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Hello Xen folks.When Xen Dom0-less will be complete? It just for ARM processors?
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Hello Xen folks.<div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_1561993919238">When Xen Dom0-less will be complete? It just for ARM processors?</div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_1561994026984"><br></div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_1561994027228">Thanks.<br><br><div id="ymail_android_signature"><a id="ymail_android_signature_link" href="https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&amp;c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&amp;af_wl=ym&amp;af_sub1=Internal&amp;af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&amp;af_sub3=EmailSignature">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></div></div>
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Hello.A website like https://major.io/2014/06/22/performance-benchmarks-kvm-vs-xen/ is popular and some users refer to it for select Xen or KVM. It is old and tested Xen 4.3.2, how can I see a test of new version of Xen?
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                    Xen Security Advisory XSA-300

             Linux: No grant table and foreign mapping limits

ISSUE DESCRIPTION
=================

Virtual device backends and device models running in domain 0, or
other backend driver domains, need to be able to map guest memory
(either via grant mappings, or via the foreign mapping interface).
For Linux to keep track of these mappings, it needs to have a page
structure for each one.  In practice the number of page structures is
usually limited.  In PV dom0, a range of pfns are typically set aside
at boot ("pre-ballooned") for this purpose; for PVH and Arm dom0s, no
memory is set aside to begin with.  In either case, when more of this
"foreign / grant map pfn space" is needed, dom0 will balloon out extra
pages to use for this purpose.

Unfortunately, in Linux, there are no limits, either on the total
amount of memory which dom0 will attempt to balloon down to, nor on
the amount of "foreign / grant map" memory which any individual guest
can consume.

As a result, a malicious guest may be able, with crafted requests to
the backend, to cause dom0 to exhaust its own memory, leading to a
host crash; and if this is not possible, it may be able to monopolize
all of the foreign / grant map pfn space, starving out other guests.

IMPACT
======

Guest may be able to crash domain 0 (Host Denial-of-Service); or may
be able to starve out I/O requests from other guests (Guest
Denial-of-Service).

VULNERABLE SYSTEMS
==================

All versions of Linux are vulnerable.

All Arm dom0s are vulnerable; on x86, PVH dom0 is generally vulnerable,
while PV dom0's vulnerability depends on what, if any, "dom0_mem="
option was passed to Xen.

MITIGATION
==========

On PV dom0, the amount of "pre-ballooned" memory can be increased by
limiting dom0 memory via "dom0_mem=", but avoiding use of the
"dom0_mem=max:<value>" form of the command line option, or by making
the delta between "actual" and "maximum" sufficiently large.  This makes
the attack more difficult to accomplish.

CREDITS
=======

This issue was discovered by Julien Grall of ARM.

RESOLUTION
==========

Applying the appropriate attached patch resolves the domain 0 memory
exhaustion issue.

NOTE: This does NOT fix the guest starvation issue.  Fixing fixing
this issue is more complex, and it was determined that it was better
to work on a robust fix for the issue in public.  This advisory will
be updated when fixes are available.

xsa300-linux-5.1.patch     Linux 4.4 ... 5.2-rc

$ sha256sum xsa300*
9c8a9aec52b147f8e8ef41444e1dd11803bacf3bd4d0f6efa863b16f7a9621ac  xsa300-linux-5.1.patch
$

NOTE ON LACK OF EMBARGO
=======================

The lack of predisclosure is due to a short schedule set by the
discoverer, and efforts to resolve the advisory wording.

DEPLOYMENT DURING EMBARGO
=========================

Deployment of the patches and/or mitigations described above (or
others which are substantially similar) is permitted during the
embargo, even on public-facing systems with untrusted guest users and
administrators.

But: Distribution of updated software is prohibited (except to other
members of the predisclosure list).

Predisclosure list members who wish to deploy significantly different
patches and/or mitigations, please contact the Xen Project Security
Team.


(Note: this during-embargo deployment notice is retained in
post-embargo publicly released Xen Project advisories, even though it
is then no longer applicable.  This is to enable the community to have
oversight of the Xen Project Security Team's decisionmaking.)

For more information about permissible uses of embargoed information,
consult the Xen Project community's agreed Security Policy:
  http://www.xenproject.org/security-policy.html
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Hello everyone,
first, i am new to xen so maybe my questions might sound uninteresting but
i am still learning :). I have installed xen using this method:
https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_Project_Beginners_Guide  and not
compiling it from the source (i tried multiple times but i got errors while
compiling the kernel). To change the scheduler, I read that i have to pass
this command sched=credit2 to the hypervisor at boottime and to enable
FLASK i have to modify  .config file and set XSM_ENABLE and FLASK_ENABLE to
"y"
My questions are :
- Is there a difference between the method i used for installing xen and
compiling it fromn the sources?  I did not compile xen in the method i
used.
- How to change the scheduler and enable XM-FLASK, while i am using the
installation in the link?
- In case this is not possible, can anyone guide me on how to instal it
from the source and give me the right kernel?
Thank you so much,

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>He=
llo everyone, </div><div>first, i am new to xen so maybe my questions might=
 sound uninteresting but i am still learning :). I have installed xen using=
 this method: <a href=3D"https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_Project_Begin=
ners_Guide">https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_Project_Beginners_Guide</a=
> =C2=A0and not compiling it from the source (i tried multiple times but i =
got errors while compiling the kernel). To change the scheduler, I read tha=
t i have to pass this command <font face=3D"Courier New">sched=3Dcredit2</f=
ont><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;let=
ter-spacing:normal;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.7px;font-style:norma=
l;font-weight:400;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline;white-space:no=
rmal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span>=C2=A0</span>to the hyperviso=
r at boottime and to enable=C2=A0 FLASK i have to=C2=A0modify <span style=
=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:nor=
mal;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.7px;font-style:normal;font-weight:4=
00;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline;white-space:normal;background=
-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span>=C2=A0</span>.config file and set XSM_ENABLE=
 and FLASK_ENABLE to &quot;y&quot;</span></span></div><div>My questions are=
 :</div><div>- Is there a difference between the method i used for installi=
ng xen and compiling it fromn the sources?=C2=A0 I did not compile xen in t=
he method i used. </div><div>- How to change the scheduler and enable XM-FL=
ASK, while i am using the installation in the link?</div><div>- In case thi=
s is not possible, can anyone guide me on how to instal it from the source =
and give me the right kernel?</div><div>Thank you so much, </div><div><br><=
/div></div></div></div></div>

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Hello,
we are using ansible to call up xen-create-image with a couple of command
line parameters
definied in the hostvar-file. Other parameters are set
in /etc/xen-tools/xen-tools.conf.

Now I switched to Debian 10 just two days ago and I would like to create
new xen guests in pvh-mode. If I just add the line type='pvh' to
xen-tools.conf it is simply ignored and I also havent found a way to pass
that value via the xen-create-image commandline. What I am doing now is
create PV-guests and then change them PVH-guests after the first boot.
Of course I would like for my guest to start their life immediately as PVH.
How can I do this?


