Re: [Xen-users] Xen 3.2 on debian dom0 2.6.18 x86_64 running Windows XP SP3 : gplpv 0.9.11pre11 not working

[Peter Van Biesen <peter.vanbiesen@xxxxxxx>]

Hi Dustin,

an update :

- I reinstalled windows XP
- added SP1a an SP2 ( this is necessary for .net 2.0 )

On a snapshot, I installed 0.9.11pre12. All drivers have an exclamation mark.

I reverted to SP2 and installed 0.9.10. Windows hangs on the splash screen.

The only thing I can conclude is that the gplpv drivers do not work with my 
specific version of windows xp. Is it because it is a dutch version ? A 
specific build ? Is this possible ( I'm a complete windows novice ) ?

Kindest regards,

Peter.

On Wednesday 20 August 2008 14:48:10 Dustin Henning wrote:
> Peter,
>       I would most definitely try rebuilding if you have the time.  It is
> possible that following the cleanup steps from the wiki might work, but I
> never had much luck with them.  After a rebuild, I would set up a snapshot,
> try 0.9.10 again, and wait for the add new hardware windows to disappear (I
> don't know if this should happen in 0.9.11-preX as well or not), hopefully
> at this point, all of the drivers work.  The xenvbd driver is the disk
> driver, so if it isn't working right, it's no wonder the system locks up and
> goes to 100% CPU, xenhide is preventing Windows from seeing the qemu
> disk(s), and the driver for the xen ones (xenvbd) isn't working.  If the
> same problem were encountered, I would drop changes from the snapshot, try
> the new 0.9.11-pre12, and respond to the thread about it with any problems
> and a brief history of your experience thus far (dutch Windows, version of
> Debian, version of Xen, versions of GPLPV tried, issues encountered).  He
> may have some more insight on Debian, or he may be able to gather additional
> information to potentially test or fix your problem if it is related to the
> Dutch version [I am assuming it is a fully different version, but truthfully
> I don't know whether it's the same version with a language pack or a
> different version, and neither would surprise me]).  Good luck,
>       Dustin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Van Biesen
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 05:45
> To: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Xen 3.2 on debian dom0 2.6.18 x86_64 running
> Windows XP SP3 : gplpv 0.9.11pre11 not working
> 
> Hi Dustin,
> 
> I found this thread too and I tried without the cdrom devices already. This
> makes no difference.
> 
> I reverted and installed the 0.9.10. I only get "the device was not plugged
> in" error twice now. The devices still have an exclamation mark in the
> device manager but the "add new hardware" dialog does disappear after a
> while. After reboot, windows seems to hang on the splash screen. I then
> disabled usb ( this is sometimes an issue when hanging on mup.sys ), and now
> the screen goes black and the domu uses 100% CPU. At the third reboot, I
> select safe mode and behold - windows boots. 
> 
> When looking in the device manager, only the xen vbd driver had an
> exclamation mark. The network drivers seems to work ( I had now some 10
> network devices ). I disabled the vdb driver and rebooted. Again a hang on a
> black screen.
> 
> So, basically, after installation of the driver, the only way to get windows
> back online is to
> 1) disable usb
> 2) boot in safe mode
> 
> Maybe I should completely reinstall windows xp ? 
> 
> Concerning performance : I pick my users carefully. First migrate users who
> only use mail, browser and occasionally office. They do not need much
> diskperformance, in fact, they do not even know if an application is running
> on their pc or on the network ( browser ). Once you have a userbase that is
> satisfied with the performance, migrate a somewhat heavier user. If he
> complains, you can tell him : look, there are 10 users happy why you're not
> ? This buys you some time to figure the problem out en gets the user off
> your back. This is where I'm now.
> 
> Never ever start with power users !! It is my experience that most of the
> userbase don't care where or how their OS is running - even 3/4 of our
> developers don't care, as long as the performance is ok. For the 1/4
> developers who do care, don't bitch and just give them a standalone machine.
> It is really a win-win situation with xen, we have the control over the
> hardware while they have control over their windows game console ... er OS
> *cough* :-) .
> 
> But definitely need the gplpv drivers to work if I am to migrate most of my
> users.
> 
> Anyway, thanks for the advise.
> 
