Re: [Xen-users] Debian Repository

["Ian Tobin" <itobin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Can you compie the kernel from kernel.org and also compile xen from xen.org 
 and it work under pv op?
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On 13 Jan 2010, at 11:46, Pasi KÃrkkÃinen <pasik@xxxxxx> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:37:12AM -0000, Ian Tobin wrote:
> > Right im with you.
> >
> > I take it the XENpatches are better though because they are not so  
> > generic and have better performance
> At the moment the original "Xenlinux" patches, or the various
> forward-ports of them (by Novel/OpenSUSE), might be faster than  
> pv_ops.
> Also pv_ops dom0 patches are still lacking some features.. but
> development is happening all the time, so that will get fixed in the
> near future.
>
> In the future pv_ops (domU and dom0) is meant to be the one and only  
> correct solution.
> -- Pasi
>
> > Ian
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pasi KÃrkkÃinen [mailto:pasik@xxxxxx]
> > Sent: 13 January 2010 11:34
> > To: Ian Tobin
> > Cc: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Debian Repository
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:30:24AM -0000, Ian Tobin wrote:
> > > Ok i think i understand all that :)
> > >
> > > So if  compiled the the latest kernel enabling the xen options i  
> > > can run a DomU on the pv_ops framework?
> > Yes, the upstream Linux kernel can be used as Xen PV domU kernel.
> >
> > Distributions like Fedora 10, Fedora 11, Fedora 12 contain pv_ops  
> > based
> > Xen PV domU kernels out-of-the-box.
> >
> > pv_ops makes it possible to run the exact same kernel binary on both
> > baremetal (without Xen) and on Xen PV domU/guest!
> >
> > -- Pasi
> >
> > > Ian
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Pasi KÃrkkÃinen [mailto:pasik@xxxxxx]
> > > Sent: 13 January 2010 11:10
> > > To: Ian Tobin
> > > Cc: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Debian Repository
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:56:04AM -0000, Ian Tobin wrote:
> > > > Sorry im a bit confused, why have they added DomU support but no  
> > > > Dom0 support?
> > > It's a long story. The 'original' Xenlinux patches (around Linux  
> > > 2.6.18 timeframe,
> > > including dom0 support) were submitted for inclusion in upstream  
> > > Linux,
> > > but the patches were considered too intrusive, ie. they modified too
> > > much non-Xen generic x86 code, so the patches were not accepted  
> > > into Linux.
> > > That's when Xensource, VMware etc started working on a general
> > > paravirtualization framework for Linux. This was called pv_ops  
> > > (paravirt_ops).
> > > It took a long time to get the generic pv_ops framework in shape  
> > > and merged in Linux,
> > > and then after that Xen pv_ops domU support was merged in mainline  
> > > Linux.
> > > See here for history/changelog: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenParavirtOps
> > >
> > > Today upstream/mainline Linux contains Xen domU support using the  
> > > pv_ops framework.
> > > > I was under the impression that pv_ops replaces Dom0 and you can  
> > > > run domU on pv_ops?
> > > Jeremy (from Citrix/Xensource) is working on adding dom0 support to
> > > Linux pv_ops, so that mainline Linux can function as a dom0 kernel.
> > >
> > > Currently pv_ops dom0 patches are in Jeremy's git tree, and not yet
> > > accepted into upstream Linux. Jeremy is working hard on this.
> > >
> > > See XenParavirtOps wiki page for status updates.
> > >
> > > > That saying do i need a Dom0 if using pv_ops ?
> > > Uhm.. you always need dom0 to manage and run Xen.
> > > Dom0 kernel can be based on pv_ops, or the old 'xenlinux' patches.
> > >
> > > Hopefully that clears it up.
> > >
> > > -- Pasi
> > >
> > > > Ian
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Pasi KÃrkkÃinen [mailto:pasik@xxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: 13 January 2010 09:59
> > > > To: Ian Tobin
> > > > Cc: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Debian Repository
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 09:30:52AM -0000, Ian Tobin wrote:
> > > > > Just another quick one, if i downloaded the latest kernel from kernel.org 
> > > > >  and compiled it would this have support for the latest XEN  
> > > > > release?
> > > > vanilla kernel from kernel.org has Xen domU (guest) support  
> > > > included,
> > > > using the Linux pv_ops framework.
> > > >
> > > > Dom0 support is not yet included in kernel.org kernels.
> > > >
> > > > List of various dom0 capable kernels and patches here:
> > > > http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenDom0Kernels
> > > >
> > > > -- Pasi
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Pasi KÃrkkÃinen [mailto:pasik@xxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: 13 January 2010 09:23
> > > > > To: Ian Tobin
> > > > > Cc: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Debian Repository
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 09:07:17AM -0000, Ian Tobin wrote:
> > > > > > If Debian is not going to be supported for much longer what  
> > > > > > would the next best OS be?
> > > > > If you read the posts, they're actively working on fixing the  
> > > > > packages.
> > > > > -- Pasi
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Pasi KÃrkkÃinen [mailto:pasik@xxxxxx]
> > > > > > Sent: 12 January 2010 14:20
> > > > > > To: Ian Tobin
> > > > > > Cc: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Debian Repository
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 04:16:31PM +0200, Pasi KÃrkkÃinen 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:44:32PM -0000, Ian Tobin wrote:
> > > > > > > >   Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   Im trying to install Netware and Windows 2008 server but im  
> > > > > > > > having
> > > > > > > >   problems with it reading the ISO.  Im guessing this is  
> > > > > > > > because im running
> > > > > > > >   version 3.2.1 debian packages so i want to upgrade to  
> > > > > > > > unstable and use the
> > > > > > > >   3.4 deb packages.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   My problem is that there isn't a kernel package so when  
> > > > > > > > booting you cant
> > > > > > > >   boot into xenified kernel mode.  If i try and use a kernel  
> > > > > > > > from the stable
> > > > > > > >   tree it messes things up.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   How is everyone else running the 3.4 packages? Ive read  
> > > > > > > > about pv_ops but i
> > > > > > > >   don't know how to install or use it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   Any ideas?
> > > > > > > I think the Debian Xen 3.4.2 debs are also missing qemu-dm  
> > > > > > > required
> > > > > > > for Xen HVM guests.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Debian developers are working on adding qemu-dm back to the  
> > > > > > > packages
> > > > > > > (it was removed because the Debian Xen maintainer didn't want  
> > > > > > > to maintain
> > > > > > > it, he thought managing/patching Qemu was too much work for  
> > > > > > > him).
> > > > > > > There was discussion about this on xen-devel and on debian pkg- 
> > > > > > > xen
> > > > > > > mailinglists:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-devel/2009-12/msg00716.html
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2009/12/15/support-to-be-removed-from-debian-squeeze-call-for-volunteers/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You could always compile your own Xen dom0 kernel, there are  
> > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > options for that:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenDom0Kernels
> > > > > > At the moment Linux 2.6.31.9 with OpenSUSE 2.6.31-10 Xen  
> > > > > > patches might
> > > > > > be a good option for you as a dom0 kernel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- Pasi
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