Yours sincerely
Stefan

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hello,<div>we are using ansible to call up xen-create-imag=
e with a couple of command line parameters=C2=A0<br></div><div>definied in =
the hostvar-file. Other parameters are set in=C2=A0/etc/xen-tools/xen-tools=
.conf.</div><div><br></div><div>Now I switched to Debian 10 just two days a=
go and I would like to create new xen guests in pvh-mode. If I just add the=
 line type=3D&#39;pvh&#39; to xen-tools.conf it is simply ignored and I als=
o havent found a way to pass that value via the xen-create-image commandlin=
e. What I am doing now is create PV-guests and then change them PVH-guests =
after the first boot. Of=C2=A0course I would like for my guest to start the=
ir life immediately as PVH. How can I do this?</div><div><br></div><div><br=
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Very simply put:

- is anyone still working on this after the first release
- has anyone tried it out and found it easy/doable/hard?
- Is it gonna see continuous maintenance
- will anyone work on the things listed as limitations or is it waiting for
contribs. If waiting, has anything been done to get those?
- Is it supposed to be around for more than a year
- Is it seeing some testing so one could assume it works now, and it works
in 3 years

Basically the standard checklist for "you are looking at a Xen feature and
would like to know if it'll be forgotten about like dozens before"

Hope that helped to understand a few things that are missing at the given
doc page.



Sarah Newman <srn@prgmr.com> schrieb am Fr., 12. Juli 2019, 21:16:

> On 7/1/19 8:14 AM, Jason Long wrote:
> > Hello Xen folks.When Xen Dom0-less will be complete? It just for ARM
> processors?
> > Thanks.
>
> What specifically isn't answered by
> https://xenbits.xenproject.org/docs/unstable/features/dom0less.html?
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>Very simply put:<div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br><div dir=3D"auto">- is anyone still working on this after the firs=
t release</div><div dir=3D"auto">- has anyone tried it out and found it eas=
y/doable/hard?</div><div dir=3D"auto">- Is it gonna see continuous maintena=
nce</div><div dir=3D"auto">- will anyone work on the things listed as limit=
ations or is it waiting for contribs. If waiting, has anything been done to=
 get those?</div><div dir=3D"auto">- Is it supposed to be around for more t=
han a year</div><div dir=3D"auto">- Is it seeing some testing so one could =
assume it works now, and it works in 3 years</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">Basically the standard checklist for &quot;you are loo=
king at a Xen feature and would like to know if it&#39;ll be forgotten abou=
t like dozens before&quot;</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"aut=
o">Hope that helped to understand a few things that are missing at the give=
n doc page.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></=
div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">Sarah Newman &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srn@prgmr.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">srn@prgmr.com</a>&gt; schrieb am Fr., 12. Juli 2019, 21:16:=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 7/1/19 8:14 AM, Jason Long wrot=
e:<br>
&gt; Hello Xen folks.When Xen Dom0-less will be complete? It just for ARM p=
rocessors?<br>
&gt; Thanks.<br>
<br>
What specifically isn&#39;t answered by <a href=3D"https://xenbits.xenproje=
ct.org/docs/unstable/features/dom0less.html" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://xenbits.xenproject.org/docs/unstable/f=
eatures/dom0less.html</a>?<br>
<br>
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Subject: Re: [Xen-users] When Xen Dom0-less will be complete?
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Thank you.Yes, they are working on it and I guess some automotive companies contributing too.

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  On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 1:07 AM, Sarah Newman<srn@prgmr.com> wrote:   On 7/13/19 10:08 AM, Florian Heigl wrote:
> Sarah Newman <srn@prgmr.com> schrieb am Fr., 12. Juli 2019, 21:16:
> 
>> On 7/1/19 8:14 AM, Jason Long wrote:
>>> Hello Xen folks.When Xen Dom0-less will be complete? It just for ARM
>> processors?
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> What specifically isn't answered by
>> https://xenbits.xenproject.org/docs/unstable/features/dom0less.html?
> Very simply put:
> 
> - is anyone still working on this after the first release
> - has anyone tried it out and found it easy/doable/hard?
> - Is it gonna see continuous maintenance
> - will anyone work on the things listed as limitations or is it waiting for
> contribs. If waiting, has anything been done to get those?
> - Is it supposed to be around for more than a year
> - Is it seeing some testing so one could assume it works now, and it works
> in 3 years
> 
> Basically the standard checklist for "you are looking at a Xen feature and
> would like to know if it'll be forgotten about like dozens before"
> 
> Hope that helped to understand a few things that are missing at the given
> doc page.
> 

Thanks Florian for the detailed response. In the future do you mind not top posting per https://xenproject.org/help/mailing-list/ ?

I'm not sure how much of that information is appropriate to be checked into git or if it should go on the wiki instead. I'll try to figure that out. 
In the meantime you may be interested in https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/xensummit19/13/Dom0less%20-%20Xen%20Summit%202019.pdf

--Sarah

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Thank you.<div id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker_1563051414857">Yes, they ar=
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:07 AM, Sarah Newman</div><div>&lt;srn@prgmr.com&gt; wrote:</div> </div> <d=
iv style=3D"padding: 10px 0 0 20px; margin: 10px 0 0 0; border-left: 1px so=
lid #6D00F6;"> On 7/13/19 10:08 AM, Florian Heigl wrote:<br clear=3D"none">=
&gt; Sarah Newman &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:srn@prgmr.com" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:srn@prgmr.com">srn@prgmr.com</a>&gt; schrieb am Fr., 12. Juli =
2019, 21:16:<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; On 7/1/19 8=
:14 AM, Jason Long wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello Xen folks.Wh=
en Xen Dom0-less will be complete? It just for ARM<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&g=
t; processors?<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks.<br clear=3D"none">&gt=
;&gt;<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; What specifically isn't answered by<br cle=
ar=3D"none">&gt;&gt; https://xenbits.xenproject.org/docs/unstable/features/=
dom0less.html?<br clear=3D"none">&gt; Very simply put:<br clear=3D"none">&g=
t; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; - is anyone still working on this after the firs=
t release<br clear=3D"none">&gt; - has anyone tried it out and found it eas=
y/doable/hard?<br clear=3D"none">&gt; - Is it gonna see continuous maintena=
nce<br clear=3D"none">&gt; - will anyone work on the things listed as limit=
ations or is it waiting for<br clear=3D"none">&gt; contribs. If waiting, ha=
s anything been done to get those?<br clear=3D"none">&gt; - Is it supposed =
to be around for more than a year<br clear=3D"none">&gt; - Is it seeing som=
e testing so one could assume it works now, and it works<br clear=3D"none">=
&gt; in 3 years<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Basically th=
e standard checklist for "you are looking at a Xen feature and<br clear=3D"=
none">&gt; would like to know if it'll be forgotten about like dozens befor=
e"<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Hope that helped to under=
stand a few things that are missing at the given<br clear=3D"none">&gt; doc=
 page.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Thanks =
Florian for the detailed response. In the future do you mind not top postin=
g per <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://xenproject.org/help/mailing-list/ "=
 target=3D"_blank">https://xenproject.org/help/mailing-list/ </a>?<br clear=
=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I'm not sure how much of that information is a=
ppropriate to be checked into git or if it should go on the wiki instead. I=
'll try to figure that out. <br clear=3D"none">In the meantime you may be i=
nterested in <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://static.sched.com/hosted_file=
s/xensummit19/13/Dom0less%20-%20Xen%20Summit%202019.pdf" target=3D"_blank">=
https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/xensummit19/13/Dom0less%20-%20Xen%20S=
ummit%202019.pdf</a><div class=3D"yqt2208962727 yQTDBase" id=3D"yqtfd06015"=
><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">--Sarah<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
=3D"none">_______________________________________________<br clear=3D"none"=
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Good morning from Singapore,

May I know what is Xen Project dom0-less?

