DLP: MIA2 Cc: "xen-arm@lists.xen.org" Subject: Re: [XenARM] Moribund or just plain dead X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 10:07 +0000, Lars Kurth wrote: > Nate, > > > we should archive this list. All xen arm related discussion is now > happening on xen-devel (as ARM support is in mainline) and the xen arm > list is really just confusing. I will also have to clean up the portal > pages on xenproject.org. > > > I suppose we could make the argument that the Xen ARM PV port is > completed on the grounds that support is now in Xen 4.3 (and newer). > At the Xen Project developer summit 2 weeks ago, even Samsung said > that they plan to move to mainline Xen on ARM. > > > With more and more companies being interested in Xen on ARM, the old > list is plain confusing. I think it is necessary though to go through > the steps listed in the process to properly archive the project, but I > think we can archive the xen-arm list (i.e. remove it from the index, > maybe close it to new posts) and de-emphasize Xen ARM PV on the > xenproject.org pages > > > Thoughts? Archiving the list would solve the majority of the confusion IMHO, although it probably means we'll start getting the occasional question about PV Xen on ARM on xen-devel instead, that's a minor concern compared with positive of the number of hardware assisted Xen on ARM questions which would no longer be going to the wrong list... Ian. _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Mon Nov 04 10:23:26 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:23:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdHJa-0003Ol-P7; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:23:22 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdHJZ-0003Od-6x for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:23:21 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211:38859] by server-12.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id 8E/0D-15833-89577725; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:23:20 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1383560597!1402367!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.128.169] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.4 required=7.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, ML_RADAR_SPEW_LINKS_14,RCVD_BY_IP,spamassassin: X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.12; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 8433 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2013 10:23:19 -0000 Received: from mail-ve0-f169.google.com (HELO mail-ve0-f169.google.com) (209.85.128.169) by server-7.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Nov 2013 10:23:19 -0000 Received: by mail-ve0-f169.google.com with SMTP id c14so1322628vea.28 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 02:23:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=AbtOHNGs1MHbfmL7H12jD5QOh26M8A4sWtI+9jupK5Y=; b=lg3Jfkvp93GK1J1O//nHqTfgk7e+nTuY/wAKT12QTf+x9EZAaby+i9tZNOmGRA8MU3 OWHzhDvPGi41THVUkpiA/4vlf7bRnfe2JalhM3DZ8lnmaNXZYPBmLkS8drvyeoFjeCyb 4oQRV5l/jbUK6WYMJFxZQZjqQ1wYeVGAKj/L0vaFNs+fLEbnwO7A6W1sDiT2NWJF89Ks iOMXmZ6W/c5TUl+hrVsfWzszmZdEFPDBAJpqsJMCOYj7INh8dCPzgkwDIjWH6lna7XS/ wqhd/lf93CFI5jtvTvYCUpffBLFvVD0Thj+/8CwmFdTu0jztxrs2sU39tgJD9vFuNRUS MY+w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.196.66 with SMTP id ef2mr11136813vcb.7.1383560597629; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 02:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.82.137 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 02:23:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1383560061.8826.13.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> References: <5276D079.2080308@dornerworks.com> <1383560061.8826.13.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 10:23:17 +0000 Message-ID: From: Lars Kurth To: Ian Campbell Cc: "xen-arm@lists.xen.org" Subject: Re: [XenARM] Moribund or just plain dead X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7699383004779969860==" Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org --===============7699383004779969860== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1132e6e2f28b8f04ea574d2d --001a1132e6e2f28b8f04ea574d2d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK. In this case I will make a formal proposal to archive the list later this week and call a community vote. Archiving means: * taking the list out of http://www.xenproject.org/help/mailing-list.html * closing it to new posts (i.e. have an auto-reply referring users to xen-devel and xen-users) * making an announcement on the list to notify existing users Regards Lars On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Ian Campbell wrote: > On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 10:07 +0000, Lars Kurth wrote: > > Nate, > > > > > > we should archive this list. All xen arm related discussion is now > > happening on xen-devel (as ARM support is in mainline) and the xen arm > > list is really just confusing. I will also have to clean up the portal > > pages on xenproject.org. > > > > > > I suppose we could make the argument that the Xen ARM PV port is > > completed on the grounds that support is now in Xen 4.3 (and newer). > > At the Xen Project developer summit 2 weeks ago, even Samsung said > > that they plan to move to mainline Xen on ARM. > > > > > > With more and more companies being interested in Xen on ARM, the old > > list is plain confusing. I think it is necessary though to go through > > the steps listed in the process to properly archive the project, but I > > think we can archive the xen-arm list (i.e. remove it from the index, > > maybe close it to new posts) and de-emphasize Xen ARM PV on the > > xenproject.org pages > > > > > > Thoughts? > > Archiving the list would solve the majority of the confusion IMHO, > although it probably means we'll start getting the occasional question > about PV Xen on ARM on xen-devel instead, that's a minor concern > compared with positive of the number of hardware assisted Xen on ARM > questions which would no longer be going to the wrong list... > > Ian. > > > --001a1132e6e2f28b8f04ea574d2d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK. In this case I will make a formal proposal to archive = the list later this week and call a community vote.=A0

A= rchiving means:=A0
* closing it to new posts (i.e. have an auto-reply referring users to = xen-devel and xen-users)
* making an announcement on the list to = notify existing users

Regards
Lars


On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citri= x.com> wrote:
On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 10:0= 7 +0000, Lars Kurth wrote:
> Nate,
>
>
> we should archive this list. All xen arm related discussion is now
> happening on xen-devel (as ARM support is in mainline) and the xen arm=
> list is really just confusing. I will also have to clean up the portal=
> pages on xenprojec= t.org.
>
>
> I suppose we could make the argument that the Xen ARM PV port is
> completed on the grounds that support is now in Xen 4.3 (and newer). > At the Xen Project developer summit 2 weeks ago, even Samsung said
> that they plan to move to mainline Xen on ARM.
>
>
> With more and more companies being interested in Xen on ARM, the old > list is plain confusing. I think it is necessary though to go through<= br> > the steps listed in the process to properly archive the project, but I=
> think we can archive the xen-arm list (i.e. remove it from the index,<= br> > maybe close it to new posts) and de-emphasize Xen ARM PV on the
> xenproject.org= pages
>
>
> Thoughts?

Archiving the list would solve the majority of the confusion IMHO, although it probably means we'll start getting the occasional question<= br> about PV Xen on ARM on xen-devel instead, that's a minor concern
compared with positive of the number of hardware assisted Xen on ARM
questions which would no longer be going to the wrong list...

Ian.



--001a1132e6e2f28b8f04ea574d2d-- --===============7699383004779969860== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm --===============7699383004779969860==-- From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Mon Nov 04 10:23:26 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:23:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdHJa-0003Ol-P7; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:23:22 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdHJZ-0003Od-6x for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:23:21 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211:38859] by server-12.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id 8E/0D-15833-89577725; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:23:20 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1383560597!1402367!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.128.169] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.4 required=7.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, ML_RADAR_SPEW_LINKS_14,RCVD_BY_IP,spamassassin: X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.12; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 8433 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2013 10:23:19 -0000 Received: from mail-ve0-f169.google.com (HELO mail-ve0-f169.google.com) (209.85.128.169) by server-7.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Nov 2013 10:23:19 -0000 Received: by mail-ve0-f169.google.com with SMTP id c14so1322628vea.28 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 02:23:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=AbtOHNGs1MHbfmL7H12jD5QOh26M8A4sWtI+9jupK5Y=; b=lg3Jfkvp93GK1J1O//nHqTfgk7e+nTuY/wAKT12QTf+x9EZAaby+i9tZNOmGRA8MU3 OWHzhDvPGi41THVUkpiA/4vlf7bRnfe2JalhM3DZ8lnmaNXZYPBmLkS8drvyeoFjeCyb 4oQRV5l/jbUK6WYMJFxZQZjqQ1wYeVGAKj/L0vaFNs+fLEbnwO7A6W1sDiT2NWJF89Ks iOMXmZ6W/c5TUl+hrVsfWzszmZdEFPDBAJpqsJMCOYj7INh8dCPzgkwDIjWH6lna7XS/ wqhd/lf93CFI5jtvTvYCUpffBLFvVD0Thj+/8CwmFdTu0jztxrs2sU39tgJD9vFuNRUS MY+w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.196.66 with SMTP id ef2mr11136813vcb.7.1383560597629; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 02:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.82.137 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 02:23:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1383560061.8826.13.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> References: <5276D079.2080308@dornerworks.com> <1383560061.8826.13.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 10:23:17 +0000 Message-ID: From: Lars Kurth To: Ian Campbell Cc: "xen-arm@lists.xen.org" Subject: Re: [XenARM] Moribund or just plain dead X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7699383004779969860==" Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org --===============7699383004779969860== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1132e6e2f28b8f04ea574d2d --001a1132e6e2f28b8f04ea574d2d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK. In this case I will make a formal proposal to archive the list later this week and call a community vote. Archiving means: * taking the list out of http://www.xenproject.org/help/mailing-list.html * closing it to new posts (i.e. have an auto-reply referring users to xen-devel and xen-users) * making an announcement on the list to notify existing users Regards Lars On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Ian Campbell wrote: > On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 10:07 +0000, Lars Kurth wrote: > > Nate, > > > > > > we should archive this list. All xen arm related discussion is now > > happening on xen-devel (as ARM support is in mainline) and the xen arm > > list is really just confusing. I will also have to clean up the portal > > pages on xenproject.org. > > > > > > I suppose we could make the argument that the Xen ARM PV port is > > completed on the grounds that support is now in Xen 4.3 (and newer). > > At the Xen Project developer summit 2 weeks ago, even Samsung said > > that they plan to move to mainline Xen on ARM. > > > > > > With more and more companies being interested in Xen on ARM, the old > > list is plain confusing. I think it is necessary though to go through > > the steps listed in the process to properly archive the project, but I > > think we can archive the xen-arm list (i.e. remove it from the index, > > maybe close it to new posts) and de-emphasize Xen ARM PV on the > > xenproject.org pages > > > > > > Thoughts? > > Archiving the list would solve the majority of the confusion IMHO, > although it probably means we'll start getting the occasional question > about PV Xen on ARM on xen-devel instead, that's a minor concern > compared with positive of the number of hardware assisted Xen on ARM > questions which would no longer be going to the wrong list... > > Ian. > > > --001a1132e6e2f28b8f04ea574d2d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK. In this case I will make a formal proposal to archive = the list later this week and call a community vote.=A0

A= rchiving means:=A0
* closing it to new posts (i.e. have an auto-reply referring users to = xen-devel and xen-users)
* making an announcement on the list to = notify existing users

Regards
Lars


On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citri= x.com> wrote:
On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 10:0= 7 +0000, Lars Kurth wrote:
> Nate,
>
>
> we should archive this list. All xen arm related discussion is now
> happening on xen-devel (as ARM support is in mainline) and the xen arm=
> list is really just confusing. I will also have to clean up the portal=
> pages on xenprojec= t.org.
>
>
> I suppose we could make the argument that the Xen ARM PV port is
> completed on the grounds that support is now in Xen 4.3 (and newer). > At the Xen Project developer summit 2 weeks ago, even Samsung said
> that they plan to move to mainline Xen on ARM.
>
>
> With more and more companies being interested in Xen on ARM, the old > list is plain confusing. I think it is necessary though to go through<= br> > the steps listed in the process to properly archive the project, but I=
> think we can archive the xen-arm list (i.e. remove it from the index,<= br> > maybe close it to new posts) and de-emphasize Xen ARM PV on the
> xenproject.org= pages
>
>
> Thoughts?

