Re: [Xen-devel] POD: soft lockups in dom0 kernel

[David Vrabel <david.vrabel@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 06/12/13 11:30, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 06.12.13 at 12:07, David Vrabel <david.vrabel@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> We do not want to disable the soft lockup detection here as it has found
>> a bug.  We can't have tasks that are unschedulable for minutes as it
>> would only take a handful of such tasks to hose the system.
> 
> My understanding is that the soft lockup detection is what its name
> says - a mechanism to find cases where the kernel software locked
> up. Yet that's not the case with long running hypercalls.

Well ok, it's not a lockup in the kernel but it's still a task that
cannot be descheduled for minutes of wallclock time.  This is still a
bug that needs to be fixed.

>> We should put an explicit preemption point in.  This will fix it for the
>> CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY case which I think is the most common
>> configuration.  Or perhaps this should even be a cond_reched() call to
>> fix it for fully non-preemptible as well.
> 
> How do you imagine to do this? When the hypervisor preempts a
> hypercall, all the kernel gets to see is that it drops back into the
> hypercall page, such that the next thing to happen would be
> re-execution of the hypercall. You can't call anything at that point,
> all that can get run here are interrupts (i.e. event upcalls). Or do
> you suggest to call cond_resched() from within
> __xen_evtchn_do_upcall()?

I've not looked at how.

> And even if you do - how certain is it that what gets its continuation
> deferred won't interfere with other things the kernel wants to do
> (since if you'd be doing it that way, you'd cover all hypercalls at
> once, not just those coming through privcmd, and hence you could
> end up with partially completed multicalls or other forms of batching,
> plus you'd need to deal with possibly active lazy modes).

I would only do this for hypercalls issued by the privcmd driver.

David

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