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Hello,

we are currently planning to create about 40 new VMs on Debian 10 and there
are
some technology decisions we want to make before starting. We have already
decided
that we will use PVH instead of PV guests. Now we are debating how to store
the VMs.
Until now we have used the traditional approach with a LVM. A colleague
showed me some of the things he can do with proxmox and qcow2 and I would
like to give qcow2-images a try. We have midterm plans of migrating to a
SAN and this would most likely be easier with images instead of a LVM.

I have found out on my own that Xen supports qcow2 in theory, but I still
have two questions:

1) How mature is Xen's support for qcow2 as compared to LVM or raw images?

2) How do I set up a new guest with qcow2? The Xen-Tools seem only to
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and LVM? Surprisingly I have found very little information about both my
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more information.

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Stefan Malte Schumacher

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m plans of migrating to a SAN and this would most likely be easier with ima=
ges instead of a LVM.</div><div><br></div><div>I have found out on my own t=
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and LVM? Surprisingly I have found very little information about both my qu=
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Thank you very much - I couldnt have hoped for a more competent reply. One
final question: Is this still the correct way of mounting qcow2-images?
https://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Blktap2 This is from 2010 and I guess that things
might have changed in the last decade.

Yours sincerely
Sttefan Schumacher


Am Mo., 15. Juli 2019 um 17:35 Uhr schrieb George Dunlap <dunlapg@umich.edu
>:

> On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 3:07 PM Stefan Malte Schumacher
> <stefan.schumacher.netfed@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > we are currently planning to create about 40 new VMs on Debian 10 and
> there are
> > some technology decisions we want to make before starting. We have
> already decided
> > that we will use PVH instead of PV guests. Now we are debating how to
> store the VMs.
> > Until now we have used the traditional approach with a LVM. A colleague
> showed me some of the things he can do with proxmox and qcow2 and I would
> like to give qcow2-images a try. We have midterm plans of migrating to a
> SAN and this would most likely be easier with images instead of a LVM.
> >
> > I have found out on my own that Xen supports qcow2 in theory, but I
> still have two questions:
> >
> > 1) How mature is Xen's support for qcow2 as compared to LVM or raw
> images?
>
> For qcow2, Xen uses a mode called `qdev`, where an instance of QEMU
> itself acts as a disk backend; this means that there should be
> absolutely no issues with image compatibility, since it's exactly the
> same code reading the image as in upstream QEMU.  Functionally, it
> gets tested regularly and so should have no stability issues.
>
> I'm not sure if anyone has been investing in performance -- perhaps
> Paul can comment on that.
>
> > 2) How do I set up a new guest with qcow2? The Xen-Tools seem only to
> support Raw-Images
> > and LVM? Surprisingly I have found very little information about both my
> questions on the WWW, I hope that somebody on this list can provide me with
> more information.
>
> Unfortunately I'm not familiar with higher-level tools like xen-tools.
> It theoretically shouldn't be difficult to extend xen-tools to build
> qdisk images.  Below are the commands I have in my own scripts for
> creating qcow images:
>
> * Create a disk image:
>
> qemu-img create -f qcow2 "${image}" "${size}"M
>
> * Mount such an image in dom0:
>
> xl block-attach 0 ${blockspec}
>
> Where ${blockspec} is:
>
> "backendtype=qdev,vdev=${dev},format=qcow2,target=${image}"
>
> Then you can use parted to create partitions, and `mount
> /dev/${dev}${part}` and populate the filesystem.  (Or not use
> partitions if you don't want to.)
>
> After that, the rest of the xen-tools install should Just Work.
>
> Alternately, you could just create the disk as described in the first
> step, and boot an installer.
>
>  -George
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you very much - I couldnt have hoped for a more comp=
etent reply. One final question: Is this still the correct way of mounting =
qcow2-images?<div><a href=3D"https://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Blktap2">https://wik=
i.xen.org/wiki/Blktap2</a>=C2=A0This is from 2010 and I guess that things m=
ight have changed in the last decade.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Yours si=
ncerely</div><div>Sttefan Schumacher</div><div><br></div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Am Mo., 15. Juli 2=
019 um 17:35=C2=A0Uhr schrieb George Dunlap &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dunlapg@u=
mich.edu">dunlapg@umich.edu</a>&gt;:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex">On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 3:07 PM Stefan Malte Schumache=
r<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stefan.schumacher.netfed@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>stefan.schumacher.netfed@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hello,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; we are currently planning to create about 40 new VMs on Debian 10 and =
there are<br>
&gt; some technology decisions we want to make before starting. We have alr=
eady decided<br>
&gt; that we will use PVH instead of PV guests. Now we are debating how to =
store the VMs.<br>
&gt; Until now we have used the traditional approach with a LVM. A colleagu=
e showed me some of the things he can do with proxmox and qcow2 and I would=
 like to give qcow2-images a try. We have midterm plans of migrating to a S=
AN and this would most likely be easier with images instead of a LVM.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I have found out on my own that Xen supports qcow2 in theory, but I st=
ill have two questions:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 1) How mature is Xen&#39;s support for qcow2 as compared to LVM or raw=
 images?<br>
<br>
For qcow2, Xen uses a mode called `qdev`, where an instance of QEMU<br>
itself acts as a disk backend; this means that there should be<br>
absolutely no issues with image compatibility, since it&#39;s exactly the<b=
r>
same code reading the image as in upstream QEMU.=C2=A0 Functionally, it<br>
gets tested regularly and so should have no stability issues.<br>
<br>
I&#39;m not sure if anyone has been investing in performance -- perhaps<br>
Paul can comment on that.<br>
<br>
&gt; 2) How do I set up a new guest with qcow2? The Xen-Tools seem only to =
support Raw-Images<br>
&gt; and LVM? Surprisingly I have found very little information about both =
my questions on the WWW, I hope that somebody on this list can provide me w=
ith more information.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately I&#39;m not familiar with higher-level tools like xen-tools.<=
br>
It theoretically shouldn&#39;t be difficult to extend xen-tools to build<br=
>
qdisk images.=C2=A0 Below are the commands I have in my own scripts for<br>
creating qcow images:<br>
<br>
* Create a disk image:<br>
<br>
qemu-img create -f qcow2 &quot;${image}&quot; &quot;${size}&quot;M<br>
<br>
* Mount such an image in dom0:<br>
<br>
xl block-attach 0 ${blockspec}<br>
<br>
Where ${blockspec} is:<br>
<br>
&quot;backendtype=3Dqdev,vdev=3D${dev},format=3Dqcow2,target=3D${image}&quo=
t;<br>
<br>
Then you can use parted to create partitions, and `mount<br>
/dev/${dev}${part}` and populate the filesystem.=C2=A0 (Or not use<br>
partitions if you don&#39;t want to.)<br>
<br>
After that, the rest of the xen-tools install should Just Work.<br>
<br>
Alternately, you could just create the disk as described in the first<br>
step, and boot an installer.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0-George<br>
</blockquote></div>