Archiving the list would solve the majority of the confusion IMHO, although it probably means we'll start getting the occasional question<= br> about PV Xen on ARM on xen-devel instead, that's a minor concern
compared with positive of the number of hardware assisted Xen on ARM
questions which would no longer be going to the wrong list...

Ian.



--001a1132e6e2f28b8f04ea574d2d-- --===============7699383004779969860== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm --===============7699383004779969860==-- From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Mon Nov 04 16:05:44 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:05:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdMeq-0005M1-L9; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:05:40 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdMep-0005Ls-Eu; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:05:39 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211:54554] by server-10.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id A0/57-28640-2D5C7725; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:05:38 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1383581137!1491007!1 X-Originating-IP: [74.125.82.169] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.2 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.12; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 23341 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2013 16:05:37 -0000 Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (HELO mail-we0-f169.google.com) (74.125.82.169) by server-3.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Nov 2013 16:05:37 -0000 Received: by mail-we0-f169.google.com with SMTP id q58so2294163wes.14 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 08:05:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JLkfiWpBXyjPjWRLRwwuzX99S6MQQ2Uz0ETtmy6ZpiY=; b=Z62FZQxY8S0BNRwV64I4qcsIna7f1xKHBqPzzvWJfpgenZZdRvsguEwU414bjvgvHW g3orDnhwDfNdDMLO5dMMSrM8v3vwzT5gF4cH5DWy7vYCS3qOkz3Tw9FNPgMxwdhSZhLk c6353X/ROWSBW21JlyyOEsIQ/CsttH0dPR16MwYilevV4CPzOSUQ2bovYlWbhhsBRuUH Tzzw/j8PtWHMbwwiyD/Tpby6zg0geSWbTqUJal/k13oX9oqgxmo5khkm7GuOnsmkpAaX HZzYrpCf+pwLqqIXuXtqTElVc5bS14ps1ruU92ufWSKOkgP+su9T/CRhTgBOsnzESytS T6uQ== X-Received: by 10.180.211.237 with SMTP id nf13mr12929477wic.55.1383581137386; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 08:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.25.10] ([2.122.219.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fr4sm5253124wib.0.2013.11.04.08.05.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Nov 2013 08:05:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5277C5CE.8050500@xen.org> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:05:34 +0000 From: Lars Kurth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "xen-devel@lists.xen.org" , "xen-arm@lists.xen.org" Subject: [XenARM] Proposal to archive xen-arm@lists.xenproject.org [vote open until Nov 11] X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: lars.kurth@xen.org List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Hi all, the existance of the xen-arm list is causing quite a bit of confusion, in particular amongst new users and developers of Xen on ARM. With Xen ARM support being in and Xen ARM PV having increasingly less activity, my proposal would be to archive the xen-arm list and redirect to xen-devel and xen-users as appropriate. In other words: we would * Remove the list from http://www.xenproject.org/help/mailing-list.html (there should be an archive page which I will create) * Remove references to the list from wiki and other web real-estate on xenproject.org * Make an announcement on xen-arm to announce closure * Close the list to new posts * Set the list up such that an mail sent to xen-arm causes an auto-response asking people to post on either xen-devel or xen-users (using the ARM or ARMPV tag in the subject line) Those in favour of a vote: Vote open till next Monday, the 11th. * Please reply with "+1" * Those against please reply with "-1" and state a reason As this affects two projects (Hypervisor and Xen on ARM), I would argue that this is a local vote and that maintainers of the Xen Hypervisor and Xen on ARM can vote as per http://www.xenproject.org/governance.html (formal votes). Best Regards Lars _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Mon Nov 04 16:05:44 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:05:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdMeq-0005M1-L9; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:05:40 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdMep-0005Ls-Eu; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:05:39 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211:54554] by server-10.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id A0/57-28640-2D5C7725; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:05:38 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1383581137!1491007!1 X-Originating-IP: [74.125.82.169] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.2 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.12; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 23341 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2013 16:05:37 -0000 Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (HELO mail-we0-f169.google.com) (74.125.82.169) by server-3.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Nov 2013 16:05:37 -0000 Received: by mail-we0-f169.google.com with SMTP id q58so2294163wes.14 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 08:05:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JLkfiWpBXyjPjWRLRwwuzX99S6MQQ2Uz0ETtmy6ZpiY=; b=Z62FZQxY8S0BNRwV64I4qcsIna7f1xKHBqPzzvWJfpgenZZdRvsguEwU414bjvgvHW g3orDnhwDfNdDMLO5dMMSrM8v3vwzT5gF4cH5DWy7vYCS3qOkz3Tw9FNPgMxwdhSZhLk c6353X/ROWSBW21JlyyOEsIQ/CsttH0dPR16MwYilevV4CPzOSUQ2bovYlWbhhsBRuUH Tzzw/j8PtWHMbwwiyD/Tpby6zg0geSWbTqUJal/k13oX9oqgxmo5khkm7GuOnsmkpAaX HZzYrpCf+pwLqqIXuXtqTElVc5bS14ps1ruU92ufWSKOkgP+su9T/CRhTgBOsnzESytS T6uQ== X-Received: by 10.180.211.237 with SMTP id nf13mr12929477wic.55.1383581137386; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 08:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.25.10] ([2.122.219.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fr4sm5253124wib.0.2013.11.04.08.05.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Nov 2013 08:05:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5277C5CE.8050500@xen.org> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:05:34 +0000 From: Lars Kurth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "xen-devel@lists.xen.org" , "xen-arm@lists.xen.org" Subject: [XenARM] Proposal to archive xen-arm@lists.xenproject.org [vote open until Nov 11] X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: lars.kurth@xen.org List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Hi all, the existance of the xen-arm list is causing quite a bit of confusion, in particular amongst new users and developers of Xen on ARM. With Xen ARM support being in and Xen ARM PV having increasingly less activity, my proposal would be to archive the xen-arm list and redirect to xen-devel and xen-users as appropriate. In other words: we would * Remove the list from http://www.xenproject.org/help/mailing-list.html (there should be an archive page which I will create) * Remove references to the list from wiki and other web real-estate on xenproject.org * Make an announcement on xen-arm to announce closure * Close the list to new posts * Set the list up such that an mail sent to xen-arm causes an auto-response asking people to post on either xen-devel or xen-users (using the ARM or ARMPV tag in the subject line) Those in favour of a vote: Vote open till next Monday, the 11th. * Please reply with "+1" * Those against please reply with "-1" and state a reason As this affects two projects (Hypervisor and Xen on ARM), I would argue that this is a local vote and that maintainers of the Xen Hypervisor and Xen on ARM can vote as per http://www.xenproject.org/governance.html (formal votes). Best Regards Lars _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Mon Nov 04 16:21:13 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:21:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdMtq-0006Q9-BZ; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:21:10 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdMto-0006PQ-MV; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:21:08 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147:64614] by server-5.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 1C/59-13525-379C7725; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:21:07 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Ian.Campbell@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1383582065!566567!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 15693 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2013 16:21:07 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-13.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Nov 2013 16:21:07 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,633,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="70361770" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL03.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO01.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 04 Nov 2013 16:21:05 +0000 Received: from LONPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.30.203.101) by FTLPEX01CL03.citrite.net (10.13.107.80) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 11:21:04 -0500 Received: from [10.80.2.80] (10.30.203.1) by LONPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.30.203.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.2.342.4; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 16:21:03 +0000 Message-ID: <1383582063.8826.112.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> From: Ian Campbell To: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 16:21:03 +0000 In-Reply-To: <5277C5CE.8050500@xen.org> References: <5277C5CE.8050500@xen.org> Organization: Citrix Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [10.30.203.1] X-DLP: MIA2 Cc: "xen-arm@lists.xen.org" , "xen-devel@lists.xen.org" Subject: Re: [XenARM] [Xen-devel] Proposal to archive xen-arm@lists.xenproject.org [vote open until Nov 11] X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 16:05 +0000, Lars Kurth wrote: > Those in favour of a vote: Vote open till next Monday, the 11th. > * Please reply with "+1" +1 Ian. _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Mon Nov 04 16:21:13 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:21:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdMtq-0006Q9-BZ; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:21:10 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdMto-0006PQ-MV; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:21:08 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147:64614] by server-5.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 1C/59-13525-379C7725; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:21:07 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Ian.Campbell@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1383582065!566567!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 15693 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2013 16:21:07 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-13.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Nov 2013 16:21:07 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,633,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="70361770" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL03.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO01.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 04 Nov 2013 16:21:05 +0000 Received: from LONPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.30.203.101) by FTLPEX01CL03.citrite.net (10.13.107.80) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 11:21:04 -0500 Received: from [10.80.2.80] (10.30.203.1) by LONPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.30.203.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.2.342.4; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 16:21:03 +0000 Message-ID: <1383582063.8826.112.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> From: Ian Campbell To: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 16:21:03 +0000 In-Reply-To: <5277C5CE.8050500@xen.org> References: <5277C5CE.8050500@xen.org> Organization: Citrix Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [10.30.203.1] X-DLP: MIA2 Cc: "xen-arm@lists.xen.org" , "xen-devel@lists.xen.org" Subject: Re: [XenARM] [Xen-devel] Proposal to archive xen-arm@lists.xenproject.org [vote open until Nov 11] X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 16:05 +0000, Lars Kurth wrote: > Those in favour of a vote: Vote open till next Monday, the 11th. > * Please reply with "+1" +1 Ian. _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Mon Nov 04 18:18:39 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 18:18:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdOjU-0007pd-89; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 18:18:36 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta4.messagelabs.com ([85.158.143.247]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdOjS-0007pM-RL; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 18:18:34 +0000 Received: from [85.158.143.35:41678] by server-2.bemta-4.messagelabs.com id B6/5E-06473-AF4E7725; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 18:18:34 +0000 X-Env-Sender: tim@xen.org X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-21.messagelabs.com!1383589113!906775!1 X-Originating-IP: [5.39.92.215] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.2 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 4934 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2013 18:18:33 -0000 Received: from deinos.phlegethon.org (HELO mail.phlegethon.org) (5.39.92.215) by server-12.tower-21.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 4 Nov 2013 18:18:33 -0000 Received: from tjd by mail.phlegethon.org with local (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1VdOjR-000D0U-5a; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 18:18:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 19:18:33 +0100 From: Tim Deegan To: Lars Kurth Message-ID: <20131104181833.GD45309@deinos.phlegethon.org> References: <5277C5CE.8050500@xen.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5277C5CE.8050500@xen.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-SA-Known-Good: Yes X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tim@xen.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.phlegethon.