Re: [Xen-devel] Questions about the new usb hotplug code in libxl and about adding hotplug (with qmp) usbredir tcp channels

[Fabio Fantoni <fabio.fantoni@xxxxxxx>]

Il 27/04/2016 20:03, Martin Cerveny ha scritto:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, Fabio Fantoni wrote:
>
> > Il 27/04/2016 13:26, George Dunlap ha scritto:
> > > On 27/04/16 12:02, Fabio Fantoni wrote:
> > > > Hi, I took a look at the new pvusb hotplug code in libxl to try to add
> > > > also hotplug (with qmp) usbredir tcp channels.
> > > > Adding usbredir tcp channels at domU start requires for example adding
> > > > qemu parameters like these: "-chardev
> > > > socket,id=charredir4,host=192.168.1.35,port=40000 -device
> > > > usb-redir,chardev=charredir4,id=redir4".
> > > > It is possible to hotplug it with qmp using "chardev-add" and
> > > > "device_add" commands.
> > > > Looking at old George Dunlap's patches I tested years ago
> > > > (http://xenbits.xen.org/gitweb/?p=people/gdunlap/xen.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7a77843e3fcf070c72115be8ed349a3bfe34e60) 
> > > >
> > > > I can understand what they do and I can add similar qmp functions for
> > > > usbredir tcp too.
> > > > But now I see that bigger and different usb hotplug code was added, I
> > > > looked at these patches:
> > > > http://xenbits.xen.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf7628f087b212052a0e9f024044b2790c33f820 
> > > >
> > > > http://xenbits.xen.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=commitdiff;h=043910384cb9ea2c781a7dceac238e110a559c10 
> > > >
> > > > and the full current code in xen's staging branch but I didn't find 
> > > > qmp
> > > > commands for the qemu usb passthrough, I suppose it is missing or
> > > > incomplete (though strange), am I wrong?
> > > > If that is correct, pvusb drivers are needed for both host and domU to
> > > > have usb passthrough working but in new windows pv drivers, the pvusb
> > > > one is missing, so without the "qemu emulated" usb passthrough it
> > > > doesn't work at all in similar cases, right?
> > > That's right -- the PVUSB code *only* does PVUSB passthrough. The
> > > interface was designed, however, to be able to add emulated USB on top.
> > >
> > > > How do you think I should proceed to implement hotplug usbredir tcp
> > > > channels in libxl?
> > > So I'm not familiar with usbredir tcp channels.  I'm guessing that it
> > > allows you to transmit the USB commands "over the wire", so that you
> > > could connect (say) a keyboard or printer on your local computer to the
> > > qemu process running in a remote dom0, and have the USB device 
> > > presented
> > > as an emulated device to the guest?
> > Yes.
> > In qemu upstream there are 2 methods of usbredir use, one is 
> > "dynamic" using spice. I made a quick and easy implementation in 
> > libxl some time ago at domU's create:
> > http://xenbits.xen.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=commitdiff;h=f5414ee57a17500e650ea11766474b11da940da2 
> >
> > this also requires an emulated usb<1|2|3> controller, which I added 
> > with this:
> > http://xenbits.xen.org/gitweb/?p=xen.git;a=commitdiff;h=bba6747189fb9c4cb51f3c99977d224615106c59 
> >
> > It works fine with both windows and linux domUs and I already use it 
> > in production but it works ONLY using spice.
>
>
> Not right. The usbredir is _separated_ protocol from spice 
> (http://www.spice-space.org/page/UsbRedir).
I know, I spoked about what is actually implemented in libxl and below 
in my old mail there was already details about the other method.
What I asked are advices on how is good implement the other method 
(upstream qemu's usbredir tcp channels) in libxl (about the other code 
in addition to the qmp commands functions itself that I'm writing now in 
libxl_qmp.c), 2 days ago I only did some fast "manual external" tests 
with Sid and W7 domUs to be sure is it working hotplug (with qmp) before 
start to implement it in libxl.
Sorry for my bad english if it is not understandable what I write.
> I am using this protocol successfully with raspberry-pi "remote usb 
> server":
> - local usb <libusb.h> enumerator and filter
> - remote qmp sender to qemu (<json/json.h>) (chardev-add/device_add) to
>   program "tcp listen" port on qemu
>   eg. "remotely" do full automation/filtering (hotplug) - and usbredir 
> server (<usbredirhost.h>) connected to prepared port qemu
> (this is part of my VDI solution 
> https://gridforums.nvidia.com/default/topic/752/grid-vgpu-benchmarks/vdi-click-to-photon-with-raspberry-pi/)
> I will be very pleased if paravirtualized-usb channel will be created
> with usb redir protocol in mind. There is problems in qemu "emulation" 
> speed - when usb is remotely attached qemu takes about 20% cpu 
> (probably problem of active "pooling" usb devices DomU/Dom0) without 
> any traffic on tcp channel.
Have you tried to use an usb3 emulated controller? with the usb3 if I 
remember good this problem is mitigate.
If you add usb controller at domU's create with usb=1 (in domU's xl cfg) 
it add the qemu default than with the old chipset (the only currently 
used by xen) is usb1 controller, with the q35 (not supported by xen) the 
default is usb2 controller instead. Can you use usbversion=3 (added in 
xen 4.4) for add usb3 controller at domU's xl create or add nec-usb-xhci 
device (hotplug with "manual" qmp command).
> Thanks, Martin Cerveny
>
>
> > I want to add the other method to make passthrough of client usb 
> > devices possible without spice too.
> > Adding it at domU's create is quick and easy, I could do something 
> > like the first patch posted above which use the usb controller 
> > provided by the other patch but unfortunately the addition of 
> > usbredir tcp channels is not "dynamic" as with spice, but it needs a 
> > specific target (ip and port) running usbredirserver, so usbredir tcp 
> > will be nearly always used "hotplug" with the domU running.
> > Hotplug can be done with qmp using "chardev-add" and "device_add" 
> > commands, and similar commands for remove. Keeping track of current 
> > usbredir channels can be done with the xenstore, like pvusb does, I 
> > suppose.
> > I think that making it hotplug should be done with care and if 
> > possible without making it incompatible with others usb passthrough 
> > methods.
> > So I wonder how it should be done in practice.
> >
> > > If so, then:
> > > 1. It may be possible using Juergen's qusb work to act as a usbredir 
> > > tcp
> > > channel <-> pvusb bridge
> > > 2. But having the devices presented to Windows guests without 
> > > pvusbfront
> > > drivers would depend on having emulated USB working first.
> > Here I don't understand exactly what you mean, usbredir tcp channels 
> > are created by upstream qemu and use an emulated usb controller that 
> > should be already present or added before. I don't know how to use a 
> > pvusb instead and I suppose it will require specific changes to be 
> > done in qemu.
> > > I'm working up a draft implementation of the emulated USB just so I can
> > > make sure the current interface is suitable to extend it before it
> > > becomes public (and thus needs to be supported).
> > The current pvusb code added recently is more bigger/complex and I 
> > have difficulties to understand it by following all the relevant code 
> > paths. I'm trying to understand if a usbredir tcp channels hotplug 
> > implementation can be based on it. I suppose it will be possible 
> > after adding the full emulated usb passthrough case.
> > Any advice is appreciated.
> >
> > > I'm not sure how the usbredir tcp channel interacts with emulated
> > > controllers; that's what will determine what the libxl interface will
> > > look like.
> > >
> > > Peace,
> > >   -George
> >
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