[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index] Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: change to 6 months release cycle
On 10/05/2015 11:45 AM, Ian Campbell wrote: On Fri, 2015-10-02 at 19:21 +0100, Andrew Cooper wrote:On 02/10/15 18:52, Juergen Gross wrote:On 10/02/2015 07:43 PM, Wei Liu wrote:Hi all As I understand it in the past there were discussions on release every 6 months. I would like to revisit this topic. # Rationale for a shorter release cycle The current 9 months cadence is too long. That create at least two problems for us. The first problem is that Xen delivers features much slower than other projects. Linux kernel releases every 3 months. QEMU releases every 4 months. They deliver new features at a much higher frequency. The second problem is that the opportunity cost for vendors to miss a release is very high. When combined with the freeze exception scheme, tension quickly builds up around cut-off point, which creates frictions and frustrations for both contributors and maintainers. This is detrimental to the project in the long run. Having a shorter release cycle plus some other measures seem to make sense. The main objection from previous discussion seems to be that "shorter release cycle creates burdens for downstream projects". I couldn't quite get the idea, but I think we can figure out a way to sort that out once we know what exactly the burdens are. A side note is that if we really go down this route we need to stick with it for a few releases to let people get used to it. Any change to the release process is going to cause some issues. # Proposed release cycle Aim for 6 months release cycle -- 4 months development period, 2 months hardening period. Make two releases per year. Fixed hard cut-off date, no more freeze exception. Arrange RCs immediately after cut-off. Take into account holiday seasons in US, Europe and China, the two cut-off dates are the Fridays in which that last day of March and September are in. Targeted release date is two months after cut-off date. Still, we pick a Friday using the same rule. We can also release a bit earlier if everything goes well. If we somehow fail to release on time, we eat into next development cycle. The next cut-off date will still be fixed. With the proposed scheme, the dates will be: - 4.7 cut-off date: April 1, 2016 - 4.7 release date: June 1, 2016 - 4.8 cut-off date: September 30, 2016 - 4.8 release date: December 2, 2016 - 4.9 cut-off date: March 31, 2017 - 4.9 release date: June 2, 2017 and it goes on. # Feasibility analysis Xen 4.6 is almost out of the door. I think it's convenient to use it as one data point about how we can achieve the proposed plan. Xen 4.6 release time line broken down: - developemnt: 6 months - consideration for freeze exception: 1 week - applying patches with free exception: 1 week - fix major bugs: 2 weeks - RCs: every 1 to 2 weeks We aimed for a 9 months release cycle. That means we have 3 months for stabilisation and RCs. Note that the 2 weeks used to fix bugs were mostly for bugs introduced during free exception. The riddance of freeze exception saves us at least the first 2 weeks. And because there are less changes due to shorter development cycle and no freeze exception, there are probably less bugs, which means we can potentially save another week or two. So the 6 months time line is realistic to achieve.Expecting less bugs due to a shorter development cycle is strange. I'd expect more bugs as large features have less time to be stabilized. Or are you expecting only small features in the future? I don't hope so.The expectation is that with a shorter release cycle, there will be less pressure to push large series in at the last minute, as deferring them to the next release comes with a substantially smaller penalty. As a result, large series will (hopefully) be better baked when they do get accepted.Right, essentially this is reducing average the latency between acceptance of a feature and the release which contains it, hopefully relieving some of the pressure to get something in right away. Obviously anything which would have gone in during the final 3 months of a 9 month release cycle will now be in the first 3 months of the next one, bu t there is absolutely no implication on the size of an acceptable feature. Bad example. Anything which would have gone in 3 months before the end of the 9 month cycle will now go in just at the end of the 6 month cycle. The average time a feature is tested before release is about half the release cycle. This will drop from 4.5 months to 3 months (assuming a constant feature rate during a release cycle). I'm not against a shorter cycle, I just wanted to point out a (in my eyes) wrong expectation regarding number of bugs due to the changed release cycle. Juergen _______________________________________________ Xen-devel mailing list Xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.xen.org/xen-devel
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