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Re: Detecting whether dom0 is in a VM
On 06.07.2023 17:35, zithro wrote:
> On 06 Jul 2023 09:02, Jan Beulich wrote:
>> On 05.07.2023 18:20, zithro wrote:
>>> So I'm wondering, isn't that path enough for correct detection ?
>>> I mean, if "/sys/class/dmi/id/sys_vendor" reports Xen (or KVM, or any
>>> other known hypervisor), it's nested, otherwise it's on hardware ?
>>>
>>> Is that really mandatory to use CPUID leaves ?
>>
>> Let me ask the other way around: In user mode code under a non-nested
>> vs nested Xen, what would you be able to derive from CPUID? The
>> "hypervisor" bit is going to be set in both cases. (All assuming you
>> run on new enough hardware+Xen such that CPUID would be intercepted
>> even for PV.)
>
> I'm a bit clueless about CPUID stuff, but if I understand correctly,
> you're essentially saying that using CPUID may not be the perfect way ?
> Also, I don't get why the cpuid command returns two different values,
> depending on the -k switch :
> # cpuid -l 0x40000000
> hypervisor_id (0x40000000) = "\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"
> # cpuid -k -l 0x40000000
> hypervisor_id (0x40000000) = "XenVMMXenVMM"
I'm afraid I can't comment on this without knowing what tool you're
taking about. Neither of the two systems I checked have one of this
name.
>> Yet relying on DMI is fragile, too: Along the lines of
>> https://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2022-01/msg00604.html
>> basically any value in there could be "inherited" from the host (i.e.
>> from the layer below, to be precise).
>
> So using "/sys/class/dmi/id/sys_vendor", or simply doing "dmesg | grep
> DMI:" is also not perfect, as values can be inherited/spoofed by
> underneath hypervisor ?
That's my understanding, yes.
>> The only way to be reasonably
>> certain is to ask Xen about its view. The raw or host featuresets
>> should give you this information, in the "mirror" of said respective
>> CPUID leave's "hypervisor" bit.
>
> As said above, I'm clueless, can you expand please ?
Xen's public interface offers access to the featuresets known / found /
used by the hypervisor. See XEN_SYSCTL_get_cpu_featureset, accessible
via xc_get_cpu_featureset().
Are any of these exposed in dom0 via sysctl, or hypfs? SYSCTLs are unfortunately not stable interfaces, correct? So it wouldn't be practical for systemd to use them.
-George
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