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: "xen-arm@lists.xen.org" , "xen-devel@lists.xen.org" Subject: Re: [XenARM] Proposal to archive xen-arm@lists.xenproject.org [vote open until Nov 11] X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org At 16:05 +0000 on 04 Nov (1383577534), Lars Kurth wrote: > * Remove the list from http://www.xenproject.org/help/mailing-list.html > (there should be an archive page which I will create) > * Remove references to the list from wiki and other web real-estate on > xenproject.org > * Make an announcement on xen-arm to announce closure > * Close the list to new posts > * Set the list up such that an mail sent to xen-arm causes an > auto-response asking people to post on either xen-devel or xen-users > (using the ARM or ARMPV tag in the subject line) +1. _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Mon Nov 04 18:18:39 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 18:18:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdOjU-0007pd-89; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: "xen-arm@lists.xen.org" , "xen-devel@lists.xen.org" Subject: Re: [XenARM] Proposal to archive xen-arm@lists.xenproject.org [vote open until Nov 11] X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org At 16:05 +0000 on 04 Nov (1383577534), Lars Kurth wrote: > * Remove the list from http://www.xenproject.org/help/mailing-list.html > (there should be an archive page which I will create) > * Remove references to the list from wiki and other web real-estate on > xenproject.org > * Make an announcement on xen-arm to announce closure > * Close the list to new posts > * Set the list up such that an mail sent to xen-arm causes an > auto-response asking people to post on either xen-devel or xen-users > (using the ARM or ARMPV tag in the subject line) +1. _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Tue Nov 05 09:20:14 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:20:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdcny-0004Yo-Nu; 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Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:20:07 +0100 Received: from mrvn by frosties.localnet with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdcnv-0002dq-42 for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:20:07 +0100 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:20:07 +0100 From: Goswin von Brederlow To: xen-arm@lists.xen.org Message-ID: <20131105092006.GB9360@frosties> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:ic9ar/a78A7DHXohFNSH3PI7kjxsFh+F/g/+ejqxlsoYoFC4rjG iq2Pb5D85/l5kTa+TQr3PvMd+O+OsU+RpH1kyz6AGUChVsLfOZ4+/kMooA3llPHaz/hgkbW xmaLRdPRJ3alEnq9j8/6i+grURlCuxdtJWRbcBHwfYDBeVSXWLFhNbib081aze+BuKGcOdn 6A0PluWrP+7sZFKuVe0Aw== Subject: [XenARM] probably FAQ: latest xen PV api/abi specs X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Hi, this might be an FAQ but I'm looking for the documentation for the xen guest API/ABI exposed to domU kernels on arm. The wiki says it isn't yet set in stone and WIP but I hope someone is already working on documenting it. Any pointers? MfG Goswin _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Tue Nov 05 09:20:14 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:20:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdcny-0004Yo-Nu; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:20:10 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta4.messagelabs.com ([85.158.143.247]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdcnx-0004Yj-BS for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:20:09 +0000 Received: from [85.158.143.35:53315] by server-2.bemta-4.messagelabs.com id 53/0C-06473-848B8725; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:20:08 +0000 X-Env-Sender: goswin-v-b@web.de X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-21.messagelabs.com!1383643207!1023697!1 X-Originating-IP: [212.227.15.3] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: QmFkIElQOiAyMTIuMjI3LjE1LjMgPT4gMTUyNjI=\n,sa_preprocessor: QmFkIElQOiAyMTIuMjI3LjE1LjMgPT4gMTUyNjI=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 15661 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2013 09:20:08 -0000 Received: from mout.web.de (HELO mout.web.de) (212.227.15.3) by server-9.tower-21.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Nov 2013 09:20:08 -0000 Received: from frosties.localnet ([37.49.32.119]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LfAfQ-1VxE7T317Q-00orLJ for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:20:07 +0100 Received: from mrvn by frosties.localnet with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdcnv-0002dq-42 for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:20:07 +0100 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:20:07 +0100 From: Goswin von Brederlow To: xen-arm@lists.xen.org Message-ID: <20131105092006.GB9360@frosties> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:ic9ar/a78A7DHXohFNSH3PI7kjxsFh+F/g/+ejqxlsoYoFC4rjG iq2Pb5D85/l5kTa+TQr3PvMd+O+OsU+RpH1kyz6AGUChVsLfOZ4+/kMooA3llPHaz/hgkbW xmaLRdPRJ3alEnq9j8/6i+grURlCuxdtJWRbcBHwfYDBeVSXWLFhNbib081aze+BuKGcOdn 6A0PluWrP+7sZFKuVe0Aw== Subject: [XenARM] probably FAQ: latest xen PV api/abi specs X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Hi, this might be an FAQ but I'm looking for the documentation for the xen guest API/ABI exposed to domU kernels on arm. The wiki says it isn't yet set in stone and WIP but I hope someone is already working on documenting it. Any pointers? MfG Goswin _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Tue Nov 05 09:48:49 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VddFe-0005D0-Hm; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:46 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VddFc-0005Cq-Q8; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:45 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211:46314] by server-5.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id 8F/A7-13073-BFEB8725; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:43 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Ian.Campbell@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1383644921!50993!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 16395 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2013 09:48:43 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-6.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Nov 2013 09:48:43 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,638,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="70632409" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL01.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO01.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 05 Nov 2013 09:48:41 +0000 Received: from LONPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.30.203.101) by FTLPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.13.107.78) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 04:48:40 -0500 Received: from [10.80.2.80] (10.30.203.1) by LONPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.30.203.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.2.342.4; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:48:39 +0000 Message-ID: <1383644919.13961.19.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> From: Ian Campbell To: Goswin von Brederlow Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:48:39 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20131105092006.GB9360@frosties> References: <20131105092006.GB9360@frosties> Organization: Citrix Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [10.30.203.1] X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: xen-arm@lists.xen.org, xen-devel Subject: Re: [XenARM] probably FAQ: latest xen PV api/abi specs X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 10:20 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Hi, > > this might be an FAQ but I'm looking for the documentation for the xen > guest API/ABI exposed to domU kernels on arm. Which port are you asking about? http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_with_Virtualization_Extensions or http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_%28PV%29 ? I only know about the former and it sounds like this is the one you mean? Adding xen-devel which is the right venue for virt extensions questions, xen-arm@ is for the PV port. > The wiki says it isn't > yet set in stone and WIP but I hope someone is already working on > documenting it. Any pointers? For the hardware extensions port the interfaces are documented in xen.git (xen/include/public/) and exposed via http://xenbits.xen.org/docs/unstable/hypercall/arm/index.html I think it is mostly set in stone right now, although there is a pending issue with Linux netfront/back possibly using a broken ABI due to struct packing oddities. Other than that I don't expect there to be any further changes before 4.4 (where I hope we can declare it frozen). Ian. _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Tue Nov 05 09:48:49 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VddFe-0005D0-Hm; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:46 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VddFc-0005Cq-Q8; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:45 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211:46314] by server-5.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id 8F/A7-13073-BFEB8725; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:48:43 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Ian.Campbell@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1383644921!50993!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 16395 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2013 09:48:43 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-6.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Nov 2013 09:48:43 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,638,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="70632409" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL01.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO01.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 05 Nov 2013 09:48:41 +0000 Received: from LONPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.30.203.101) by FTLPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.13.107.78) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 04:48:40 -0500 Received: from [10.80.2.80] (10.30.203.1) by LONPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.30.203.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.2.342.4; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:48:39 +0000 Message-ID: <1383644919.13961.19.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> From: Ian Campbell To: Goswin von Brederlow Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:48:39 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20131105092006.GB9360@frosties> References: <20131105092006.GB9360@frosties> Organization: Citrix Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [10.30.203.1] X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: xen-arm@lists.xen.org, xen-devel Subject: Re: [XenARM] probably FAQ: latest xen PV api/abi specs X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 10:20 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Hi, > > this might be an FAQ but I'm looking for the documentation for the xen > guest API/ABI exposed to domU kernels on arm. Which port are you asking about? http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_with_Virtualization_Extensions or http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_%28PV%29 ? I only know about the former and it sounds like this is the one you mean? Adding xen-devel which is the right venue for virt extensions questions, xen-arm@ is for the PV port. > The wiki says it isn't > yet set in stone and WIP but I hope someone is already working on > documenting it. Any pointers? For the hardware extensions port the interfaces are documented in xen.git (xen/include/public/) and exposed via http://xenbits.xen.org/docs/unstable/hypercall/arm/index.html I think it is mostly set in stone right now, although there is a pending issue with Linux netfront/back possibly using a broken ABI due to struct packing oddities. Other than that I don't expect there to be any further changes before 4.4 (where I hope we can declare it frozen). Ian. _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Tue Nov 05 19:12:05 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:12:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdm2k-0003QS-3z; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:12:02 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta4.messagelabs.com ([85.158.143.247]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdm2h-0003QM-TU for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:12:00 +0000 Received: from [85.158.143.35:48905] by server-3.bemta-4.messagelabs.com id 0D/39-19578-FF249725; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:11:59 +0000 X-Env-Sender: goswin-v-b@web.de X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-21.messagelabs.com!1383678718!1181591!1 X-Originating-IP: [212.227.17.11] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: QmFkIElQOiAyMTIuMjI3LjE3LjExID0+IDE4NTg2\n,sa_preprocessor: QmFkIElQOiAyMTIuMjI3LjE3LjExID0+IDE4NTg2\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 8807 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2013 19:11:58 -0000 Received: from mout.web.de (HELO mout.web.de) (212.227.17.11) by server-16.tower-21.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Nov 2013 19:11:58 -0000 Received: from frosties.localnet ([37.49.32.119]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lpw2l-1WA6W110q7-00fgZW for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 20:11:58 +0100 Received: from mrvn by frosties.localnet with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdm2f-0004Oy-5C; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 20:11:57 +0100 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:11:57 +0100 From: Goswin von Brederlow To: Ian Campbell Message-ID: <20131105191157.GB16703@frosties> References: <20131105092006.GB9360@frosties> <1383644919.13961.19.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1383644919.13961.19.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:cSpaho0ha+itzrVGd6UL59sKf7FfV+V90zzlow892Q6nuFpgegS t+HQHw8NLZBdu/Ek6i/wkHmoSfLijASV3WWNFUdjo2aLk+PNt+z2iROrG/08tp3Z+jxwjh8 Snp7BY2zBjnCHS7+M5T4OzN3cuevh6JeMMvD2D7xyWeSqoxgR3IY3SiS6KXtKf77xN2Dxvb XYubEjj7mgFlbaug70jpQ== Cc: xen-arm@lists.xen.org, xen-devel Subject: Re: [XenARM] probably FAQ: latest xen PV api/abi specs X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 09:48:39AM +0000, Ian Campbell wrote: > On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 10:20 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Hi, > > > > this might be an FAQ but I'm looking for the documentation for the xen > > guest API/ABI exposed to domU kernels on arm. > > Which port are you asking about? > http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_with_Virtualization_Extensions or > http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_%28PV%29 ? I only know about the former > and it sounds like this is the one you mean? > > Adding xen-devel which is the right venue for virt extensions questions, > xen-arm@ is for the PV port. I'm interested in older arm cpus like the RaspberryPI, which doesn't have the virtualization extension. Therefore I'm interested in the PV port. Or would it be feasable and make more sense to emulate the HVC instruction in the undefined handler? Probably not given the extensive use of hardware facilities. MfG Goswin _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Tue Nov 05 19:12:05 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:12:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdm2k-0003QS-3z; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:12:02 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta4.messagelabs.com ([85.158.143.247]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdm2h-0003QM-TU for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:12:00 +0000 Received: from [85.158.143.35:48905] by server-3.bemta-4.messagelabs.com id 0D/39-19578-FF249725; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:11:59 +0000 X-Env-Sender: goswin-v-b@web.de X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-21.messagelabs.com!1383678718!1181591!1 X-Originating-IP: [212.227.17.11] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: QmFkIElQOiAyMTIuMjI3LjE3LjExID0+IDE4NTg2\n,sa_preprocessor: QmFkIElQOiAyMTIuMjI3LjE3LjExID0+IDE4NTg2\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 8807 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2013 19:11:58 -0000 Received: from mout.web.de (HELO mout.web.de) (212.227.17.11) by server-16.tower-21.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Nov 2013 19:11:58 -0000 Received: from frosties.localnet ([37.49.32.119]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lpw2l-1WA6W110q7-00fgZW for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 20:11:58 +0100 Received: from mrvn by frosties.localnet with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdm2f-0004Oy-5C; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 20:11:57 +0100 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:11:57 +0100 From: Goswin von Brederlow To: Ian Campbell Message-ID: <20131105191157.GB16703@frosties> References: <20131105092006.GB9360@frosties> <1383644919.13961.19.