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On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Gordan Bobic <gordan@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 09:20:51 -0700, David Erickson <halcyon1981@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote:
On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 00:04:33 -0700, David Erickson wrote:

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Gordan Bobic wrote:

On 10/07/2013 09:33 PM, David Erickson wrote:
   Hi All-
  Is it possible yet to pass through a ATI or Nvidia GPU as the
primary
  VGA card to a Win 7/8 VM, and have it fully functional there (DXVA
etc),

  Why exactly do you need the card to be primary in domU? IME this
doesn't gain you anything other than being able to see the BIOS
splash
screen and boot animation on the external monitor (which in itself
isn't worth the extra effort).

Primarily it is for htpc functionality like Blu-ray playback software
and Digital Cablecard based playback using devices like a HDHR
Prime. I believe the code that tests for playready (or equivalent)
compatibility always looks at the primary video card and finds it
totally missing any of these features and refuses to play back
properly. I need to verify that having a passed through card as the
primary actually solves these issues, but I think it is a reasonable
hunch (unless anyone else has already tried this and proved it
wrong).

I never used it so cannot comment on it. David Techer maintains a
patch set for Nvidia cards that include primary passthrough support.
The one in particular you will need is the one that gives the VBIOS
loading supprot in domU. Between that and a GTX480 modified to a
Quadro 6000 (VBIOS editing required) you _might_ just be able
to get it to work. I never tried primary passthrough since secondary
passthrough has always worked for all of my requirements.

without crashing the guest or the host during operation or when
  resetting the guest?

  It works fine with Nvidia Quadro cards (real or modified GeForce),
provided your hardware works properly (e.g. no dodgy PCI bridges
(such
as Nvidia NF200) bypassing the IOMMU). The latter is, it turns out,
quite rare - an awful lot of hardware seems to have IOMMU support
broken to some extent.

Is there something special in the bios/firmware that is enabled when
converting these to Quadros?

You have to modify the strap bits. This can be done with a BIOS edit
on cards up to GTX480, or with some soldering on a GTX680 (you will
need good eyes, steady hands, high quality soldering paste and some
pro grade soldering kit (hot air or oven - you might be able to
get away with a really tiny soldering tip, but bear in mind that
you will be looking at soldering both ends of a resistor that is 1mm
long, without shorting it out). If you want the easy option, go
for a GTX480 and BIOS mod it (or a GTX470 -> Quadro 5000 or a
GTS450 (make sure you get a 1GB GDDR5 one) -> Quadro 2000 I have
used all of the above extensively without any issues).

Thanks Gordon, I probably wasn't clear in my question, but when you
convert it from a standard Geforce => Quadro, what is changing at the
card level to make it more compatible with PCI Passthrough and Xen?

GeForce drivers don't implement support for various quirks and
side-effects of running in a VM. Quadro drivers do. You change the
PCI ID of the card by modifying the straps. That makes the card get
detected as a Quadro rather than a GeForce, and the Quadro driver
deals with the quirkyness and side-effects of running in a VM (e.g.
the fact that the physical BARs differ from the virtual BARs).

The hardware between the GeForce and the Quadro is by and large
the same. The reason for the modification is to convince the Quadro
driver the card really is a Quadro and that you paid an extra pile
of cash for the privilege of running it in VGA passthrough.

Is it some feature of the new firmware that is being flashed to the
card?

No, it's a hack to facilitate the use a driver that can handle running
in a VM.

And do Geforce cards just absolutely not work at all prior to
being converted to Quadros?

GeForce cards absolutely do not work with VGA passthrough without
modifications; at least not without an additional, unsupported patch
set which doesn't work for recent cards (4xx cards work, not sure
about the more recent ones), recent drivers (more recent than 275.xx),
and recent OS-es (more recent than XP).

And unless your time really is worthless, getting a GeForce 4xx series
card and modifying it once with no other side effects is a lot less
effort than maintaining your own build of Xen packages with the extra
patches, even if they do work for your specific use-case.

Thanks that made it very clear, and I totally agree on the time point.

Re: [Xen-users] Primary VGA Passthrough Status