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Re: [Publicity] Blog post: OSSTest Standalone Mode Step by Step

On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 03:37:50PM +0100, George Dunlap wrote:
> On 26/09/13 13:53, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> >On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:50:02AM +0100, George Dunlap wrote:
> >>On 25/09/13 21:58, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> >>>On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 02:17:03PM +0100, Wei Liu wrote:
> >>>>On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:34:04PM +0100, Lars Kurth wrote:
> >>>>>Wei,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>thanks. I will leave it to others to comment. Would you be willing to put
> >>>>>together a wiki page based on the post and post to xen-devel? I had a
> >>>>Yes, sure.
> >>>>
> >>>>>conversation with IanC at LinuxCon about the lack of people using OSS 
> >>>>>Test.
> >>>>>I believe the two main reasons for the lack of pick-up so far are:
> >>>>>a) It is unclear how to build OSS Test into the dev routine (this post +
> >>>>>wiki should address this)
> >>>>I think it can address part of the problem, but not all of it. There're
> >>>>still lots of details I'm not able to go into in a single post.
> >>>>
> >>>>The sole purpose of this post is to help people bootstrap using OSSTest.
> >>>>Once they're en route they're pretty much on their own and everything
> >>>>boils down to "read the source code".
> >>>It does detract from the Xen RT which long-term ought to be used (IMHO).
> >>>
> >>>As it has a ton of features that can help in making Xen and Linux
> >>>work fantasticly well  - and catch not only bootup/bug regressions
> >>>but also performance regressions.
> >>With due respect to Alex and the XenRT team for the work they've
> >>done, XenRT is not actually a public project yet.  Tossing a tarball
> >>over the wall is not making an open project.  And I haven't looked
> >>at it, but I suspect it's not in a shape ready to just be picked up
> >>and used by the average developer just yet.
> >>
> >>The thinking here was:
> >>* It may be 6 months to a yeas before XenRT is ready to replace osstest
> >>* There is a small chance that the XenRT thing may not actually come about
> >I hope not.
> >>* Work done and skills gained writing tests for osstest wouldn't be
> >>wasted -- having implemented tests in osstest should make it easier
> >>for people to implement the same test (or different tests) in XenRT.
> >>
> >>So we were planning on continuing to develop osstest until XenRT was
> >>ready to take over, as the risk of doing so is low and the benefits
> >>are solid.
> >>
> >>It occurs to me that for the osstest->XenRT transition, a first step
> >>would be to get XenRT running on the xenproject.org testbed. That
> >>will help shake out all the random assumptions about the environment
> >>that may have ended up baked into the code.  We should probably try
> >>to touch base with the XenRT team about that, after IanJ comes back
> >>from holiday.
> >I completly get the short term - we need osstest, long term lets look
> >at Xen RT. Perhaps the blog can mention Xen RT as the more longterm
> >transition and enumerate some of the things it does?
> Well the purpose of the blog is a how-to of how to get osstest up
> and running; having a big section on XenRT would be out of place.
> Also, I doubt Wei has any personal experience with XenRT, so he's
> not exactly in a position to extol its benefits.  That would be
> better done by someone on the XenRT team, and in a different blog.
> But we should probably at least mention it, and how osstest relates
> to it.  How about something like this:
> "Some readers may recall the recent announcement of open-sourcing
> XenRT, and wondering about the relationship between osstest and
> XenRT.  Long-term, we expect that XenRT will mature as an open
> development project and eventually displace osstest.  But that is
> not likely to happen for another six months to a year.  Developing
> osstest has benefits for the current development, and we hope that
> getting people involved in writing test cases for osstest will be of
> service in helping people write test cases for XenRT when it becomes
> available.  So we have decided to continue to develop osstest until
> XenRT is ready to replace it."

Thank you! +1
>  -George

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