Re: [Xen-users] Offer to help on CentOs4-4

[Xen Help <steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Tim Post wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 10:52 -0600, Xen Help wrote:
>
>   
> > You are right, it would not be a viable business model and I always pay 
> > for these services, thank you for confirming it.
> > I do not know how they could make money if the open source version would 
> > work, that makes a lot of sense.
> >     
> What, exactly are you implying? While you are having issues getting
> things working, I have over (now) 400+ servers happily in production all
> using Xen, most of them owned by some of the larger hosting companies in
> the US.
>
> Remember that Fedora , *at best* is an experimental OS, updates
> frequently and is prone to breakage in its normal non virtualized state.
>
> You may consider using a slightly more stable platform rather than
> pointing the finger at Xen. Debian-ish OS's may be easier for you to
> manage.
>
>   
> > Again right, except for the thinking and crying part as I follow the 
> > instructions only, remember I made it work for 2 years and now all 
> > updates are not working anymore, obviously something has changed, when 
> > you rpm -Fvh packages and it breaks things, where are you forced to go 
> > when the list cannot or will not help? Are you working for Xensource? 
> > Its true your comment about that it would not be a good business model 
> > if people could simply install it and work.
> >     
> Many people do simply install it and it works. Again, what exactly are
> you implying? If you want to imply Xen is "baitware" then do it but you
> better have a Beowulf backing your mail server, as you will have
> effectively pissed off anyone reading this list. You're bordering on it
> now.
>
> Xen is free. The lists supporting it are free, you're using a free OS, I
> don't quite get what your problem is. With the overtone you are
> projecting, however, I'm having an easy time understanding why you
> aren't successful finding help on the lists.
>
>
>   
> > I never used Vmware, but my IT friends are selling it to me as bad as I 
> > use to sell them the beauty of Xen, don't get me wrong (as you seems to 
> > have) if I decide to switch it would not be by choice. Is Xen source 
> > offering the service you describe above? If yes that might be why I 
> > would rather stick to open source.
> > You cannot be everything and yes I am no kernel expert even if I do and 
> > patch all my linux kernels (before Xen) without much problems, I must 
> > admit the Xen source one is tricky, but you are here to sell or maybe to 
> > help us all, aren't you?
> >     
> Nobody is trying to sell you anything, again, please explain exactly
> what you are implying.
>
>   
> >  >
> >  > BTW, iptables, CentOS 4.4, and recent domU kernels work _fine_ together.
> >
> > Thanks again for confirming what I thought I had read somewhere, then 
> > you claim it too that it works, so WHY don't you tell us you secret?
> > Better than that, I'll PAY you the XenServer license (I believe it is 
> > $99) so you can share your detailed how to to get CentOS 4-4 to boot 
> > dom0 and domU until it works flawlessly with iptables. You seems to be 
> > an expert so the right initrd ram drives should be easy to do for you as 
> > you obviously have the knowledge I am missing, would you share it we me 
> > and the list? My offer is valid only until the 25th.
> > How about that?
> >     
> Can you refrain from insulting people? You can't fix everything by
> throwing money at it. Your 'how about that' attitude is an insult to
> everyone here who gives their time to help people get the most out of
> Xen. People here don't offer help to try to 'seed' future monetary
> reward, they do it because they enjoy doing it. Is this jab at
> XenSource, or the Xen community? Again you're really on thin ice either
> way you answer. 
>
> The attitude is pedantic, condescending and given your (lack of)
> experience is like a schoolkid mouthing off to a teacher trying to help
> them.
>
> If you hope to get their [the list] help, you may want to look at your
> part of making the experience enjoyable. 
>
> I seldom chirp in and the last thing I like to do is 'fan flames' but in
> this (rare) instance I feel compelled.
>
> You make me remember a quote from a movie :
>
> "I tried to see things from your perspective, there simply was not
> enough room for two heads up your a$$".
>
> I tried to find something positive in all of your posts. I couldn't ,
> and not from lack of effort.
>
> Be positive, be productive, be proactive or be someone else's problem :)
> Xen was not built so you can offer license free VPS's to the world,
> please stop acting as if it was or go buy a copy of Virtuozzo.
>   
Your opinions is yours only.

My sincere apologies if anyone on this list has been or felt insulted by 
my messages, it is not and was not my intentions. I try not to be as 
described BUT words can and are interpreted at an individual level and 
it seems to have aroused your anger.
I disagree however about _all_ my postings being or sounding like the 
description you provide which is not how I am, I have much respect for 
every open source developpers.
I very much prefer Xen over any other technology, I might now feel the 
pressure and frustration of my unanswered questions, but this is MY 
problem. I will try not to share anymore any of my team's problems with 
Xen in any colourful ways.
Please do accept my apologies, you and any and all other members which I 
might have offended.
++

> Best,
> -Tim
>
>
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