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Hello,

I went the way of least effort and created a pvh-guest as raw-image with
xen-tools and then converted it with qemu, which took about 30 seconds. I
am going to automatize this step in ansible, which already runs
xen-create-images
based on the given hostvars. Unfortunately the domain does not start. I get
the following error message:

xl create dzb327.netfed.de.cfg
Parsing config from dzb327.netfed.de.cfg
libxl: error: libxl_device.c:1418:libxl__wait_for_backend: Backend
/local/domain/0/backend/qdisk/0/51712 not ready
libxl: error: libxl_bootloader.c:417:bootloader_disk_attached_cb: Domain
114:failed to attach local disk for bootloader execution
libxl: error: libxl_bootloader.c:283:bootloader_local_detached_cb: Domain
114:unable to detach locally attached disk
libxl: error: libxl_create.c:1267:domcreate_rebuild_done: Domain 114:cannot
(re-)build domain: -3
libxl: error: libxl_domain.c:1034:libxl__destroy_domid: Domain
114:Non-existant domain
libxl: error: libxl_domain.c:993:domain_destroy_callback: Domain 114:Unable
to destroy guest
libxl: error: libxl_domain.c:920:domain_destroy_cb: Domain 114:Destruction
of domain failed


These are the relevant parts of my dzb327.netfed.de.cfg:

bootloader = 'pygrub'

type = 'pvh'
vcpus       = '2'
memory      = '4096'
maxmem      = '4096'


#
#  Disk device(s).
#
root        = '/dev/xvda2 ro'
disk        = [
                  'tap2:qcow2:/home/xen/domains/
dzb327.netfed.de/disk.img,xvda2,w',
                  'tap2:qcow2:/home/xen/domains/
dzb327.netfed.de/swap.img,xvda1,w',
              ]
#

How do I do this right? I have found dozen of hits for booting xen with
raw-images converted to qcow2, so it seems I am not trying anthing out of
the ordinary here.

Yours sincerely
Stefan

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hello,<div><br></div><div>I went the way =
of least effort and created a pvh-guest as raw-image with xen-tools and the=
n converted it with qemu, which took about 30 seconds. I am going to automa=
tize this step in ansible, which already runs xen-create-images</div><div>b=
ased on the given hostvars. Unfortunately the domain does not start. I get =
the following error message:</div><div><div><br></div><div>xl create dzb327=
.netfed.de.cfg<br>Parsing config from dzb327.netfed.de.cfg<br>libxl: error:=
 libxl_device.c:1418:libxl__wait_for_backend: Backend /local/domain/0/backe=
nd/qdisk/0/51712 not ready<br>libxl: error: libxl_bootloader.c:417:bootload=
er_disk_attached_cb: Domain 114:failed to attach local disk for bootloader =
execution<br>libxl: error: libxl_bootloader.c:283:bootloader_local_detached=
_cb: Domain 114:unable to detach locally attached disk<br>libxl: error: lib=
xl_create.c:1267:domcreate_rebuild_done: Domain 114:cannot (re-)build domai=
n: -3<br>libxl: error: libxl_domain.c:1034:libxl__destroy_domid: Domain 114=
:Non-existant domain<br>libxl: error: libxl_domain.c:993:domain_destroy_cal=
lback: Domain 114:Unable to destroy guest<br>libxl: error: libxl_domain.c:9=
20:domain_destroy_cb: Domain 114:Destruction of domain failed<br></div><div=
><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>These are the relevant parts of my dz=
b327.netfed.de.cfg:<div><br></div><div>bootloader =3D &#39;pygrub&#39;<br><=
br>type =3D &#39;pvh&#39;<br>vcpus =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =3D &#39;2&#39;<br>=
memory =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=3D &#39;4096&#39;<br>maxmem =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0=3D &#39;4096&#39;<br><br><br>#<br># =C2=A0Disk device(s).<br>#<br>root =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=3D &#39;/dev/xvda2 ro&#39;<br>disk =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=3D [<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &#39;tap2:qcow2:/home/xen/domains/<a href=3D"http://dzb327.ne=
tfed.de/disk.img,xvda2,w">dzb327.netfed.de/disk.img,xvda2,w</a>&#39;,<br>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &#39;tap2:qc=
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dzb327.netfed.de/swap.img,xvda1,w</a>&#39;,<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ]<br>#<br></div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div><br></div><div>How do I do this right? I have found dozen of hits for b=
ooting xen with raw-images converted to qcow2, so it seems I am not trying =
anthing out of the ordinary here.</div><div><br></div><div>Yours sincerely<=
/div><div>Stefan=C2=A0</div></div></div></div></div>

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>
> What is the guest OS? Also Debian 10? With the 4.19 kernel in Debian 10,
> you can use grub2 in combination with PVH.
>
> it is Debian 10. But do you think that pygrub is the reason why the
machine is not booting? After all, it works very well
when starting it as a raw image.


> You need the grub-xen-host package on the dom0, and in the domU you need
> the grub-xen package. No actual grub install / boot sector etc is
> needed, only the config file (remember, it's PVH, not HVM).
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=776450#95
>
> I'll have a look at that tomorrow.


> Is there a specific reason you're using xvda1, xvda2 instead of just
> xvda, xvdb?
>

Thats the way xen-tools created them. I do not know if this is a default
setting or a change made by the admin before me.

Yours sincerely
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What is the guest OS? Also Debian 10? With the 4.19 kernel in Debian 10,<br=
>
you can use grub2 in combination with PVH.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>it is Debian 10. But do you think that pygrub is the =
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div>when starting it as a raw image.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote clas=
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You need the grub-xen-host package on the dom0, and in the domU you need<br=
>
the grub-xen package. No actual grub install / boot sector etc is<br>
needed, only the config file (remember, it&#39;s PVH, not HVM).<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D776450#95" r=
el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo=
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Hello,

is there nobody on this list who is actually using qcow and could provide
me with a working guest.cfg ? I am using Debian 10 and Xen 4.11. This -
https://xenbits.xen.org/docs/unstable/man/xl-disk-configuration.5.html -
is unfortunately somewhat over my head, xen-wise.

Yours sincerely
Stefan

Am Mi., 17. Juli 2019 um 17:48 Uhr schrieb Stefan Malte Schumacher <
stefan.schumacher.netfed@gmail.com>:

