Re: [Xen-devel] Xen Project Spectre/Meltdown FAQ

[Peter <xen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 2018-01-09 15:04, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 07:05:56PM +0000, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> > > On 05/01/18 18:16, Rich Persaud wrote:
> > > >> On Jan 5, 2018, at 06:35, Lars Kurth <lars.kurth.xen@xxxxxxxxx
> > > >> <mailto:lars.kurth.xen@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > > >> Linux’s KPTI series is designed to address SP3 only.  For Xen guests,
> > > >> only 64-bit PV guests are affected by SP3. A KPTI-like approach was
> > > >> explored initially, but required significant ABI changes.  
> >
> > Is some partial KPTI-like approach feasible? Like unmapping memory 
> > owned
> > by other guests, but keeping Xen areas mapped? This will still allow
> > leaking Xen memory, but there are very few secrets there (vCPUs state,
> > anything else?), so overall impact will be much lower.
> +1
I believe 
https://blog.xenproject.org/2018/01/04/xen-project-spectremeltdown-faq/ 
is clear re VMs attacking/accessing the host/dom0/hypervisor and the 
mitigations for that.
However the page seems ambiguous about whether 64 bit VMs running as 
PVHv2 with host provided kernels are protected or not (from each VM's 
own processes).
Can the page be updated to be more explicit and perhaps describe how the 
VM kernel or how the PVHv2 virtualization provides that protection.  And 
ideally how that could be checked from the VM itself.  e.g. grep pti 
/proc/cpuinfo?
e.g. the page says: "Guest kernels running in 64-bit PV mode are not 
directly vulnerable to attack using SP3, because 64-bit PV guests 
already run in a KPTI-like mode." but it does not mention PVHv2 for 
that.  Is it protected under PVHv2?  Does it depend on the kernel?  Is 
so what is the patchset/option/mechanism that protects the VM from its 
own processes?


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