Re: [Xen-users] Xen without the X

["Shane D. Johnson" <SDJ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> Shane D. Johnson wrote:
> > Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> > > Shane D. Johnson wrote:
> > > > Nico,
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to build a minimal server with Apache and Qmail(Most 
> > > > likely) in separate domains with only the programs and services 
> > > > necessary to run these programs on each domain.  I am doing this to 
> > > > keep the disk space small (for performance and backup), the 
> > > > performance high , and the security threats down (only have running 
> > > > what you need).
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Shane
> > > >
> > > > Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> > > > > Shane D. Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > >    I need some help please.
> > > > > >    I want to compile xen-3.1.0 for use on a server that doesn't 
> > > > > > have X11 or Xorg installed.  I would like to control the servers 
> > > > > > through SSH and Telnet (unless you have a suggestion for 
> > > > > > something better (more Secure)).  I wouldn't be using VNC or 
> > > > > > Console(Unless I have to).  I have made the kernels and now only 
> > > > > > need the tools to control xen.
> > > > > >    I have searched the internet and asked for help before(And 
> > > > > > seen others ask) but can't seem to find the Documentation or help 
> > > > > > I need to only compile the needed components.  If anyone could 
> > > > > > point me in the right direction I would appreciate it.    If I 
> > > > > > need to take this to a different list please let me know.
> > > > > > Thank you
> > > > > > Shane
> > > > > Why do you want to do this? Unweaving the X requirements for the 
> > > > > VNC or SDL graphical console support sounds like a great deal of 
> > > > > pain.
> > > Ahh. Not an unusual approach, but resolving the compilation 
> > > dependencies sounds quite painful.
> > > Do not use telnet. Spending all that work on security, then using 
> > > telnet, is like picking a 37-character mixed case password and then 
> > > taping it to your monitor because you can't remember it: it rather 
> > > defeats the purpose.
> > > It may be possible to compile, then rip out the X installation over 
> > > the objections of the Xen dependencies. Have you tried that?
> > Nico,
> >    Not sure if this is what you mean or not but here is what I have 
> > tried..... I did the make world (Which failed of course.) I then did 
> > a make linux-2.6-xen0-config CONFIGMETHOD=menuconfig etc. and got the 
> > kernel to build successfully.  I then did cd into each directory and 
> > down as far as I could to make each tool I wanted individually and 
> > the make would always fail with the X dependency problems.  I am 
> > going to try it again tonight to see if I can get it work work this 
> > way.  Is there a way to turn off the building of programs I don't 
> > want ?  (ex. --without-console --without-vnc)
> Dude, you're doing package management and dependency management 
> *MANUALLY*? For cripes sake, why not use a reasonable package 
> management system like apt or RPM?
> I've not tried to turn off the various console access utilities: you'd 
> have to read the autoconf and Makefile options to see what is available.
Nico,
   I appreciate your help on this, I have gone through both the files 
mentioned and can't find a way to do it without X.  I will keep digging 
though.  Can anyone tell me why I get a build fail for xenctrl on some 
of the binaries?
   As far as the package management,  I am doing it manually so I can 
see everything that goes into the system. I am using this as a learning 
experience.
Shane


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