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Re: [PATCH] x86: refine guest_mode()

On 20.05.2020 17:13, Roger Pau Monné wrote:
> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:56:26AM +0200, Jan Beulich wrote:
>> On 18.05.2020 16:51, Roger Pau Monné wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 08:30:12AM +0200, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 27.04.2020 22:11, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>>>>> On 27/04/2020 16:15, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>> On 27.04.2020 16:35, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/04/2020 09:03, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>>>> --- a/xen/include/asm-x86/regs.h
>>>>>>>> +++ b/xen/include/asm-x86/regs.h
>>>>>>>> @@ -10,9 +10,10 @@
>>>>>>>>      /* Frame pointer must point into current CPU stack. */            
>>>>>>>>         \
>>>>>>>>      ASSERT(diff < STACK_SIZE);                                        
>>>>>>>>         \
>>>>>>>>      /* If not a guest frame, it must be a hypervisor frame. */        
>>>>>>>>         \
>>>>>>>> -    ASSERT((diff == 0) || (r->cs == __HYPERVISOR_CS));                
>>>>>>>>         \
>>>>>>>> +    if ( diff < PRIMARY_STACK_SIZE )                                  
>>>>>>>>         \
>>>>>>>> +        ASSERT(!diff || ((r)->cs == __HYPERVISOR_CS));                
>>>>>>>>         \
>>>>>>>>      /* Return TRUE if it's a guest frame. */                          
>>>>>>>>         \
>>>>>>>> -    (diff == 0);                                                      
>>>>>>>>         \
>>>>>>>> +    !diff || ((r)->cs != __HYPERVISOR_CS);                            
>>>>>>>>         \
>>>>>>> The (diff == 0) already worried me before because it doesn't fail safe,
>>>>>>> but this makes things more problematic.  Consider the case back when we
>>>>>>> had __HYPERVISOR_CS32.
>>>>>> Yes - if __HYPERVISOR_CS32 would ever have been to be used for
>>>>>> anything, it would have needed checking for here.
>>>>>>> Guest mode is strictly "(r)->cs & 3".
>>>>>> As long as CS (a) gets properly saved (it's a "manual" step for
>>>>>> SYSCALL/SYSRET as well as #VMEXIT) and (b) didn't get clobbered. I
>>>>>> didn't write this code, I don't think, so I can only guess that
>>>>>> there were intentions behind this along these lines.
>>>>> Hmm - the VMExit case might be problematic here, due to the variability
>>>>> in the poison used.
>>>> "Variability" is an understatement - there's no poisoning at all
>>>> in release builds afaics (and to be honest it seems a somewhat
>>>> pointless to write the same values over and over again in debug
>>>> mode). With this, ...
>>>>>>> Everything else is expectations about how things ought to be laid out,
>>>>>>> but for safety in release builds, the final judgement should not depend
>>>>>>> on the expectations evaluating true.
>>>>>> Well, I can switch to a purely CS.RPL based approach, as long as
>>>>>> we're happy to live with the possible downside mentioned above.
>>>>>> Of course this would then end up being a more intrusive change
>>>>>> than originally intended ...
>>>>> I'd certainly prefer to go for something which is more robust, even if
>>>>> it is a larger change.
>>>> ... what's your suggestion? Basing on _just_ CS.RPL obviously won't
>>>> work. Not even if we put in place the guest's CS (albeit that
>>>> somewhat depends on the meaning we assign to the macro's returned
>>>> value).
>>> Just to check I'm following this correctly, using CS.RPL won't work
>>> for HVM guests, as HVM can legitimately use a RPL of 0 (which is not
>>> the case for PV guests). Doesn't the same apply to the usage of
>>> __HYPERVISOR_CS? (A HVM guest could also use the same code segment
>>> value as Xen?)
>> Of course (and in particular Xen as a guest would). My "Basing on
>> _just_ CS.RPL" wasn't meant to exclude the rest of the selector,
>> but to contrast this to the case where "diff" also is involved in
>> the calculation (which looks to be what Andrew would prefer to see
>> go away).
>>>> Using current inside the macro to determine whether the
>>>> guest is HVM would also seem fragile to me - there are quite a few
>>>> uses of guest_mode(). Which would leave passing in a const struct
>>>> vcpu * (or domain *), requiring to touch all call sites, including
>>>> Arm's.
>>> Fragile or slow? Are there corner cases where guest_mode is used where
>>> current is not reliable?
>> This question is why I said "there are quite a few uses of
>> guest_mode()" - auditing them all is just one side of the medal.
>> The other is to prevent a new use appearing in the future that
>> can be reached by a call path in the time window where a lazy
>> context switch is pending (i.e. when current has already been
>> updated, but register state hasn't been yet).
>>>> Compared to this it would seem to me that the change as presented
>>>> is a clear improvement without becoming overly large of a change.
>>> Using the cs register is already part of the guest_mode code, even if
>>> just in debug mode, hence I don't see it as a regression from existing
>>> code. It however feels weird to me that the reporter of the issue
>>> doesn't agree with the fix, and hence would like to know if there's a
>>> way we could achieve consensus on this.
>> Indeed. I'd be happy to make further adjustments, if only I had a
>> clear understanding of what is wanted (or why leaving things as
>> they are is better than a little bit of an improvement).
> OK, so I think I'm starting to understand this all. Sorry it's taken
> me so long. So it's my understanding that diff != 0 can only happen in
> Xen context, or when in an IST that has a different stack (ie: MCE, NMI
> or DF according to current.h) and running in PV mode?
> Wouldn't in then be fine to use (r)->cs & 3 to check we are in guest
> mode if diff != 0? I see a lot of other places where cs & 3 is already
> used to that effect AFAICT (like entry.S).

Technically this would be correct afaics, but the idea with all this
is (or should I say "looks to be"?) to have the checks be as tight as
possible, to make sure we don't mistakenly consider something "guest
mode" which really isn't. IOW your suggestion would be fine with me
if we could exclude bugs anywhere in the code. But since this isn't
realistic, I consider your suggestion to be relaxing things by too




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