>
>
>> What is the guest OS? Also Debian 10? With the 4.19 kernel in Debian 10,
>> you can use grub2 in combination with PVH.
>>
>> it is Debian 10. But do you think that pygrub is the reason why the
> machine is not booting? After all, it works very well
> when starting it as a raw image.
>
>
>> You need the grub-xen-host package on the dom0, and in the domU you need
>> the grub-xen package. No actual grub install / boot sector etc is
>> needed, only the config file (remember, it's PVH, not HVM).
>>
>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=776450#95
>>
>> I'll have a look at that tomorrow.
>
>
>> Is there a specific reason you're using xvda1, xvda2 instead of just
>> xvda, xvdb?
>>
>
> Thats the way xen-tools created them. I do not know if this is a default
> setting or a change made by the admin before me.
>
> Yours sincerely
> Stefan
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hello,<div><br></div><div>is there nobody on this list who=
 is actually using qcow and could provide me with a working guest.cfg ? I a=
m using Debian 10 and Xen 4.11. This -=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://xenbits.xen.=
org/docs/unstable/man/xl-disk-configuration.5.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://xenbits.xen.org/docs/unstable/man/xl-disk-configurati=
on.5.html</a>=C2=A0-=C2=A0</div><div>is unfortunately somewhat over my head=
, xen-wise.</div><div><br></div><div>Yours sincerely</div><div>Stefan</div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
Am Mi., 17. Juli 2019 um 17:48=C2=A0Uhr schrieb Stefan Malte Schumacher &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:stefan.schumacher.netfed@gmail.com">stefan.schumacher.ne=
tfed@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
What is the guest OS? Also Debian 10? With the 4.19 kernel in Debian 10,<br=
>
you can use grub2 in combination with PVH.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>it is Debian 10. But do you think that pygrub is the =
reason why the machine is not booting? After all, it works very well</div><=
div>when starting it as a raw image.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r=
gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
You need the grub-xen-host package on the dom0, and in the domU you need<br=
>
the grub-xen package. No actual grub install / boot sector etc is<br>
needed, only the config file (remember, it&#39;s PVH, not HVM).<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D776450#95" r=
el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo=
rt.cgi?bug=3D776450#95</a><br>
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Hello Xen,


   - I am trying to run Xen-4.6.5 on RaspberryPi-3-B
   - Can someone please guide if this is possible straight away or some
   porting needs to be done?
   - In case porting is required, it would be great if some direction is
   provided on the same like what is the issue, what needs to be done et al

Thanks in advance and looking forward to the reply.

Regards,
Rajagopal

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                    Xen Security Advisory XSA-300
                              version 2

             Linux: No grant table and foreign mapping limits

UPDATES IN VERSION 2
====================

Drop inapplicable "Deployment during embargo" section.

Rewrite for clarity, and to remove most references to dom0.  The issue
is equally applicable to domU's providing backend services.

Add information about the arbitrary limit for userspace backends.

ISSUE DESCRIPTION
=================

Virtual device backends and device models running in domain 0, or
other backend driver domains, need to be able to map guest memory
(either via grant mappings, or via the foreign mapping interface).

Inside Xen, mapped grants are tracked by the maptrack structure.  The
size of this structure is chosen during domain creation, and has a
fixed upper bound for the lifetime of the domain.

For Linux to keep track of these mappings, it needs to have a page
structure for each one.  In practice the number of page structures is
usually limited.  In PV guests, a range of pfns are typically set
aside at boot ("pre-ballooned") for this purpose.  For HVM/PVH and Arm
guests, no memory is set aside to begin with.  In either case, when
more of this "foreign / grant map pfn space" is needed, Linux will
balloon out extra pages to use for this purpose.

Unfortunately, in Linux, there are no limits, either on the total
amount of memory which the domain will attempt to balloon out, nor on
the amount of "foreign / grant map" memory which any individual guest
can consume.

For Linux userspace backends (e.g. QEMU) which use /dev/xen/gnttab or
/proc/xen/gnttab, there is an arbitrary mapping limit which, if hit,
will prevent further mappings from being established.

As a result, a malicious guest may be able to, with crafted requests,
cause a backend Linux domain to either:

 1) Fill the maptrack table in Xen and/or hit the userspace limit.
    This will starve I/O from other guests served by the same backend.

 2) Balloon out sufficient RAM to cause it to swap excessively, or run
    completely out of memory.  This may starve all operations from the
    domain, including I/O from other guests, or may cause a crash of
    the domain.

IMPACT
======

Guest may be able to crash backend Linux domains, or starve operations
inside the domain, including the processing of guest I/O requests
(Guest Denial-of-Service).

If the backend is domain 0, which is the most common configuration,
then host-wide operations may be starved, or the host may crash (Host
Denial-of-Service).

VULNERABLE SYSTEMS
==================

All versions of Linux are vulnerable.  Only Linux guests acting as
backend domains for other guests may be exploited.

All Arm domains are vulnerable, as are x86 PVH/HVM guests.  The
vulnerability of x86 PV guests depends on how they were configured at
boot.

MITIGATION
==========

PV guests can be constructed with "pre-ballooned" memory, by building
it with maxmem > memory.  See `man 5 xl.cfg` for full details of these
two parameters.

For PV dom0, these are controlled by Xen's "dom0_mem=$X,max:$Y"
command line parameter.

The larger the difference between memory and maxmem, the more space
Linux has to fill with grant/foreign mappings before it will start
ballooning out real memory to satisfy further mapping requests.  This
makes the attack more difficult to accomplish.

CREDITS
=======

This issue was discovered by Julien Grall of ARM.

RESOLUTION
==========

Applying the appropriate attached patch resolves the backend memory
exhaustion issue.

NOTE: This does NOT fix the guest starvation issue.  Fixing fixing
this issue is more complex, and it was determined that it was better
to work on a robust fix for the issue in public.  This advisory will
be updated when fixes are available.

xsa300-linux-5.2.patch     Linux 4.4 ... 5.2

$ sha256sum xsa300*
9c8a9aec52b147f8e8ef41444e1dd11803bacf3bd4d0f6efa863b16f7a9621ac  xsa300-linux-5.2.patch
$

NOTE ON LACK OF EMBARGO
=======================

The lack of predisclosure is due to a short schedule set by the
discoverer, and efforts to resolve the advisory wording.
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Hello Andre,

On Sun 21 Jul, 2019, 5:45 AM Andr=C3=A9 Przywara, <andre.przywara@arm.com> =
wrote:

> On 20/07/2019 17:39, Julien Grall wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > On 7/20/19 4:39 AM, Rajagopal Aravindan wrote:
> >> Hello Julien,
> >>
> >> Appreciate your reply, thanks.
> >>
> >>  > Instead I would recommend to look at the new RPI4.
> >> Sure, will give it a look-in.
> >>
> >>  >It contains a GIC and the port should be easier.
> >> Does that mean Xen won't run straight away and some porting needs to
> >> be done ?
>
> Not much needed on the Xen side, I got away with a small patch for the
> UART. Using CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK=3D8250,0xfe215040,2 should give you some
> output even without it:
> https://pastebin.com/uZqQ2XPm
>
> You need to have some more decent firmware than what is shipped, though.
>
> > I bought one recently but I haven't yet had the chance to see how much
> > effort is required to getting Xen running on it.
> >
> > For some general guidance on porting a new board to Xen, please see [1]=
.
> >
> >> Again, any directions would be helpful, on where/what to start with.
> >>
> >>  > So porting Xen on the RPI 3 is probably going to be quite consequen=
t.
> >> Sounds like Xen & its guests can be made to run on RPi3, assuming
> >> information on BRCM GIC is available on the net.
> >
> > The RPI 3 does not use the GIC so I am not sure what you found online..=
.
> >
> >> If yes,
> >>
> >>   * Getting Xen to run on RPi3 would be a very good case study for
> >>     understanding its internals, for Xen beginner like me.
> >
> > I don't think trying to port Xen on the RPI 3 is a good way to
> > understand the internals. It would be best to look at platform that are
> > closer to Xen requirements...
> >
> >>   * Should anyone manage to get it running on RPi3  ...
> >>       o Would Xen be willing to take it upstream ?
> >
> > Not really. See below...
> >
> >>       o Or are there reservations about it, since it may NOT be useful
> >>         on other hardware and hence not worth maintaining ?
> >
> > AFAIK, the interrupt controller used by the RPI 3 does not support
> > virtualization. So this is quite departure from the minimal requirement
> > used by Xen.
> >
> > There are various way to make it working on Xen:
> >    1) Emulating the interrupt controller
> >    2) Use a PV interface as used by x86
> >
> > In both cases, the work is going to be consequent with very limited
> > benefits to other platforms.
>
> I agree on this, adding support for the RPi3 interrupt controller would
> be quite painful, and also needs to be integrated with the existing
> (V)GIC support, which has the potential to introduce regressions.
> Plus you need to amend the arch timer code, as this is integrated with
> the GIC for virtualisation purposes.
> AFAIK the RPi3 is one of the few (if not the only one) ARM64 platform
> without a GIC, and given that the RPi4 fixes this, I don't see much hope
> for upstreaming this kind of change.
>
> If you are desperate for (hardware) virtualisation, KVM supports guests
> without a (hardware) GIC (via the QEMU emulation), although this is
> slower and less tested. Or you just go for some container solution.
>
> Cheers,
> Andre.
>

