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[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index] Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 0/1] drm/xen-zcopy: Add Xen zero-copy helper DRM driver
On 04/24/2018 11:40 AM, Juergen Gross wrote: On 24/04/18 10:07, Oleksandr Andrushchenko wrote:On 04/24/2018 10:51 AM, Juergen Gross wrote:On 24/04/18 07:43, Oleksandr Andrushchenko wrote:On 04/24/2018 01:41 AM, Boris Ostrovsky wrote:On 04/23/2018 08:10 AM, Oleksandr Andrushchenko wrote:On 04/23/2018 02:52 PM, Wei Liu wrote:On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 02:25:20PM +0300, Oleksandr Andrushchenko wrote:the gntdev. I think this is generic enough that it could be implemented by a device not tied to Xen. AFAICT the hyper_dma guys also wanted something similar to this.You can't just wrap random userspace memory into a dma-buf. We've just had this discussion with kvm/qemu folks, who proposed just that, and after a bit of discussion they'll now try to have a driver which just wraps a memfd into a dma-buf.So, we have to decide either we introduce a new driver (say, under drivers/xen/xen-dma-buf) or extend the existing gntdev/balloon to support dma-buf use-cases. Can anybody from Xen community express their preference here?Oleksandr talked to me on IRC about this, he said a few IOCTLs need to be added to either existing drivers or a new driver. I went through this thread twice and skimmed through the relevant documents, but I couldn't see any obvious pros and cons for either approach. So I don't really have an opinion on this. But, assuming if implemented in existing drivers, those IOCTLs need to be added to different drivers, which means userspace program needs to write more code and get more handles, it would be slightly better to implement a new driver from that perspective.If gntdev/balloon extension is still considered: All the IOCTLs will be in gntdev driver (in current xen-zcopy terminology): - DRM_ICOTL_XEN_ZCOPY_DUMB_FROM_REFS - DRM_IOCTL_XEN_ZCOPY_DUMB_TO_REFS - DRM_IOCTL_XEN_ZCOPY_DUMB_WAIT_FREE Balloon driver extension, which is needed for contiguous/DMA buffers, will be to provide new *kernel API*, no UAPI is needed.So I am obviously a bit late to this thread, but why do you need to add new ioctls to gntdev and balloon? Doesn't this driver manage to do what you want without any extensions?1. I only (may) need to add IOCTLs to gntdev 2. balloon driver needs to be extended, so it can allocate contiguous (DMA) memory, not IOCTLs/UAPI here, all lives in the kernel. 3. The reason I need to extend gnttab with new IOCTLs is to provide new functionality to create a dma-buf from grant references and to produce grant references for a dma-buf. This is what I have as UAPI description for xen-zcopy driver: 1. DRM_IOCTL_XEN_ZCOPY_DUMB_FROM_REFS This will create a DRM dumb buffer from grant references provided by the frontend. The intended usage is: - Frontend - creates a dumb/display buffer and allocates memory - grants foreign access to the buffer pages - passes granted references to the backend - Backend - issues DRM_XEN_ZCOPY_DUMB_FROM_REFS ioctl to map granted references and create a dumb buffer - requests handle to fd conversion via DRM_IOCTL_PRIME_HANDLE_TO_FD - requests real HW driver/consumer to import the PRIME buffer with DRM_IOCTL_PRIME_FD_TO_HANDLE - uses handle returned by the real HW driver - at the end: o closes real HW driver's handle with DRM_IOCTL_GEM_CLOSE o closes zero-copy driver's handle with DRM_IOCTL_GEM_CLOSE o closes file descriptor of the exported buffer 2. DRM_IOCTL_XEN_ZCOPY_DUMB_TO_REFS This will grant references to a dumb/display buffer's memory provided by the backend. The intended usage is: - Frontend - requests backend to allocate dumb/display buffer and grant references to its pages - Backend - requests real HW driver to create a dumb with DRM_IOCTL_MODE_CREATE_DUMB - requests handle to fd conversion via DRM_IOCTL_PRIME_HANDLE_TO_FD - requests zero-copy driver to import the PRIME buffer with DRM_IOCTL_PRIME_FD_TO_HANDLE - issues DRM_XEN_ZCOPY_DUMB_TO_REFS ioctl to grant references to the buffer's memory. - passes grant references to the frontend - at the end: - closes zero-copy driver's handle with DRM_IOCTL_GEM_CLOSE - closes real HW driver's handle with DRM_IOCTL_GEM_CLOSE - closes file descriptor of the imported buffer 3. DRM_XEN_ZCOPY_DUMB_WAIT_FREE This will block until the dumb buffer with the wait handle provided be freed: this is needed for synchronization between frontend and backend in case frontend provides grant references of the buffer via DRM_XEN_ZCOPY_DUMB_FROM_REFS IOCTL and which must be released before backend replies with XENDISPL_OP_DBUF_DESTROY response. wait_handle must be the same value returned while calling DRM_XEN_ZCOPY_DUMB_FROM_REFS IOCTL. So, as you can see the above functionality is not covered by the existing UAPI of the gntdev driver. Now, if we change dumb -> dma-buf and remove DRM code (which is only a wrapper here on top of dma-buf) we get new driver for dma-buf for Xen. This is why I have 2 options here: either create a dedicated driver for this (e.g. re-work xen-zcopy to be DRM independent and put it under drivers/xen/xen-dma-buf, for example) or extend the existing gntdev driver with the above UAPI + make changes to the balloon driver to provide kernel API for DMA buffer allocations.Which user component would use the new ioctls?It is currently used by the display backend [1] and will probably be used by the hyper-dmabuf frontend/backend (Dongwon from Intel can provide more info on this).I'm asking because I'm not very fond of adding more linux specific functions to libgnttab which are not related to a specific Xen version, but to a kernel version.Hm, I was not thinking about this UAPI to be added to libgnttab. It seems it can be used directly w/o wrappers in user-spaceWould this program use libgnttab in parallel? In case of the display backend - yes, for shared rings, extracting grefs from displif protocol it uses gntdev via helper library [1] If yes how would the two usage paths be combined (same applies to the separate driver, btw)? The gntdev driver manages resources per file descriptor and libgnttab is hiding the file descriptor it is using for a connection. Ah, at the moment the UAPI was not used in parallel as there were 2 drivers for that: gntdev + xen-zcopy with different UAPIs. But now, if we extend gntdev with the new API then you are rigth: either libgnttab needs to be extended or that new part of the gntdev UAPI needs to be open-coded by the backend Or would the user program use only the new driver for communicating with the gntdev driver? In this case it might be an option to extend the gntdev driver to present a new device (e.g. "gntdmadev") for that purpose. No, it seems that libgnttab and this new driver's UAPI will be used in parallel So doing this in a separate driver seems to be the better option in this regard.Well, from maintenance POV it is easier for me to have it all in a separate driver as all dma-buf related functionality will reside at one place. This also means that no changes to existing drivers will be needed (if it is ok to have ballooning in/out code for DMA buffers (allocated with dma_alloc_xxx) not in the balloon driver) The new driver doesn't use gntdev's existing API, but extends it, e.g. by adding new ways to export/import grefs for a dma-buf and manage dma-buf's kernel ops. Thus, gntdev, which already provides UAPI, seems to be a good candidate for such an extension Juergen [1] https://github.com/xen-troops/libxenbe _______________________________________________ Xen-devel mailing list Xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.xenproject.org/mailman/listinfo/xen-devel
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