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Re: [Xen-devel] HVMLite / PVHv2 - using x86 EFI boot entry

Hello Luis,

On 14/04/16 21:56, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 03:56:53PM -0400, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 08:40:48PM +0200, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 09:01:32PM -0400, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 12:23:17AM +0200, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
PV support from the kernel (not the hypervisor) and require hardware
virtualization 5 years from now on the Linux kernel, it doesn't seem
to me far fetched to at the very least consider using an EFI entry
instead, specially since all it does is set boot params and we can
make re-use this for HVMLite too.

But to make that work you have to emulate EFI firmware in the
hypervisor. Is that work you are signing up for?

I'll do what is needed, as I have done before. If EFI is on the long
term roadmap for ARM perhaps there are a few birds to knock with one
stone here. If there is also interest to support other OSes through
EFI standard means this also should help make that easier.

We already have a working solution for EFI on ARM which does not require to emulate the firmware in the hypervisor.

On ARM, the EFI stub is communicating with the kernel using device-tree [1]. Once the EFI stub has ended, the native path (i.e non-UEFI) will be executed normally and it won't be possible to use BootServices anymore.

For the guest, we provide a full support of EFI using OVMF. For DOM0, Xen will craft the UEFI system table and the UEFI memory map. The locations of those tables will be passed to DOM0 using a tiny device-tree [1] and the kernel will boot using the native path. The runtime services for DOM0 will be provided via hypercall.

The DOM0 approach has been discussed for a long time (see [3]) and I believe this is better than emulating UEFI firmware in Xen. We want to keep Xen on ARM tiny. Adding any sort of emulation will increase the attack surface and require more maintenance from our side.


[1] Documentation/arm/uefi.txt in Linux.

[2] http://xenbits.xen.org/docs/unstable-staging/misc/arm/device-tree/guest.txt

[3] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/xen/devel/397349

Julien Grall

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