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1383644919.13961.19.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:cSpaho0ha+itzrVGd6UL59sKf7FfV+V90zzlow892Q6nuFpgegS t+HQHw8NLZBdu/Ek6i/wkHmoSfLijASV3WWNFUdjo2aLk+PNt+z2iROrG/08tp3Z+jxwjh8 Snp7BY2zBjnCHS7+M5T4OzN3cuevh6JeMMvD2D7xyWeSqoxgR3IY3SiS6KXtKf77xN2Dxvb XYubEjj7mgFlbaug70jpQ== Cc: xen-arm@lists.xen.org, xen-devel Subject: Re: [XenARM] probably FAQ: latest xen PV api/abi specs X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 09:48:39AM +0000, Ian Campbell wrote: > On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 10:20 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Hi, > > > > this might be an FAQ but I'm looking for the documentation for the xen > > guest API/ABI exposed to domU kernels on arm. > > Which port are you asking about? > http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_with_Virtualization_Extensions or > http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_%28PV%29 ? I only know about the former > and it sounds like this is the one you mean? > > Adding xen-devel which is the right venue for virt extensions questions, > xen-arm@ is for the PV port. I'm interested in older arm cpus like the RaspberryPI, which doesn't have the virtualization extension. Therefore I'm interested in the PV port. Or would it be feasable and make more sense to emulate the HVC instruction in the undefined handler? Probably not given the extensive use of hardware facilities. MfG Goswin _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Wed Nov 06 09:25:15 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:25:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdzMO-000284-1P; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:25:12 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdzMN-00027w-8b; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:25:11 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147:40350] by server-1.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id BC/5B-10312-6FA0A725; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:25:10 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Ian.Campbell@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1383729908!936695!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 18339 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2013 09:25:09 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-2.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Nov 2013 09:25:09 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,645,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="71071096" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL01.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO01.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 06 Nov 2013 09:24:42 +0000 Received: from LONPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.30.203.101) by FTLPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.13.107.78) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 04:24:41 -0500 Received: from [10.80.2.80] (10.30.203.1) by LONPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.30.203.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.2.342.4; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:24:40 +0000 Message-ID: <1383729880.26213.5.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> From: Ian Campbell To: Goswin von Brederlow Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:24:40 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20131105191157.GB16703@frosties> References: <20131105092006.GB9360@frosties> <1383644919.13961.19.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> <20131105191157.GB16703@frosties> Organization: Citrix Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [10.30.203.1] X-DLP: MIA2 Cc: xen-arm@lists.xen.org, xen-devel Subject: Re: [XenARM] probably FAQ: latest xen PV api/abi specs X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 20:11 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 09:48:39AM +0000, Ian Campbell wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 10:20 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > this might be an FAQ but I'm looking for the documentation for the xen > > > guest API/ABI exposed to domU kernels on arm. > > > > Which port are you asking about? > > http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_with_Virtualization_Extensions or > > http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_%28PV%29 ? I only know about the former > > and it sounds like this is the one you mean? > > > > Adding xen-devel which is the right venue for virt extensions questions, > > xen-arm@ is for the PV port. > > I'm interested in older arm cpus like the RaspberryPI, which doesn't > have the virtualization extension. Therefore I'm interested in the PV > port. OK. I think the statement you've seen regarding API/ABI stability all refer to the hardware based port. That said I know nothing about the stated (or otherwise) stability of the API/ABI of the PV port. Its developers have not been active for several years now. I'm afraid I think you'd be wasting your time pursuing it on the RPi. > Or would it be feasable and make more sense to emulate the HVC > instruction in the undefined handler? Probably not given the extensive > use of hardware facilities. I'm sure it could be done at a technical level, but it would effectively be an entirely new port... Ian. _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Wed Nov 06 09:25:15 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:25:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdzMO-000284-1P; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:25:12 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com ([193.109.254.103]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VdzMN-00027w-8b; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:25:11 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147:40350] by server-1.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id BC/5B-10312-6FA0A725; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:25:10 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Ian.Campbell@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1383729908!936695!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.89] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni44OSA9PiAyMDMwMDc=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 18339 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2013 09:25:09 -0000 Received: from smtp.citrix.com (HELO SMTP.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.89) by server-2.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Nov 2013 09:25:09 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,645,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="71071096" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL01.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO01.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 06 Nov 2013 09:24:42 +0000 Received: from LONPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.30.203.101) by FTLPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.13.107.78) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.342.4; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 04:24:41 -0500 Received: from [10.80.2.80] (10.30.203.1) by LONPEX01CL01.citrite.net (10.30.203.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.2.342.4; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:24:40 +0000 Message-ID: <1383729880.26213.5.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> From: Ian Campbell To: Goswin von Brederlow Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:24:40 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20131105191157.GB16703@frosties> References: <20131105092006.GB9360@frosties> <1383644919.13961.19.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com> <20131105191157.GB16703@frosties> Organization: Citrix Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [10.30.203.1] X-DLP: MIA2 Cc: xen-arm@lists.xen.org, xen-devel Subject: Re: [XenARM] probably FAQ: latest xen PV api/abi specs X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 20:11 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 09:48:39AM +0000, Ian Campbell wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 10:20 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > this might be an FAQ but I'm looking for the documentation for the xen > > > guest API/ABI exposed to domU kernels on arm. > > > > Which port are you asking about? > > http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_with_Virtualization_Extensions or > > http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_%28PV%29 ? I only know about the former > > and it sounds like this is the one you mean? > > > > Adding xen-devel which is the right venue for virt extensions questions, > > xen-arm@ is for the PV port. > > I'm interested in older arm cpus like the RaspberryPI, which doesn't > have the virtualization extension. Therefore I'm interested in the PV > port. OK. I think the statement you've seen regarding API/ABI stability all refer to the hardware based port. That said I know nothing about the stated (or otherwise) stability of the API/ABI of the PV port. Its developers have not been active for several years now. I'm afraid I think you'd be wasting your time pursuing it on the RPi. > Or would it be feasable and make more sense to emulate the HVC > instruction in the undefined handler? Probably not given the extensive > use of hardware facilities. I'm sure it could be done at a technical level, but it would effectively be an entirely new port... Ian. _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Wed Nov 06 18:56:35 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 18:56:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ve82J-0002Ch-8b; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 18:41:03 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.103] (helo=mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ve821-0002CA-98 for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 18:40:45 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147:11265] by server-2.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 9A/12-08076-81D8A725; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 18:40:24 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Stefano.Stabellini@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1383763222!401445!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.63] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni42MyA9PiAzMDYwNDg=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 16463 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2013 18:40:23 -0000 Received: from smtp02.citrix.com (HELO SMTP02.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.63) by server-9.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Nov 2013 18:40:23 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,647,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="68739412" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL03.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO02.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 06 Nov 2013 18:40:21 +0000 Received: from ukmail1.uk.xensource.com (10.80.16.128) by smtprelay.citrix.com (10.13.107.80) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.2.342.4; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 13:40:21 -0500 Received: from kaball.uk.xensource.com ([10.80.2.59]) by ukmail1.uk.xensource.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ve81d-0000jX-9i; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 18:40:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 18:39:04 +0000 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: Goswin von Brederlow In-Reply-To: <20131105092006.GB9360@frosties> Message-ID: References: <20131105092006.GB9360@frosties> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: xen-arm@lists.xen.org, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com Subject: Re: [XenARM] probably FAQ: latest xen PV api/abi specs X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Tue, 5 Nov 2013, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Hi, > > this might be an FAQ but I'm looking for the documentation for the xen > guest API/ABI exposed to domU kernels on arm. The wiki says it isn't > yet set in stone and WIP but I hope someone is already working on > documenting it. Any pointers? Hello Goswin, please note that the right list for upstream Xen on ARM discussions is xen-devel@lists.xen.org. xen-arm is to discuss the older PV port by Samsung. I know this is confusing, sorry. Unfortunately such a document still needs to be written but it would be truly great to have it. I'll offer you an endless supply of beers at the next Xen Developer Summit if you write one :-) We do have a list of exported hypercalls here: xen/include/public/arch-arm.h You might also want to give a look at the device tree interface (under Linux): Documentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/xen.txt And still under Linux: arch/arm/xen/enlighten.c >From which is clear that: - the start_info page is not used; - the shared_info page is mapped using XENMEM_add_to_physmap(XENMAPSPACE_shared_info); - all vcpu_info pages are mapped using VCPUOP_register_vcpu_info, even the one for cpu0; - the grant table is mapped using XENMEM_add_to_physmap(XENMAPSPACE_grant_table) in the memory range specified on the device tree xen node; - event channel notifications are delivered using the a percpu GIC interrupt. _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Wed Nov 06 18:56:35 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 18:56:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ve82J-0002Ch-8b; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 18:41:03 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.103] (helo=mail6.bemta14.messagelabs.com) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ve821-0002CA-98 for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 18:40:45 +0000 Received: from [193.109.254.147:11265] by server-2.bemta-14.messagelabs.com id 9A/12-08076-81D8A725; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 18:40:24 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Stefano.Stabellini@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-27.messagelabs.com!1383763222!401445!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.63] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni42MyA9PiAzMDYwNDg=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 16463 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2013 18:40:23 -0000 Received: from smtp02.citrix.com (HELO SMTP02.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.63) by server-9.tower-27.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Nov 2013 18:40:23 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,647,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="68739412" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL03.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO02.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 06 Nov 2013 18:40:21 +0000 Received: from ukmail1.uk.xensource.com (10.80.16.128) by smtprelay.citrix.com (10.13.107.80) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.2.342.4; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 13:40:21 -0500 Received: from kaball.uk.xensource.com ([10.80.2.59]) by ukmail1.uk.xensource.