I built Xen with your CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK but couldn't meet with success.

That brings me to your point about decent firmware. I am using u-boot 2019.
Is that good enough?

Thanks,
Rajagopal

>

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Hello Andre,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun =
21 Jul, 2019, 5:45 AM Andr=C3=A9 Przywara, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andre.przy=
wara@arm.com">andre.przywara@arm.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">On 20/07/2019 17:39, Julien Grall wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
&gt; On 7/20/19 4:39 AM, Rajagopal Aravindan wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Hello Julien,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Appreciate your reply, thanks.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0&gt; Instead I would recommend to look at the new RPI4.<br>
&gt;&gt; Sure, will give it a look-in.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0&gt;It contains a GIC and the=C2=A0port should be easier.<br=
>
&gt;&gt; Does that mean Xen won&#39;t run straight away and some porting ne=
eds to<br>
&gt;&gt; be done ?<br>
<br>
Not much needed on the Xen side, I got away with a small patch for the<br>
UART. Using CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK=3D8250,0xfe215040,2 should give you some<br=
>
output even without it:<br>
<a href=3D"https://pastebin.com/uZqQ2XPm" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://pastebin.com/uZqQ2XPm</a><br>
<br>
You need to have some more decent firmware than what is shipped, though.<br=
>
<br>
&gt; I bought one recently but I haven&#39;t yet had the chance to see how =
much<br>
&gt; effort is required to getting Xen running on it.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; For some general guidance on porting a new board to Xen, please see [1=
].<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Again, any directions would be helpful, on where/what to start wit=
h.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0&gt; So porting Xen on the RPI 3 is probably going to be qui=
te consequent.<br>
&gt;&gt; Sounds like Xen &amp; its guests can be made to run on RPi3, assum=
ing<br>
&gt;&gt; information on BRCM GIC is available on the net.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The RPI 3 does not use the GIC so I am not sure what you found online.=
..<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; If yes,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0 * Getting Xen to run on RPi3 would be a very good case stud=
y for<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 understanding its internals, for Xen beginner l=
ike me.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I don&#39;t think trying to port Xen on the RPI 3 is a good way to<br>
&gt; understand the internals. It would be best to look at platform that ar=
e<br>
&gt; closer to Xen requirements...<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0 * Should anyone manage to get it running on RPi3=C2=A0=C2=
=A0...<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o Would Xen be willing to take it u=
pstream ?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Not really. See below...<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o Or are there reservations about i=
t, since it=C2=A0may NOT be useful<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 on other hardware and h=
ence not worth maintaining ?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; AFAIK, the interrupt controller used by the RPI 3 does not support<br>
&gt; virtualization. So this is quite departure from the minimal requiremen=
t<br>
&gt; used by Xen.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; There are various way to make it working on Xen:<br>
&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0 1) Emulating the interrupt controller<br>
&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0 2) Use a PV interface as used by x86<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; In both cases, the work is going to be consequent with very limited<br=
>
&gt; benefits to other platforms.<br>
<br>
I agree on this, adding support for the RPi3 interrupt controller would<br>
be quite painful, and also needs to be integrated with the existing<br>
(V)GIC support, which has the potential to introduce regressions.<br>
Plus you need to amend the arch timer code, as this is integrated with<br>
the GIC for virtualisation purposes.<br>
AFAIK the RPi3 is one of the few (if not the only one) ARM64 platform<br>
without a GIC, and given that the RPi4 fixes this, I don&#39;t see much hop=
e<br>
for upstreaming this kind of change.<br>
<br>
If you are desperate for (hardware) virtualisation, KVM supports guests<br>
without a (hardware) GIC (via the QEMU emulation), although this is<br>
slower and less tested. Or you just go for some container solution.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Andre.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">I built Xen with y=
our CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK but couldn&#39;t meet with success.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto" styl=
e=3D"font-family:sans-serif">That brings me to your point about decent firm=
ware. I am using u-boot 2019. Is that good=C2=A0enough?</div><div dir=3D"au=
to" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"f=
ont-family:sans-serif">Thanks,</div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:=
sans-serif">Rajagopal</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" dir=3D"auto"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
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From: Rajagopal Aravindan <a.rajagopal.81@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 23:39:29 +0530
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Hello Andr=C3=A9,

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 1:57 AM Rajagopal Aravindan <
a.rajagopal.81@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Andre,
>
> On Sun 21 Jul, 2019, 5:45 AM Andr=C3=A9 Przywara, <andre.przywara@arm.com=
>
> wrote:
>
>> On 20/07/2019 17:39, Julien Grall wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> > On 7/20/19 4:39 AM, Rajagopal Aravindan wrote:
>> >> Hello Julien,
>> >>
>> >> Appreciate your reply, thanks.
>> >>
>> >>  > Instead I would recommend to look at the new RPI4.
>> >> Sure, will give it a look-in.
>> >>
>> >>  >It contains a GIC and the port should be easier.
>> >> Does that mean Xen won't run straight away and some porting needs to
>> >> be done ?
>>
>> Not much needed on the Xen side, I got away with a small patch for the
>> UART. Using CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK=3D8250,0xfe215040,2 should give you some
>> output even without it:
>> https://pastebin.com/uZqQ2XPm
>>
>> You need to have some more decent firmware than what is shipped, though.
>>
>> > I bought one recently but I haven't yet had the chance to see how much
>> > effort is required to getting Xen running on it.
>> >
>> > For some general guidance on porting a new board to Xen, please see [1=
].
>> >
>> >> Again, any directions would be helpful, on where/what to start with.
>> >>
>> >>  > So porting Xen on the RPI 3 is probably going to be quite
>> consequent.
>> >> Sounds like Xen & its guests can be made to run on RPi3, assuming
>> >> information on BRCM GIC is available on the net.
>> >
>> > The RPI 3 does not use the GIC so I am not sure what you found online.=
..
>> >
>> >> If yes,
>> >>
>> >>   * Getting Xen to run on RPi3 would be a very good case study for
>> >>     understanding its internals, for Xen beginner like me.
>> >
>> > I don't think trying to port Xen on the RPI 3 is a good way to
>> > understand the internals. It would be best to look at platform that ar=
e
>> > closer to Xen requirements...
>> >
>> >>   * Should anyone manage to get it running on RPi3  ...
>> >>       o Would Xen be willing to take it upstream ?
>> >
>> > Not really. See below...
>> >
>> >>       o Or are there reservations about it, since it may NOT be usefu=
l
>> >>         on other hardware and hence not worth maintaining ?
>> >
>> > AFAIK, the interrupt controller used by the RPI 3 does not support
>> > virtualization. So this is quite departure from the minimal requiremen=
t
>> > used by Xen.
>> >
>> > There are various way to make it working on Xen:
>> >    1) Emulating the interrupt controller
>> >    2) Use a PV interface as used by x86
>> >
>> > In both cases, the work is going to be consequent with very limited
>> > benefits to other platforms.
>>
>> I agree on this, adding support for the RPi3 interrupt controller would
>> be quite painful, and also needs to be integrated with the existing
>> (V)GIC support, which has the potential to introduce regressions.
>> Plus you need to amend the arch timer code, as this is integrated with
>> the GIC for virtualisation purposes.
>> AFAIK the RPi3 is one of the few (if not the only one) ARM64 platform
>> without a GIC, and given that the RPi4 fixes this, I don't see much hope
>> for upstreaming this kind of change.
>>
>> If you are desperate for (hardware) virtualisation, KVM supports guests
>> without a (hardware) GIC (via the QEMU emulation), although this is
>> slower and less tested. Or you just go for some container solution.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andre.
>>
>
> I built Xen with your CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK but couldn't meet with success.
>
> That brings me to your point about decent firmware. I am using u-boot
> 2019. Is that good enough?
>
> Thanks,
> Rajagopal
>

