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Re: [Xen-users] filesystem image of Fedora Core for Xen?

Xen is BIG because it is part of a bigger perspective -- as I mentioned.  I also indicated in my first email that this project of providing Xen-based Dom 0 (images and source) as a kind of distribution is more of a user project than a development effort -- and try to get this -- it is supportive (to specifically Xen development -- not the look alikes).  As a user project and if it flys  (I guaranteee this one thing) it will quickly move Xen and it's potential out into the global user community because the technical aspects of the build have been obviated by the distribution. Big sentence for a big idea. There are literally thousands of semi technical linux users that would love to take their single machine and be able to "throw" it together using something like Xen.  They just need it to be a simply achievable deal where they won't get bogged down in compilation errors and other mysteries of the software development universe.  And I don't blame them -- everyone cannot be a Teckee or a Doctor or a Teacher.  Lot's of Linux users have never seen a coding language.  But for everyone, Xen makes their machine much more than a specific OS (that they compare to Windooze) and opens to them eventually all i86 based Operating Systems. And, as I said previously, Xen has the "advantage" of being part of a "BIGGER" more impressive and thrilling perspective of interest to many big companies now participating in Xen development and other Cambridge projects. Xen is BIG and thrilling.  Watch it grow!!!  I personally think that Xen or a product grown out of Xen will constitute the future Operating System installed on computers -- instead of Windooze or Linux or BSD, etc.  These DomU types will become available as a choice but something like Xen will be the basis of installation.  That's where I think the industry is going.

Thanks -- Ted

Kristinn Soffanias Runarsson wrote:
Ted, I agree... I think that people are too afraid to go on their own
with this, afraid to piss someone off.  Everybody is afraid of forks
and forking this and forking that.  Haven't seen that happen on
anything big yet.

Let's take our ideas and make something of them, put them on-line and
get people to comment and flame.  I think that will help the promotion
of Xen if we were just to make available something so small and easy
as creating dom0 dists and domU guests..  Just think about how many
geeks have tried out Xen when fedoraproject.org put up a small HOWTO
on their wiki.

for the record, I still don't consider putting together images as
'development'.   I couldn't write bytecode to say 'Hello World' even
if my life was at stake.


On Apr 3, 2005 2:02 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 My nose is plugged - I have to breath through my mouth.
 I'm glad you think such a project is "cool" -- so do I, maybe others, maybe
 Because Xen is in development (with a so called stable version) is all the
more reason to promote Xen not a reason to shy away from it.  In addition,
Xen is part of several related projects like Xenoboot for example and a
larger and impressive perspective of networking.  Therefore supporting Xen
in a way is also supporting the other Cambridge projects aimed at the
betterment of networking of which Xen is a part.  Anyway, I have complete
confidence in the Xen development team.  Also, I see no harm to anyone and
only help to others in providing this service if it is an acceptable one as
far as the development team is concerned.  I have not heard from them yet on
this issue -- they are probably busy making the greatest product ever.
 Thanks - Ted
 Kristinn Soffanias Runarsson wrote:
 Please Ted, save the marketing speak (FREE, NO CHARGE etc.)

Your idea is great, and I honour you... putting together a Dom0 dist
would be cool.

I´m gonna be focusing on getting domU (guests if you will) working. 
I'm quite happy with my dom0 setup (imho you don't set up/trash dom0's
everyday.. that's what the domU's are for).

If you wanna try out a Dom0, install Fedora Core4-test1 or FC3 and
pull Xen in from development. I've also preordered SuSE 9.3 because
they say they will be packaging Xen functionality there.

Also.. keep in mind Ted, that Xen is in development, breathe through your

peace and love,

On Apr 3, 2005 1:37 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 This is getting confused.
 Okay, you were talking about DomU but I sort of thought you would be
interested in doing Dom 0. I looked at the site you provided and (forgive
me if I got it wrong as I often do) that is nothing to do with Xen. I want
to find people -- if there are any -- interested in building an Xen-based
(linux [Fedora, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake and the rest]) Dom 0 system
installations in a way that they can be downloaded or put on DVD as an
installation disk -- a kind of distribution if you will. In my opinion this
would be a real service I could supply to the Xen community as I know of
many people struggling to get Xen working or even afraid to try because of
the time involved if problems turn up as they do for many. At least with
working models they would be over the Dom 0 threshold and maybe looking at
DomU issues. Right? A fully working (all tools based on most recent stable
versions) and NO CHARGE service is what I am talking about consistent with
Open and Free software development. If there are such people then I would
provide the facilities -- FREE. So my previous email still stands and it
looks as if you are not interested in participating in such an effort.
 Thanks -- Ted
 aq wrote:
 On Apr 3, 2005 9:30 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 If I understand you, you seem to be saying that for various distributions
like Mandrake, Fedora Core, Gentoo, SuSE, etc., you are willing to produce
Xen-based (Dom 0) linux base systems and put them on line???
 no, that is domU, not dom0

 I was going to ask the developers of Xen to consider this as a facet of
their operation but I don't think their mandate allows them to do this or
they don't see doing this directly in line with what they are doing. 

I think everything is fine. if you ever used QEMU, you must know the
site hosting the qemu images (www.freeoszoo.org) ? the situation is
same here.


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