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ve81d-0000jX-9i; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 18:40:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 18:39:04 +0000 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: Goswin von Brederlow In-Reply-To: <20131105092006.GB9360@frosties> Message-ID: References: <20131105092006.GB9360@frosties> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: xen-arm@lists.xen.org, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com Subject: Re: [XenARM] probably FAQ: latest xen PV api/abi specs X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Tue, 5 Nov 2013, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Hi, > > this might be an FAQ but I'm looking for the documentation for the xen > guest API/ABI exposed to domU kernels on arm. The wiki says it isn't > yet set in stone and WIP but I hope someone is already working on > documenting it. Any pointers? Hello Goswin, please note that the right list for upstream Xen on ARM discussions is xen-devel@lists.xen.org. xen-arm is to discuss the older PV port by Samsung. I know this is confusing, sorry. Unfortunately such a document still needs to be written but it would be truly great to have it. I'll offer you an endless supply of beers at the next Xen Developer Summit if you write one :-) We do have a list of exported hypercalls here: xen/include/public/arch-arm.h You might also want to give a look at the device tree interface (under Linux): Documentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/xen.txt And still under Linux: arch/arm/xen/enlighten.c >From which is clear that: - the start_info page is not used; - the shared_info page is mapped using XENMEM_add_to_physmap(XENMAPSPACE_shared_info); - all vcpu_info pages are mapped using VCPUOP_register_vcpu_info, even the one for cpu0; - the grant table is mapped using XENMEM_add_to_physmap(XENMAPSPACE_grant_table) in the memory range specified on the device tree xen node; - event channel notifications are delivered using the a percpu GIC interrupt. _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Thu Nov 07 08:53:48 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:53:48 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VeL58-0001Fg-8h; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:36:50 +0000 Received: from [195.245.230.39] (helo=mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VeL4m-0001EH-Nj for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:36:29 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68:63250] by server-5.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id DD/51-25946-DE05B725; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:35:57 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Ian.Campbell@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1383813355!29018!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.63] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni42MyA9PiAzMDYwNDg=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 2284 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2013 08:35:57 -0000 Received: from smtp02.citrix.com (HELO SMTP02.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.63) by server-5.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 7 Nov 2013 08:35:57 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,650,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="68947969" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO02.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2013 08:35:55 +0000 Received: from ukmail1.uk.xensource.com (10.80.16.128) by smtprelay.citrix.com (10.13.107.79) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.2.342.4; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 03:35:54 -0500 Received: from gateway-cbg.eng.citrite.net ([10.80.16.17] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ukmail1.uk.xensource.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VeL4E-0003AX-Ac; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:35:54 +0000 Message-ID: <1383813353.2320.11.camel@dagon.hellion.org.uk> From: Ian Campbell To: Stefano Stabellini Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 08:35:53 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: <20131105092006.GB9360@frosties> Organization: Citrix Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-4+b1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: xen-arm@lists.xen.org, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com Subject: Re: [XenARM] probably FAQ: latest xen PV api/abi specs X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 18:39 +0000, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > On Tue, 5 Nov 2013, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Hi, > > > > this might be an FAQ but I'm looking for the documentation for the xen > > guest API/ABI exposed to domU kernels on arm. The wiki says it isn't > > yet set in stone and WIP but I hope someone is already working on > > documenting it. Any pointers? > > Hello Goswin, > please note that the right list for upstream Xen on ARM discussions is > xen-devel@lists.xen.org. xen-arm is to discuss the older PV port by > Samsung. I know this is confusing, sorry. Note that Goswin went on to say in a subsequent mail that he was interesting in the PV port... (So, Goswin, you can stop reading now if you like ;-)) > Unfortunately such a document still needs to be written Actually, we have a fair bit of stuff about the ABI layout, supported hypercalls etc in the public headers so I think "needs to be written" is a bit pessimistic. "exists but needs expanding" would be more accurate. [...] > From which is clear that: [...] This list could be trivially pasted into either an appropriate header in xen.git/xen/include/public/*arm* or the wiki and would be a useful improvement. I think the headers, somewhere near the list of supported hypercalls, would be best, Can you send a patch? > > - the start_info page is not used; > > - the shared_info page is mapped using XENMEM_add_to_physmap(XENMAPSPACE_shared_info); > > - all vcpu_info pages are mapped using VCPUOP_register_vcpu_info, even > the one for cpu0; > > - the grant table is mapped using > XENMEM_add_to_physmap(XENMAPSPACE_grant_table) in the memory range > specified on the device tree xen node; > > - event channel notifications are delivered using the a percpu GIC > interrupt. _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Thu Nov 07 08:53:48 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:53:48 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VeL58-0001Fg-8h; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:36:50 +0000 Received: from [195.245.230.39] (helo=mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VeL4m-0001EH-Nj for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:36:29 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68:63250] by server-5.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id DD/51-25946-DE05B725; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:35:57 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Ian.Campbell@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1383813355!29018!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.63] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni42MyA9PiAzMDYwNDg=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 2284 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2013 08:35:57 -0000 Received: from smtp02.citrix.com (HELO SMTP02.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.63) by server-5.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 7 Nov 2013 08:35:57 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,650,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="68947969" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL02.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO02.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2013 08:35:55 +0000 Received: from ukmail1.uk.xensource.com (10.80.16.128) by smtprelay.citrix.com (10.13.107.79) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.2.342.4; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 03:35:54 -0500 Received: from gateway-cbg.eng.citrite.net ([10.80.16.17] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ukmail1.uk.xensource.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VeL4E-0003AX-Ac; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:35:54 +0000 Message-ID: <1383813353.2320.11.camel@dagon.hellion.org.uk> From: Ian Campbell To: Stefano Stabellini Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 08:35:53 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: <20131105092006.GB9360@frosties> Organization: Citrix Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4-4+b1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA1 Cc: xen-arm@lists.xen.org, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com Subject: Re: [XenARM] probably FAQ: latest xen PV api/abi specs X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 18:39 +0000, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > On Tue, 5 Nov 2013, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Hi, > > > > this might be an FAQ but I'm looking for the documentation for the xen > > guest API/ABI exposed to domU kernels on arm. The wiki says it isn't > > yet set in stone and WIP but I hope someone is already working on > > documenting it. Any pointers? > > Hello Goswin, > please note that the right list for upstream Xen on ARM discussions is > xen-devel@lists.xen.org. xen-arm is to discuss the older PV port by > Samsung. I know this is confusing, sorry. Note that Goswin went on to say in a subsequent mail that he was interesting in the PV port... (So, Goswin, you can stop reading now if you like ;-)) > Unfortunately such a document still needs to be written Actually, we have a fair bit of stuff about the ABI layout, supported hypercalls etc in the public headers so I think "needs to be written" is a bit pessimistic. "exists but needs expanding" would be more accurate. [...] > From which is clear that: [...] This list could be trivially pasted into either an appropriate header in xen.git/xen/include/public/*arm* or the wiki and would be a useful improvement. I think the headers, somewhere near the list of supported hypercalls, would be best, Can you send a patch? > > - the start_info page is not used; > > - the shared_info page is mapped using XENMEM_add_to_physmap(XENMAPSPACE_shared_info); > > - all vcpu_info pages are mapped using VCPUOP_register_vcpu_info, even > the one for cpu0; > > - the grant table is mapped using > XENMEM_add_to_physmap(XENMAPSPACE_grant_table) in the memory range > specified on the device tree xen node; > > - event channel notifications are delivered using the a percpu GIC > interrupt. _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Thu Nov 07 14:02:28 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 14:02:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VeQAA-0006in-K7; 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07 Nov 2013 14:01:50 +0000 Received: from ukmail1.uk.xensource.com (10.80.16.128) by smtprelay.citrix.com (10.13.107.79) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.2.342.4; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 09:01:50 -0500 Received: from kaball.uk.xensource.com ([10.80.2.59]) by ukmail1.uk.xensource.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VeQ9e-00083D-4O; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 14:01:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:00:32 +0000 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: Lars Kurth In-Reply-To: <5277C5CE.8050500@xen.org> Message-ID: References: <5277C5CE.8050500@xen.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP: MIA2 Cc: "xen-arm@lists.xen.org" , "xen-devel@lists.xen.org" Subject: Re: [XenARM] Proposal to archive xen-arm@lists.xenproject.org [vote open until Nov 11] X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Mon, 4 Nov 2013, Lars Kurth wrote: > Hi all, > > the existance of the xen-arm list is causing quite a bit of confusion, in > particular amongst new users and developers of Xen on ARM. > > With Xen ARM support being in and Xen ARM PV having increasingly less > activity, my proposal would be to archive the xen-arm list and redirect to > xen-devel and xen-users as appropriate. > > In other words: we would > * Remove the list from http://www.xenproject.org/help/mailing-list.html (there > should be an archive page which I will create) > * Remove references to the list from wiki and other web real-estate on > xenproject.org > * Make an announcement on xen-arm to announce closure > * Close the list to new posts > * Set the list up such that an mail sent to xen-arm causes an auto-response > asking people to post on either xen-devel or xen-users (using the ARM or ARMPV > tag in the subject line) > > Those in favour of a vote: Vote open till next Monday, the 11th. > * Please reply with "+1" +1 _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Thu Nov 07 14:02:28 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 14:02:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VeQAA-0006in-K7; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Mon, 4 Nov 2013, Lars Kurth wrote: > Hi all, > > the existance of the xen-arm list is causing quite a bit of confusion, in > particular amongst new users and developers of Xen on ARM. > > With Xen ARM support being in and Xen ARM PV having increasingly less > activity, my proposal would be to archive the xen-arm list and redirect to > xen-devel and xen-users as appropriate. > > In other words: we would > * Remove the list from http://www.xenproject.org/help/mailing-list.html (there > should be an archive page which I will create) > * Remove references to the list from wiki and other web real-estate on > xenproject.org > * Make an announcement on xen-arm to announce closure > * Close the list to new posts > * Set the list up such that an mail sent to xen-arm causes an auto-response > asking people to post on either xen-devel or xen-users (using the ARM or ARMPV > tag in the subject line) > > Those in favour of a vote: Vote open till next Monday, the 11th. > * Please reply with "+1" +1 _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Thu Nov 14 16:41:22 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:41:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vgzyn-0001rx-6O; 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rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "xen-arm@lists.xen.org" Subject: [XenARM] This list will be archived and discussions moved to xen-devel X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: lars.kurth@xen.org List-Id: List for Xen ARM developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Dear list subscriber, I will be closing this list for new posts sometimes next week and take it off the list index. 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boundary="-1489772017-1667200246-1384611251=:99230" ---1489772017-1667200246-1384611251=:99230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AHi,=0AEarlier i was trying to port XEN on ARMv5 which uses VIVT , for= which there were some cache aliasing issues,=0AHowever we now have VIPT ca= ches. I see in the Linux they do some color alignment to avoid aliasing iss= ues.=0AWe have 4 way set associative 32Kb cache, 32 bytes cache line.=0AAs = i understand there will be 32kb/32 =3D 1024 lines, so there will be sets=3D= 1024 lines/4 way =3D 256 sets?=0A=0AI see that bits 13:12 will be used to a= void cache alisasing issues in VIPT. what i understand is if mutliple virtu= al address maps to same physical address then we aliasing issue, however if= we make sure cache line index for multiple virtual address points to same = index then there wont be aliaasing issues. Now how are bits 13:12 help in a= voiding cache aliasing issues?=0A=0ACache look up address bits ->=0A=A0=A0 = Bits 0 to 4 -> linesize, Bits 5 to 13(8 bits) NSET, 14 to 31 -> PHysical TA= G to compare. Now even if we make 13:12 same for multiple different virtual= address mapping same physical adderss, it can differ in 5:11 which selects= different set hence aliasing issue should be there? I guess i am missing s= omething in my understanding.=0A=0AWarm Regards,=0AAkshay ---1489772017-1667200246-1384611251=:99230 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Hi,
E= arlier i was trying to port XEN on ARMv5 which uses VIVT , for which there = were some cache aliasing issues,
However we now have VIPT caches. I see = in the Linux they do some color alignment to avoid aliasing issues.
We h= ave 4 way set associative 32Kb cache, 32 bytes cache line.
As i understa= nd there will be 32kb/32 =3D 1024 lines, so there will be sets=3D1024 lines= /4 way =3D 256 sets?

