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Re: [Xen-devel] Xen PV domain regression with KASLR enabled (kernel 3.16)

On 26.08.2014 18:01, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:20:50AM +0200, Stefan Bader wrote:
>> On 21.08.2014 18:03, Kees Cook wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
>>> <konrad.wilk@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:53:03AM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Stefan Bader
>>>>> <stefan.bader@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> On 12.08.2014 19:28, Kees Cook wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Stefan Bader 
>>>>>>> <stefan.bader@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 08.08.2014 14:43, David Vrabel wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 08/08/14 12:20, Stefan Bader wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I have not yet figured out why this happens, but can 
>>>>>>>>>> confirm by
>>>>>>>>>> compiling with or without CONFIG_RANDOMIZE_BASE being set that 
>>>>>>>>>> without KASLR all
>>>>>>>>>> is ok, but with it enabled there are issues (actually a dom0 does 
>>>>>>>>>> not even boot
>>>>>>>>>> as a follow up error).
>>>>>>>>>> Details can be seen in [1] but basically this is always some portion 
>>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>>> vmalloc allocation failing after hitting a freshly allocated PTE 
>>>>>>>>>> space not being
>>>>>>>>>> PTE_NONE (usually from a module load triggered by systemd-udevd). In 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> non-dom0 case this repeats many times but ends in a guest that 
>>>>>>>>>> allows login. In
>>>>>>>>>> the dom0 case there is a more fatal error at some point causing a 
>>>>>>>>>> crash.
>>>>>>>>>> I have not tried this for a normal PV guest but for dom0 it also 
>>>>>>>>>> does not help
>>>>>>>>>> to add "nokaslr" to the kernel command-line.
>>>>>>>>> Maybe it's overlapping with regions of the virtual address space
>>>>>>>>> reserved for Xen?  What the the VA that fails?
>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>> Yeah, there is some code to avoid some regions of memory (like 
>>>>>>>> initrd). Maybe
>>>>>>>> missing p2m tables? I probably need to add debugging to find the 
>>>>>>>> failing VA (iow
>>>>>>>> not sure whether it might be somewhere in the stacktraces in the 
>>>>>>>> report).
>>>>>>>> The kernel-command line does not seem to be looked at. It should put 
>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>> into dmesg and that never shows up. Also today's random feature is 
>>>>>>>> other PV
>>>>>>>> guests crashing after a bit somewhere in the check_for_corruption 
>>>>>>>> area...
>>>>>>> Right now, the kaslr code just deals with initrd, cmdline, etc. If
>>>>>>> there are other reserved regions that aren't listed in the e820, it'll
>>>>>>> need to locate and skip them.
>>>>>>> -Kees
>>>>>> Making my little steps towards more understanding I figured out that it 
>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>> the code that does the relocation. Even with that completely disabled 
>>>>>> there were
>>>>>> the vmalloc issues. What causes it seems to be the default of the upper 
>>>>>> limit
>>>>>> and that this changes the split between kernel and modules to 1G+1G 
>>>>>> instead of
>>>>>> 512M+1.5G. That is the reason why nokaslr has no effect.
>>>>> Oh! That's very interesting. There must be some assumption in Xen
>>>>> about the kernel VM layout then?
>>>> No. I think most of the changes that look at PTE and PMDs are are all
>>>> in arch/x86/xen/mmu.c. I wonder if this is xen_cleanhighmap being
>>>> too aggressive
>>> (Sorry I had to cut our chat short at Kernel Summit!)
>>> I sounded like there was another region of memory that Xen was setting
>>> aside for page tables? But Stefan's investigation seems to show this
>>> isn't about layout at boot (since the kaslr=0 case means no relocation
>>> is done). Sounds more like the split between kernel and modules area,
>>> so I'm not sure how the memory area after the initrd would be part of
>>> this. What should next steps be, do you think?
>> Maybe layout, but not about placement of the kernel. Basically leaving KASLR
>> enabled but shrink the possible range back to the original kernel/module 
>> split
>> is fine as well.
>> I am bouncing between feeling close to understand to being confused. Konrad
>> suggested xen_cleanhighmap being overly aggressive. But maybe its the other 
>> way
>> round. The warning that occurs first indicates that PTE that was obtained for
>> some vmalloc mapping is not unused (0) as it is expected. So it feels rather
>> like some cleanup has *not* been done.
>> Let me think aloud a bit... What seems to cause this, is the change of the
>> kernel/module split from 512M:1.5G to 1G:1G (not exactly since there is 8M
>> vsyscalls and 2M hole at the end). Which in vaddr terms means:
>> Before:
>> ffffffff80000000 - ffffffff9fffffff (=512 MB)  kernel text mapping, from 
>> phys 0
>> ffffffffa0000000 - ffffffffff5fffff (=1526 MB) module mapping space
>> After:
>> ffffffff80000000 - ffffffffbfffffff (=1024 MB) kernel text mapping, from 
>> phys 0
>> ffffffffc0000000 - ffffffffff5fffff (=1014 MB) module mapping space
>> Now, *if* I got this right, this means the kernel starts on a vaddr that is
>> pointed at by:
>> PGD[510]->PUD[510]->PMD[0]->PTE[0]
>> In the old layout the module vaddr area would start in the same PUD area, but
>> with the change the kernel would cover PUD[510] and the module vaddr + 
>> vsyscalls
>> and the hole would cover PUD[511].
> I think there is a fixmap there too?