 Could you also please share the fdt set /chosen for xen bootargs, for
RPi-4, if u-boot 2019 is good enough ?

Thanks,
Rajagopal

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello Andr=C3=A9,</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 1:57 AM Raja=
gopal Aravindan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:a.rajagopal.81@gmail.com">a.rajagopal=
.81@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Hello Andre,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Sun 21 Jul, 2019, 5:45 AM Andr=C3=A9 Przywara, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:andre.przywara@arm.com" target=3D"_blank">andre.przywara@arm.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 20/07/2=
019 17:39, Julien Grall wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
&gt; On 7/20/19 4:39 AM, Rajagopal Aravindan wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Hello Julien,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Appreciate your reply, thanks.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0&gt; Instead I would recommend to look at the new RPI4.<br>
&gt;&gt; Sure, will give it a look-in.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0&gt;It contains a GIC and the=C2=A0port should be easier.<br=
>
&gt;&gt; Does that mean Xen won&#39;t run straight away and some porting ne=
eds to<br>
&gt;&gt; be done ?<br>
<br>
Not much needed on the Xen side, I got away with a small patch for the<br>
UART. Using CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK=3D8250,0xfe215040,2 should give you some<br=
>
output even without it:<br>
<a href=3D"https://pastebin.com/uZqQ2XPm" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://pastebin.com/uZqQ2XPm</a><br>
<br>
You need to have some more decent firmware than what is shipped, though.<br=
>
<br>
&gt; I bought one recently but I haven&#39;t yet had the chance to see how =
much<br>
&gt; effort is required to getting Xen running on it.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; For some general guidance on porting a new board to Xen, please see [1=
].<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Again, any directions would be helpful, on where/what to start wit=
h.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0&gt; So porting Xen on the RPI 3 is probably going to be qui=
te consequent.<br>
&gt;&gt; Sounds like Xen &amp; its guests can be made to run on RPi3, assum=
ing<br>
&gt;&gt; information on BRCM GIC is available on the net.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The RPI 3 does not use the GIC so I am not sure what you found online.=
..<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; If yes,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0 * Getting Xen to run on RPi3 would be a very good case stud=
y for<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 understanding its internals, for Xen beginner l=
ike me.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I don&#39;t think trying to port Xen on the RPI 3 is a good way to<br>
&gt; understand the internals. It would be best to look at platform that ar=
e<br>
&gt; closer to Xen requirements...<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0 * Should anyone manage to get it running on RPi3=C2=A0=C2=
=A0...<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o Would Xen be willing to take it u=
pstream ?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Not really. See below...<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 o Or are there reservations about i=
t, since it=C2=A0may NOT be useful<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 on other hardware and h=
ence not worth maintaining ?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; AFAIK, the interrupt controller used by the RPI 3 does not support<br>
&gt; virtualization. So this is quite departure from the minimal requiremen=
t<br>
&gt; used by Xen.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; There are various way to make it working on Xen:<br>
&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0 1) Emulating the interrupt controller<br>
&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0 2) Use a PV interface as used by x86<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; In both cases, the work is going to be consequent with very limited<br=
>
&gt; benefits to other platforms.<br>
<br>
I agree on this, adding support for the RPi3 interrupt controller would<br>
be quite painful, and also needs to be integrated with the existing<br>
(V)GIC support, which has the potential to introduce regressions.<br>
Plus you need to amend the arch timer code, as this is integrated with<br>
the GIC for virtualisation purposes.<br>
AFAIK the RPi3 is one of the few (if not the only one) ARM64 platform<br>
without a GIC, and given that the RPi4 fixes this, I don&#39;t see much hop=
e<br>
for upstreaming this kind of change.<br>
<br>
If you are desperate for (hardware) virtualisation, KVM supports guests<br>
without a (hardware) GIC (via the QEMU emulation), although this is<br>
slower and less tested. Or you just go for some container solution.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Andre.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">I built Xen with y=
our CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK but couldn&#39;t meet with success.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto" styl=
e=3D"font-family:sans-serif">That brings me to your point about decent firm=
ware. I am using u-boot 2019. Is that good=C2=A0enough?</div><div dir=3D"au=
to" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"f=
ont-family:sans-serif">Thanks,</div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:=
sans-serif">Rajagopal</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=C2=
=A0Could you also please share the fdt set /chosen for xen bootargs, for RP=
i-4, if u-boot 2019 is good enough ?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div>=
<div>Rajagopal</div></div></div>

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Subject: Re: [Xen-users] how to change Xen scheduler and enable the XM-FLASK
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hello,
thanks for the reply, i have the Dom0 working with debian 9 , but as i said
i did not compile it from the source. I succeded at creating a new domain
with credit2 scheduler by adding an entry to the file 40-custom.
Concerning Flask it is disabled, i tried to add this line
GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN=3D"flask=3Denforcing" to the file /etc/default/grub but st=
il i
cannot get it to work. Is there another solution? or i should add something
else?
I also have another question concerning communication between domains. As
far as i know they work using grant tables, but the structure of xen that i
have running on my board(intel E3845) is different than what i see in
tutorials. I do not have a source folder for xen so i cannot run make
menuconfig command or compile anything, i also do not have the "include"
folder and all .h files (expl xenbus.h ) are empty, does this mean that i
have to take them from another distribution (i saw this on Ubuntu, but
unfortunatly it does not work on my board) and put them inside the
debian?or the installation is wrong?
Thank you so much for your help!