I see that bits 13:12 will be used to avoid cac= he alisasing issues in VIPT. what i understand is if mutliple virtual addre= ss maps to same physical address then we aliasing issue, however if we make= sure cache line index for multiple virtual address points to same index th= en there wont be aliaasing issues. Now how are bits 13:12 help in avoiding = cache aliasing issues?

Cache look up address bits ->
   Bits 0 to 4 -> linesize, Bits 5 to 13(8 bits) NSE= T, 14 to 31 -> PHysical TAG to compare. Now even if we make 13:12 same f= or multiple different virtual address mapping same physical adderss, it can= differ in 5:11 which selects different set hence aliasing issue should be = there? I guess i am missing something in my understanding.

Warm Rega= rds,
Akshay

 
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boundary="-1489772017-1667200246-1384611251=:99230" ---1489772017-1667200246-1384611251=:99230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AHi,=0AEarlier i was trying to port XEN on ARMv5 which uses VIVT , for= which there were some cache aliasing issues,=0AHowever we now have VIPT ca= ches. I see in the Linux they do some color alignment to avoid aliasing iss= ues.=0AWe have 4 way set associative 32Kb cache, 32 bytes cache line.=0AAs = i understand there will be 32kb/32 =3D 1024 lines, so there will be sets=3D= 1024 lines/4 way =3D 256 sets?=0A=0AI see that bits 13:12 will be used to a= void cache alisasing issues in VIPT. what i understand is if mutliple virtu= al address maps to same physical address then we aliasing issue, however if= we make sure cache line index for multiple virtual address points to same = index then there wont be aliaasing issues. Now how are bits 13:12 help in a= voiding cache aliasing issues?=0A=0ACache look up address bits ->=0A=A0=A0 = Bits 0 to 4 -> linesize, Bits 5 to 13(8 bits) NSET, 14 to 31 -> PHysical TA= G to compare. Now even if we make 13:12 same for multiple different virtual= address mapping same physical adderss, it can differ in 5:11 which selects= different set hence aliasing issue should be there? I guess i am missing s= omething in my understanding.=0A=0AWarm Regards,=0AAkshay ---1489772017-1667200246-1384611251=:99230 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Hi,
E= arlier i was trying to port XEN on ARMv5 which uses VIVT , for which there = were some cache aliasing issues,
However we now have VIPT caches. I see = in the Linux they do some color alignment to avoid aliasing issues.
We h= ave 4 way set associative 32Kb cache, 32 bytes cache line.
As i understa= nd there will be 32kb/32 =3D 1024 lines, so there will be sets=3D1024 lines= /4 way =3D 256 sets?

I see that bits 13:12 will be used to avoid cac= he alisasing issues in VIPT. what i understand is if mutliple virtual addre= ss maps to same physical address then we aliasing issue, however if we make= sure cache line index for multiple virtual address points to same index th= en there wont be aliaasing issues. Now how are bits 13:12 help in avoiding = cache aliasing issues?

Cache look up address bits ->
   Bits 0 to 4 -> linesize, Bits 5 to 13(8 bits) NSE= T, 14 to 31 -> PHysical TAG to compare. Now even if we make 13:12 same f= or multiple different virtual address mapping same physical adderss, it can= differ in 5:11 which selects different set hence aliasing issue should be = there? I guess i am missing something in my understanding.

