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Sarah,

Let me see what I can do this evening on this.

Thanks,

Russ Pavlicek
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Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 12:48 PM
To: Libby Clark
Cc: Lars Kurth; George Dunlap; publicity@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Publicity] A thought piece: Docker and Unikernels

Hi Russ,

Do you have a revised, updated blog to share? If so, please email it so I can review it again. Might want to publish today or tomorrow to catch some of the VMWorld momentum.

On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Libby Clark <lclark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Happy to run on Linux.com if it suits you, Lars.

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> On Aug 20, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I thought about it and it would be ok on our blog. But we are sort of preaching to the converted there, so another channel may be better
> Lars
> ________________________________________
> From: Tzach Livyatan [tzach@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 20 August 2014 10:06
> To: Russell Pavlicek
> Cc: Anil Madhavapeddy; Libby Clark; Lars Kurth; George Dunlap; publicity@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Publicity] A thought piece: Docker and Unikernels
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 5:42 AM, Russell Pavlicek <russell.pavlicek@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:russell.pavlicek@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> Revised version. I've added Libby (whom I saw in the lobby earlier) and the Publicity list. New title.
>
> Lars has indicated he wants this divorced from the Xen Project blog, since it has the potential to irritate some people. I'm fine with that; I irritated people on my own for years. ;)
>
> I have a feeling someone in the 11:15 AM slot tomorrow will make this piece necessary.
>
> Comments?
> Good post.
> Just wanted to point a related 3 parts post from the OSv blog
> http://osv.io/blog/blog/2014/06/19/containers-hypervisors-part-1/
>
>
> Russ Pavlicek
> Xen Project Evangelist, Citrix Systems
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> From: Anil Madhavapeddy [anil@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:anil@xxxxxxxxxx>]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:55 AM
> To: Russell Pavlicek
> Cc: Lars Kurth; George Dunlap; sconway@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:sconway@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: A thought piece: Docker and Unikernels
>
> I need a cup of tea now...
>
> On 19 Aug 2014, at 08:52, Russell Pavlicek <russell.pavlicek@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:russell.pavlicek@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> Splendid thank you!
>
> And as to the aggressive tone: welcome to America! ;)
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anil Madhavapeddy [anil@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:anil@xxxxxxxxxx>]
> Received: Tuesday, 19 Aug 2014, 8:37AM
> To: Russell Pavlicek [russell.pavlicek@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:russell.pavlicek@xxxxxxxxxx>]
> CC: Lars Kurth [lars.kurth@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lars.kurth@xxxxxxxxxx>]; George Dunlap [George.Dunlap@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:George.Dunlap@xxxxxxxxxx>]; sconway@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:sconway@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [sconway@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:sconway@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
> Subject: Re: A thought piece: Docker and Unikernels
>
> It's an aggressively toned article, but not offensively so. I like it...
>
> A couple of minor tweaks:
>
>> There is no multi-user operating system, no shell scripts, and no massive library of utilities to take up room – or to employ in some nefarious exploit. There is just enough code to make the application run, and precious little for a malefactor to leverage. It's not the “end-all be-all” of security, but it is certainly facing the right direction.
>
> could have a note on type safety added:
>
> There is no multi-user operating system, no shell scripts, and no massive library of utilities to take up room – or to employ in some nefarious exploit. There is just enough code to make the application run, and precious little for a malefactor to leverage. All the code that is present is statically type-safe, from the application stack all the way down to the device drivers themselves. It's not the “end-all be-all” of security, but it is certainly facing the right direction.
>
>> I fully expect that 5 years from now we will look back at the unikernels of 2014 and see these as the seedlings of what will be a growing forest of unikernel-type systems. Frankly, I can't wait to see what will develop in this space.
>
> Could note that unikernels and containers may well converge:
>
>> I fully expect that 5 years from now we will look back at the unikernels of 2014 and see these as the seedlings of what will be a growing forest of unikernel-type systems. They can be viewed as the natural evolution of Linux containers - maintaining their packaging and deployment benefits, but adding much more specialization into the mix to reduce resource wastage and external attack surface.
>
> -a
>
>> On 19 Aug 2014, at 07:24, Russell Pavlicek <russell.pavlicek@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:russell.pavlicek@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I woke up this morning with this going through my head. It was pretty much written in one shot (which I never do), so it may take some polishing, but I think the thoughts are all there.
>>
>> I see James Bottomley on the Keynote list for Wednesday morning and I anticipate another round of the "Docker has won" message that James has become famous for.
>>
>> I'd like your feedback. Ideally, I'd like to propose this for Linux.com<http://Linux.com> in order to temper the flawed notion of Docker as the panacea of virtualuzation, hopefully before the media swell around his prognostications dies down.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Russ Pavlicek
>> Xen Project Evangelist, Citrix Systems
>> Home Office: +1-301-829-5327<tel:%2B1-301-829-5327>
>> Mobile: +1-240-397-0199<tel:%2B1-240-397-0199>
>> UK VoIP: +44 1223 852 894<tel:%2B44%201223%20852%20894>
>> <Docker has not won the war-the battle is just beginning.odt><Docker has not won the war-the battle is just beginning.pdf>
>
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