Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH RFC] remus: implement remus replicated checkpointing disk

[Lai Jiangshan <laijs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 03/12/2014 06:06 PM, Ian Campbell wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-03-11 at 11:10 -0700, Shriram Rajagopalan wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Lai Jiangshan <laijs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>         This patch implements remus replicated checkpointing disk.
>>         It includes two parts:
>>           generic remus replicated checkpointing disks framework
>>           drbd replicated checkpointing disks
>>         They will be split into different files in next round.
>>         
>>         The patch is still simple due to disk-setup-teardown-script is
>>         still under implementing. I need to use libxl_ao to implement
>>         it,
>>         but libxl_ao is hard to use. The work sequence is needed to
>>         ugly split
>>         to serveral callbacks like device_hotplug().
>>         
>>         And becuase the remus disk script is unimplemented, the
>>         drbd_setup() code
>>         can't check the disk now. So it just assumes the user config
>>         the disk correctly.
>>         
>>         This patch is *UNTESTED*.
>>         (there is a problem with xl&drbd(without remus) in my BOXes).
>>         
>>         I request *comments* as many as possible.
>>         
>>         Thanks,
>>         Lai
>>         
>>         Signed-off-by: Lai Jiangshan <laijs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>  sorry for the delayed response. And thanks a lot for this initiative.
>> Apart from the inline feedback,
>> there are a few things to consider first before going down this
>> route. 
>>
>>
>> 1. The drbd kernel module required for Remus is still out of tree,
>> currently hosted on a wiki page.
>> The drbd folks didnt want to include the changes into their code
>> unfortunately, as they were offering the
>> same functionality to one of their paid customers. This is what they
>> told me back in 2011 or so.
> 
> That's rather sad.
> 
> Is there a more community contribution friendly project which provides
> similar functionality? A community drdb fork perhaps?
> 
> I don't know how invasive the changes are, but one approach might be to
> ask various distro package maintainers if they would be willing to carry
> a patch which you maintain out of the main drdb tree. You'd only need a
> few of the big ones to say yes for this to be worthwhile.
> 
>> To streamline the storage replication module installation, is there a
>> chance of hosting the code in 
>> xen.org's repos? That way, we could script the download and
>> installation process. Like the qemu
>> stuff.
> 
> I'm very reluctant to add more downloading to the Xen build system, but
> that doesn't rule out hosting something on xenbits. There are also
> things like gitorious and other hosting services.
> 
>> 2. The tapdisk based replication unfortunately is outdated. Please
>> correct me if I have got this wrong.
>> Haven't we decided to get rid of blktap2 and go with the qemu disk
>> models?
> 
> "decided" in so much as noone is interesting in maintaining blktap2.
> qemu is where people are willing to invest the effort so that is where
> things are heading.
> 
>>  In which case, the tapdisk
>> remus code has to be ported into some qemu disk variant.
> 
> Right. I think qemu has some amount of snapshot stuff, but how close it
> is to what remus wants I don't know.
> 
>> Without getting a resolution to the above two, my stance is that we
>> shouldn't pollute xl with functionality
>> that requires out-of-band modules that may prove pretty painful to
>> install for the majority of folks out there.
> 
> This sounds reasonable.

But we shouldn't stop porting remus from xm to xl.
we can mark xl-remus as experimental before a good
remus-replicated-checkpointing-disk is ready(qemu qdisk).

I will keep doing it(with drbd for disks).

Thanks,
Lai

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