> Peter.
> 
> On Tuesday 19 August 2008 14:50:19 Dustin Henning wrote:
> > Peter,
> >     OK, first and foremost, I think I forgot to mention this thread in
> > my last response:
> > http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2008-08/msg00428.html
> > I bring it up now because I looked over your config again and noticed the
> > two CD-ROM drives.  It may be that you need to get rid of them as this may
> > be a new problem with 0.9.11-pre11 (if you really need those images
> mounted
> > in Windows, you might be able to use something like Elby Virtual Clone
> Drive
> > [http://elby.ch/fun/software/index.html] to mount those images from within
> > the domU, but I don't know if this can be done automatically [might
> require
> > manual remount after each reboot]).
> >     I haven't even messed with 0.9.11-preX, I am running 0.9.10.  Seeing
> > as how you had problems with it, my only thought is that if the installer
> > changed for 0.9.11-pre11 vs 0.9.10, you might revert again and try 0.9.10
> to
> > see if the add new hardware windows disappear on their own given a bit of
> > time.  I know I've had hanging like that in the past with previous
> versions,
> > and it seems like in some cases waiting long enough would make it work
> > (though not necessarily with the performance the drivers are supposed to
> > provide) and in others I had to restore (or rebuild) Windows, and try
> again,
> > as it used to (and may still) be absolutely crucial that the drivers are
> > installed on a clean system, but I honestly don't remember all the details
> > here.  Alternatively, since 0.9.10 caused your system to hang, you might
> try
> > the suggestion mentioned here on 0.9.11-pre11 (even though the issue being
> > resolved appears to be unrelated and has potentially been solved in
> pre11):
> > http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2008-08/msg00203.html
> >     I think the risk with doing that (disabling the xenhide.sys driver)
> > is that if the system loads the qemu drivers and the gplpv drivers at the
> > same time you will get massive HD corruption (should not be a big deal
> with
> > a snapshot).  However, for the record, I am shooting in the dark on all
> > counts here (I haven't suggested anything I wouldn't try, but that doesn't
> > mean I haven't suggested some things others wouldn't recommend trying), so
> > don't get your hopes up.  Unless removing the 0.9.10 drivers was done via
> a
> > method other than reverting to a backup/snapshot (you said removing them
> via
> > device manager and it has always taken more steps than that) or the
> drivers
> > and their installation methods changed quite a bit between 0.9.10 and
> > 0.9.11-pre11 (assuming you didn't get the same error on 0.9.10), the error
> > ending in "but can't find the device itself" might ultimately have
> something
> > to do with your environment (for instance, perhaps your version of Windows
> > is different or there is an issue with your version of debian).  I think
> > James usually spends more time dealing with his drivers and the list on
> > weekends, so it might be a few days or a couple weeks before you hear much
> > from him, but unless you luck out somehow, that's probably what it will
> > take.
> >     Finally, as an aside, regarding your thread on the performance of
> > the GPLPV drivers, it surprises me that your users haven't complained
> about
> > performance with qemu drivers, they must be easy to please.  The
> difference
> > is most certainly noticeable and worth the trouble.
> >     Dustin
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Van
> Biesen
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 04:47
> > To: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Xen 3.2 on debian dom0 2.6.18 x86_64 running
> > Windows XP SP3 : gplpv 0.9.11pre11 not working
> > 
> > Hi Dustin,
> > 
> > reverting is a matter of seconds, as I am running my domU on a lvm
> snapshot
> > volume.
> > 
> > I tried installing again. When I got the new hardware windows, I did
> > nothing, but they did nog go away. So I hit cancel on every one.
> > 
> > In the device manager, the xen devices still had the exclamation mark. 
> > 
> > I then added the /gplpv line in the boot.ini and rebooted. This worked
> fine
> > ! But windows still didn't use the xen drivers ( no change in the counters
> > in xm top ). The drivers still have the exclamation mark and every time I
> > reboot I get all the "new hardware" windows again and again. 
> > 
> > I had installed the 0.9.10 drivers last week, this made windows hang, but
> > the counters in xm top did go up.
> > 