Right, they forgot that in Documentation/x86/x86_64/mm... but head_64.S has it.
So fixmap seems to be in the 2M space before the vsyscalls.
Btw, apparently I got the PGD index wrong. It is of course 511, not 510.


With the change being level2_kernel_pgt completely covering kernel only.

>> xen_cleanhighmap operates only on the kernel_level2_pgt which (speculating a 
>> bit
>> since I am not sure I understand enough details) I believe is the one PMD
>> pointed at by PGD[510]->PUD[510]. That could mean that before the change
> That sounds right.
> I don't know if you saw:
> 1248 #ifdef DEBUG                                                             
> 1249         /* This is superflous and is not neccessary, but you know what   
> 1250          * lets do it. The MODULES_VADDR -> MODULES_END should be clear 
> of      
> 1251          * anything at this stage. */                                    
> 1252         xen_cleanhighmap(MODULES_VADDR, roundup(MODULES_VADDR, PUD_SIZE) 
> - 1);  
> 1253 #endif                                                                   
> 1254 }                                    

I saw that but it would have no effect, even with running it. Because
xen_cleanhighmap clamps the pmds it walks over to the kernel_level2_pgt page.
Now MODULES_VADDR is mapped only from level2_fixmap_pgt.
Even with the old layout it might do less that anticipated as it would only
cover 512M and stop then. But I think it really does not matter.
> Which was me being a bit paranoid and figured it might help in 
> troubleshooting.
> If you disable that does it work?
>> xen_cleanhighmap may touch some (the initial 512M) of the module vaddr space 
>> but
>> not after the change. Maybe that also means it always should have covered 
>> more
>> but this would not be observed as long as modules would not claim more than
>> 512M? I still need to check the vaddr ranges for which xen_cleanhighmap is
>> actually called. The modules vaddr space would normally not be touched (only
>> with DEBUG set). I moved that to be unconditionally done but then this might 
>> be
>> of no use when it needs to cover a different PMD...
> What does the toolstack say in regards to allocating the memory? It is pretty
> verbose (domainloginfo..something) in printing out the vaddr of where
> it stashes the kernel, ramdisk, P2M, and the pagetables (which of course
> need to fit all within the 512MB, now 1GB area).

That is taken from starting a 2G PV domU with pvgrub (not pygrub):

Xen Minimal OS!
  start_info: 0xd90000(VA)
    nr_pages: 0x80000
  shared_inf: 0xdfe92000(MA)
     pt_base: 0xd93000(VA)
nr_pt_frames: 0xb
    mfn_list: 0x990000(VA)
   mod_start: 0x0(VA)
     mod_len: 0
       flags: 0x0
  stack:      0x94f860-0x96f860
MM: Init
      _text: 0x0(VA)
     _etext: 0x6000d(VA)
   _erodata: 0x78000(VA)
     _edata: 0x80b00(VA)
stack start: 0x94f860(VA)
       _end: 0x98fe68(VA)
  start_pfn: da1
    max_pfn: 80000
Mapping memory range 0x1000000 - 0x80000000
setting 0x0-0x78000 readonly

For a moment I was puzzled by the use of max_pfn_mapped in the generic
cleanup_highmap function of 64bit x86. It limits the cleanup to the start of the
mfn_list. And the max_pfn_mapped value changes soon after to reflect the total
amount of memory of the guest.
Making a copy showed it to be around 51M at the time of cleanup. That initially
looks suspect but Xen already replaced the page tables. The compile-time
variants would have 2M large pages on the whole level2_kernel_pgt range. But as
far as I can see, the Xen provided ones don't put in mappings for anything
beyond the provided boot stack which is clean in the xen_cleanhighmap.

So not much further... but then I think I know what I do next. Probably should
have done before. I'll replace the WARN_ON in vmalloc that triggers by a panic
and at least get a crash dump of that situation when it occurs. Then I can dig
in there with crash (really should have thought of that before)...

>> Really not sure here. But maybe a starter for others...
>> -Stefan
>>> -Kees
>>>>> -Kees
>>>>> --
>>>>> Kees Cook
>>>>> Chrome OS Security
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