Re: [Xen-devel] [RFC PATCH v3 06/12] xen-blkfront: add callbacks for PM suspend and hibernation

["Durrant, Paul" <pdurrant@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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> Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [RFC PATCH v3 06/12] xen-blkfront: add callbacks
> for PM suspend and hibernation
> 
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 09:56:54AM +0000, Durrant, Paul wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Roger Pau Monné <roger.pau@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: 21 February 2020 09:22
> > > To: Durrant, Paul <pdurrant@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Cc: Agarwal, Anchal <anchalag@xxxxxxxxxx>; Valentin, Eduardo
> > > <eduval@xxxxxxxxxx>; len.brown@xxxxxxxxx; peterz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> > > benh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; x86@xxxxxxxxxx; linux-mm@xxxxxxxxx;
> > > pavel@xxxxxx; hpa@xxxxxxxxx; tglx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> sstabellini@xxxxxxxxxx;
> > > fllinden@xxxxxxxxxx; Kamata, Munehisa <kamatam@xxxxxxxxxx>;
> > > mingo@xxxxxxxxxx; xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Singh, Balbir
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> davem@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> > > Woodhouse, David <dwmw@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [RFC PATCH v3 06/12] xen-blkfront: add
> callbacks
> > > for PM suspend and hibernation
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 05:01:52PM +0000, Durrant, Paul wrote:
> > > > > > Hopefully what I said above illustrates why it may not be 100%
> > > common.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, that's fine. I don't expect it to be 100% common (as I guess
> > > > > that the hooks will have different prototypes), but I expect
> > > > > that routines can be shared, and that the approach taken can be
> the
> > > > > same.
> > > > >
> > > > > For example one necessary difference will be that xenbus initiated
> > > > > suspend won't close the PV connection, in case suspension fails.
> On PM
> > > > > suspend you seem to always close the connection beforehand, so you
> > > > > will always have to re-negotiate on resume even if suspension
> failed.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I'm mostly worried about is the different approach to ring
> > > > > draining. Ie: either xenbus is changed to freeze the queues and
> drain
> > > > > the shared rings, or PM uses the already existing logic of not
> > > > > flushing the rings an re-issuing in-flight requests on resume.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, that's needs consideration. I don’t think the same semantic can
> be
> > > suitable for both. E.g. in a xen-suspend we need to freeze with as
> little
> > > processing as possible to avoid dirtying RAM late in the migration
> cycle,
> > > and we know that in-flight data can wait. But in a transition to S4 we
> > > need to make sure that at least all the in-flight blkif requests get
> > > completed, since they probably contain bits of the guest's memory
> image
> > > and that's not going to get saved any other way.
> > >
> > > Thanks, that makes sense and something along this lines should be
> > > added to the commit message IMO.
> > >
> > > Wondering about S4, shouldn't we expect the queues to already be
> > > empty? As any subsystem that wanted to store something to disk should
> > > make sure requests have been successfully completed before
> > > suspending.
> >
> > What about writing the suspend image itself? Normal filesystem I/O
> > will have been flushed of course, but whatever vestigial kernel
> > actually writes out the hibernation file may well expect a final
> > D0->D3 on the storage device to cause a flush.
> 
> Hm, I have no idea really. I think whatever writes to the disk before
> suspend should actually make sure requests have completed, but what
> you suggest might also be a possibility.
> 
> Can you figure out whether there are requests on the ring or in the
> queue before suspending?

Well there's clearly pending stuff in the ring if rsp_prod != req_prod :-) As 
for internal queues, I don't know how blkfront manages that (or whether it has 
any pending work queue at all).

  Paul

> 
> > Again, I don't know the specifics for Linux (and Windows actually
> > uses an incarnation of the crash kernel to do the job, which brings
> > with it a whole other set of complexity as far as PV drivers go).
> 
> That seems extremely complex, I'm sure there's a reason for it :).
> 
> Thanks, Roger.
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