> > I removed all faulty drivers from the device manager and rebooted. When I
> > then look at the devices, no drivers are installed. I then installed them
> > one by one and get error :
> > 
> > " Windows has loaded the driver in memory, but can't find the device
> itself
> > ( code 41 )" ( this is a translation from dutch )
> > 
> > Any suggestions ?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Peter.
> > 
> > On Monday 18 August 2008 17:32:37 Dustin Henning wrote:
> > >   I don't remember what version this applies to, but at one point,
> > when 
> > > installing, I was going through the "new hardware" windows and letting 
> > > Windows install the drivers automatically.  I had problems when I did
> > this.
> > > After recovering to a pre GPLPV-installed environment, I ran the 
> > > installer again and let it deal with these windows.  They eventually 
> > > disappeared without me even clicking next and then everything worked 
> > > great.  I tried this because that is how some Windows driver 
> > > installers work (i.e. most mainboard RealTek sound drivers).  However, 
> > > this may not help you, as this may have been with an installer for a 
> > > previous version that didn't have the "the device is not plugged in, 
> > > cannot update driver" error, which I believe was added to prevent
> > confusion when upgrading from one version to another.
> > > Hopefully someone else can come back with more/better information, but 
> > > in the meantime, odds are that you'll need to get to a pre 
> > > GPLPV-installed state (restore from backup) and try again, so if 
> > > getting back to that state is easy and you want to try the install 
> > > again before anyone else responds, just don't interfere with the parts 
> > > of the install that look like they need manual intervention for a while
> > and see what happens.  Good luck,
> > >   Dustin
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Van 
> > > Biesen
> > > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 09:05
> > > To: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [Xen-users] Xen 3.2 on debian dom0 2.6.18 x86_64 running 
> > > Windows XP
> > > SP3 : gplpv 0.9.11pre11 not working
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I installed a debian xen server using the 3.2 xen hypervisor and the 
> > > 2.6.18 xen enabled kernel ( from stable ) x86_64 . I installed a 32bit 
> > > windows xp using hvm. This all worked perfectly. Networking and disk io
> > work.
> > > 
> > > I installed SP1a, SP3 and the .net 2.0 framework.
> > > 
> > > I then tried to install the gplpv drivers. I downloaded the 
> > > 0.9.11pre11 and installed it.
> > > 
> > > While installation, I get "the device is not plugged in, cannot update 
> > > driver" 6 times, installation of the driver seems to work ( windows 
> > > complains a couple of times that it cannot verify the drivers are of 
> > > its own 'high' standard ). After installation, I get several "new
> > hardware" windows.
> > > I let windows install the default drivers ( which are the gplpv drivers
> ).
> > > 
> > > I then reboot the domU ( without altering the boot.ini ). In the 
> > > device manager, the vbd xen devices and the xen net device all have a 
> > > exclamation mark on them. The only xen device working without problems 
> > > is "xen pci device driver".
> > > 
> > > All drivers have the same error : Code 12 : insufficient free 
> > > resources ( its a dutch installation, so this is a translation ).
> > > 
> > > When I edit the boot.ini to add the /gplpv and boot with that, I get 
> > > een BSOD on Mup.sys.
> > > 
> > > Here's my config. Strangely enough, I do not need to put any ioemu 
> > > stuff in the file for windows to boot ( maybe this is new in 3.2 ? ):
> > > ------------------------------------
> > > kernel = "/usr/lib/xen-default/boot/hvmloader"
> > > builder='hvm'
> > > memory = 512
> > > name = "windows2"
> > > disk = [
> > > 'phy:/dev/vg00/windows2-snap,hda,w','file:/root/winxp-nl-setup-Q6TD9-9
> > > FMQ3-F 
> > > RVF4-VPF7Y-38JV3.iso,hdc:cdrom,r','file:/root/wintemp.iso,hdd:cdrom,r'
> > > , ] vif = [ 'bridge=eth0,mac=00:16:3E:00:02:01', ] device_model = 
> > > '/usr/lib/xen-default/bin/qemu-dm'
> > > 
> > > boot='cd'
> > > sdl=0
> > > vnc=1
> > > vnclisten="0.0.0.0"
> > > vncunused=1
> > > acpi=1
> > > apic=0
> > > pae=1
> > > usb = 1
> > > usbdevice = 'tablet'
> > > #serial="pty"
> > > ----------------------------------
> > > 
> > > Does anybody have an idea of what could be wrong ?
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > 
> > > Peter.
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