RE: [Xen-users] use PCI VGA card on domU, and questions about USB

["Dustin Henning" <Dustin.Henning@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ady,
        You are correct, I failed to realize you were using AMD CPUs, and I 
chose not to use Google.  Regarding AM3, assuming it is an AMD property (and it 
actually occurred to me, en passant, that it was), I don't know anything about 
recent AMD CPUs because I stopped paying attention to them when they went to 
the Athlon XP numbering system, as I don't like marketing BS, and that's 
exactly what that numbering system was (there was only one really really crappy 
processor that the 1700+ might even have compared to).  I used AMD when they 
weren't overpriced and weren't playing the same games Cyrix and Evergreen 
Technologies tried to play, but that was back in the K6-2 days.  On that note, 
the reason the 18 computers I referred to are Intel is because the person for 
whom I built the computers had a bad experience with Intel and would not listen 
to my advice to use AMD (these would have been Athlons, this was before 
Athlon-XP).  The computers I have built since then are all Intel on account of 
the aforementioned reasons that lead me to abandon AMD.  I know that AMD and 
even ATI are sometimes better choices for open-source, but ATI has been in the 
bloatware business longer than nVidia, so I had abandoned them as well, and as 
I already disliked both companies, the merge of AMD and ATI only gave me more 
reason to avoid them both like the plague.  Anyway, I have also built several 
computers over the past 5 years with MSI motherboards, and not one of those has 
died (while an ASUS one has, this was likely due to the power supply and not 
the fault of ASUS), however, I don't know that their support would be any 
better, and they have shortened their warranty length in the last few years.  
It is unfortunate that AMD doesn't make motherboards, as I would recommend 
going that route if they did (the same as I mistakenly recommended Intel).  
Another possibility, again, that may have already been researched, would be a 
SuperMicro motherboard, I always cringe at the one year warranty, but I have 
two servers upstairs that have been running since 2002 with SuperMicro 
motherboards, and they may be even more likely to provide decent support, but I 
don't have the experience with them to confirm or deny that.  Regardless, I 
apologize for going off-topic and providing misguided advice.
        Dustin

-----Original Message-----
From: xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ady Deac
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 00:26
To: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Xen-users] use PCI VGA card on domU, and questions about USB

Hi Dustin,

That's funny. You said you have built 18 computers sometimes in the 
past. And now you are saying you don't know what AM3 refers to. My 
assumption is that you are either banned for using Google, or somebody 
built the computers for you. If you have dared to read at least my post 
(the last post actually, the one you have answered), you would have 
noticed that it's an AMD CPU. And you should have well known that Intel 
_DOES NOT BUILD MOBOS FOR AMD CPUS_!!! You could find mobos with SMD 
chipsets for Intel CPUs, but not viceversa! Loks like a (bad) company 
policy for Intel, if you were to ask me.

So, guys, being such an off topic post, _PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE USE 
GOOGLE FOR ANY WORD YOUR POOR LITTLE BRAIN FAILS TO RECOGNIZE_! This 
will save you from getting slapped every time you open your mouth.

Take care, guys!

On 30.06.2010 16:06, Dustin Henning wrote:
> DEMAINE,
>       I have the same problems you have with product in general.  It is quite 
> unfortunate, and in Windows only environments, I use Gigabyte for those 
> reasons.  That said, how is the longevity of Intel boards?  I know I built 18 
> P4s with Intel boards well over 5 years ago and the only boards that have 
> died were definitely killed by bad power supplies.  I don't know whether or 
> not Intel makes a board that meets your needs (I don't know what AM3 refers 
> to), but if they do, it might be worth considering.  I know you said only one 
> match, but I don't know if a specific supplier had only one match or if you 
> used the Intel MBSG (which doesn't show all boards by any stretch of the 
> imagination, but would certainly show Intel ones).
>       Dustin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DEMAINE 
> Benoit-Pierre
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:38
> To: Ady Deac
> Cc: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Xen-users] use PCI VGA card on domU, and questions about USB
>
> On 30/06/10 07:02, Ady Deac wrote:
>    
>> Hi,
>>
>> All the AMD CPUs (I guess except for the lower end Semprons, but I
>> guess those also apply) from the last (at least 4-5 years) have
>> virtualization caps. It is shown as "svm" in the CPU flags:
>> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=125099
>>
>> Offcourse, the BIOS must support it too. And I guess you need to
>> either buy another mobo (see Gigabyte or Asus), or hammer your mobo
>> producer to release a BIOS to support it. What is your mobo anyways?
>>      
> That's what I forgot to tell about (had so many bugs to fix and report
> yesterday, my mind went wrong).
>
> MA785GT-UD3H
>
> I can not change it, because it's the only one I can use for my needs
> (ATX not micro, AM3, integrated VGA, two large PCI-E ports = only one
> match).
>
> My BIOS says nothing. I tried to start xen with all required options,
> and, after boot, it says options I Asked are disabled (i was following
> the URL I was given earlier): PCI pass throught is not supported.
>
> I am tired fighting with manifacturers. I'll just shutup.
>
>    
>> I'm pretty sure you DO NOT want to have a Gigabyte or Asus board if
>> you are trying to do PCI Passthrough.
>>      
> I am pretty sure you do not want any other manif if you want your MB to
> last 5 to 8 years, and not look at your capacitors burn out in less than
> a year (or many alternative low level issue).
>
>    
>> I have personal experience with ASUS and trying to get them to fix a
>> problem with their BIOS is nearly impossible even when you have
>> Windows and they will talk to you
>>      
> I know. That's why I will shut up.
>
> It does not work. Full stop.
>
> I think only Apple is taking care of features *AND* long term stability.
>
> Any way, the problem is not Gygabyte, Asus, AMD, Intel, Microsoft or
> Apple; the root problems are:
> - x86
> - modern worldwide consumer mentality (buy, use, throught away).
>
> 99% people don't care when what they buy do not do what they paid for.


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