Warm Rega= rds,
Akshay

 
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Lars Kurth wrote: > Hi all, > > the existance of the xen-arm list is causing quite a bit of confusion, in > particular amongst new users and developers of Xen on ARM. > > With Xen ARM support being in and Xen ARM PV having increasingly less > activity, my proposal would be to archive the xen-arm list and redirect to > xen-devel and xen-users as appropriate. > > In other words: we would > * Remove the list from http://www.xenproject.org/help/mailing-list.html > (there should be an archive page which I will create) > * Remove references to the list from wiki and other web real-estate on > xenproject.org > * Make an announcement on xen-arm to announce closure > * Close the list to new posts > * Set the list up such that an mail sent to xen-arm causes an auto-response > asking people to post on either xen-devel or xen-users (using the ARM or > ARMPV tag in the subject line) > > Those in favour of a vote: Vote open till next Monday, the 11th. > * Please reply with "+1" +1 _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Wed Nov 20 18:23:50 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:23:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VjCRE-0000kb-4B; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Lars Kurth wrote: > Hi all, > > the existance of the xen-arm list is causing quite a bit of confusion, in > particular amongst new users and developers of Xen on ARM. > > With Xen ARM support being in and Xen ARM PV having increasingly less > activity, my proposal would be to archive the xen-arm list and redirect to > xen-devel and xen-users as appropriate. > > In other words: we would > * Remove the list from http://www.xenproject.org/help/mailing-list.html > (there should be an archive page which I will create) > * Remove references to the list from wiki and other web real-estate on > xenproject.org > * Make an announcement on xen-arm to announce closure > * Close the list to new posts > * Set the list up such that an mail sent to xen-arm causes an auto-response > asking people to post on either xen-devel or xen-users (using the ARM or > ARMPV tag in the subject line) > > Those in favour of a vote: Vote open till next Monday, the 11th. > * Please reply with "+1" +1 _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Wed Nov 20 19:08:43 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:08:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VjD8i-0003wB-JQ; 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Audun, we are in the process of archiving this mailing list as today most of the Xen ARM development is done on xen-devel on the upstream ARM and ARMv8 port. It requires a Cortex A15 or any other processors with virtualization extensions. Would that meet your requirements? On Mon, 28 Oct 2013, Audun J=C3=B8sang wrote: > Dear XEN/&Samsung >=20 > Please let me know the status of virtualisation technologies for ARM=20 > and mobile devices. >=20 > I see that the wiki is inactive: http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/XenARM >=20 > Best regards > Audun J=C3=B8sang >=20 > --=20 > Dr. Audun J=C3=B8sang > Professor, University of Oslo > Adjunct Professor, QUT > homepage: http://folk.uio.no/josang/ > mob.+47-98431433, office +47-22845524, fax.+47-22852401 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Xen-arm mailing list > Xen-arm@lists.xen.org > http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm >=20 --1342847746-1273513209-1384973035=:3198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm --1342847746-1273513209-1384973035=:3198-- From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Wed Nov 20 19:08:43 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:08:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VjD8i-0003wB-JQ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:08:40 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta5.messagelabs.com ([195.245.231.135]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VjCkw-0001z1-GD; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:44:06 +0000 Received: from [85.158.139.211:28636] by server-14.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id F5/D3-24200-5F20D825; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:44:05 +0000 X-Env-Sender: Stefano.Stabellini@citrix.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-206.messagelabs.com!1384973043!3229566!1 X-Originating-IP: [66.165.176.63] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests=sa_preprocessor: VHJ1c3RlZCBJUDogNjYuMTY1LjE3Ni42MyA9PiAzMDYwNDg=\n X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 7489 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2013 18:44:05 -0000 Received: from smtp02.citrix.com (HELO SMTP02.CITRIX.COM) (66.165.176.63) by server-12.tower-206.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 20 Nov 2013 18:44:05 -0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,738,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="74030435" Received: from accessns.citrite.net (HELO FTLPEX01CL01.citrite.net) ([10.9.154.239]) by FTLPIPO02.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP; 20 Nov 2013 18:44:03 +0000 Received: from ukmail1.uk.xensource.com (10.80.16.128) by smtprelay.citrix.com (10.13.107.78) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.2.342.4; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:44:03 -0500 Received: from kaball.uk.xensource.com ([10.80.2.59]) by ukmail1.uk.xensource.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VjCks-0006qx-O1; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:44:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:43:55 +0000 From: Stefano Stabellini X-X-Sender: sstabellini@kaball.uk.xensource.com To: =?UTF-8?Q?Audun_J=C3=B8sang?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1342847746-1273513209-1384973035=:3198" X-DLP: MIA2 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:08:39 +0000 Cc: xen-arm@lists.xensource.com, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com Subject: Re: [XenARM] Status of Xen ARM Project X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for Xen ARM PV developers and users \(archived\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org --1342847746-1273513209-1384973035=:3198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Audun, we are in the process of archiving this mailing list as today most of the Xen ARM development is done on xen-devel on the upstream ARM and ARMv8 port. It requires a Cortex A15 or any other processors with virtualization extensions. Would that meet your requirements? On Mon, 28 Oct 2013, Audun J=C3=B8sang wrote: > Dear XEN/&Samsung >=20 > Please let me know the status of virtualisation technologies for ARM=20 > and mobile devices. >=20 > I see that the wiki is inactive: http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/XenARM >=20 > Best regards > Audun J=C3=B8sang >=20 > --=20 > Dr. Audun J=C3=B8sang > Professor, University of Oslo > Adjunct Professor, QUT > homepage: http://folk.uio.no/josang/ > mob.+47-98431433, office +47-22845524, fax.+47-22852401 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Xen-arm mailing list > Xen-arm@lists.xen.org > http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm >=20 --1342847746-1273513209-1384973035=:3198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm --1342847746-1273513209-1384973035=:3198-- From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Wed Nov 20 19:13:45 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:13:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VjDDd-0004gN-LI; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:13:45 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VjDDU-0004ep-Vq; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:13:37 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68:58585] by server-10.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 12/06-23989-0E90D825; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:13:36 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1384974814!2736776!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.212.173] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.8 required=7.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 29924 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2013 19:13:35 -0000 Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (HELO mail-wi0-f173.google.com) (209.85.212.173) by server-13.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 20 Nov 2013 19:13:35 -0000 Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id hm4so2008927wib.6 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 11:13:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=UW8vjTBOYaD5WJ47OLVvKX3oRtj8gOISjlpCdd5511s=; b=lyQomDYy4kjOHn6022onvJt268qKmhE2LVECJTgWin0SF5NNSPPcLF70jxX4kDTQg+ Ex3spA3KvoeFykB7IhKs+urNpC5/XKI1jwleThhOlQByFLiwSBeCrqhH7zloNE6IRJ26 EOPHA7XLUp+DLv+Ns6VhsPxA5Zh7qaFG7pAqG88FQ+GNosl9rvOYD/6opBmF+5YiBbS2 JYto5NzzpYzon22Kkcwe/vQkRlQGdOPQOEu0RIw/CijxKs30CEZwvb6hAlWKfKiE5kp8 OTfZ9fpH3ea3fqNPxnHyjY0ZXDisblusEwuK9QR7GIT6CbEyUOgY5Usl5zbkhGRez+X4 R0Rw== X-Received: by 10.180.91.11 with SMTP id ca11mr2380228wib.39.1384974814708; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 11:13:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.25.10] ([2.122.219.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gm2sm47864702wib.4.2013.11.20.11.13.33 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Nov 2013 11:13:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <528D09DC.20601@xen.org> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:13:32 +0000 From: Lars Kurth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefano Stabellini , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Audun_J=F8sang?= References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:13:45 +0000 Cc: xen-arm@lists.xensource.com, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com Subject: Re: [XenARM] [Xen-devel] Status of Xen ARM Project X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: lars.kurth@xen.org List-Id: "List for Xen ARM PV developers and users \(archived\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3797878250279101617==" Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3797878250279101617== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050307040400020104040904" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050307040400020104040904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Audun, I clarified the warning on http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_(PV) as it was a little confusing. The original Xen ARM PV port requires a modified Linux kernel, whereas ARM support in mainline Xen does not. Many of the newer mobile platform have newer ARM CPUs and thus ARM support in mainline Xen should just work. We are also seeing pick-up in the mobile and other sectors with the new port. This is happening a lot quicker than we thought and there are activities and discussions going on to make mainline Xen more suitable for various embedded use-cases: See * http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Category:Android *http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Category:Embedded * http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2013-11/msg03004.html [Xen Developer Summit BoF Notes : Seeding a Xen + Android / Embedded ecosystem BoF] * http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2013-11/msg02536.html [Xen for real-time/embedded/automotive] Of course the old port is still around, but it is unlikley that much development effort will go into it. Best Regards Lars --------------050307040400020104040904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Audun,

I clarified the warning on http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_(PV) as it was a little confusing.

The original Xen ARM PV port requires a modified Linux kernel, whereas ARM support in mainline Xen does not. Many of the newer mobile platform have newer ARM CPUs and thus ARM support in mainline Xen should just work. We are also seeing pick-up in the mobile and other sectors with the new port. This is happening a lot quicker than we thought and there are activities and discussions going on to make mainline Xen more suitable for various embedded use-cases:
See
* http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Category:Android
* http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Category:Embedded
* http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2013-11/msg03004.html [Xen Developer Summit BoF Notes : Seeding a Xen + Android / Embedded ecosystem BoF]
* http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2013-11/msg02536.html [Xen for real-time/embedded/automotive]

Of course the old port is still around, but it is unlikley that much development effort will go into it.

Best Regards
Lars
--------------050307040400020104040904-- --===============3797878250279101617== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm --===============3797878250279101617==-- From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Wed Nov 20 19:13:45 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:13:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VjDDd-0004gN-LI; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:13:45 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta3.messagelabs.com ([195.245.230.39]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VjDDU-0004ep-Vq; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:13:37 +0000 Received: from [85.158.137.68:58585] by server-10.bemta-3.messagelabs.com id 12/06-23989-0E90D825; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:13:36 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-31.messagelabs.com!1384974814!2736776!1 X-Originating-IP: [209.85.212.173] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.8 required=7.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.13; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 29924 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2013 19:13:35 -0000 Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (HELO mail-wi0-f173.google.com) (209.85.212.173) by server-13.tower-31.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 20 Nov 2013 19:13:35 -0000 Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id hm4so2008927wib.6 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 11:13:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=UW8vjTBOYaD5WJ47OLVvKX3oRtj8gOISjlpCdd5511s=; b=lyQomDYy4kjOHn6022onvJt268qKmhE2LVECJTgWin0SF5NNSPPcLF70jxX4kDTQg+ Ex3spA3KvoeFykB7IhKs+urNpC5/XKI1jwleThhOlQByFLiwSBeCrqhH7zloNE6IRJ26 EOPHA7XLUp+DLv+Ns6VhsPxA5Zh7qaFG7pAqG88FQ+GNosl9rvOYD/6opBmF+5YiBbS2 JYto5NzzpYzon22Kkcwe/vQkRlQGdOPQOEu0RIw/CijxKs30CEZwvb6hAlWKfKiE5kp8 OTfZ9fpH3ea3fqNPxnHyjY0ZXDisblusEwuK9QR7GIT6CbEyUOgY5Usl5zbkhGRez+X4 R0Rw== X-Received: by 10.180.91.11 with SMTP id ca11mr2380228wib.39.1384974814708; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 11:13:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.25.10] ([2.122.219.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gm2sm47864702wib.4.2013.11.20.11.13.33 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Nov 2013 11:13:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <528D09DC.20601@xen.org> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:13:32 +0000 From: Lars Kurth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefano Stabellini , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Audun_J=F8sang?= References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:13:45 +0000 Cc: xen-arm@lists.xensource.com, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com Subject: Re: [XenARM] [Xen-devel] Status of Xen ARM Project X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: lars.kurth@xen.org List-Id: "List for Xen ARM PV developers and users \(archived\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3797878250279101617==" Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3797878250279101617== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050307040400020104040904" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050307040400020104040904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Audun, I clarified the warning on http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_(PV) as it was a little confusing. The original Xen ARM PV port requires a modified Linux kernel, whereas ARM support in mainline Xen does not. Many of the newer mobile platform have newer ARM CPUs and thus ARM support in mainline Xen should just work. We are also seeing pick-up in the mobile and other sectors with the new port. This is happening a lot quicker than we thought and there are activities and discussions going on to make mainline Xen more suitable for various embedded use-cases: See * http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Category:Android *http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Category:Embedded * http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2013-11/msg03004.html [Xen Developer Summit BoF Notes : Seeding a Xen + Android / Embedded ecosystem BoF] * http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2013-11/msg02536.html [Xen for real-time/embedded/automotive] Of course the old port is still around, but it is unlikley that much development effort will go into it. Best Regards Lars --------------050307040400020104040904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Audun,

I clarified the warning on http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_(PV) as it was a little confusing.

The original Xen ARM PV port requires a modified Linux kernel, whereas ARM support in mainline Xen does not. Many of the newer mobile platform have newer ARM CPUs and thus ARM support in mainline Xen should just work. We are also seeing pick-up in the mobile and other sectors with the new port. This is happening a lot quicker than we thought and there are activities and discussions going on to make mainline Xen more suitable for various embedded use-cases:
See
* http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Category:Android
* http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Category:Embedded
* http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2013-11/msg03004.html [Xen Developer Summit BoF Notes : Seeding a Xen + Android / Embedded ecosystem BoF]
* http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2013-11/msg02536.html [Xen for real-time/embedded/automotive]

Of course the old port is still around, but it is unlikley that much development effort will go into it.

