Re: [Xen-devel] [v3,11/41] mips: reuse asm-generic/barrier.h

["Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 01:45:44PM -0800, Leonid Yegoshin wrote:
> On 01/14/2016 01:34 PM, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:46:43PM -0800, Leonid Yegoshin wrote:
> >>On 01/14/2016 12:15 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >>>On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:42:02AM -0800, Leonid Yegoshin wrote:
> >>>>An the only point - please use an appropriate SYNC_* barriers instead of
> >>>>heavy bold hammer. That stuff was design explicitly to support the
> >>>>requirements of Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> >>>That's madness. That document changes from version to version as to what
> >>>we _think_ the actual hardware does. It is _NOT_ a specification.
> >>>
> >>>You cannot design hardware from that. Its incomplete and fails to
> >>>specify a bunch of things. It not a mathematically sound definition of a
> >>>memory model.
> >>>
> >>>Please stop referring to that document for what a particular barrier
> >>>_should_ do.  Explain what MIPS does, so we can attempt to integrate
> >>>this knowledge with our knowledge of PPC/ARM/Alpha/x86/etc. and improve
> >>>upon our understanding of hardware and improve the Linux memory model.
> >>I am afraid I can't help you here. It is very complicated stuff and
> >>a model is actually doesn't fit your assumptions about CPUs well
> >>without some simplifications which are based on what you want to
> >>have.
> >>
> >>I say that SYNC_ACQUIRE/etc follows what you expect for smp_acquire
> >>etc (basing on that document). And at least two CPU models were
> >>tested with my patches (see it in LMO) for that last year and that
> >>instructions are implemented now in engineering kernel.
> >>
> >>If you have something else in mind, you can ask me. But I prefer to
> >>do not deviate too much from Documentation/memory-barriers.txt, for
> >>exam - if it asks to have memory barrier somewhere, then I assume
> >>the code should have it, and please - don't ask me a test which
> >>violates the current version of document recommendations.
> >>
> >>For a moment I don't see a significant changes in this document for
> >>MIPS Arch at least 1.5 year, and the only significant point is that
> >>MIPS CPU Arch doesn't have yet smp_read_barrier_depends() and
> >>smp_rmb() should be used instead.
> 
> >Is SYNC_ACQUIRE a memory-barrier instruction that orders prior loads
> >against later loads and stores?
> 
> Yes, it is in MD00087 (table 6.6 of document Ver 6.04) -
> https://imgtec.com/?do-download=4302

OK, it does look like it should work.  Of course, if you can rely
on straight address/data dependencies, that would be even better.

> >   If so, and if MIPS does not do
> >ordering based on address and data dependencies, I suggest making
> >read_barrier_depends() be a SYNC_ACQUIRE rather than SYNC_RMB.
> 
> I understood that, after I see the example of using it.
> Please consider to add that into Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> (it is not easy to find that this barrier is used for shared WRITE
> basing on shared pointer), it would be helpful.

Actually, the Linux kernel doesn't have an acquire barrier, just an
smp_load_acquire().  Or did someone sneak one in while I wasn't looking?  ;-)

                                                        Thanx, Paul


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