Le ven. 12 juil. 2019 =C3=A0 21:10, Sarah Newman <srn@prgmr.com> a =C3=A9cr=
it :

> On 7/11/19 6:10 AM, tee as wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> > first, i am new to xen so maybe my questions might sound uninteresting
> but
> > i am still learning :). I have installed xen using this method:
> > https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_Project_Beginners_Guide  and not
> > compiling it from the source (i tried multiple times but i got errors
> while
> > compiling the kernel). To change the scheduler, I read that i have to
> pass
> > this command sched=3Dcredit2 to the hypervisor at boottime and to enabl=
e
> > FLASK i have to modify  .config file and set XSM_ENABLE and FLASK_ENABL=
E
> to
> > "y"
> > My questions are :
> > - Is there a difference between the method i used for installing xen an=
d
> > compiling it fromn the sources?  I did not compile xen in the method i
> > used.
>
> Modifying the .config file only makes a difference when compiling from
> source. This describes the purpose of .config if you want to understand
> more:
>
> https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/kbuild-linux-kernel-build-system
>
> flask is almost certainly not enabled already, but you should be able to
> check for support by running 'sudo xl flask'.
>
>
> > - How to change the scheduler and enable XM-FLASK, while i am using the
> > installation in the link?
>
> credit2 is supposedly the default in some versions, such as 4.12 for
> example.
>
>
> https://xenbits.xenproject.org/docs/4.12-testing/features/sched_credit2.h=
tml
>
> You can check the current scheduler by looking at 'xen_scheduler' in the
> output of 'sudo xl info'.
> If the scheduler is not sched2, assuming you're using Debian, look at
> https://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Other_configuration_tweaks
>
> > - In case this is not possible, can anyone guide me on how to instal it
> > from the source and give me the right kernel?
>
> If you already have a distribution kernel that works with Xen, you should
> be able to use it as-is.
>
> For Xen, try
>
> https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Compiling_Xen_From_Source
>
> and let us know.
>
> --Sarah
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>hello, </div><div>t=
hanks for the reply, i have the Dom0 working with debian 9=C2=A0, but as i =
said i did not compile it from the source. I succeded at creating a new dom=
ain with credit2 scheduler by adding an entry to the file 40-custom. </div>=
<div>Concerning Flask it is disabled, i tried to add this line GRUB_CMDLINE=
_XEN=3D&quot;flask=3Denforcing&quot; to the file <font face=3D"Courier New"=
>/etc/default/grub</font> but stil i cannot get it to work. Is there anothe=
r solution? or i should add something else? </div><div>I also have another =
question concerning communication between domains. As far as i know they wo=
rk using grant tables, but the structure of xen that i have running on my b=
oard(intel E3845) is different than what i see in tutorials. I do not have =
a source folder for xen so i cannot run make menuconfig command or compile =
anything, i also do not have the &quot;include&quot; folder and all .h file=
s (expl xenbus.h ) are empty, does this mean that i have to take them from =
another distribution (i saw this on Ubuntu, but unfortunatly it does not wo=
rk on my board) and put them inside the debian?or the installation is wrong=
?</div><div>Thank you so much for your help!</div><div><br></div><div><br><=
/div></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr" dir=3D"ltr">Le=C2=A0ven. 12 juil. 2019 =C3=A0=C2=A021:10, Sarah Newman=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srn@prgmr.com">srn@prgmr.com</a>&gt; a =C3=A9crit=C2=
=A0:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-widt=
h:1px;border-left-style:solid">On 7/11/19 6:10 AM, tee as wrote:<br>
&gt; Hello everyone,<br>
&gt; first, i am new to xen so maybe my questions might sound uninteresting=
 but<br>
&gt; i am still learning :). I have installed xen using this method:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_Project_Beginners_Guid=
e" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xe=
n_Project_Beginners_Guide</a>=C2=A0 and not<br>
&gt; compiling it from the source (i tried multiple times but i got errors =
while<br>
&gt; compiling the kernel). To change the scheduler, I read that i have to =
pass<br>
&gt; this command sched=3Dcredit2 to the hypervisor at boottime and to enab=
le<br>
&gt; FLASK i have to modify=C2=A0 .config file and set XSM_ENABLE and FLASK=
_ENABLE to<br>
&gt; &quot;y&quot;<br>
&gt; My questions are :<br>
&gt; - Is there a difference between the method i used for installing xen a=
nd<br>
&gt; compiling it fromn the sources?=C2=A0 I did not compile xen in the met=
hod i<br>
&gt; used.<br>
<br>
Modifying the .config file only makes a difference when compiling from sour=
ce. This describes the purpose of .config if you want to understand more:<b=
r>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/kbuild-linux-kernel-build-s=
ystem" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://www.linuxjournal.com/co=
ntent/kbuild-linux-kernel-build-system</a><br>
<br>
flask is almost certainly not enabled already, but you should be able to ch=
eck for support by running &#39;sudo xl flask&#39;.<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; - How to change the scheduler and enable XM-FLASK, while i am using th=
e<br>
&gt; installation in the link?<br>
<br>
credit2 is supposedly the default in some versions, such as 4.12 for exampl=
e.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://xenbits.xenproject.org/docs/4.12-testing/features/sched_=
credit2.html" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://xenbits.xenproje=
ct.org/docs/4.12-testing/features/sched_credit2.html</a><br>
<br>
You can check the current scheduler by looking at &#39;xen_scheduler&#39; i=
n the output of &#39;sudo xl info&#39;.<br>
If the scheduler is not sched2, assuming you&#39;re using Debian, look at <=
a href=3D"https://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Other_configuration_tweaks" target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Other_configuration=
_tweaks</a><br>
<br>
&gt; - In case this is not possible, can anyone guide me on how to instal i=
t<br>
&gt; from the source and give me the right kernel?<br>
<br>
If you already have a distribution kernel that works with Xen, you should b=
e able to use it as-is.<br>
<br>
For Xen, try<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Compiling_Xen_From_Source" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Compiling=
_Xen_From_Source</a><br>
<br>
and let us know.<br>
<br>
--Sarah<br>
</blockquote></div>

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With Xen Dom0less, hypervisor can run without any OS?

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  On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 4:01 PM, Viktor Mitin<viktor.mitin.19@gmail.com> wrote:   Hello,

See Stefano talk from latest Xen summit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrtV6gyHW74

"This talk will introduce Dom0-less: a new way of using Xen to build
mixed-criticality solutions. Dom0-less is a Xen feature that adds a
novel approach to static partitioning based on virtualization. It
allows multiple domains to start at boot time directly from the Xen
hypervisor, decreasing boot times dramatically. Xen userspace tools,
such as xl and libvirt, become optional.
Dom0-less extends the existing device tree based Xen boot protocol to
cover information required by additional domains. Binaries, such as
kernels and ramdisks, are loaded by the bootloader (u-boot) and
advertised to Xen via new device tree bindings. The audience will
learn how to use Dom0-less to partition the system. Uboot and device
tree configuration details will be explained to enable the audience to
get the most out of this feature. The talk will include a status
update and details on future plans.

Thanks

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are loaded by the bootloader (u-boot) and<br clear=3D"none">advertised to X=
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how to use Dom0-less to partition the system. Uboot and device<br clear=3D"=
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"none"><br clear=3D"none">Thanks<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">On Su=
n, Jul 14, 2019 at 4:17 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming<br clear=3D"none=
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