RE: [Xen-users] Windows on XEN with Vanderpool - or "AMD availability" ;)

["Petersson, Mats" <Mats.Petersson@xxxxxxx>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marco
> Sent: 31 May 2006 19:53
> To: Petersson, Mats
> Cc: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Marco; jerry@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Windows on XEN with Vanderpool - or 
> "AMD availability" ;)
> 
> The CPU is of course not PIN-compatible. But due to HT 2.0 
> the mainboard developers can use the old "Bridge" Chips. So 
> its _possible_ that HVM does not work. I am not sure, if 
> there are changes needed in the additional equipment so that 
> its working...

Now, either I don't know something that I should know, or you've
misunderstood something. SVM is implemented fully inside the processor.
What peripheral chips are used shouldn't make any difference - do you
have any information indicating otherwise? In fact, one of my
test-platforms has the old PCI-X bridge chips on it, and it works just
fine for running Xen... I fail to see the connection, really... 

--
Mats
> 
> Regards, Bigfoot29
> 
> 
> Petersson, Mats wrote:
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>[mailto:xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marco
> >>Sent: 31 May 2006 07:25
> >>To: jerry@xxxxxxx; xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>Subject: RE: [Xen-users] Windows on XEN with Vanderpool - or "AMD 
> >>availability" ;)
> >>
> >>You are right. They are said to be on stocks for a couple 
> of days now.
> >>But to tell the truth, at least here they aren't. Yes, there is the 
> >>FX.
> >>The price alone tells you "hands off!". And yes, there is the
> >>3500+ and
> >>3800+ (single core). But who will use that? If you wanted to habe a
> >>3500+ you could and get the Stepping E's as well. The
> >>_interesting_ CPUs
> >>- named the X2 ones for server application use - are not 
> delivered to 
> >>the stores before 02.06.06 - what means another week waiting ;)
> >>
> >>As for your "no new motherboard" - I would be carefull there...
> >>basically they CAN use their old motherboard. Only changes 
> needed are 
> >>the other socket and more data lines to the memory.
> >>So there _could_ be problems.
> > 
> > 
> > As far as I'm aware, the new Socket AM2 is NOT compatible 
> with older 
> > socket 939 (and of course not 754).
> > 
> > Of course, a 3500+ in Stepping F would only be useful if you either 
> > want virtualization support, or want to use DDR2 memory. 
> Both of these 
> > are new features in the new revision of the processor, and 
> not present 
> > (at
> > all) in the older stepping.
> > 
> > --
> > Mats
> > 
> >>However, my X2 is already preordered. Can't wait getting my 
> hands on 
> >>them testing the HVM-capatibilities (what was the major 
> reason buying 
> >>that thing XD )
> >>
> >>Regards, Bigfoot29
> >>
> >>
> >>>Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:55:24 +0200
> >>>From: "Petersson, Mats" <Mats.Petersson@xxxxxxx>
> >>>Subject: RE: [Xen-users] Windows on XEN with Vanderpool
> >>>To: "Jerry Amundson" <jerry@xxxxxxx>, xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>Message-ID: 
> >>
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> >>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>[mailto:xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry 
> >>>>Amundson
> >>>>Sent: 27 May 2006 16:53
> >>>>To: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Windows on XEN with Vanderpool
> >>>>
> >>>>On Sat May 27 2006 08:26, Marco wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>I threw together a wiki on HVM along these lines...
> >>>>>>http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/HVM_Compatible_Processors
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I have seen that the AMD-CPUs are missing...
> >>>>>You can safely add "All AMD Athlon64 CPUs in a AM2 Socket
> >>
> >>(Stepping
> >>
> >>>>>F)" to the list. They rare all intend to have Pacifica on board.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>(Note: Athlon64, not Semperons. They are lacking exactly that
> >>>>>feature)
> >>>>
> >>>>I see this information as useful towards a purchase decision. 
> >>>>I'd rather leave it TBD, and only include processors 
> available for 
> >>>>sale currently.
> >>>>Although the statement above is safe, as a new user I'd find it 
> >>>>misleading as I might believe my current AMD Athlon64 CPU 
> in a AM2 
> >>>>Socket (Stepping F) to be HVM-capable, only to end up with
> >>
> >>"Error: Not
> >>
> >>>>an HVM capable platform, we stop creating!"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>They are available for sale now - ok, so your local Fry's
> >>
> >>or PC World
> >>
> >>>may not have any in stock, but they are available to buy from AMD.
> >>>
> >>>AMD's press-release:
> >>>
> >>
> >>http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_10
> 4_543~1086
> >>
> >>>05
> >>>,00.html
> >>>
> >>>I managed to find at least one web-site that advertise the FX-62 
> >>>processor (and several other AM2 processors) for sale, so
> >>
> >>it appears
> >>
> >>>that it is possible to order them from retailers.
> >>>
> >>
> >>http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-det
> ails.asp?E
> >>
> >>>dp No=2207290&Sku=CP1-AM2-FX62&SRCCODE=CNETFEED&CMP=OTC-CNETFEED
> >>>
> >>>I have no connection with the Tigerdirect company, it's purely a 
> >>>result of googling for FX-62, which is one of the AM2 
> processors. I 
> >>>have no clue whether this is a good, bad or ugly retailer...
> >>>
> >>>All Athlon/Opteron/Turion brand products in AM2 sockets 
> should have 
> >>>SVM (please don't use Pacifica, as that's the internal
> >>
> >>code-name, and
> >>
> >>>it is under copyright by some other company... The proper 
> terms are 
> >>>"AMD Virtualization technology" or "Secure Virtual Machine", the 
> >>>latter shortened to SVM.)
> >>>
> >>>As the processor requires a new motherboard, there's less
> >>
> >>likelyhood
> >>
> >>>for the trouble that some people have had with Intel
> >>
> >>systems where the
> >>
> >>>enabling of VT doesn't work or isn't available...  As far
> >>
> >>as I know,
> >>
> >>>there are no Rev F processors that doesn't have
> >>
> >>virtualization, aside
> >>
> >>>from the Sempron models (which is one of the
> >>
> >>differentiating factors
> >>
> >>>between Sempron and the more expensive models - not sure what else 
> >>>besides the obvious cache size differences... Although I 
> can't find 
> >>>any list of differences and there's currently no AM2
> >>
> >>docuementation on
> >>
> >>>the Web-site, besides the simple compare products pages,
> >>
> >>which don't
> >>
> >>>git much details, unfortunately).
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Mats
> >>
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