Best Regards
Lars
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Mon, 25 Nov 2013 08:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.25.10] ([2.122.219.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bs15sm51144210wib.10.2013.11.25.08.18.39 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Nov 2013 08:18:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5293785F.9010206@xen.org> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:18:39 +0000 From: Lars Kurth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sbuk.suh@samsung.com, xen-arm@lists.xen.org References: <2063963.94410.1384995631898.JavaMail.weblogic@mdmob02> In-Reply-To: <2063963.94410.1384995631898.JavaMail.weblogic@mdmob02> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:47:41 +0000 Subject: Re: [XenARM] This list will be archived X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: lars.kurth@xen.org List-Id: "List for Xen ARM PV developers and users \(archived\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5893941772427611993==" Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5893941772427611993== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010300020500060000060702" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010300020500060000060702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 21/11/2013 01:00, 서상범 wrote: > Lars, > > I am sorry that I did not know the vote. > > If this list will be closed as you mentioned it is also developed in > mainline, then how we can discuss about Xen ARM which is much more > compact and lower CPU/ Memory overheads than that of mainline version. > > Xen ARM has supported All ARM for mobile phones, whereas the mainline > version for servers rich resources cannot do. > > Please let me know if closing mailing for Xen community project is > necessary. > > Sang-bum > Sang-bum, We clearly do not want that people have no place to discuss the Xen ARM PV port. That's why the archiving proposal included: use xen-devel instead of xen-arm and put ARMPV into the subject line. I thought, I set up an auto-reply, which stated this. But it is not working: so. I need to look at this again. I understand that using xen-devel may be problematic for the people which care about the Samsung port (as xen-devel has more traffic). On the other hand, I do know that quite a few Samsung staff members that also use xen-devel and almost every one on xen-arm is also on xen-devel. So we didn't think there was a big issue (and we could just CC you or somebody you nominate if a question related to the Samsung port comes up). The archiving proposal was trying to solve two issues: a) We started to get a lot of complaints (several a month) about questions posted on this list not getting answered. Some complaints were getting vocal, and this is not good for the Xen ARM Samsung port and is also not good for ARM support in the mainline. E.g. http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-arm/2013-11/msg00000.html is one of the newer ones. Note that most complaints were raised with me privately. b) Also, the xen-arm list name was confusing people. The majority of recent posts on xen-arm, actually were for ARM support in the mainline. An alternative option would be to rename the xen-arm list to xen-armpv (or xen-armpv-samsungport, or xen-arm-samsungport) to make it clearer what scope it covers. I would only do this, if there was more commitment by Samsung to actually questions related to that port. The aim of votes in the community is to allow people to raise issues, such that we can find a way forward to resolve issues. Best Regards Lars --------------010300020500060000060702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 21/11/2013 01:00, 서상범 wrote:
Lars,

I am sorry that I did not know the vote.

If this list will be closed as you mentioned it is also developed in mainline, then how we can discuss about Xen ARM which is much more compact and lower CPU/ Memory overheads than that of mainline version.

Xen ARM has supported All ARM for mobile phones, whereas the mainline version for servers rich resources cannot do.

Please let me know if closing mailing for Xen community project is necessary.

Sang-bum

Sang-bum,

We clearly do not want that people have no place to discuss the Xen ARM PV port. That's why the archiving proposal included: use xen-devel instead of xen-arm and put ARMPV into the subject line. I thought, I set up an auto-reply, which stated this. But it is not working: so. I need to look at this again. I understand that using xen-devel may be problematic for the people which care about the Samsung port (as xen-devel has more traffic). On the other hand, I do know that quite a few Samsung staff members that also use xen-devel and almost every one on xen-arm is also on xen-devel. So we didn't think there was a big issue (and we could just CC you or somebody you nominate if a question related to the Samsung port comes up).

The archiving proposal was trying to solve two issues:
a) We started to get a lot of complaints (several a month) about questions posted on this list not getting answered. Some complaints were getting vocal, and this is not good for the Xen ARM Samsung port and is also not good for ARM support in the mainline. E.g. http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-arm/2013-11/msg00000.html is one of the newer ones. Note that most complaints were raised with me privately.

b) Also, the xen-arm list name was confusing people. The majority of recent posts on xen-arm, actually were for ARM support in the mainline. An alternative option would be to rename the xen-arm list to xen-armpv (or xen-armpv-samsungport, or xen-arm-samsungport) to make it clearer what scope it covers. I would only do this, if there was more commitment by Samsung to actually questions related to that port.

The aim of votes in the community is to allow people to raise issues, such that we can find a way forward to resolve issues.

Best Regards
Lars





--------------010300020500060000060702-- --===============5893941772427611993== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Xen-arm mailing list Xen-arm@lists.xen.org http://lists.xen.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xen-arm --===============5893941772427611993==-- From xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Tue Nov 26 10:47:54 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: archives@lists.xen.org Delivery-date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:47:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.xen.org) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1VlGBB-0001Mi-Rc; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:47:41 +0000 Received: from mail6.bemta4.messagelabs.com ([85.158.143.247]) by lists.xen.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Vkyrz-0002SP-GI for xen-arm@lists.xen.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:18:43 +0000 Received: from [85.158.143.35:59700] by server-1.bemta-4.messagelabs.com id 47/4D-02132-26873925; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:18:42 +0000 X-Env-Sender: lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-21.messagelabs.com!1385396321!996045!1 X-Originating-IP: [74.125.82.45] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.8 required=7.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.9.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 13668 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2013 16:18:41 -0000 Received: from mail-wg0-f45.google.com (HELO mail-wg0-f45.google.com) (74.125.82.45) by server-6.tower-21.messagelabs.com with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP; 25 Nov 2013 16:18:41 -0000 Received: by mail-wg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id y10so2283883wgg.24 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 08:18:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=bLpxT9WBvBSmQx6yy34Na09kSlkCG7j6PPKeN2Hyd7I=; b=z4cBkVSk/o1fMw8He/1mEvqspFgDWk3HCBlY8QlPQLkzsALGkg6tMm3ULRNJkBEp42 hIEqqEmkCnjWFvQEwaHWSpFjs35zgystzsWruPDx0u32qF0KCARUOYHZB5JgxzfNBlqn FJ6GLe6rMkpuQ1QjgI0CQrYVlwNIeJ/xBzyDqyw43aVYjuLWI0yfPazwnrTK1IYnmCE0 EF7NMRN4HLK7IaXLx74UH2plqBbgTUCasK+KEGItc44lwTi3QCpJ4jU6uswxYFInQ/aT f71nUWUd1ncipdYkCeNs4TAZvOjjBgrfO9w8ZrCvHryvUyIeC3fM7xK2XI2hhX+naiO2 A0gA== X-Received: by 10.180.75.180 with SMTP id d20mr2969915wiw.39.1385396321283; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 08:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.25.10] ([2.122.219.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bs15sm51144210wib.10.2013.11.25.08.18.39 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Nov 2013 08:18:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5293785F.9010206@xen.org> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:18:39 +0000 From: Lars Kurth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sbuk.suh@samsung.com, xen-arm@lists.xen.org References: <2063963.94410.1384995631898.JavaMail.weblogic@mdmob02> In-Reply-To: <2063963.94410.1384995631898.JavaMail.weblogic@mdmob02> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:47:41 +0000 Subject: Re: [XenARM] This list will be archived X-BeenThere: xen-arm@lists.xen.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: lars.kurth@xen.org List-Id: "List for Xen ARM PV developers and users \(archived\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5893941772427611993==" Sender: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org Errors-To: xen-arm-bounces@lists.xen.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5893941772427611993== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010300020500060000060702" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010300020500060000060702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 21/11/2013 01:00, 서상범 wrote: > Lars, > > I am sorry that I did not know the vote. > > If this list will be closed as you mentioned it is also developed in > mainline, then how we can discuss about Xen ARM which is much more > compact and lower CPU/ Memory overheads than that of mainline version. > > Xen ARM has supported All ARM for mobile phones, whereas the mainline > version for servers rich resources cannot do. > > Please let me know if closing mailing for Xen community project is > necessary. > > Sang-bum > Sang-bum, We clearly do not want that people have no place to discuss the Xen ARM PV port. That's why the archiving proposal included: use xen-devel instead of xen-arm and put ARMPV into the subject line. I thought, I set up an auto-reply, which stated this. But it is not working: so. I need to look at this again. I understand that using xen-devel may be problematic for the people which care about the Samsung port (as xen-devel has more traffic). On the other hand, I do know that quite a few Samsung staff members that also use xen-devel and almost every one on xen-arm is also on xen-devel. So we didn't think there was a big issue (and we could just CC you or somebody you nominate if a question related to the Samsung port comes up). The archiving proposal was trying to solve two issues: a) We started to get a lot of complaints (several a month) about questions posted on this list not getting answered. Some complaints were getting vocal, and this is not good for the Xen ARM Samsung port and is also not good for ARM support in the mainline. E.g. http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-arm/2013-11/msg00000.html is one of the newer ones. Note that most complaints were raised with me privately. b) Also, the xen-arm list name was confusing people. The majority of recent posts on xen-arm, actually were for ARM support in the mainline. An alternative option would be to rename the xen-arm list to xen-armpv (or xen-armpv-samsungport, or xen-arm-samsungport) to make it clearer what scope it covers. I would only do this, if there was more commitment by Samsung to actually questions related to that port. The aim of votes in the community is to allow people to raise issues, such that we can find a way forward to resolve issues. Best Regards Lars --------------010300020500060000060702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 21/11/2013 01:00, 서상범 wrote:
Lars,

I am sorry that I did not know the vote.

If this list will be closed as you mentioned it is also developed in mainline, then how we can discuss about Xen ARM which is much more compact and lower CPU/ Memory overheads than that of mainline version.

Xen ARM has supported All ARM for mobile phones, whereas the mainline version for servers rich resources cannot do.

Please let me know if closing mailing for Xen community project is necessary.

Sang-bum

Sang-bum,

We clearly do not want that people have no place to discuss the Xen ARM PV port. That's why the archiving proposal included: use xen-devel instead of xen-arm and put ARMPV into the subject line. I thought, I set up an auto-reply, which stated this. But it is not working: so. I need to look at this again. I understand that using xen-devel may be problematic for the people which care about the Samsung port (as xen-devel has more traffic). On the other hand, I do know that quite a few Samsung staff members that also use xen-devel and almost every one on xen-arm is also on xen-devel. So we didn't think there was a big issue (and we could just CC you or somebody you nominate if a question related to the Samsung port comes up).

The archiving proposal was trying to solve two issues:
a) We started to get a lot of complaints (several a month) about questions posted on this list not getting answered. Some complaints were getting vocal, and this is not good for the Xen ARM Samsung port and is also not good for ARM support in the mainline. E.g. http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-arm/2013-11/msg00000.html is one of the newer ones. Note that most complaints were raised with me privately.

b) Also, the xen-arm list name was confusing people. The majority of recent posts on xen-arm, actually were for ARM support in the mainline. An alternative option would be to rename the xen-arm list to xen-armpv (or xen-armpv-samsungport, or xen-arm-samsungport) to make it clearer what scope it covers. I would only do this, if there was more commitment by Samsung to actually questions related to that port.

The aim of votes in the community is to allow people to raise issues, such that we can find a way forward to resolve issues.

Best Regards
Lars





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